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Ove  
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 More options Jul 24 2012, 2:31 pm
From: Ove <tobby.eriks...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:31:16 +0200
Local: Tues, Jul 24 2012 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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A weird idea (Joomla 1.6+),
wouldn't it be possible to use JText::_($mystring) or a derivate and
then use the Joomla language overrides for the translations?
The user then only has to know how to add an override for his string

Ove

Sam Moffatt skrev 24.07.2012 18:02:


 
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Nick Savov  
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 More options Jul 24 2012, 8:10 pm
From: "Nick Savov" <n...@iowawebcompany.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:10:03 -0500
Local: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:10 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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It's possible.

To this email, I'm attaching a zipped file of the admin languages view for
OSDownloads
(http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/directory-a-documentation/dow...)
which has this feature.

Hope this helps!

You can see a demo of the feature in action at
http://joomla.ostraining.net/administrator/index.php?option=com_osdow...
using the username "demo" and password "demo".

I'd like to see this added to the Joomla core as an option for developers
to use, so please submit it as a feature for Joomla 3.0 if you decide to
use it.  That will save you from having to maintain the code for all your
extensions and will also add a very worth-while contribution to the Joomla
Community.

Kind regards,
Nick

p.s. Another extension that does this is Documents Seller:
http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/e-commerce/paid-downloads/5000

  languages_view_for_OSDownloads.zip
3K Download

 
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Discussion subject changed to "Joomla GPL Extensions and Removal of Backlinks" by elin
elin  
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 More options Jul 24 2012, 8:52 pm
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 17:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jul 24 2012 8:52 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Joomla GPL Extensions and Removal of Backlinks
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I wasn't going to post in this thread but since it won't die. ..

If you read the GPL and particularly GPL3 it says that "appropriate legal
notices" may not be removed or added without the permission of the original
copyright holder. The Joomla project displays the GPL as part of the
installation procedure for the Joomla CMS. That means You may not remove
that display even if you fork Joomla and distribute it as a GPL application
under your own name unless you get specific permission to do so from OSM.
You also may not add new notices without specific permission to do so and
you may not mandate that others include such notices. The Joomla project
has always taken the position that after installation the GPL information
only has to be retained in the source code of each individual file, not
visibly in the application and therefore no matter what an extension
developer does those are the rules that apply unless a specific exception
is granted.

Elin


 
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 More options Jul 25 2012, 4:19 am
From: JM Simonet <infograf...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:19:26 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 25 2012 4:19 am
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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In this specific case, we get into an issue with
plurals depending on languages.
I.e. as you should use
  JText::plural('MY_CONSTANT_WHATEVER', $myvariable)
The strings constants may differ depending on languages.

--------------English
public static function getPluralSuffixes($count) {
                if ($count == 0) {
                        $return =  array('0');
                }
                elseif($count == 1) {
                        $return =  array('1');
                }
                else {
                        $return = array('MORE');
                }
                return $return;
        }
will need 3 constants
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_0="No banner successfully checked in"
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_1="%d banner successfully checked in"
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_MORE="%d
banners successfully checked in"

------------------Scottish
public static function getPluralSuffixes($count) {
                if ($count == 0 || $count > 19) {
             $return =  array('0');
         }
         elseif($count == 1 || $count == 11) {
                $return =  array('1');
         }
         elseif($count == 2 || $count == 12) {
                $return =  array('2');
            }
            elseif(($count > 2 && $count < 12) ||
($count > 12 && $count < 19)) {
                 $return =  array('FEW');
                }
                return $return;

will need 4 constants with different suffixes
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_0
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_1
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_2
COM_BANNERS_BANNERS_N_ITEMS_CHECKED_IN_FEW

Hope it helps.

JM

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shumisha  
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 More options Jul 25 2012, 12:28 pm
From: shumisha <shumi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 09:28:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 25 2012 12:28 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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Hi

@parvus, Imanol, Sam Moffat and Jean-Marie: this thread is about GPL and
backlink removal. Please create a new thread for your discussion about
multilingual support for extensions here. Thanks.

@Thomas Papin: please read the complete GPL license. Forbidding removal of
copyright notices in the output of the program, as mentionned previously by
Elin and Myself is done in paragraph 2.c of GPL version 2 and paragraph 5.d
of GPL version 3.

Simply put: you cannot remove a copyright notice if there is already one,
unless you have agreement from previous copyright owner(s) - with an s: if
there are several copyright owners, you need approval from those owners you
want to remove the copyright notice in the program visible output.

Contrary to Elin however, I don't read in that paragraph that you are not
allowed to add your own notices. The actual text in version 2 is:

*c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run,
you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the
most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an
appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or
else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute
the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy
of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does
not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is
not required to print an announcement.) *

Rgds


 
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parvus  
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 More options Jul 25 2012, 4:58 pm
From: parvus <par...@operamail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:58:12 +0200
Local: Wed, Jul 25 2012 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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Thank you Nick, Ove, Jm, all.

@Jm Yes, this is indeed a concern, especially since sprintf is used, and  
not something like '{0}'.format() from Python or String.Format from C# or  
..

For me personally, Ove's suggestion looks very simple, and suitable for my  
content plugin (it already contains enough code as it is now...). I think  
I'll follow that path.

Thanks!


 
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elin  
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 More options Jul 25 2012, 6:44 pm
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:44:39 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jul 25 2012 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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Version 3:

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Valandis  
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 More options Jul 26 2012, 2:50 am
From: Valandis <valandi...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 26 2012 2:50 am
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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+1 for the creation of another thread regarding "multilingual support for
extensions". I tried to explain to parvus and Nick Savov before, but they
misunderstood me I suppose.

As it regards the topic I started a while ago, I see there isn't a solid
answer to my first question. I see people understand the GPL differently
than others. I myself, see it as Elin does and Thomas does. I believe only
copyright notices that are found inside the source should be kept intact,
but not visible ones.

Read what Matt Lipscomb posted up there and I find it absolutely correct:

> 2)  All backlinks may be removed from an extension - that's the point of
> opensource software - you can modify it however you like.  The copyright
> notice from the developer in the *source code* must be left in tact - but
> otherwise - do as you wish with it.

Best


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Joomla GPL Extensions and Removal of Backlinks" by shumisha
shumisha  
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 More options Jul 26 2012, 5:42 am
From: shumisha <shumi...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 02:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jul 26 2012 5:42 am
Subject: Re: [jgen] Joomla GPL Extensions and Removal of Backlinks
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Hi

I will try contact them directly to make this hijacking stop.

@Elin, thanks. I don't see how the text you quoted prevent you from adding
your own notices. Actually, it doesn't change the terms of GPL 2 or 3 which
*forces* you to add visible copyright notices, and only talk about a few
additional restrictions you are allowed to add to the license terms, plus
the fact that you can remove any "restricting" terms that a previous
contributor may have added. Anyway, I think better leave this topic off for
now, as this thread is already extremely and unfortunately very confusing.

@valandis: I think the answer is pretty solid, if one just read the license
either in version 2 or 3. What Matt Lipscomb says in the paragraph you
quoted is not correct.
Paragraph 2.c og GPL version 2 says:

*c) If the modified program normally reads commands interactively when run,
you must cause it, when started running for such interactive use in the
most ordinary way, to print or display an announcement including an
appropriate copyright notice and a notice that there is no warranty (or
else, saying that you provide a warranty) and that users may redistribute
the program under these conditions, and telling the user how to view a copy
of this License. (Exception: if the Program itself is interactive but does
not normally print such an announcement, your work based on the Program is
not required to print an announcement.) *

This paragraph explicitely prevent anyone from removing a copyright notice
in the *visible output* of a GPL-licensed program. The well-known "keep the
source code copyright notice but do as you wish with the rest of the code"
is just a common-language approximation, but the license does put a (at
least one) restriction on what you can do with the source code, and that is
you cannot cause the removal of visible copyright notice if there are any.

 As previously stated, GPL version 3 has the same provision in paragraph
5.d.

Rgds

Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 08:50:42 UTC+2, Valandis a écrit :


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Multi-lingual support for extensions" by Nick Savov
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 More options Jul 27 2012, 12:51 pm
From: "Nick Savov" <n...@iowawebcompany.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:51:23 -0500
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2012 12:51 pm
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I understood you after your clarification.

I check these within my email client and the subject is simply "[jgen]
Multi-lingual support for extensions", so it's hard to know whether
someone else has created a new topic or added onto another one and changed
the subject.

Kind regards,
Nick


 
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 More options Jul 27 2012, 2:44 pm
From: Sam Moffatt <pasa...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:44:47 -0700
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2012 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: [jgen] Multi-lingual support for extensions
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With any luck Google Groups will update their threading to be inline
with GMail's ability to detect when someone rewrites the entire email
and intelligently start a new thread. Unfortunately Google Groups
seems to be the abandoned child and they're only interested in badly
updating the UI to make it less usable and more frustrating. Long live
deja news.

Cheers,

Sam Moffatt
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