On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 12:26 AM, AJH <aaron.hu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI in the
> backend is a huge improvement.
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Clearly a lot of effort has been put into this release.
From installation on it looks and feels up to date and responsive, I'm
pleasantly surprised, huge progress.
Only my own extension looks like .., I guess I'll have to dig into bootstrap
this weekend.
Alfred
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Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI in the
backend is a huge improvement.
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I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed by the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't say I am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I think there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published and red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same for the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star for the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know which one was the default.
Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling. When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section in its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need to scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not helpful, that's just annoying.
And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu with no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I never look at them!
Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a user interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or designer friendly ! :)
> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed by > the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't say I > am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I think > there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published and > red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same for > the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star for > the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for > the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know which > one was the default.
> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling. > When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section in > its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need to > scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not > helpful, that's just annoying.
> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu with > no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and > recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I never > look at them!
> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a user > interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement > and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or > designer friendly ! :)
> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote: > > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI in > > the backend is a huge improvement. --
It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome!
Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is
impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back to the
top!
Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of effective
space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear
indicators, for example default options, default templates. active
elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours adding, as in
previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samirabul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less vertical scrolling
> needed, and its perfect.
> I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work everyone!
> Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
>> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed by
>> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't say I
>> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I think
>> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published and
>> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same for
>> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star for
>> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for
>> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know which
>> one was the default.
>> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling.
>> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section in
>> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need to
>> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not
>> helpful, that's just annoying.
>> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu with
>> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and
>> recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I never
>> look at them!
>> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a user
>> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement
>> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or
>> designer friendly ! :)
>> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote:
>> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI in
>> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
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I think we're still thinking about what the default modules should be on the dashboard ... and remember they are modules so you can unpublish them and replace them with whatever modules you find useful. I would like to think about changing the default most recent articles to your own most recent articles, but in general I usually make a custom html module for the cpanel space that gives information to my back end users.
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, ms wrote:
> It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome! > Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is > impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back to the > top!
> Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of effective > space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear > indicators, for example default options, default templates. active > elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours adding, as in > previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samira...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > > I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less vertical scrolling > > needed, and its perfect.
> > I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work everyone!
> > Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
> >> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed by > >> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't say > I > >> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I think > >> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published > and > >> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same for > >> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star for > >> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for > >> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know which > >> one was the default.
> >> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling. > >> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section in > >> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need to > >> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not > >> helpful, that's just annoying.
> >> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu > with > >> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and > >> recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I never > >> look at them!
> >> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a user > >> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement > >> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or > >> designer friendly ! :)
> >> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote: > >> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI in > >> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
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Hi,
aren't you thinking too much on professionals or semi professionals? I guess most of the Joomla users choose Joomla from a provider site. i.e. run and go after selecting a template from a selection. From there other templates and extensions are choosen also from the JED. This means do not anticipate that "normal" users are able to override any views. Or Joomla is going professional.
> I think we're still thinking about what the default modules should be > on the dashboard ... and remember they are modules so you can > unpublish them and replace them with whatever modules you find useful. > I would like to think about changing the default most recent > articles to your own most recent articles, but in general I usually > make a custom html module for the cpanel space that gives information > to my back end users.
> Elin
> On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, ms wrote:
> It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome!
> Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is
> impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back to the
> top!
> Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of effective
> space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear
> indicators, for example default options, default templates. active
> elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours adding, as in
> previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samira...@gmail.com
> <javascript:>> wrote:
> > I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less vertical
> scrolling
> > needed, and its perfect.
> > I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work everyone!
> > Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
> >> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm
> impressed by
> >> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I
> can't say I
> >> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but
> I think
> >> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for
> published and
> >> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the
> same for
> >> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow
> star for
> >> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey
> star for
> >> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't
> know which
> >> one was the default.
> >> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical
> scrolling.
> >> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each
> section in
> >> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I
> need to
> >> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right.
> That's not
> >> helpful, that's just annoying.
> >> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical
> menu with
> >> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular
> articles and
> >> recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists,
> I never
> >> look at them!
> >> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making
> a user
> >> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for
> improvement
> >> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not
> programmer or
> >> designer friendly ! :)
> >> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote:
> >> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and
> the UI in
> >> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
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I'm not sure if you were addressing me but unpublishing a module is a standard thing for a beginning Joomla webmaster to learn how to do. You are right though, it's important to remember that from all the evidence that I at least have seen most Joomla webmasters are not going to make modifications to their administrator--they are really focused on the front end of their sites.
@ms will you please put your chrome issue in the tracker? Is anyone else having that?
On Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:55:01 AM UTC-4, over wrote:
> Hi, > aren't you thinking too much on professionals or semi professionals? I > guess most of the Joomla users choose Joomla from a provider site. i.e. > run and go after selecting a template from a selection. From there other > templates and extensions are choosen also from the JED. This means do not > anticipate that "normal" users are able to override any views. Or Joomla is > going professional.
> Ove
> elin skrev 19.08.2012 02:45:
> I think we're still thinking about what the default modules should be on > the dashboard ... and remember they are modules so you can unpublish them > and replace them with whatever modules you find useful. I would like to > think about changing the default most recent articles to your own most > recent articles, but in general I usually make a custom html module for the > cpanel space that gives information to my back end users.
> Elin
> On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, ms wrote:
>> It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome! >> Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is >> impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back to the >> top!
>> Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of effective >> space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear >> indicators, for example default options, default templates. active >> elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours adding, as in >> previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samira...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less vertical scrolling >> > needed, and its perfect.
>> > I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work everyone!
>> > Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
>> >> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed >> by >> >> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't say >> I >> >> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I >> think >> >> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published >> and >> >> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same >> for >> >> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star for >> >> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for >> >> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know >> which >> >> one was the default.
>> >> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling. >> >> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section >> in >> >> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need to >> >> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not >> >> helpful, that's just annoying.
>> >> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu >> with >> >> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and >> >> recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I >> never >> >> look at them!
>> >> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a user >> >> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement >> >> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or >> >> designer friendly ! :)
>> >> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote: >> >> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI >> in >> >> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
>> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups >> > "Joomla! General Development" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web, visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/joomla-dev-general/-/Tqu7VQFCsLUJ. >> > To post to this group, send an email to joomla-de...@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > joomla-dev-general+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/joomla-dev-general?hl=en-GB.
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Hi Elin,
I addressed all with my comment. I've read a lot about the need of flexibility for the backend template and I do not really agree. A strict best practice for components would be the best. i.e. leave the styling to the right half of your brain and the coding to the left half. If possible, do not mix it.. This can best be achieved through com_content and com_contacts without overrides. The tutorial Hello World is also important.
The same for front end but not that strict.
Means: leave the styling to the template as far as possible and ultimately skip the extension Css.
> I'm not sure if you were addressing me but unpublishing a module is a > standard thing for a beginning Joomla webmaster to learn how to do.
> You are right though, it's important to remember that from all the > evidence that I at least have seen most Joomla webmasters are not > going to make modifications to their administrator--they are really > focused on the front end of their sites.
> @ms will you please put your chrome issue in the tracker? Is anyone > else having that?
> Elin
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:55:01 AM UTC-4, over wrote:
> Hi,
> aren't you thinking too much on professionals or semi
> professionals? I guess most of the Joomla users choose Joomla
> from a provider site. i.e. run and go after selecting a template
> from a selection. From there other templates and extensions are
> choosen also from the JED. This means do not anticipate that
> "normal" users are able to override any views. Or Joomla is going
> professional.
> Ove
> elin skrev 19.08.2012 02:45:
>> I think we're still thinking about what the default modules
>> should be on the dashboard ... and remember they are modules so
>> you can unpublish them and replace them with whatever modules you
>> find useful. I would like to think about changing the default
>> most recent articles to your own most recent articles, but in
>> general I usually make a custom html module for the cpanel space
>> that gives information to my back end users.
>> Elin
>> On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, ms wrote:
>> It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome!
>> Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is
>> impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back
>> to the
>> top!
>> Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of
>> effective
>> space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear
>> indicators, for example default options, default templates.
>> active
>> elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours
>> adding, as in
>> previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samira...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less
>> vertical scrolling
>> > needed, and its perfect.
>> > I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work
>> everyone!
>> > Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
>> >> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm
>> impressed by
>> >> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But
>> I can't say I
>> >> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still
>> Alpha, but I think
>> >> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for
>> published and
>> >> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's
>> the same for
>> >> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a
>> yellow star for
>> >> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark
>> grey star for
>> >> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I
>> didn't know which
>> >> one was the default.
>> >> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical
>> scrolling.
>> >> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with
>> each section in
>> >> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section
>> and I need to
>> >> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right.
>> That's not
>> >> helpful, that's just annoying.
>> >> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring
>> vertical menu with
>> >> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular
>> articles and
>> >> recently added articles. I really don't care about these
>> lists, I never
>> >> look at them!
>> >> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know
>> making a user
>> >> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for
>> improvement
>> >> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not
>> programmer or
>> >> designer friendly ! :)
>> >> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote:
>> >> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday
>> and the UI in
>> >> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
>> > --
>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the
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>> > "Joomla! General Development" group.
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On Sunday, August 19, 2012 12:59:38 PM UTC-4, over wrote:
> Hi Elin, > I addressed all with my comment. I've read a lot about the need of > flexibility for the backend template and I do not really agree. A strict > best practice for components would be the best. i.e. leave the styling to > the right half of your brain and the coding to the left half. If possible, > do not mix it.. This can best be achieved through com_content and > com_contacts without overrides. The tutorial Hello World is also important.
> The same for front end but not that strict.
> Means: leave the styling to the template as far as possible and ultimately > skip the extension Css.
> Regards > Ove
> elin skrev 19.08.2012 16:08:
> I'm not sure if you were addressing me but unpublishing a module is a > standard thing for a beginning Joomla webmaster to learn how to do. > You are right though, it's important to remember that from all the > evidence that I at least have seen most Joomla webmasters are not going to > make modifications to their administrator--they are really focused on the > front end of their sites.
> @ms will you please put your chrome issue in the tracker? Is anyone else > having that?
> Elin
> On Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:55:01 AM UTC-4, over wrote:
>> Hi, >> aren't you thinking too much on professionals or semi professionals? I >> guess most of the Joomla users choose Joomla from a provider site. i.e. >> run and go after selecting a template from a selection. From there other >> templates and extensions are choosen also from the JED. This means do not >> anticipate that "normal" users are able to override any views. Or Joomla is >> going professional.
>> Ove
>> elin skrev 19.08.2012 02:45:
>> I think we're still thinking about what the default modules should be on >> the dashboard ... and remember they are modules so you can unpublish them >> and replace them with whatever modules you find useful. I would like to >> think about changing the default most recent articles to your own most >> recent articles, but in general I usually make a custom html module for the >> cpanel space that gives information to my back end users.
>> Elin
>> On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:27:56 PM UTC-4, ms wrote:
>>> It looks really good and works great, except in Chrome! >>> Edit a user profile, on the "Assigned User Groups" tab it is >>> impossible to scroll down as the page immediately jump back to the >>> top!
>>> Would also agree with the previous comments about lack of effective >>> space resulting in far too much scrolling and the lack of clear >>> indicators, for example default options, default templates. active >>> elements etc. It needs some clear traffic light colours adding, as in >>> previous versions, rather than using 2 shades of grey please.
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:17 PM, JSamir <samira...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I felt exactly the same. Some more "colors" and less vertical >>> scrolling >>> > needed, and its perfect.
>>> > I'm really impressed by the new 3.0 release, nice work everyone!
>>> > Am Sonntag, 19. August 2012 00:58:01 UTC+2 schrieb meloman:
>>> >> I just installed 3.0 to see how it looked like. So far I'm impressed >>> by >>> >> the installation process. Very clean, modern and easy! But I can't >>> say I >>> >> am by the administrator interface. I know it's still Alpha, but I >>> think >>> >> there's too much black and grey. I'm used to see green for published >>> and >>> >> red for unpublished. Now it's only a black check box. It's the same >>> for >>> >> the default icon in the template manager. Instead of a yellow star >>> for >>> >> the default and a grey star for the others, it's a dark grey star for >>> >> the default and a light grey for the rest. At first I didn't know >>> which >>> >> one was the default.
>>> >> Also, I think there's too much tabs and too much vertical scrolling. >>> >> When I edit a user, in 2.5 all is on the same page with each section >>> in >>> >> its own field set. In 3.0 there's a tab for each section and I need >>> to >>> >> scroll down with a lot of wasted empty space on the right. That's not >>> >> helpful, that's just annoying.
>>> >> And why get rid of the quick icons? Now it's a boring vertical menu >>> with >>> >> no colour and all the center area is used by the popular articles and >>> >> recently added articles. I really don't care about these lists, I >>> never >>> >> look at them!
>>> >> Don't get me wrong, I love the bootstrap look and I know making a >>> user >>> >> interface is not an easy task. But there's still room for improvement >>> >> and we must keep in mind it must be user friendly, not programmer or >>> >> designer friendly ! :)
>>> >> On 2012-08-18 00:26, AJH wrote: >>> >> > Kudos on the alpha 2 release. Played with it yesterday and the UI >>> in >>> >> > the backend is a huge improvement. --
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