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[Daniel Curtis]

who won this, and all, debates.

The final 20 minutes should be remembered as "how not to debate" lessons as far as Johnny Mac is concerned. After a somewhat level back and forth on prospective judicial nominees, Obama grasped the opportunity to reach out to all Americans on finding a common ground in the matter of abortion, stressing that education and proper family planning can put an end to unwanted pregnancies, and that he would only support late term abortions in matters where it could mean life or death for the mother.

There was an audible scoff from McCain at the beginning of Obama's plea for cooperativeness, and when able to reply, JSM3 actually put up finger quotes decrying Barak's call for "womens health". At which point, the split screen showed Obama sipping from his water glass and shooting JSM3 with AK47 eyes. If looks could kill: "you say I'm lying about caring for the health of women? God, I could be stooping to your level and ripping you a new one about voting against womens equal rights..etc"

Somewhere lost in the comedy, I think I may have heard something wrong in the proceeding moments. Yet, I was watching with a buddy who thought he heard the same thing. It was along the lines of McCain talking about "troops to teachers" in which he stated that returning war veterans should be allowed to teach "free of examination and certification" . I'm sure I had to have heard that wrong. Someone please correct me.

Then, to top it off, McCain fell into the trap of bringing up the shady relations with Ayers and acorn. Obama quickly layed out the factual details of those relationships, to which JSM3 reply was more or less along the lines of "well, we'll wait until the factual details of those relationships are layed out, until then , lets talk about the economy and taxes real quick again"

Kudos to BO for not resorting to the fact that JSM3 has had closer ties to acorn more recelty than him. kudos to him not bringing up Mac's relationships to the plethera of shady characters he's been associayted with. He was definitley much more substance, while gramps continued to play the same tired "he'll tax ya, he'll bomb ya, he'll steal your white women" card.

[Brent Wolters]

Obama got his butt kicked...

 

So says always conservative Time:  http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1850933,00.html

 

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[William Curtis]

That conservative rag? Even FoxNews declared Obama the winner!

Bill

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ciao,
Bill

[Drew McDougal]

Mark Halperin has been saying John McCain "won the week" for several months now. My mom was watching Halperin on a news program with me as he stammered out some unsupportable claims about McCain turning the tide last week and she asked me if he was a "fake news" guy like Stewart and Colbert. That's how much credibility Halperin brings to the table.

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Buaidh no bas

[Kyle Curtis]

Brent-

Nearly every account of the debate has McCain coming out strong, taking some solid punches and mopping the floor with Obama.  It took some time, but finally it looked like John McCain was showing up to a debate!  But, interestingly, about thirty minutes in, McCain petered out and reverted to his normal self, with facial tics, weird breathing, and an inability to hide his contempt for his opponent.  This makes sense, as McCain was willing to throw some punches at Obama.  Of course, Obama was expecting them, and brushed them all off with such ease that it justed ramped up McCain's ire more and more to the point where he was practically seething by the end of the debate.  (The best moment, I'd have to say, was McCain's eyes popping out when Obama explained that so-called 'Joe the Plumber' would pay "zero' in fines for not offering health care to his employees. That's "zero"- as in the chances McCaintgoingtobepresident's chances of winning thsi election.)

It's interesting that Halperin based his McCain "report card" on that first half-hour, but as Drew points out, Halperin has been in the tank for McCain for months....

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net> wrote:

[Kyle Curtis]

Look who "Joe the Plumber" is associated with!  (And from a right-wing blog, to boot!)

http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/

Joe "the Plumber" Wurzelbacher related to Charles "the Crook" Keating. Oops.

October 15th, 2008 . by Marty

John McCain did great tonight in the debate. But every time John mentioned "Joe the Plumber," some of us in the campaign banged our heads against the wall. If Steve Schmidt had any hair left, I hear he would have been pulling it out tonight. He reportedly screamed at John's debate prep team tonight (out of earshot of reporters, of course). "You idiots - he's related to Charles Keating… of the Keating Five scandal!" They thought they had a real live Joe Six-Pack who's spurned Barack Obama's tax plan. But what they forgot to do was check on Joe Wurzelbacher's background.

Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who's Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating's son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.

Does any of this make Joe the Plumber a bad guy? Of course not. In fact, after that ill-fated night at the Watergate, he may finally be giving plumbers a good name. But at a debate where John goes full bore on Obama for guilt-by-association with William Ayers (and dodges a bullet by Obama not mentioning Keating Five), the press is going to bring it back front and center by midday tomorrow once they delve deeper into the most popular plumber in America.

This might remind you of the Paris Hilton scandal - where one side of the McCain campaign attacked her in an ad, not realizing that her family were huge donors. I was the first to warn the campaign of the perils of miscommunication within the campaign, and that story flared for a week.

UPDATE:  Sure enough, a few hours after posting this, the left wing haters at DailyKos posted (or shall I say copied?) their own revelations about Joe's connections to Keating.  Like I said to the campaign: Oops.

Posted in Uncategorized, campaign, mccain |

[Brent Wolters]

Who cares who Joe is related to.  Obummer said some very stupid things about wanting to "Spread the Wealth"  Why work hard, if Obummer is going to rob Peter to Pay Paul?

 

 

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[Kyle Curtis]

Actually, Brent, its more like "Why work hard only to have your pension taken away and your retirement disappears, ending up in the pockets of the wealthiest two percent, people like Mitt Romney."

The Paulson-brokered "bailout"- nee handout to Goldman Sachs and the like- was a redistribution of wealth, but the wrong kind.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

Kyle, most plumbers don't have a pension.  And most 401ks offer high, moderate and low risk options.

 

I agree with you that bailout-handout was wrong.  Yet it was overwhelming supported by Democrats and some moderate Repubs.  The jury is still out on whether any jobs will be saved because of this massive bailout.

[Brent Wolters]

We've learned more about Joe the Plumber in twenty-four hours than we've learned about Barack Obama in twenty-one months of his presidential campaign. See what the media can accomplish when they're motivated?

 

http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/285897fd-www.kgan.com.shtml

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[Kyle Curtis]

Yet it was overwhelming supported by Democrats and some moderate Repubs.

And the Republican leadership: George W. Bush, John McCain, Mitch McConnell.

I assume you're referring to the house Republicans, who voted against the bailout because their feelings were hurt by the "partisan' speech given by Nancy Pelosi, in which she correctly pointed out that it was the final conclusion to decades of supply-side economics.  Didn't Rush call these courageous House Republicans cry-babies/  Why, yes he did.  Are you surprised that when enough pork was added to sweeten the deal in the second go-around, it was passed?  What courage these House Republicans showed, willing to be bribed in exchange for spreading the wealth around to billion-dollar investment banks, who don't even need the money and aren't even sure what to d owith it now that they have it.

Anyways, Brent, your original post wasn't about specifically about plumbers making 250K, but was more general in substance.  If you wish to discuss plumbers making 250K (who aren't Republican plants) I'd just like to point that if a company is doing well enough to pull in 250K after all expenses, they can see an increase of tax percentage rates from 36 to 39 percent.  That's three percentage points, equaling to a little less than $2000. 

Holy frickin' cow!  That will just kill that frickin' business, huh!  I guess he'll have to lay off some employees.  But the only ones I can imagine who would earn $2K a year would be Pedro, the immigrant worker who is hired and paid under the table to take away a good-paying job from an American worker and trump up the company's profits.

And you know what's going to happen with that 2K distributed to those middle-class families earning under $250,000 who would benefit with Obama's tax cut?  They'd be able to give this guy more business!

In all seriousness, to argue against this straight-faced just indicates a complete lack of knowledge and understanding.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Kyle Curtis]

That's funny, Brent.  We know all about Obama, because he's been giving the same answers to questions he's been asked hundreds of times.

You just don't like the answers is all.

On the same tone, are you saying we know everything about Sarah Palin, who's been on the national radar for six weeks?  Really?  Who is the real Sarah Plain, the one who abused her power in office, or the one who lied about abusing her power in office?

Seriously, your posts detract from the collective intelligence of this board.  Reading them makes us all more stupid.  Are you aware of that?

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

More Obama bin Lyin' supporters headed to jail...

 

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/latestheadlines/story/611138.html

 

 

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[Kyle Curtis]

Brent, once Obama gets elected and he cuts your taxes, I sure hope you post here whining about it.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

I thought paying more taxes was patriotic.  Why would I want a tax cut?

 

Seriously I doubt that Obama will get elected and if by chance he does, I doubt he'll lower any taxes.

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[Kyle Curtis]

Seriously, McCain's campaign is going down like the planes he used to fly, yet you 'doubt Obama will get elected?'

Reality misses you, Brent.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

McCain (followed by Obama) knocks it out of the park tonight in New York...

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/16/video-mccain-knocks-em-dead-at-the-alfred-e-smith-dinner/

 

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[Simon Taylor]

How in the bloody hell is effectively rolling back a tax cut for the rich a redistribution of wealth?  Oh those *poor* rich folk.  Gotta can't make 10 or 20 percent on the market, so I guess we need to take that pound of flesh from the middle class?  The *redistribution of wealth* that Bush gave 'em is about to be rolled back.  Why is we never see these rich folks stepping forward into the light asking for the redistribution of wealth that Bush granted them?  Perhaps that would be a mighty shameful thing to do?

--
The life I've always wanted
I guess I'll never have
I'll be working for somebody else
Until I'm in my grave
I'll be dreaming of a live of ease
And mountains
Oh mountains o' things

[Simon Taylor]

McCain was pretty funny tonight.  It was like for just a moment we got to see a little bit of that younger John McCain enjoying the good life; hanging out with his peers and people he respects; knowing he could make slightly textured jokes rather than whitewashed, oversimplified, and just plain bad one-line-theater with grimaced smiles and another 50 salutations to "my friends".

For one night, John McCain got to play back on stage at the insider's club, where he understands the game, rather than the shattered Republican not-his-base circuit where the stages are, of late, merely distasteful spectacles of John "I'm not the other guy you hate" McCain.

So, it was good to see McCain being cordial, and in a couple moments conceding bits of a truth that must burn his insides on the campaign trail; a truth he is probably going to be glad to concede fully on November 4th.

I also found it interesting to see Obama play to this crowd.  He played it well, but you could tell that he did not have the same insider's club polish that McCain has developed over the last 3 decades.  There was a moment or two where you could feel Obama testing his audience, like with his joke about Fox news; a joke that did not seem to play so well with that insider's club who need no convincing of - or comedic relief from - the Fixed news purpose and position in the world.

Most interestingly, in what must be a pretty scripted event, we saw Barack Obama standing in front of this audience of influential players having - somehow - drawn the closing presidential remarks card.  It seems a bit surprising to get such a bold cue, what with the election still two and half weeks off, but at this point everyone including McCain must understand that trends like this do not bode well.

Overall, given that huge format cue, and several between the lines messages, I'd conclude tonight those of us who watched it saw both candidates McCain and Obama deliver it straight: barring a miracle for McCain, we will have an Obama presidency. 

Of course, this election is far from in the bag.  The question at this point is not numbers, but stamina - will Obama's hard-won base avoid complacency and hold on to turn out for him?

[Juneau Hussein Smog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRqcfqiXCX0

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM, Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net> wrote:

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Sent from my Blackberry invented by John McCain, but unfortunately I can't email him to thank him for inventing the Blackberry since he doesn't know how to use the internet.

[Juneau Hussein Smog]

bwhahahahaha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn5W9SNlb5A

[Daniel Curtis]

[Brent Wolters]

"Well, you know, associations matter when choosing a plumber, but apparently not when choosing a President."

 

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/17/guess-who-else-has-tax-liens/

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[Anchorag...@aol.com]

Fair or not, (I think its at least a little fair) John McCain and George W. will now be remembered by history in the same sentence as having caused the gop to be completely swept from power in 2008.

 

Here in Alaska, Even if Stevens gets found not guilty (Which is a distinct possibility after some serious bungling by the prosecutors) its too little too late for him to help Don Young - who is down by 10 points. If Stevens gets found not guilty he will have to immediately switch gears and do all he can to save his seat, leaving no time, money or energy to rescue Don Young. The fact that he is so much farther behind then the guy who has been indicted should be a strong indication of Young's utter weakness this year. Although an acquittal probably means Stevens returns to Washington, I see a strong possibility that Don Young will return to Fort Yukon.

 

My forecast for 2008:

 

President: Obama by 300+ EV's as well as a majority of the popular vote

US Senate/Alaska: Too close to call

US Congress/Alaska: Rep. Elect Ethan Berkowitz

 

=> Mike

VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN NOVEMBER - LETS COLLECT OUR CHANGE!

 

In a message dated 10/17/2008 5:36:28 A.M. Alaskan Daylight Time, dani...@gmail.com writes:

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Kyle Curtis <calic...@gmail.com> wrote:

Seriously, McCain's campaign is going down like the planes he used to fly, yet you 'doubt Obama will get elected?'

Reality misses you, Brent.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

I thought paying more taxes was patriotic.  Why would I want a tax cut?

 

Seriously I doubt that Obama will get elected and if by chance he does, I doubt he'll lower any taxes.

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Brent, once Obama gets elected and he cuts your taxes, I sure hope you post here whining about it.

2008/10/16 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

More Obama bin Lyin' supporters headed to jail...

 

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/latestheadlines/story/611138.html

 

 

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[Kyle Curtis]

This picture sums up the entire race between these two candidates.

[Kyle Curtis]

Associations do matter when you're picking a President.  I'm glad my preferred candidate associates himself with Warren Buffett, Paul Volcker, Joe Biden, Richard Lugar.....

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Anchorag...@aol.com]

Actually, the truth is coming out:

 

He is SAM the plumber, isn't licensed, would QUALIFY for a tax CUT under Obama's plan, and has a lien against his own home because he didn't pay a measly $1000 in taxes.

 

I just love McCain's role models.

 

=> Mike

VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN IN NOVEMBER - LETS COLLECT OUR CHANGE!

 

[Brent Wolters]

Interesting Poll from our guys and gals serving… I'm glad to know our men and women in uniform know what's right. In case you missed this week's issue of the Army Times here are the results of the Army Times' poll of Military personnel re: the election (in percent):

McCain Obama

Overall 68 23

Army 68 23

Navy 69 24

Air Force 67 24

Marines 75 18

Retirees 72 20

White Non-Hispanic 76 17

Hispanic 63 27

Black/African-American 12 79

Enlisted 67 24

Officers 70 22

Somehow I missed seeing this in the New York Times...

http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/081003_ep_2pp.pdf

 

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[Simon Taylor]

I did miss this week's issue of the Army Times'.  Like I'll miss next week, and the week after that, and the week after that.  In fact, I bet there's a lot folks - military personnel even - who miss the Army Times' on a regular basis.  You might do some reading on the Bradley Effect, Brent.  There's some interesting ideas floating around about polling methods.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Simon Taylor]

Not to put to fine a point on it:

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_poll_methodology_100608W/

From Sept. 22 to Sept. 29, 2,813 active-duty members, 1,480 members of the National Guard or reserve and 4,411 retirees participated. The figures include only those respondents who indicated they are registered and intend to vote in the election. Chart totals may not equal 100 percent because of the rounding of figures.

So, I suppose that more accurately, about 80% of retired military personnel (i.e., *not* those in Iraq) who still subscribe to the Times support John McCain.

OMG...Obama is in trouble!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

[Simon Taylor]

Sorry, but I just can't help but admire the Times honesty here, even if they attempt to undercut the obvious ('...it's difficult to predict how those factors affect the results...."; nah, probably not too difficult!):

Although public opinion pollsters use random selection to survey the general public, the Military Times survey is based on responses from those who chose to participate. That means it is impossible to calculate statistical margins of error commonly reported in opinion surveys, because those calculations depend on random sampling techniques.

The voluntary nature of the survey could affect the results — if supporters of one candidate are more prone to express their opinions, for example. The dependence on e-mail could also affect the results, because e-mail users may have different characteristics than the military population as a whole.

Characteristics of Military Times readers may also affect the results. The group surveyed is significantly older than the military as a whole, and the survey group contains a higher percentage of officers than is present in the military.

Conversely, junior enlisted troops, women and racial and ethnic minorities made up a smaller share of the sample than of the military at large. While it is difficult to predict how those factors affect the results, those groups are generally regarded as more supportive of Democratic candidates.

[Kyle Curtis]

Simon, don't waste your time.  The Army Times is a propaganda arm for the Pentagon.  Oooh, the Pentagon doesn't want Barack Obama to win the Presidency?

Big surprise there.  (sarc.)

Of course, if Brent wants to accept the Army Times at their word, that's his prerogative.  Of course, I wonder how he squares the results with these polls with the fact that soldiers are contributing more money to Barack Obama?  They're supporting a candidate just to vote against him?

Seems to be (or defy, rather) logical.

[Simon Taylor]

Hehehehe...YEEEEAAH...Exactly my point.  I just tend to leave the {sarc.} to be inferred by the capable.

[Kyle Curtis]

Associations do matter, Brent.  Luckily, leave it up to that hard-hitting investigative journalist David Letterman to closely examine McCain's associations.

 

Why hasn't McCain been more truthful with his associations with Charles Keating?  G. Gordon Liddy?  Duke Cunningham?  All of these people, by the way, have seen the inside of a jail cell.

 

William Ayers has not.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Juneau Hussein Smog]

Did silly season just get sillier?

[Brent Wolters]

William Ayers has not.

 

Umm. Okay.  Ayres is a saint.  Let's ignore the fact that he was let off the hook due to some procedural rules that had been violated by the Feds.  Let's forget that he is an admitted terrorist.  Let's forget that his wife is an admitted terrorist.  And while we're at it lets forget that Obama kicked off his political career at Ayres home.

 

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[Juneau Hussein Smog]

Except that's a lie, Obama kicked off his political career at a Ramada Inn, and no, that is not an Islamic holiday.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Noah Walden]

Accusing Obama of somehow being a terrorist or aiding and abetting terrorism because of his cursory relationship with Ayers is like accusing Brent of being a pot smoker because he hung out with me 16 years ago.

 

Utter foolishness.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Juneau Hussein Smog]

Bwahaha! It's just like Palin claiming Obama pals around with terrorists. Y'know if an evangelical lady who's in a video getting blessed by a witch doctor, who's married to a secesionist and can't name a single newspaper, she's right, Obama is "scary".

[Kyle Curtis]

Let's ignore the fact that he was let off the hook due to some procedural rules that had been violated by the Feds.

Wait a minute, are we talking about Ayers or John McCain here?

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

William Ayers has not.

 

Umm. Okay.  Ayres is a saint. Let's ignore the fact that he was let off the hook due to some procedural rules that had been violated by the Feds.  Let's ignore the fact that he was let off the hook due to some procedural rules that had been violated by the Feds.  Let's forget that he is an admitted terrorist.  Let's forget that his wife is an admitted terrorist.  And while we're at it lets forget that Obama kicked off his political career at Ayres home.

[Brent Wolters]

 

Thanks, Noah.  

 

Now everybody knows why I'm not running for office.  

[Kyle Curtis]

Hey Brent, have you noticed that the price of oil has been cut in half since its mid-summer high of $149?

I've been wondering why you haven't been crowing about it.

Maybe it's because due to the financial crisis, none of the oil speculators have money to speculate any more.

I said the price in oil would pass if the oil speculation bill was passed.  It wasn't- thanks Republican obstruction- but since these big pocketed speculators are feeling a pinch, they're not speculating.

Surprise!  Oil prices are down.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Simon Taylor]

Unfortunately, Brent, there are two problems with your position:
1) The facts
2) While McCain has exactly the troublesome ties he would like to drape upon everyone else, Obama and his campaign staff continue to run their campaign on the unavoidably obvious voter concerns over the economy and the anti-American ideologies of the Bush administration, that McCain has, most regrettably (as the WaPo has intoned), hog-tied himself to.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[William Curtis]

Wow! A poll of 91 people! How representative! It is like the poll of the six people taken after the last debate on tv. Three people would vote for McCain so that is
50%. That is suppose to mean that 50% people in the nation will vote for McCain. We are suppose to accept that as a accurate view of what, 300 million people?

Bill

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

--
ciao,
Bill

[Brent Wolters]

Democrats Maintain Solid Lead in 13 Swing States.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2004/10/17/uselexn041017.html

 

This is sick:  53 per cent to 43 per cent lead.

 

[Kyle Curtis]

This is breaking news, Brent.

[Simon Taylor]

Let's contextualize the trends in ASCII art:

               /\
      Kerry --/  \/--\ /--/\/-\/\-
2004             /\/--X--\/\/\/\--
      Bush  -\  /
              \/          /--\/--/
                    /-\  /   
               /\--/   \/
      Obama  -/
2008 
      McCain ---\
                 \---\    /---\
                      \--/     \-

[Drew McDougal]

Brent, given the following information, should the Annenbergs be condemned for "Paling around with terrorists," and, if so, should Republicans renounce Ronald Reagon for being so closed to them?

Truth:

William Ayers (and Senator Obama) was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education reform group funded by Walter Hubert Annenberg's Anneberg Foundation. The current president, chairman and sole director of the Foundation is Walter's widow Leonore Annenberg.

Who are (was) Walter and Leonore Annenberg? Media magnates turned philanthropists and diplotmats. Where they get some of their conservative credentials:

Richard M. Nixon  appointed Charles Annenberg as ambassador to the Court of St. James's in the United Kingdom.
Annenberg introduced President Reagan to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
The Reagans often celebrated New Year's Eve with the Annenbergs.
Leonore Annenberg was named by President Ronald Reagan as the State Department's Chief of Protocol
Walter was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom from Reagan.

--
Buaidh no bas

[Kyle Curtis]

Leonore Annenberg, noted "pal of terrorists": John McCain's #2 private donor

[Brent Wolters]

http://philanthropy.com/premium/articles/v12/i13/13001203.htm

 

I didn't feel like purchasing the full article, but apparently the Annenburg funds FAILED in liberal La La land, otherwise known as the black hole of public education.  Schools that didn't receive funds tested just as well as schools that received millions!

 

As Chairman of the Annenburg Foundation didn't Obama have a fiscal responsibility to link the funds with results?  Oh, silly me, communists never care about results. 

 

Senator Government hasn't learned:  His solutions evolve around increasing taxes to cover excessive spending. 

 

 

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[Brent Wolters]

You've obviously missed something.  Private citizens can pal around with whoever they wish.  However, when you are running for office, especially president, and you owe your early political success to a washed up, communist terrorist, and an anti-semetic bomb-throwing preacher, you better be prepared to defend those relationships.

 

For the record, my wife, Olga graduated with a degree in finance from Ayres UIC. Maybe I should have vetted her more closely for terrorist ties.

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[Kyle Curtis]

Except the Chicago Anneneberg Challenge was a conservative group, found and funded by conservatives looking for ways to accomplish a conservative pet policy: school reform.

And- wow- big surprise.  Just like everything else from this bankrupt conservative ideology, it failed.  Huh.  Who would've thought?

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Kyle Curtis]

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Drew McDougal]

Brent's little secret is that he's jerked off to pictures of Ronnie Raygun for years. Will he ever giz again now that its come out his hero was a close friend of liberal commies?

--
Buaidh no bas

[Kyle Curtis]

Brent, is it okay for a sitting Senator to pall around with those who advocate the murder of ATF agents?

Just asking.

And, again Brent, Obama has explained all these nefarious 'associations'.  You just don't like the explanations, so you continue to tilt at windmills, as that's the only sliver of hope you have that your embarrassing, pathetic, insignificant candidate has at winning.  (I can't wait for you clever 'correction' Brent.  It always bows me over with you wit and intelligence when you 'correct' somebody's posts!)

You know what I am digging the most about this latest turn in the election?  The fact that- kind of like the pick of Palin as VP- every talking point latched onto by the McCain campaign turns out to be entirely unvetted and blows up in their face.  From the scary 'domestic terrorist' Bill Ayers serving on a conservative board with conservatives studying conservative ideals, to Joe the Plumber becoming Sam the Lying McCain Plant, to the ACORN hubub was is full of nothing.... I mean, come on!  Why not just run on a campaign of letting McCain make his case to the American people?  Is that too hard?  Oh, and let Sarah Palin give a press conference or two?  Can you believe that she hasn't had any in six weeks, with 19 days left in the election?

Probably because they're worried she might have to explain her associations with armed anti-American separatists, and Kenyan witch doctors.  Huh.

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

Big story floating on the conservative blogs is that Ayres ghostwrote Obamas books:

 

http://www.modernconservative.com/metablog_single.php?&p=2358#c

( Please let this be true.)

[Drew McDougal]

I read on a conservative blog that Brent bought a vial of Ronnie Reagan's sperm on the internets. Now that Ronnie has turned out to be a commie sympathizer, the question is will Brent attempt to throw it back up?

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

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[Kyle Curtis]

This will certainly sink Obama's chances now.

because the #1 priority that people are worried about this election is if some ex-60s radical ghostwrote some books.

Seriously, Brent.  Give it up.  Its pathetic, and if you're not embarrassed by what you post, I just want you to know that I'm embarrassed for you.

Oh, and by the way, about 15 years ago, I crossed paths with Cal Ripken Jr. and Jay Buhner on the streets of Seattle.  I guess that makes me a professional major league ball player!

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Kyle Curtis]

Brent is tickled pink that the Annenburg Challenge failed.

Ironically, despite the fact that it set the blueprint for No Child Left Behind, the key piece of legislation passed by Shrub.

Which also failed.

In conclusion: any conservative plans towards school reforms fail.

http://www.pureparents.org/data/files/Final%20report.pdf

2008/10/17 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

[Brent Wolters]

 

I  can tell Obama is doing poorly based off the increased personal attacks against me.  But when Obama loses, and he will.  History will record that he was taken down not by Brent the Insurance Guy, but by Joe the Plumber.

[Drew McDougal]

What personal attacks? You are the one with and unquenchable thirst for the 40th President's man chowder. I read it on a blog, so it must be true. I just think the world should now the truth about it.

2008/10/18 Brent Wolters <brenton...@comcast.net>

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[Kyle Curtis]

Being embarrassed for you is a personal attack?

I can tell McCain is losing due to the thin skin and near-paranoia of his rabid supporters- not to mention out-and-out violence.....