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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Oct 30 2012, 12:09 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2012 12:09 pm
Subject: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

Hi,

I work on a french project where I have to set a usergroup for each state (département). In France we have 97 states but it seems that there's a limit for Joomla UserGoups and subgroups. In fact if I set my 97 usergroups, I can't record changes in configuration panel, set a plugin, etc..

Do you confirm that there's a limit for usergroup in Joomla ?
Thx for answers


 
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Mark Dexter  
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 More options Oct 30 2012, 12:56 pm
From: Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:56:50 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2012 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?
What exactly happens? The problem is likely in the user interface, not
in the actual processing. We need to have a better interface to handle
this type of situation. Mark


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Oct 30 2012, 1:56 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2012 1:56 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

What happens ? I can't set Joomla by the backend configuration panel and for some extensions my changes are not recorded, the same settings are displayed after the refresh.

I have a site cloned on another host and I try a lot of things, and one time I try to delete my udergroup. Immediatly Joomla backend works fine.
I saw a post in the forum who was talking about a limit of sub-group (http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=579&t=724084), that's the reason why I ask for that to JM.Simonet who indicate me this workgroup.

Eric

Le mardi 30 octobre 2012 17:56:56 UTC+1, Mark Dexter a écrit :


 
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Sam Moffatt  
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 More options Oct 30 2012, 3:56 pm
From: Sam Moffatt <pasa...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:56:16 -0500
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2012 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?
From that error it looks like a JavaScript validator is taking too long and the browser is killing the script with a timeout problem. Strange that it should occur on pages without a group picker sort of control.

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On 30/10/2012, at 12:56 PM, Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Oct 30 2012, 9:39 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 30 2012 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

I have done some test on this project to find a solution, or at least
something to solve this problem.

I have 138 group and sub-group. If I delete groups I can change settings
ont the configuration if group number is less than 73. After that it works
normaly.

Eric

Le mardi 30 octobre 2012 20:56:31 UTC+1, Samuel Moffatt a écrit :


 
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Lapoux Sébastien  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 5:04 am
From: Lapoux Sébastien <sebastien.lap...@seblod.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:04:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 5:04 am
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

Bonjour Eric,

I thank you a lot :). We have meet the same limit when we tested SEBLOD
multisite, in this case for each site some user groups are created.
And we find the limitation to 73 too ;):
http://www.seblod.com/support/forum/105-General-Discussions/34926-Mul...

We have search a lot and clearly more on SEBLOD side, but impossible to
find anything false.

Hope that Joomla core team will find the solution.

Best Regards.


 
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Herman Peeren  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 8:01 am
From: Herman Peeren <herman.pee...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 05:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 8:01 am
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

In #__assets table the rules are stored in a rules-field of varchar(5120).
Maybe that is limiting you. You can try by augmenting that number (can be
up to 65535).

If I try to reason the 73 groups limit from  the 5120 field length limit:
when looking at the root asset, there are 9 actions in there by default,
which takes up a minimum of about 200 characters. The first 9 groups that
are added to those 9 actions take about 6 characters each, so that would be
9 * 9 * 6 characters. Leaving 4434 characters for the rest of the groups.
Each group that is added further (with 2 characters for the groupnumbers 10
+) takes about 7 characters. If they are filled in for all 9 actions you
could add another 70 groups (4434/63). Then I would end with 79 groups in
total before the filed is full. I probably have done some miscounting or
something, but it could be that the 5120 field length limit is a cause of
the trouble. I didn't test it though and it could have an entire other
cause. Just an idea.

Herman


 
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Donald Gilbert  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 9:36 am
From: Donald Gilbert <dilbert4l...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:36:28 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 9:36 am
Subject: Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

It could be a js problem from the validator not responding, or it could be
the assets table limiting the number of groups. Or it could be that your
server is limiting the amount of POST data it is able to receive.

I recently experienced the third possibility on a client site, where they
were submitting a form with so much data, that after they clicked submit,
it would just refresh the page - no action was taken. This page refresh
took about 3-5 seconds. If your page is locked up and not responding, this
is probably not the issue. However, if it is immediately refreshing, but
not saving the rules, then it's a possibility.


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 12:13 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:13:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

I set the rules to 65535 (mediumtext) and yes I can add another group but
no I can't set the configuration by the panel, after the clic on record I
have to wait five or six minutes and the refresh give me the last
configuration, without any change.

Le mercredi 31 octobre 2012 13:01:23 UTC+1, Herman Peeren a écrit :


 
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Donald Gilbert  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 12:42 pm
From: Donald Gilbert <dilbert4l...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 12:42 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

It sounds like a potential issue than like I was describing. Try increasing
max_post_size in your php.ini to the max you can (512M) and see if that
helps anything.


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Oct 31 2012, 9:58 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:58:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Oct 31 2012 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

I try with 512 but it changes nothing

Le mercredi 31 octobre 2012 17:42:29 UTC+1, Donald Gilbert a écrit :

> It sounds like a potential issue than like I was describing. Try
> increasing max_post_size in your php.ini to the max you can (512M) and see
> if that helps anything.

> On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:13:53 AM UTC-5, Eric Lamy wrote:

>> I set the rules to 65535 (mediumtext) and yes I can add another group but
>> no I can't set the configuration by the panel, after the clic on record I
>> have to wait five or six minutes and the refresh give me the last
>> configuration, without any change.

*Oups sorry, I mean five or six seconds of course*


 
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Ofer Cohen  
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 More options Nov 1 2012, 10:17 am
From: Ofer Cohen <oferc...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:17:24 +0200
Local: Thurs, Nov 1 2012 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

someone can publish db with this problem (obscure data before publish)?
this will help us to investigate this issue.
On 1 בנוב 2012 03:58, "Eric Lamy" <agence.age...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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elin  
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 More options Nov 1 2012, 11:36 am
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Nov 1 2012 11:36 am
Subject: Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

It would be great to get a sample groups table having this issue. I have
heard of sites with hundreds of groups but they may not be using this
particular UI.  Also, do you get the same issue when configuring a
component?

Global configuration uses user groups in two places, permissions and
filters. It would be good to figure out   for certain that it is the
permissions on which is causing the problem.

Elin

It could be a js problem from the validator not responding, or it could be


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Nov 1 2012, 4:27 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Nov 1 2012 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

I put in attanched files the usergroup table, hope it helps to understand
and to test. And yes I have this issue when I try to configure JDBexport or
Ohanah.

Eric

Le jeudi 1 novembre 2012 16:36:42 UTC+1, elin a écrit :

  20121101_usergroups.zip
3K Download

 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Nov 1 2012, 4:27 pm
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Nov 1 2012 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

you mean all database or only some tables ?

Le jeudi 1 novembre 2012 15:17:27 UTC+1, oc666 a écrit :


 
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Eric Lamy  
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 More options Nov 4 2012, 11:35 am
From: Eric Lamy <agence.age...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:35:30 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 4 2012 11:35 am
Subject: Re: [jcms] User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

Well i'm back on this subject because I can't find an issue to my problem.
Is there a possibility that asset table is wrong and block super admin
rules ? I suppose, I don't know if it's possible or not... In fact I can't
believe that I'm the first one who try to set more than 73 group and
sub-group with Joomla.

Le jeudi 1 novembre 2012 21:27:53 UTC+1, Eric Lamy a écrit :


 
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elin  
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 More options Nov 4 2012, 6:24 pm
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:24:21 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Nov 4 2012 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

THanks Eric, I am going to play around with this and I hope others will too.

Elin


 
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Thomas PAPIN  
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 More options Nov 4 2012, 8:21 pm
From: Thomas PAPIN <thomas.pa...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 01:56:16 +0100
Local: Sun, Nov 4 2012 7:56 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

Hello,

I tried to help Eric today. Here are the result of my tests :

- There are two kind of errors,
1 - The first error is linked to the formvalidator of Joomla 2.5. Which is
not able to manage large number of fields (138 groups so lot of
fields....). There is a javascript exception when you try to save the
configuration: The browser runs undefinitely, then it returns a random
error : media/system/js/validate-uncompressed.js:171
It's working great on chrome (very slow) but not working on Firefox at all.
I removed the use of formvalidator in the application.php on com_config,
and the error is out. So it's a workaround not a fix, but this at least can
help.

2- The change are not saved.
In fact, I noticed that the message "configuration saved" was not
displayed, and add a exit() at the beginning of the save function, with no
effect. so I had a brutal var_dump($_POST);exit() in the index.php of
administrator directory, and I can see that the $_POST doesn't contains the
task variable, so the controller cannot be called. Next step was to remove
"permissions tab", in this case, the form is saved ! so the issue is due to
the number of input in the form. So I decided to put at the beginning of
the form <input type="task"....> instead of the bottom, and the form can be
saved, but not all data form are saved.

I checked the PHP documentation, and I saw that for PHP 5.3 there is a
max_input_vars, but the value was set to 1000 , I did a test with 3000 but
still an issue.

Finally on a local server, with the same PHP version, I don't have the
error, the $_POST contains all the data.

Hope someone has some other ideas

2012/11/5 elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>


 
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Thomas PAPIN  
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 More options Nov 4 2012, 8:21 pm
From: Thomas PAPIN <thomas.pa...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 02:19:54 +0100
Local: Sun, Nov 4 2012 8:19 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] Re: User group limit with Joomla 2.5 ?

I found it, The server was installed with susohin patch
So need to add :
suhosin.post.max_vars = 3000
suhosin.request.max_vars = 3000

Now it's working.

Only the javascript point remaining for the joomla configuration page.

2012/11/5 Thomas PAPIN <thomas.pa...@gmail.com>


 
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