"key components of marriage is and always will be the (*potential*) ability
to reproduce naturally"
That is the last gasp argument clung to by the religious right. Every claim
they made about the impending doom of traditional marriage once gays
started marrying has proven false. Vermont approved gay marriage in 2004,
and 6 more since, and the world didn't collapse, heteros are still getting
married, having kids, getting divorced and other normal hetero behavior.
Large number of heteros haven't turned suddenly gay or committed suicide
out of despair. The hand of God didn't turn Vermont into a pile of sand,
deluge with water, incinerate or other wise crush Vermont for their
supposed trespasses.
So you claim its all about procreation. But, as other have already stated,
many married folk never procreate. Many unmarried folks do. In large
numbers in both categories. Your argument is demonstrably false. As is your
argument that marriage has been defined as between one man and one woman
for all time.
The fact is, the bible very clearly shows that the God of Abraham was just
fine with men with multiple wives. If you can't even get the facts straight
on your own theology, what makes you think you can shove your re-written,
faux-Christian theology down the throats of Americans who don't share your
misguided faith? What makes you thing we'll let that happen any longer?
I stayed up late last night watching Barney Frank handing Tony Perkins his
ass on just this same discussion. Apparently Barney knows more about the
bible than that wing bag of a self-appointed morality hall monitor.
And, yes, I brought up the bible because its what you base your entire way
of life on, and what you and your ilk intend to impose on the rest of
America - government driven by a religious ideology not actually based on
your own scriptures, but one you warp to match your bigoted, homophobic,
misogonystic belief system.
As has been said many times by many people this week, you are on the wrong
side of history, But you already know that. That's why the rabid dogs of
conservatism have so forcefully imposed their anti-choice, anti-labor,
anti-immigrant, anti-gay agenda - instead of working on jobs bills as
promised - since the last election. They know that whites in general, and
white men in particular, will soon be a minority in this country, with the
brown folk outnumbering whitey in a few short years. They know that
acceptance of gays\lesbians and same sex marriage has grown by leaps and
bounds over the past 4-5 years, and is now supported by the majority. You
know the young overwhelmingly accept the idea of same sex marriage. You
know that your way of life is dying because of its own failings, not
because of any outside influence from the liberal left.
You were lead to believe that Christian White Men would rule this country,
and through the use of our military power, the world, until the time of
Christ's return. And you're starting to realize that was a lie. And you and
your friends in the Aryan nation are freaking out and lashing out in one
last attempt to save your grip on power. Well, Jesus aint coming back, and
the People of The Sun are coming back around again - slowly reclaiming the
land taken from the by force a few centuries ago.
I for one welcome our future gay brown skinned overlords. Diversity is the
key to evolution. Its time for the America of the Christian White Male to
die so that humanity can evolve. We're coming for you Brent.
sent from my phone
On May 11, 2012, at 10:36 AM, "Brent Wolters" <brentonpatr...@comcast.net>
wrote:
One of the key components of marriage is and always will be the (*potential
*) ability to reproduce naturally. Go read Genesis 17. Even Sarah
eventually produced a child, Isaac.
In other words, sterile or barren hetero marriages are an abomination.
The stupid. It hurts.
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Brent Wolters
<brentonpatr...@comcast.net>wrote:
> **
> Drew,
> You make a good case for polygamy but an extremely compelling case AGAINST
> gay marriage: If you read Genesis 16 you'll discover that Abram's wife,
> Sarai was childless and as a result, she insisted that Abram reproduce with
> her slave Hagai.
> One of the key components of marriage is and always will be the
> (potential) ability to reproduce naturally.
> Was Canaan the birthplace of Christianity? Um, No. That would be
> Bethleham
> Was Abraham the father of Christianity? Um, No. That would be the Jesus
> of Nazareth.
> The biggest lie of this whole dialog is the revisionist nuvo-Christian
> claim that for all (8K, or is it 10K years since The Creation - Oh, sorry,
> Tony Perkins just told me on TV that its 5K years) of recorded history,
> marriage has been between one man and one woman. These idiots apparently
> don't even read their own holy book. The bible is full of good men of God
> with multiple concurrent wives. Abraham, the father of Christianity (and,
> arguably Judaism and Islam), was married to both Sarai and Hagar at the
> same time.
> Genesis 16
> And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had
> dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband *Abram
> to be his wife*.
> The list goes on. Because for most of human history, especially in the
> birthplace of Christianity, marriage often between a man married to many
> women (as Mitt's great grandfather practiced). And numerous matriarchal
> cultures practiced polyandry - one woman, multiple husbands.
> Stupid facts and their liberal bias!
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Juneau Smog <juneau.s...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Limbaugh: "People like me, who are minding their own business, all of a
>> sudden have to stand up and defend these traditions and instutions from
>> people like...the president, who's waging a war on traditional America."
>> Bwahahahahahaha! OMG! It's true! Rush Limbaugh truly is an entertainer.
>> That is some hilarious shit! Mr. I've-Been-Married-Three-Times has to now
>> defend traditional marriage!? omg, LOLOLOL!
>> Number of traditional marriages destroyed personally by Rush Limbaugh: *3
>> *
>> Number of traditional marriages destroyed by Barack Obama’s support of
>> same sex marriage<http://www.politicususa.com/obama-makes-history-by-becoming-first-pre...>:
>> *0*
>> http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-has-destroyed-more-marriage...
>> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Juneau Smog <juneau.s...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Here's the most important chart on the consequences of gay marriage!
>>> <gaymarriage.jpg>
>>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Juneau Smog <juneau.s...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> The problem with this stupid idiotic talking point is that to have a
>>>> 'war' then one side wins while the other side is defeated. It's assuming
>>>> that gay marriage is seeking out straight marriage in order to destroy it
>>>> somehow, as if gay marriage gives a shit what straight people do. To have a
>>>> 'war' means there can be only one marriage and if it's 'gay' then all
>>>> hetero marriage will instantly end, for it has been defeated. When the fact
>>>> remains that whether gays can marry or not, heteros will continue to cheat
>>>> on each other, verbally abuse each other, divorce each other, and continue
>>>> to destroy the sanctity of the institute of marriage as its always been. So
>>>> i guess I just fail to see where there's any moronic war, other than the
>>>> conservative war against anyone less privileged or different from them.
>>>> That always seems to be where these stupid faux wars start anyway.
>>>> On May 9, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Kyle Curtis <kylecurtis...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Oh noes! Obama fired to first salvo in his "war on churches".... or
>>>> something.
>>>> Seriously, STFU fatty....
>>>> http://mediamatters.org/research/201205090023
>>>> Americans Disagree With Rush Limbaugh On Marriage Equality
>>>> May 09, 2012 8:11 pm ET — 17 Comments<http://mediamatters.org/research/201205090023#comments>
>>>> Rush Limbaugh attacked President Obama today over his support for
>>>> marriage equality, accusing Obama of leading a "war on traditional
>>>> marriage" and the Catholic Church while accusing same-sex marriage
>>>> supporters of wanting "to corrupt the institution." However, polls show
>>>> that public support for same-sex marriage has been trending upwards over
>>>> the past several years, including in the Catholic community.
>>>> Obama: "I Think Same Sex Couples Should Be Able To Get Married"
>>>> *On ABC, Obama Voiced Support For Marriage Equality.* In an interview
>>>> with ABC News correspondent Robin Roberts, Obama stated: "[A]t a certain
>>>> point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to
>>>> go ahead and affirm that same sex couples should be able to get married":
>>>> "I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I have
>>>> talked to friends and family and neighbors when I think about members of my
>>>> own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships,
>>>> same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about
>>>> those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting
>>>> on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that Don't Ask Don't Tell
>>>> is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage, at a
>>>> certain point I've just concluded that for me personally it is important
>>>> for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same sex couples should be able
>>>> to get married," Obama told Roberts, in an interview to appear on ABC's
>>>> "Good Morning America" Thursday. [ABC News, 5/9/12<http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fgma.yahoo.com%2Fblogs%2Fab...>
>>>> ]
>>>> Limbaugh: Obama Is "Waging" A "War" On Marriage, Catholic Church
>>>> *Limbaugh: Obama "Is Going To Lead A War On Traditional Marriage." *Limbaugh
>>>> repeatedly accused Obama of "waging" or "leading" a "war" on "traditional
>>>> marriage" on his radio show today:
>>>> LIMBAUGH: We've arrived at a point where the president of the United
>>>> States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage. You want to call
>>>> that winning? Your
