Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chad Windnagle <drmmr...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Joomla! Documentation] Re: The Future of Joomla! Documentation
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Hi everyone:

So just a little background on myself before I comment, I used to be on the 
docs team back in 2008 - 2009. I retired from the team to take on some 
other aspects of the Joomla project.

I can definitely appreciate the time and energy spent in creating and 
working on the docs site. having created many of the docs as a part of the 
GHOP program I know that the folks who have been working on the docs site, 
considering the task they are left with, they have done a great job thus 
far. 

Recently someone said to me that no one should control ideas. And I'm not 
insinuating that anyone is or has here, but I think that it's a good 
reminder to remember that we're all trying to do the best for the community 
and for the lesser joomla-head power users.

Jon has done a lot of work on this and I think we can definitely respect 
and thank him for that. His ideas are great ideas and they take on a lot of 
the issues that the docs site is currently struggling with. I can 
understand the need for some of the features that Chris mentioned, such as 
versioning and transclusion, but it's important to not let the need for 
certain things like that get in the way of meeting a larger goal: making 
the content usable.

With the Wiki we may have some great features like the versioning and 
transclusion, but what good is it if the docs site is rendered nearly 
useless in the process? It seems to me that we may be stepping over a 
dollar to save a nickel there, and I don't know if that tradeoff is 
worthwhile.

All in all, it's important to at least stay *open* to making some changes, 
and accept that there are other solutions out there. 

Cheers,
Chad

On Thursday, 22 March 2012 19:38:38 UTC-4, Jonathan Neubauer wrote:
>
> Noel,
> This conversation is primarily happening between people who have spent 
> hundreds, if not thousands of hours working for the Joomla! Project.
> While I definitely appreciate the work that everyone does, this is 
> definitely an important discussion regardless of the outcome.
> Without changes to some degree, the Joomla! documentation site will 
> continue to be something thats hard to use, and hard to manage, no matter 
> how many times people update documentation.
>
> So please, let us "work that out"
>
> Respectfully,
> Jon
>

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Hi everyone:<div><br></div><div>So just a little background on myself befor=
e I comment, I used to be on the docs team back in 2008 - 2009. I retired f=
rom the team to take on some other aspects of the Joomla project.</div><div=
><br></div><div>I can definitely appreciate the time and energy spent in cr=
eating and working on the docs site. having created many of the docs as a p=
art of the GHOP program I know that the folks who have been working on the =
docs site, considering the task they are left with, they have done a great =
job thus far.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Recently someone said to me th=
at no one should control ideas. And I'm not insinuating that anyone is or h=
as here, but I think that it's a good reminder to remember that we're all t=
rying to do the best for the community and for the lesser joomla-head power=
 users.</div><div><br></div><div>Jon has done a lot of work on this and I t=
hink we can definitely respect and thank him for that. His ideas are great =
ideas and they take on a lot of the issues that the docs site is currently =
struggling with. I can understand the need for some of the features that Ch=
ris mentioned, such as versioning and transclusion, but it's important to n=
ot let the need for certain things like that get in the way of meeting a la=
rger goal: making the content usable.</div><div><br></div><div>With the Wik=
i we may have some great features like the versioning and transclusion, but=
 what good is it if the docs site is rendered nearly useless in the process=
? It seems to me that we may be stepping over a dollar to save a nickel the=
re, and I don't know if that tradeoff is worthwhile.</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>All in all, it's important to at least stay <i>open</i>&nbsp;to making s=
ome changes, and accept that there are other solutions out there.&nbsp;</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Chad<br><br>On Thursday, 22 March 2=
012 19:38:38 UTC-4, Jonathan Neubauer  wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">Noel,<div>This conversation is primarily happening between p=
eople who have spent hundreds, if not thousands of hours working for the Jo=
omla! Project.</div><div>While I definitely appreciate the work that everyo=
ne does, this is definitely an important discussion regardless of the outco=
me.</div><div>Without changes to some degree, the Joomla! documentation sit=
e will continue to be something thats hard to use, and hard to manage, no m=
atter how many times people update documentation.</div><div><br></div><div>=
So please, let us "work that out"</div><div><br></div><div>Respectfully,</d=
iv><div>Jon</div></blockquote></div>
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