Joomla! Platform Development Google Group

Transitioning to the Framework

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 23:59:24 UT

This is just a heads up for the next few steps in the process of
transitioning from Platform to Framework.

In the next day or so we'll closing this mailing list and making it
read-only. Any questions you have about the new Joomla Framework (using,
fixing, converting to, future vision, changes, etc) can be asked here:

Packagist keywords

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 22:44:13 UT

This might already be in the plans, but recommend adding a keyword of
joomla-framework-package to all of your packages to make it easier to
display a list.
[link]

CLI STDIN/STDOUT

klammer...@gmail.com (Roger Abt) — Sun, 24 Mar 2013 16:38:10 UT

Hi Folks
I wrote a little cli-app. No Problems so far on localhost (apache on windows), but it won't run on my hosting account (apche on linux).
I figured out, that's because the first if-statement in the contructor of JApplicationCli (wich is inherited from my cli class):
if (!defined('STDOUT') || !defined('STDIN') || !isset($_SERVER['argv']))

Joomla Answers (A Stack Exchange Proposal)

syb...@gmail.com (Nils Rückmann) — Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:25:30 UT

Hi, sorry for crossposting
([link]).
But for the case there are people which signed for the platform list only,
i thought it doesn't harm anybody.
We are trying to run a Joomla distribution of StackExchange and need as
many people as possible to get fast to beta phase and above.

FIG straw poll on interface standards

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sun, 17 Mar 2013 03:10:59 UT

FIG (the PHP Framework Interoperability Group) is doing another straw poll
on what the focus should be regarding the preparation of standard (PSR)
interfaces.

[link]

JHtmlTabs

georgejameswil...@googlemail.com (George Wilson) — Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:33:03 UT

Well having moaned and questioned enough - thought I should get some actual
code made as some kind of compensation - and the first thing that hit me
was that JHtmlTabs needs jQuery'ing. Now someone on SO the other day
punched up a beautiful plugin here:
[link]

Framework changes

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 20:44:07 UT

This point came from a CMS discussion and I think it is a good one to
consider.
If there are changes to a package that change it's API and result in new
deprecations that are not in the platform, how will that be handled?
Will there be a list? A place to go to track this?
Thanks

Re: [jcms] Why create Joomla Framework? It's 2013: use an existing Framework

paulb...@pobox.com (Paul D. Bain) — Thu, 14 Mar 2013 19:58:20 UT

Alex,

Discussions on this topic probably DO NOT belong on this mailing list
(ML), but on another, related ML: Joomla-Dev-Platform. I cc'd this reply
to that ML.

Sincerely,
Paul Bain

What to do with the Cache package

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Tue, 12 Mar 2013 21:36:34 UT

One of the backlog items for the Framework is to replace the existing Cache
package with Louis's work that he did some time ago. The issue is here:

[link]

Also, to set the scene, the FIG group has been talking for over a year now

query->dump() and query LIMIT?

danielsd...@yahoo.fr (Daniel D. / compojoom) — Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:08:39 UT

Hey guys!
I'm wondering why is query->dump() not returning the query LIMIT?
It is confusing sometimes not to know if we have select on the set of 30,60
or 90,120?

Ideas for the Framework to be done during Google Summer of Code 2013

javier.gomez.co...@gmail.com (Javier Gómez) — Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:21:36 UT

As you may know we are working yet in Google Summer of Code 2013:
[link]
. Google Summer of Code is a global program that offers post-secondary
student developers ages 18 and older stipends to write code for various

Concerns about the Joomla Platform/Framework?

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 23:25:47 UT

Call it what you will ;-), the Joomla Platform/Framework has powered the
CMS for years and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
I encourage those with concerns about the future of the platform/framework
to please post in this email list and ask your questions.
To often, questions are asked of those who are not involved in the

Thanks Don Gilbert for publishing the Joomla Framework API

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 23:01:09 UT

Wanted to thank Don for publishing the Joomla Framework API
[link]
I know there are plans for a new API environment that will be exceptional -
but it's great to have access to the Joomla Framework API using
phpDocumentor 2. If you want to check it out for your work,

Jobs for the Framework

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sat, 09 Mar 2013 02:56:38 UT

If anyone is having a rainy weekend, here's a nice easy one:

[link]

There are quite a few easy tasks in the backlog is anyone wants to pick
them up, particularly relating to fixing the namespacing references and
examples in the current README files.

Platform is being re-named to "Framework" -- V. important

paulb...@pobox.com (Paul D. Bain) — Fri, 08 Mar 2013 22:09:42 UT

Please see my remarks below.

OK. That is all well and good, but, in my opinion, this extraordinarily
important announcement probably should have been made in a _NEW_ thread
of discussion (ToD), rather than being buried in the ToD started on 28
February when Matt Thomas asked, "Differences between Joomla Framework &

Cache standards

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 07:51:49 UT

PHP-FIG is currently discussing a number of alternative cache standards.

[link]

If you are interested in participating in any of these conversations,
please feel free.

Regards,
Andrew Eddie

Logging and PSR-3

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:12:23 UT

I just want to get an opinion on what to do with the old JLog in the
Framework and PSR-3.

Firstly, I think it's worth the FW using PSR-3 in terms of consuming
loggers. But that means we should upgrade Log to use it. The downside is
there is enough difference between the way we do a log message and how

Differences between Joomla Framework & Joomla Platform

m...@betweenbrain.com (Matt Thomas) — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 19:06:57 UT

Hi all,
This may be a rather naive question, but what is the difference between
the Joomla Framework & Joomla Platform? I do see the Joomla Framework as
being described as being experimental, and Joomla being a Vendor in the
framework. Is this just where the namespacing and the new MVC might happen,

Issue backend component development 3.0

clemans...@gmail.com (clemles) — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:27:17 UT

i'm developing a component MVC in Joomla 3.0 but was in face to an issue in the backend.
When i try to go in the action to add an item with the HelperToolbar I have an issue with core.js line 4
Chrome says : "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'task' of null "
However i have form in views/Products/tmpl/default.ph p

We need help composing ourselves

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Thu, 28 Feb 2013 07:50:27 UT

So, we've done up a bit of a list of to-do's for what we need to do to get
the Framework to version 1.0. We might be missing a few things but there's
quite a bit to do.

[link]

Some things are obviously for us on the admin side, but there are a few

Load jInput failed

vic...@doxadigital.com (Viktor Iwan) — Tue, 26 Feb 2013 08:58:58 UT

Hello,
i'm trying to load jInput Object in My Platform apps, but failed, i already
add:
require JPATH_BASE.'/libraries/joomla/ application/input.php';
$jinput = JFactory::getApplication()->in put;
$foo = $jinput->get('test', 'yes', 'string');
it returns error "*Fatal error*: Call to a member function get() on a

API documentation ideas

chris.davenp...@joomla.org (Chris Davenport) — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 19:48:10 UT

I want to gather some ideas about what we want to see from the developer
documentation and more specifically the API documentation, in the next year
or so. We've had several attempts at providing some sort of API
documentation over the past years, with mixed results. I think the time
has come to take a look at what our ideal API documentation would look like

Decoupling platform language files from CMS

pkoniec...@hotmail.com (piotr_cz) — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:46:57 UT

Joomla Platform is using JText probably in all of it's packages, but
language files belong to CMS at the moment.

To use it, one has to Install Joomla CMS, than desired language
package and copy some files to application that's running on the
platform.

Besides library language file ($lang.lib_joomla.ini) is not being

Jira and next PLT meeting

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sun, 24 Feb 2013 03:05:23 UT

Hi all. We have a PLT meeting next week (about 30 hours away).

First, I need to make a report on the Jira status. Can anyone fill me in on
where it's at? It was sort of born out of the idea of helping people work
out what they could do to help out. Is that still a problem or have people
"worked it out"? I'm happy to back up anyone that wants to continue with

Memcache fixes, SessionNone Changes

joomla+2...@gary.mort.net (Gary Mort) — Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:51:19 UT

There is a bug in the current memcache session handlers where session
handler configuration was changed to use a multi-dimensional array for
future migration to multiple servers, but the register function expects the
data to be in the prior format. I originally submitted a much larger
session change pull request, but then found out much of what I wrote was

Caching JRoute

eiirc.s...@gmail.com (eiirc) — Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:57:36 UT

I profiled my website, that has SEF enabled, and found out an average 15 % of the time rendering a page was spent inside JRoute::_(). The main reason is that some of the components go all the way via multiple SQL queries just to make the URL pretty.
As I have APC installed, I threw in a 5-minute caching of every URL that passes through the function. It really boosted my page generation time! Will you consider putting a cache mechanism like this in the core?

The Joomla Platform and Composer

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:52:49 UT

A few of us have been talking about the future of the Platform and how to
manage it, particular as we are approaching a massive change to
namespacing. In addition, one of the goals this year is to work out
deprecation policies and such. It’s also obvious, looking at the PHP world,
that Composer and Packagist are settling in to stay.

defined('SIGHUP') for Cli check

fastsl...@gmail.com (Matias Aguirre) — Mon, 04 Feb 2013 20:09:16 UT

Hi all,
Im using defined('SIGHUP') to check if one class is running on CLI or WEB,
but some users are reporting that defined('SIGHUP') is returning TRUE on
some web enviroments, so the questions is what is the best way to determine
if some class is working on WEB or CLI?
Example:
/**
* Check if the class is called from CLI

Good article from PHP Master on Dependency Injection

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Wed, 30 Jan 2013 11:47:40 UT

Over the past several weeks, there have been a number of discussions about
how to decouple platform packages and why that matters. For that reason, I
wanted to pass along an article that gets at the basics. Pimple is roughly
the equivalent of JRegistry, so as you read the article, keep that in mind.

Mrs. Jenkins died on New Year's Eve :(

der.el.k...@gmail.com (Nikolai Plath) — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 23:21:10 UT

Apparently Mrs. Jenkins from [link] went to
a party on new year's eve and never came back...
I just tried to figure out why my master branch clone is not in sync with
the staging branch on GitHub, when I realized that the master branch on
GitHub isn't either ;)
I am not sure if the last commit on 31 Dec 2012 made by elkuku seriously

How to implement JQuery Masonry Infinite Scroll for Adsense Plcement?

sid.child...@gmail.com (Sid Childers) — Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:05:01 UT

Hi,
I have been asked to use the JA Wall template on a site that must be monetized with Adsense. I created a Custom HTML with the Adsense script. However, I cannot figure out how to randomly drop in this module in the wall stream? We do not want to use the corner stamp position, but rather intersperse the Adsense into the article tiles. Can this be done, and how?

Joomla with NuoDB

djshu...@heavennyc.com (alon1205) — Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:38:16 UT

Please place this thread to the appropriate location if I misplaced it.
I have been using Joomla for some time now and plan on upgrading all the websites to version 3 as well.
But here is my question and if someone can contribute to it, it will be amazing. I can even provide resources if needed.
Not so long ago we (Our company do a cloud hosting) got a successful story of setting up a client with .NET application using NuoDB as a back end. For us - administrators, it is a major breakthrough, as NuoDB, while being a standard SQL server a lot easier to maintain and support.

Re: [jplatform] Abridged summary of joomla-dev-platform@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic

pe...@nonumber.nl (NoNumber (Peter van Westen)) — Mon, 21 Jan 2013 12:18:08 UT

OAuth 1.0 and 1.0a client

diana.praje...@gmail.com (Diana Maria Prajescu) — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:20:38 UT

Hello everyone,
I have this PR <[link]> opened
for 6 months now and I haven't got too much feedback on it, maybe I
should've been more insistent in order to get your attention. Anyway it
seems to me that it won't be merged it the current form and I would really

Move JDocument to legacy tree. Not a Deprecation.

dilbert4l...@gmail.com (Donald Gilbert) — Wed, 16 Jan 2013 03:57:58 UT

[link]
// copied from the PR. Please comment there.
JDocument is so heavily tied to the CMS that it is difficult to use outside
of the CMS in it's current state. With the massive namespace effort, I felt
it would be appropriate to move JDocument to legacy, and preserve it there

Bootstrapping (J! Platform with J! CMS)

nestorle...@gmail.com (Nestor Ledon) — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:08:30 UT

Trying to get started with the latest Joomla! Platform. I've been following
the documentation here: [link]
My application will have some interactions with J! CMS:
- Login Authentication - Previously *JAuthentication*:
libraries/joomla/user/authenti cation.php
- Front-End View

JFile issue

mpproe...@gmail.com (Mario) — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:18:19 UT

Hi,
In the JFile class > delete() method (joomla.fylesystem.file), imho, should
be implemented a security check before chmod 777 while trying to delete a
file. What might happen is that if the path given in delete($file) points
to the root directory, it does chmod 777 on the directory, which results in

JForm and JFormField proposals / improvements

syb...@googlemail.com (Nils Rückmann) — Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:53:19 UT

Hi, i really like JForm, but i think there is still room for improvements.
One thing i never understood is why we have no (with a few exceptions)
possibilities to manipulate a form.
So my first proposals:
1) Today it's not possible to get the XML of JForm or JFormField, but there
are many situations where you need to know more

Fix for installing extensions directly from a dynamic URL

werbema...@bakual.ch (Bakual) — Sun, 13 Jan 2013 09:36:02 UT

Currently in Joomla 3.0.2 you can't install an extension directly from an
URL, if said URL is dynamically created using a tool like ARS or
cTransifex. It only works if the URL is pointing to the real file or has a
valid filename behind the latest slash. Stuff like
'[link]

What does de-coupling packages specifically mean?

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 05:07:19 UT

There has been general agreement on the need to uncouple Joomla packages
within JPlatform. When combined with all of the CMS logic and data models
within the platform (ex. Caching, Language, MVC, Table classes, queries
that identify names of fields from the CMS, and so on, it becomes quite
difficult to use JPlatform to create an application that doesn't look or

CodeSniffer - Each PHP statement must be ona line by itself

br...@totalpropaganda.com (Bruno Batista) — Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:29:39 UT

I get some messages when use in the same line more than 1 php code.
To solve that I add in ruleset.xml this code:
< rule ref="Generic.Formatting.Disall owMultipleStatements.SameLine" >
< severity>0
< /rule>
I use PHP_CodeSniffer version 1.4.3.
I could make a request to update the file ruleset.xml, or it would not be

create application object on top of cms failed

vic...@doxadigital.com (Viktor Iwan) — Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:46:56 UT

Hello, i'm new to jplatform.
At the moment, i want to build some script with joomla cms as the
fondation, here's my bootstrap
=================
define('JPATH_BASE', dirname(dirname(dirname(__FILE __))));
define('JPATH_SITE', JPATH_BASE);
define('JPATH_ADMINISTRATOR', JPATH_BASE.'/administrator/');
define('JPATH_INSTALLATION', JPATH_BASE.'/installation/');

PHP-FIG and the Joomla Platform

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Sun, 06 Jan 2013 02:38:45 UT

Some of you are aware of the PHP Framework Interoperability Group.

[link]

This is a nobel initiative but one that can consume an enormous amount of
time, and even more patience. On that basis, to keep the workload of the
voting member, aka me, to a minimum (I just don't have enough of me to go

Watching the Joomla Platform repository

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:23:16 UT

I just want to remind people that this mailing list is not the only place
where things are discussed. You should consider "watching" the Joomla
Platform repository [link] and make
appropriate adjustments to your notification settings.

We've also had the practice of double-posting on the mailing list (that is,

Define and ratify the deprecation strategy for the Platform

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:31:56 UT

Coming from [link]

We really need to put down in writing our deprecation strategy for the
Platform. We don't following semantic versioning like the CMS so the
current development strategy doesn't really cover what we do in the
platform. However, we need to deal with deprecation consistently.

TODOs and Milestones

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:28:01 UT

We have a lot going on at the moment so in parallel with people working on
Jira I've started an adhoc TODO list on the issues list.

[link]

Now, only maintainers can label and assign a milestone so if you want to
add your own you could add an issue and prefix it with "TODO [X.Y]" where

Filesystem package

amystep...@gmail.com (Amy Stephen) — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 03:02:08 UT

Are there plans to replace or update the Filesystem package? A while back,
Christophe shared a new package but I guess it didn't get the support it
needed since it wasn't moved into core. I've heard with newer capabilities
in PHP for file services, there are other plans for a package replacement.

less compiler library

andy.ta...@gmail.com (Andreas Tasch) — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 22:07:44 UT

Hi,
as discussed on the CMS list (twitter bootstrap discussion) a less compiler
library provided by the platform may be a good idea. Thread for reference:
[link]
I don't mind if I adapt my plugin or we use a existing solution (I think

LGPL Survey Results

mambob...@gmail.com (Andrew Eddie) — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:44:05 UT

Well, the survey period is over and I've tallied the results:

[link]

We got 113 responses. That number should give us a 5-10% margin of error on
the results (as far as I can tell, yes, we have a statistically
representative sample).

Joomla Namespace Proposal

dilbert4l...@gmail.com (Donald Gilbert) — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 02:13:56 UT

With 12.3 released and 13.x being worked on, I would like to continue the
namespace conversation; mainly - what the namespace structure will be.
I want to start by saying that I don't think PSR-0 is the way to go for
Joomla, although we can get close to that. What I really want to stay clear
of is the using _ in the class name to indicate a new sub directory. I like