Interesting match-up of Obama or Hillary versus McCain

[Kyle Curtis]

These two maps make Hillary's argument that she is the "strongest" to beat McCain questionable.  Look at how many more states are in play if Obama is the candidate.  Heck, even Texas (???) is 'slightly' Republican, with McCain having a one-point advantage:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May05.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May05.html

[Brent Wolters]

Wait a minute.  Doesn't America want change?   Then why are the states pretty much all lined up the same from 4 and 8 years ago?

 

Seriously, the electoral map game is very amusing.  I really don't expect the republicans to win Michigan and Kerry got his but kicked in Florida by 5% in '04, so the odds of that one flipping are slim, especially without a strong black turnout.

 

If Hillary is the nominee, McCain wins Florida, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Missouri plus Colorado and New Mexico.  And he puts Washington and Oregon in play. ~ Game Over.

 

With the SC upholding the voter ID law, Indiana will definitely go to the GOP.

 

If Obama is the nominee, McCain will pick up Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida ~ Game Over.

 

About the only thing that could help the dem's at this point is if McCain died.  Or was caught sleeping with someone other than his wife, Cindy.

 

 

 

  

Subject: [Jsmog] Interesting match-up of Obama or Hillary versus McCain

These two maps make Hillary's argument that she is the "strongest" to beat McCain questionable.  Look at how many more states are in play if Obama is the candidate.  Heck, even Texas (???) is 'slightly' Republican, with McCain having a one-point advantage:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May05.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May05.html

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[Kyle Curtis]

Whats funny is that both Dem candidates beat McCain by ten points in national polls.  Keep dreaming, Brent.

And I like how you admit that Indiana's law disenfranchises voters, thus the Roberts Court voted to deny the right to vote.  What is that you're saying, Hip Hip Hooray?

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[Kyle Curtis]

And oh yeah, how about that Republican congressional district in Louisiana that went for Shrub by 60% voting ina Democratic representative for the first time in three decades?

I'm osrry, the facts are quite clear: this is a tough year to be a Republican, my friend.

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[Brent Wolters]

Whats funny is that both Dem candidates beat McCain by ten points in national polls.  Keep dreaming, Brent.   Umm is that why McCain wins 30+ states?  Your polls are pretty worthless. 

And I like how you admit that Indiana's law disenfranchises voters, thus the Roberts Court voted to deny the right to vote.  What is that you're saying, Hip Hip Hooray? 

 

Indiana has had a real problem for years with people crossing over from Cincinnati or Chicago to vote in their elections.  The voter ID law won't totally solve the problem, but it will greatly help in curbing this illegal activity.  

 

FWIW, the majority 6-3 opinion was written by that staunch conservative of the court John Paul Stevens.  

[Kyle Curtis]

Indiana has had a real problem for years with people crossing over from Cincinnati or Chicago to vote in their elections.  The voter ID law won't totally solve the problem, but it will greatly help in curbing this illegal activity.

Um... utter horseshit.  There has not been one reported case of voter ID fraud.  This is a solution in search of a problem.  But, whatever it takes to keep old people and poor people from voting.  The only groups that matter are rich people, you've made that quite clear.

AS for 30+ states, why are Republicans so concerned about states where nobody lives?  I guess the priorities of sagebrush are truly what matters in this election....

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[Brent Wolters]

Politics is local.

 

The GOP guy was arrogant, in trouble with the IRS and had ties to the wildly popular David Duke.  And still almost won.  The dem who did win ran as a conservative, gun loving, religion clinging Hillary-Obama hater.  (Do you remember seeing him campaign with either candidate?  Nope.)  Now that he has won we'll find out just how conservative he really is.

 

As angry as many people in LA are at FEMA, McCain totaly dominates that state in the polls? 

[Kyle Curtis]

Funny how the GOP ran ads tying Pelosi and Obama to this supposed 'Obama-hater', yet more Dems turned out to vote anyway.

I find it interesting that all of these districts that have been in the GOP for decades are falling to the Dems in election after election, yet you chalk it up to the local GOP running poor candidates.  That's never stopped them from winning in the past....?

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[Brent Wolters]

THOSE PESKY Granite State gun owners have damaged the spin machine of the Violence Policy Center, an anti-gun group in Washington, D.C.

In a recent news release, the credibility-challenged VPC proclaimed, "Pro-Gun States Lead the Nation in Per Capita Firearm Death Rates." The news release goes on to say, "The analysis (of data from the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) reveals that the five states with the highest per capita gun death rates were Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee and Alabama. Each of these states had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.32 per 100,000. By contrast, states with strong gun laws and low rates of gun ownership had far lower rates of firearm-related death. Ranking last in the nation for gun death was Hawaii, followed by Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New Jersey and New York."

The VPC dares not look at the bottom seven states instead of the arbitrary five. That is because, lo and behold, New Hampshire ranks seventh from the bottom in per capita gun deaths. New Hampshire is undeniably a strong pro-gun state that greatly respects the individual right to keep and bear arms.

New Hampshire is beaten only by sixth-place Connecticut, the home of "Gun Valley," a major area of gun making in the United States. For that matter, all of New England is in the bottom 12. Low rates of gun deaths in New England are more attributable to the culture and character of the region than to the availability of firearms. By contrast, the West is still somewhat wild and the South has not fully lost its rebel yell.

The VPC also has to purposely limit its selectively picked data to states rather than cities. This is because the one jurisdiction with the strictest gun control in the entire nation is the District of Columbia. In D.C., all handguns are banned, long arms must be stored disassembled, locked and unloaded, and law-abiding citizens have no right to carry guns. According to the same 2005 CDC data relied upon by the VPC, D.C. has the highest rate of shooting deaths of any place in the United States! The district has well over double the national average.

The VPC also conveniently fails to mention that the total number of shooting deaths in the entire United States is ever so slightly over one hundredth of 1 percent -- .0103 percent to be exact, and that is with approximately 250 million guns in the country. Additionally, those are all firearm deaths, including police shootings, justifiable self defense and suicide.

The reason for the VPC's new propaganda push is obvious, and the group unknowingly reveals it in the news release. The group is scared "to death" of the very real possibility of a Supreme Court victory in June for the Second Amendment in the celebrated Heller case.

Ironically, the Heller case is a challenge to the very D.C. anti-gun law ignored by the VPC. VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand states, "Blind allegiance to the Second Amendment comes at a deadly price. Many residents in pro-gun states cheer the possibility of a June Supreme Court ruling that could place gun controls across the nation at risk, never realizing that those states stand as proof of the need for such laws."

Well, unfortunately for the VPC agenda, the District of Columbia torpedoes its glorification of anti-gun laws; and New Hampshire stands as granite counter-proof that there is no need for such laws.

Evan F. Nappen is the corporate counsel and a director of Pro-Gun New Hampshire, Inc., www.PGNH.org. He practices law in Concord.

Opinions expressed in this weekly column aren't necessarily those of the New Hampshire Union Leader.

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[Kyle Curtis]

The first victims of Indiana's gaytarded ID law:  Catholic nuns who "sneaked over" from Chicago to cast a vote in Indiana's primary.  Yeah, whatever.

Interesting excerpt:

The Republican-led effort was designed to combat ballot fraud, said supporters, who also have acknowledged that no case involving someone impersonating a voter at the polls has ever been prosecuted in Indiana.

Just as I said, a solution in search of a problem, even admitted by Republican officials.

Ladies and gentlemen, conservative justice in the flesh:  legally-sanctioned voter disenfranchisement.  I find it highly ironic that a heavily Catholic Supreme Court passed a law that violates Catholics' right to vote.  What this demonstrates is that you can serve on the highest court in the land and still have your head stuck up your derrière, choking off oxygen...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080507/ap_on_el_ge/indiana_primary_photo_id_7

Indiana nuns lacking ID denied at poll by fellow sister

By DEBORAH HASTINGS, AP National Writer Tue May 6, 9:21 PM ET

About 12 Indiana nuns were turned away Tuesday from a polling place by a fellow sister because they didn't have state or federal identification bearing a photograph.

Sister Julie McGuire said she was forced to turn away her fellow members of Saint Mary's Convent in South Bend, across the street from the University of Notre Dame, because they had been told earlier that they would need such an ID to vote.

The nuns, all in their 80s or 90s, didn't get one but came to the precinct anyway.

"One came down this morning, and she was 98, and she said, 'I don't want to go do that,'" Sister McGuire said. Some showed up with outdated passports. None of them drives.

The convent will make "a very concerted effort" to get proper identification for the nuns in time for the general election. "We're going to take from now until November to get them out and get this done.

"You can't do this like school kids on a bus," she said. "I wish we could."

Late Tuesday, Secretary of State Todd Rokita was unapologetic.

"Indiana's Voter ID Law applies to everyone. From all accounts that we've heard, the sisters were aware of the photo ID requirements and chose not to follow them," he said in a statement released by his office.

Elsewhere across the pivotal state, voting appeared to run smoothly, despite the fears of some elections experts that the Supreme Court's recent refusal to strike down Indiana's controversial photo identification law could cause confusion at the polls.

Indiana's photo ID law is the strictest in the country. The Republican-led effort was designed to combat ballot fraud, said supporters, who also have acknowledged that no case involving someone impersonating a voter at the polls has ever been prosecuted in Indiana.

The state's American Civil Liberties Union sued, calling the law a poll tax that disproportionately affected minorities and elderly voters, those most likely to lack such identification. On April 28, the Supreme Court ruled 6 to 3 that the law did not violate the Constitution.

In a primary expected to draw record numbers, a voter hot line set up by the secretary of state's office mostly received calls concerning precinct locations, spokeswoman Bethany Derringer said.

But a group of voting rights advocates that established a separate hot line reported receiving several calls from would-be voters who were turned away at precincts because they lacked state or federal identification bearing a photograph.

One newly married woman said she was told she couldn't vote because her driver's license name didn't match the one on her voter registration record, said Myrna Perez of the Brennan Center Justice at New York University's law school, coordinator of the 1-866-OUR-VOTE hot line. Another woman said she was turned away from casting her first-ever ballot because she had only a college-issued ID card and an out-of-state driver's license, Perez said.

"These laws are confusing. People don't know how they're supposed to be applied," she said.

According to the New Voters Project, sponsored by Student Public Interest Groups, about a dozen college students at Notre Dame, Butler University and Indiana University said they were told at the polls they didn't have the right form of identification.

Angela Hiss, a 19-year-old sophomore at Notre Dame, presented her Notre Dame ID card and her Illinois driver's license. Poll workers did not inform her that she could have cast a provisional ballot, she told project staff monitoring her polling place.

In some counties, polling locations ran short on ballots as voters flocked to Indiana's first meaningful presidential primary in 40 years. Indiana's largest, Marion County, had to print several thousand extra Democratic ballots because of increased demand in traditionally Republican voting areas, said Angie Nussmeyer, spokeswoman for the clerk's office.

"Primaries are very quiet, and I think the turnout we might see today probably rivals some of our general elections," she said.

In southern Jackson County, at least one precinct ran short of ballots and an electronic backup system failed. Poll workers made copies of ballots and planned to hand-count them, which was expected to delay results there.

Several precincts in northwestern Porter County, where Barack Obama was expected to do well, also ran out of Democratic ballots, and a judge ordered polls to stay open an additional hour.

Nancy Zondor of Chesterton said she went to vote at her Porter County polling site about 4 p.m. only to be told she would have to wait or come back for a Democratic ballot. She said she had to leave without voting to drive to her son's track meet.

"I was aggravated, for sure, it's a big election," said Zondor, who planned to vote for Obama. "I just always vote in every election and want to."

Since the Supreme Court decision last month, advocacy groups have fretted that people showing up to vote in Tuesday's primary would not understand their rights, which include being able to cast a provisional ballot and obtain a proper ID within 10 days so that ballot would be counted later.

Sean Greene, of the nonpartisan electionline.org, was monitoring precincts in the Lafayette area of Tippecanoe County. "It's going pretty well," he said, despite long lines. "Most of the people I've seen today are prepared and used to this. They have their IDs out already."

That thought was echoed in South Bend, where Elizabeth Bridges, 63, said half of the people working in her voting precinct were family members, but still she showed her ID.

"I think the law is a good thing because a lot of people are crooked," she said.

[Brent Wolters]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/06/obama-camp-credits-operation-chaos-for-clinton-lead-in-indiana/

Obama lives 20 miles from Indiana, yet blames Rush Limbaugh for his loss to Hillary. 

 

The more he campaigns the less presidential he appears.

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[Kyle Curtis]

Yet Rush Limbaugh himself backs Obama's claim?

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[Kyle Curtis]

Conservatives are just upset they don't have anyone to vote for in this election, thus reduced to casting "chaos" votes.  I guess that's what happens when its proven that conservative ideologies & policies are bankrupt....

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[Brent Wolters]

Actually most conservatives are thrilled with how the election has gone so far.  It's rather poetic justice that Hillary is being beaten by a nerdy, inexperienced, black guy from her home state.  We're thrilled that WJC has become rather irrelllevent.  We're thrilled that the dem. party is split amongst racial and educational lines.  We're thrilled that Obama and Hillary have spent enough money to feed all the people of Nigeria for 20 years, when they could have easily flipped a coin months ago and spent their ammo going after McCain.

 

After 8 years of Bush, the dems should be running away with this contest.  Yet they just can't close the deal.  At this point most conservatives are willing to rally behind McCain because the alternative is just too radical.

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[Brent Wolters]

 

True, but it just appears whiny for the democrat front runner and presidential wanna be, to be so bitter about a conservative shock jock being able to throw a monkey wrench into his coronation process.

 

If he can't handle Limbaugh, how will he handle Putin or Amadinijab?  (sp?)

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[Kyle Curtis]

Can't close the deal?  You guys were crowing about a "permanent Republican majority" six years ago.  Tell me- did that include Nancy Pelosi's leadership in the House?

Since the next President is guaranteed to be a Democrat, little wonder both top Democratic candidates have fought tooth and nail to secure that mantle.  The guaranteed Democratic sweep this November explains why the Republican primaries folded so early, resulting in such a weak option as McCaincient.  If Romney had stayed in the race, conservatives could've had an option this year.  Sadly, as conservatives were unable to rally behind any candidates that matched their ideology, they're reduced to whining on the sidelines and attempting to cause "chaos" by casting their votes in Democratic primaries, looking to extend it as much as possible.

The fact that conservatives represent nothing but cynicism is the reason why your "movement" has led to entrenched liberal leadership.  Thank you for that.

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[Kyle Curtis]

It seems very odd for somebody to condone such a gaytarded ID law in Indiana- making up bogeymen 'sneaking in' from Chicago or Cincinnati when Republican state leaders admit there has never been a reported case of such an instance- yet stand on the sidelines and jeer when Republicans vote in Democratic primaries. 

"If Obama can't handle Limbaugh?"  What is this, a wrestling match?  Five-party diplomatic talks?  I know!  Obama should revoke the FCC license of all stations that carry Limbaugh on the air!  Yeah!  He can totally do that!

Who's whining?  How about all those, mostly Republicans voting for Hillary, who are wondering why can't Obama beat the candidate they're casting votes for?  I mean, talk about gaytards!  It makes about as much sense as Republicans filibustering repeatedly in Congress, and then asking "Why can't Democrats do anything?  Gosh!"

If Indiana can pass a gaytarded law disenfranchising Catholics from voting to keep the process "pure", then Democratic voters should be able to dictate the whims of their party leadership ratehr than a bunch of mindless dittoheads.  Wouldn't you agree?

Probably not.  Little wonder you support the Gaytarded Old Party, Brent...

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[Kyle Curtis]

Its also a concern to have a presidential front runenr call his wife a "cunt", but that probably scores points in certain sectors of the population.

Like with gaytards.

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[Simon Taylor]

More of the "more government for fewer people" Republican agenda of wasting tax-payers money enacting useless laws that only serve to disenfranchise citizens.  "Less government" is supposed to describe the philosophy of enacting laws that address real problems.  Unfortunately, Republicans seem quite talented at saying one thing to accomplish another.

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