New alternative administrator template - Possible core include
udjamaflip
I'm pretty new to the way core development work but thought I'd come
in with a bang! or hopefully will anyway. I've been developing a new
Joomla! administrator template, and yes, it's free! Unlike the
majority out there :-(
I was thinking it would be really nice to provide an alternative
administrator template into the core build, I'm not saying eradicate
khepri, but just to let users have an alternative. Based on feedback
it is incredibly popular both with usability and design. It is a great
alternative which is more aimed at regular Joomla! users as it makes
accessibility a lot quicker to most things, and enables you to have
multiple components/article open at once without having 50 tabs open.
I am aware I am still getting through early beta on this template, but
I am happy to help Joomla! become even more popular by supplying an
alternative admin template.
I would also love any feedback on my current development, and would
really love some core developers to have a look and see what they
think!
Thanks,
Andy
udjamaflip
http://udjamaflip.com/joomla-jquery-template/54-joomla-admin-template-jquery-desktop-v09-beta.html
Screenshots here:
http://www.udjamaflip.com/joomla/53-free-joomla-admin-template-jquery-desktop.html
Andrew Eddie
The screenshot is impressive and I can certainly see some practical
applications! However, it looks to be built on jQuery. You would
need to convert to using Mootools for it to be considered for the
core. I really like the concept though.
Regards,
Andrew Eddie
http://www.theartofjoomla.com - the art of becoming a Joomla developer
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udjamaflip
Thanks for the feedback, and I'm just more comfortable with jQuery.
Conversion to mootools isn't unreasonable for it to be fit into
Joomla! core, do you think there is any other stoppers when it comes
to making the cut? :-)
Thanks for the encouragement however. I am happy to make what changes
are needed to make it in I would really like to offer everyone a
secondary Joomla! admin template :)
Andy
On Mar 3, 9:59 pm, Andrew Eddie <mambob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andy.
>
> The screenshot is impressive and I can certainly see some practical
> applications! However, it looks to be built on jQuery. You would
> need to convert to using Mootools for it to be considered for the
> core. I really like the concept though.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com- the art of becoming a Joomla developer
>
> On 4 March 2010 07:48, udjamaflip <udjamaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Quite ridiculous, I forgot the link!
>
> >http://udjamaflip.com/joomla-jquery-template/54-joomla-admin-template...
>
> > Screenshots here:
>
> >http://www.udjamaflip.com/joomla/53-free-joomla-admin-template-jquery...
dan1dyoung
I hope it gets converted to mootools for standard inclusion to the
core or a non conflict extension as it really does look cool. It is
fast, easy to use and just feels great.
Thanks and well done.
Dan
On 3 Mar, 22:21, udjamaflip <udjamaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Eddie,
>
> Thanks for the feedback, and I'm just more comfortable with jQuery.
> Conversion to mootools isn't unreasonable for it to be fit into
> Joomla! core, do you think there is any other stoppers when it comes
> to making the cut? :-)
>
> Thanks for the encouragement however. I am happy to make what changes
> are needed to make it in I would really like to offer everyone a
> secondary Joomla! admin template :)
>
> Andy
>
> On Mar 3, 9:59 pm, Andrew Eddie <mambob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Andy.
>
> > The screenshot is impressive and I can certainly see some practical
> > applications! However, it looks to be built on jQuery. You would
> > need to convert to using Mootools for it to be considered for the
> > core. I really like the concept though.
>
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-the art of becoming a Joomla developer
> > > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/joomla-dev-cms?hl=en-GB.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hannes Papenberg
this template is really cool and I think it is a cool addition to
Joomla. As Andrew said, it would have to be rewritten for mootools. Can
you also look at the image sizes? There are some rather big PNGs with
pretty small images. Then you have some mod_menu files in the html
folder of the template. What do you need those for? If you need the menu
to handle something in a special way, we might be able to add it into
the core mod_menu directly. On the JS again: You are using a jQuery UI
class. I'm not to familiar with jQuery, but if I understand it
correctly, MochaUI would be its equivalent for mootools.
Now on to including the template: As was discussed before, we planned on
adding in 4 frontend templates and we had a specific strategy for this.
This was already a topic for lengthy debates. ;-) Up till now, we had a
quite similar strategy with the backend templates: Ron created the
current bluestork and Andrea Tarr has been working on a more accessible
version of bluestork, which we planned to ship with 1.6. We didn't have
explicit plans on adding more backend templates. I would like to keep
the package of Joomla as small as possible, on the other hand I'd like
to add such a functionality and I've added some functionality already
myself... ;-) So we are in a kind of "dilemma" here. I'd like to hear
more opinions on this. What do you other guys think?
Hannes
udjamaflip
Thanks for the feedback, again as with mootools I am more than happy
to "optimise" the images. I know the install currently weighs in at an
impressive 1.8mb :p
This would drop massively as soon as the images were optimised, the
PNG's are all png24's at 100% so they're going to be big. I know I'm
late entering into the core additions for 1.6 but I genuinely think
this is a good template for regular Joomla! developers! :-)
The mod_menu is in there from when I was testing things to see if I
could over-write default menu output to include title="" on the links,
Instead I am now fetching the window titles from the content of the a
tags if a title="" doesn't exist.
The build needs a tidy and a shrinking in size, and I plan to make
another release this w/e though I doubt a conversion to mootools can
be done by then although a tidying up and size shrink isn't
unreasonable! Also it needs its own Icon set to be used in components,
at the moment it has its own AND khepri icon set (another reason for
the build size)
Looking forward to some "Yes I'd love it in the core build" responses!
Andy
> >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-the art of becoming a Joomla developer
Sam Moffatt
you can get your Joomla! administrator panel to look as a very out
there template. It has bugs though at the moment that would need to be
resolved before it would get into core and the port to MooTools. I
gave it a play and noted the issues but I felt it was pretty cool and
something different than what we ship by default. So we'd have a
normal template, a very accessible admin template and a rather out
there admin template.
Sam Moffatt
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Marco Giorgetti
I like the multi-window approach, I think it can be an interesting
innovation to test!
Wery good work!
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ssnobben
menus drop downs :) Pity Joomla doesnt use JQuery in core too bcs of
all other javascript conflicts with 3pds.
On 3 mar, 22:59, Andrew Eddie <mambob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Andy.
>
> The screenshot is impressive and I can certainly see some practical
> applications! However, it looks to be built on jQuery. You would
> need to convert to using Mootools for it to be considered for the
> core. I really like the concept though.
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com- the art of becoming a Joomla developer
>
> On 4 March 2010 07:48, udjamaflip <udjamaf...@gmail.com> wrote:> Quite ridiculous, I forgot the link!
>
> >http://udjamaflip.com/joomla-jquery-template/54-joomla-admin-template...
>
> > Screenshots here:
>
> >http://www.udjamaflip.com/joomla/53-free-joomla-admin-template-jquery...
>
Exire
I LOVE that multitasking feature, and the minimalistic design it has.
I would drop the current one for this one anytime! :)
You've done a great job creating this one. It just needs some fine
tuning and I think it would be good to go.
Basically: start porting man! :P
Would be fun to have some kind of way to display content on the
background, like blog feeds, site stats, system log, widget support
etc.
AJAX support in the system would also be great, not just a new shell
for it. I hate the lack of AJAX in the current Joomla builds. Drag and
drop is essential if you ask me. Trying to rearrange a menu with 50 or
so links using page refreshes really is a showstopper deluxe!
But overall: I say yes!
Kristoffer
On 4 Mar, 12:43, ssnobben <ssnob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Looking great. Just like the Drupal extra admin module with all top
> menus drop downs :) Pity Joomla doesnt use JQuery in core too bcs of
> all other javascript conflicts with 3pds.
>
> On 3 mar, 22:59, Andrew Eddie <mambob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andy.
>
> > The screenshot is impressive and I can certainly see some practical
> > applications! However, it looks to be built on jQuery. You would
> > need to convert to using Mootools for it to be considered for the
> > core. I really like the concept though.
>
> > Regards,
> > Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-the art of becoming a Joomla developer
Ian MacLennan
When I suggested he post here, I wasn't really thinking about getting this into 1.6. We need to get 1.6 out the door. It seems there is some interest in pursuing this. I think we need to get this going in a branch so that once 1.6 ships we can merge it down intro trunk and have something ready for 1.7.
Ian
Marco Giorgetti
> I was speaking with Andy in IRC and encouraged him to present his work here.
>
> When I suggested he post here, I wasn't really thinking about getting this
> into 1.6. We need to get 1.6 out the door. It seems there is some interest
> in pursuing this. I think we need to get this going in a branch so that
> once 1.6 ships we can merge it down intro trunk and have something ready for
> 1.7.
Hannes Papenberg
yes, we need to get 1.6 out of the door and this template needs to be
done in a branch. But I would still consider it to be put into 1.6 if it
is done in time. It is not something that I would delay a release for,
but if I get ready-made code, we could still talk about adding it.
Hannes
Marco Giorgetti
<hack...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hey Ian,
> yes, we need to get 1.6 out of the door and this template needs to be
> done in a branch. But I would still consider it to be put into 1.6 if it
> is done in time. It is not something that I would delay a release for,
> but if I get ready-made code, we could still talk about adding it.
That's what I mean with my previuos post!
udjamaflip
Yeah I wouldn't expect this to go straight into 1.6 unless I got it
ready in time, and definately wouldn't expect to delay the launch. Can
I get a timeframe (as rough as I'd expect it to be) I am prepared to
put the effort in to make it into the build and getting it tested
properly.
Andy
On Mar 4, 2:40 pm, Ian MacLennan <ian.maclen...@joomla.org> wrote:
> I was speaking with Andy in IRC and encouraged him to present his work here.
>
> When I suggested he post here, I wasn't really thinking about getting this
> into 1.6. We need to get 1.6 out the door. It seems there is some interest
> in pursuing this. I think we need to get this going in a branch so that
> once 1.6 ships we can merge it down intro trunk and have something ready for
> 1.7.
>
> Ian
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Hannes Papenberg
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> > >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-the art of becoming a Joomla
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Lemings
I would like to note two things, please make template upgradeable and
if it is possible make new "windows" to shift little bit not to cover
fully old windows.
I especialy like multi window idea.
JM Simonet
I have remarked here that these popups are really small and force to
scroll in almost all situations.
That could be solved by params I guess.
But the fact that it is not possible to enlarge/reduce them makes
them difficult to deal with.
Nevertheless, it is certainly a good way of demonstrating what can be
done with j!
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Exire
released. It's a really good template anyway, so give all you can in
order to make it ready for 1.6. I think you can make it, as I guess it
will probably take a week or three more (at least) before 1.6 is ready
for prime time, depending on how fast the last tasks gets
completed. :)
Kriss
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udjamaflip
about taking a day off work in the next week or two to get some proper
time to spend on it.
Any feature requests as well? I have a bug list which isn't tooo long.
But features to be added? Also anyone in to help? :)
> > > > >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-theartof becoming a Joomla
Guillermo G.
I think every window needs a reload button. For example, if you have a
window with the article manager (creating and article) and other
window with the category manager, and you create a new category, you
will need to reload the article manager iframe to be able to create
and article in the new category.
Guillermo G.
> > > > > >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-theartofbecoming a Joomla
Scott Abernethy
It would be really cool to be able to choose to use this template in what I'll call "modal mode". I like having the multiple windows open but I can imagine times where I'd like to go back to having one window open at a time. Any way to code this to close a window when a new one opens?
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Jen Kramer McKibben
While I love cool templates as much as the next person, I dislike a
non-standard back end.
When it comes to the back end, we're looking at software, not a
website so much anymore.
Please think about all of the training materials that are out there
for Joomla now, including books, videos, training courses, and the
piles of documentation many of us write for our clients.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. While I love Joomla's
flexibility on the front end and the back end, for the vast majority
of Joomla users, I'd really like to see the back end standardized and
not offer too many options. Otherwise, at some point, Joomla is
unidentifiable, it's impossible to provide tech support over the phone
without seeing the admin interface, students find it hard to learn
Joomla because of the different back end interfaces, and so forth.
Please do think of the 80-90% of Joomla users -- they're not
technically oriented, they're not developers, they're just people who
own a Joomla website and just need to get a few updates in place.
Standardization is a good thing, for ease of use, as well as Joomla's
branding.
Thanks,
Jen
> >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-the art of becoming a Joomla developer
udjamaflip
I appreciate your feedback and concerns, however, if you read above
this template will be packaged as an alternative to the existing
standard back end if completed in time, not as a replacement.
This being the case a user would have to specify if they wanted to use
the template, and the users you're talking about normally wouldn't
have access to that level of control - especially with the new ACL
Joomla 1.6 is packaged with.
Does this comfort the concerns you have? or have I misunderstood?
Regards,
Andy
> > >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-theart of becoming a Joomla developer
joomlapraise
told that our admin templates would have a chance of inclusion in 1.7
or 2.0 as alternate templates, so instead we submitted our Activity
Log plugin/module for 1.6.
If there's still room for alternate admin templates we'll get to work
immediately converting our free/gpl AdminPraise Lite template that has
been so well received http://extensions.joomla.org/extensions/administration/admin-navigation/9834
-Kyle Ledbetter
> > > >> Andrew Eddiehttp://www.theartofjoomla.com-theartof becoming a Joomla developer
brian teeman
Alternative admin templates are a nightmare for support and learning.
Matt Thomas
Hi all --
While I love cool templates as much as the next person, I dislike a
non-standard back end.
When it comes to the back end, we're looking at software, not a
website so much anymore.
This is a great point, and something worth considering. I personally love the idea of being able to develop customized back-ends for my clients, and find this template to be a great example of just that, but I share Jen's concerns in context of supporting it in the general community. That is a major issue worth considering.
Either way, this template is fantastic and I fully support you in developing it. Keep it up!
Best,
Matt
Herman Peeren
that is also what I use in the documentation I provide my customers.
As long as you don't change the *standard* administrative template
too much, it's great to provide some alternative administrative
templates to show what other possibilities there are. We have the
possibility to change the administrative template allready for a long
time and providing some examples how to use that is stimulating for
the ones who want to use it.
joomlapraise
When we discussed the inclusion of one of our AdminPraise templates,
it made sense to leave 1.6 as is and discuss alternated admin
templates for 1.7 or 2.0. I can see how including alternate admin
templates would theoretically be a support "nightmare" but I really
think most would still use the default, as inexperienced Joomla users
don't even realize you can go to Extensions > Templates >
Administrator. This would be an area for innovation and exploration
for the future of the Joomla Administrator, which is still a bit
dated. Radical exploration introduces small bits of innovation that
trickle into the default admin template, such as our Activity Log (if
it gets accepted into 1.6).
Brian, you'll have to update your training screenshots and docs for
1.6, 1.7, etc, anyway right?
-Kyle
Peter van Westen
templates packed with Joomla?
Especially beez is worthless. But ja_purity too is not as pure as the
name suggests (html output nightmare).
rhuk is pretty stable, but does not have a good (handy) way of styling
(very image dependent).
So I see no problem with including top-notch admin templates. For -
like Kyle (adminpraise) points out - most users who know how to set
the template, will not have the n00b support questions.
Peter
Eraser
> templates packed with Joomla?
If to talk about training clients then the frontend isn't main
concern, since all of the clients sites have different frontends. But
if the backends are different, then all the training materials have to
be doubled also.
> So I see no problem with including top-notch admin templates. For -
> like Kyle (adminpraise) points out - most users who know how to set
> the template, will not have the n00b support questions.
User who are able to set their own admin template, are also able to
install it all by themselves. So I don't see any reasons, why it
should be included in core. It can very well be offered as an
alternative admin template, that can be downloaded and installed
separately.
udjamaflip
changes/bugfixes. Including resizable windows, lower package size and
some issues with parameter popups.
Can anyone suggest any other changes/additions?
Once completed I will convert to mootools.
Guillermo G.
Did you add the reload button to each window as I asked? I think it
would be very useful.
Guillermo G.
udjamaflip
being a problem, maybe I can catch f5 to activate the currently
selected frame?
Guillermo G.
I made a quickly sketch with paint showing what is my idea about the
position: http://picasaweb.google.com/Z06.Guillermo/ImagenesParaWebs#5446688319002345842
You can see the reload button left of the minimize, maximize and close
buttons. The href of that button would be
"document.iframes.IFRAMEID.reload" or something like that, I don't
remember now. I have worked with iframes and I haven't got problems
with this.
Guillermo G.
Mark Dexter
Having said that, I think having great admin templates available to the community is fantastic whether in core or as extensions. Thanks. Mark
udjamaflip
Something I've noticed out of this project is a lack of place for
administrator templates. Sure I can publish them on the forums, and if
it comes packaged with a component or module I can release it on
extensions.joomla.org.
I also know of Community Showcase, but it's an admin template so I
don't really want to have to setup a lockdown public admin area to
show off the template. Is there somewhere else I can let the Joomla!
community know about this template?
Additionally, 0.9.1 beta is out:
http://www.udjamaflip.com/joomla-jquery-template/56-free-joomla-admin-template.html
On Mar 9, 5:53 pm, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone. At this point, we (the Development Coordinators and Production
> Leadership Team) are not really thinking of adding more admin templates to
> core unless there is a very important reason to do so. For example, we are
> considering adding an accessible admin template for 1.6. A major reason for
> this is that many governments are requiring accessibility in their selection
> process for CMS packages.
>
> Having said that, I think having great admin templates available to the
> community is fantastic whether in core or as extensions. Thanks. Mark
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Guillermo G. <z06.guille...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi.
>
> > I made a quickly sketch with paint showing what is my idea about the
> > position:
> >http://picasaweb.google.com/Z06.Guillermo/ImagenesParaWebs#5446688319...
> > joomla-dev-cm...@googlegroups.com<joomla-dev-cms%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
Guillermo G.
Really nice update. Now I can reload and resize any window, important
improvement. I think the bar of the bottom with the links to the most
important options is not really neccesary for those links. I would use
that bar only for the links to the minimized windows. When I need the
go to any site of the admin panel, I use the top links as on any other
template. For minimized windows is nice, but they need different icons
for every different admin site. Also, I think would be nice that, if
you try to open a new window of a module that is already opened but
minimized, the minimized window recovers its original size, against of
open a new window with the same content, and add a new option to allow
the user to open a new window with the same.
Tell me if you don't understand what I saying, my English is not very
good. I hope to see this template on the next Joomla package :)
Guillermo G.
On Mar 15, 2:14 am, udjamaflip <udjamaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Something I've noticed out of this project is a lack of place for
> administrator templates. Sure I can publish them on the forums, and if
> it comes packaged with a component or module I can release it on
> extensions.joomla.org.
>
> I also know of Community Showcase, but it's an admin template so I
> don't really want to have to setup a lockdown public admin area to
> show off the template. Is there somewhere else I can let the Joomla!
> community know about this template?
>
> Additionally, 0.9.1 beta is out:http://www.udjamaflip.com/joomla-jquery-template/56-free-joomla-admin...
Mark Dexter
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Guillermo G.
I'll try to explain it better. Suppose that you open a new window of
the article manager for example. You minimize the window and you
forget that it was opened. Then, when you need again the article
manager, you open a new window (because you don't remember that
there's a minimized window with that). After it, you minimize the new
window again. But you need only one window. What I'm saying is, if you
are trying to open a new window with the article manager, when there
is already a window with that, but minimized, automatically maximize
the window instead of open a new one.
The other problem I was talking about is that the bar of the bottom
with links to the more important parts of the admin panel is (at least
for me) not very useful. Everyone is used to use the menu links of the
top, and I think most of us will continue using it. But that bar is
very useful for the minimized windows. My idea is to use that bar only
when there are minimized windows. Now is difficult at least for me to
know if there are minimized windows, cause the icons in the bar are
the same size as the default icons.
I also noticed that it you click at the links of the top menu (those
which when you mouseover it, displays the menu), it opens a window
with a 404 error. Can you solve it?
I hope you understand it better now.
Guillermo G.
On Mar 15, 4:30 pm, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you like, we can create a branch
> in SVN for you to install the template in. What else did you have in mind?
> Thanks. Mark
>
> > <joomla-dev-cms%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<joomla-dev-cms%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
udjamaflip
Ian was kind enough to set one up to help control and keep track of
progress on the project, however, I was more talking of publicity for
the template to help it gather momentum. My question was asking where
I would do this? Could I class it as an extension? It is _technically_
extending the functionality of Joomla! after all.
This isn't meant as an attack, I just want to make sure its being
placed in all the rite places.
Andy
On Mar 15, 3:30 pm, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. I'm not sure exactly what you mean. If you like, we can create a branch
> in SVN for you to install the template in. What else did you have in mind?
> Thanks. Mark
>
> > <joomla-dev-cms%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com<joomla-dev-cms%252Buns...@googlegroups.com>
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Mark Dexter
udjamaflip
On Mar 15, 11:04 pm, Sam Moffatt <pasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question is perhaps more pertinent that the JED excludes templates.
>
> Sam Moffatthttp://pasamio.id.au
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi. Clearly it could be released as an extension. I don't know what the
> > JED's plan for timing for 1.6 extensions. Mark
>