I propose a new feature for mod_menu in Joomla! 3:
Currently the module shows menu items only related to current menu item, either of same level or children, i.e. we have a menu structure: *Item A ** - Subitem AA - Subitem AB - Subitem AC** Item B ** - Subitem BA - Subitem BB - Subitem BC*
Loading *Item A* page the module can only display 3 variants:
*Item A* * - Subitem AA - Subitem AB - Subitem AC* *Item B* * - Subitem BA - Subitem BB - Subitem BC*
or *Item A* * - Subitem AA - Subitem AB - Subitem AC* *Item B*
or *Item A* *Item B*
This restricts us from ability to display the list of items not related to current menu item, i.e. sometimes we need to display all children items of *Item B*, no matter which menu item is active now: * - Subitem BA - Subitem BB - Subitem BC*
Current module will never display list of these 3 items if i.e. we load *-Subitem AC*, because it filters all items by path of current item.
But we can add a new module setting 'Root item' - drop-down list with all menu items + 'Active item' as first option selected by default + 'Menu item root' option In this case we setup '*Item B*' as 'Root item' and 2 for start and end levels settings. Now our module will always display subitems of *Item B*, now matter which menu item is currently loaded.
Full backwards compatibility is presented because 'Active item' is used as default and is equal to current behavior of mod_menu. And we get the nice feature to display specific menu items despite of page currently loaded by user.
I would like to hear your opinions and can propose a simple patch for mod_menu, this feature requires really small and simple changes in modMenuHelper::getList().
How does this differ from setting the submenu items to show at some level of depth? In the testing data for the Using Joomla menu I added a link under the Getting Started link. Then in the "A deep menu" module I changed the options to show the sub menu items starting at 1 and ending at 3. At that point if I click on my new child I still have the submenu items displayed.
I think the most important thing is that the ability to do split menus is completely preserved. That is an absolute key feature and makes it possible to control your urls using the menus while not having to show the full hierarchy. So in other words you absolutely must be able to click on Item A and only show AA,AB,AC (without A).
On Saturday, August 4, 2012 4:51:14 AM UTC-4, Denitz wrote:
> I propose a new feature for mod_menu in Joomla! 3:
> Currently the module shows menu items only related to current menu item, > either of same level or children, i.e. we have a menu structure: > *Item A > ** - Subitem AA > - Subitem AB > - Subitem AC** > Item B > ** - Subitem BA > - Subitem BB > - Subitem BC*
> Loading *Item A* page the module can only display 3 variants:
> or > *Item A* > * - Subitem AA > - Subitem AB > - Subitem AC* > *Item B*
> or > *Item A* > *Item B*
> This restricts us from ability to display the list of items not related to > current menu item, i.e. sometimes we need to display all children items of > *Item B*, no matter which menu item is active now: > * - Subitem BA > - Subitem BB > - Subitem BC*
> Current module will never display list of these 3 items if i.e. we load *-Subitem > AC*, because it filters all items by path of current item.
> But we can add a new module setting 'Root item' - drop-down list with all > menu items + 'Active item' as first option selected by default + 'Menu item > root' option > In this case we setup '*Item B*' as 'Root item' and 2 for start and end > levels settings. > Now our module will always display subitems of *Item B*, now matter which > menu item is currently loaded.
> Full backwards compatibility is presented because 'Active item' is used as > default and is equal to current behavior of mod_menu. > And we get the nice feature to display specific menu items despite of page > currently loaded by user.
> I would like to hear your opinions and can propose a simple patch for > mod_menu, this feature requires really small and simple changes in > modMenuHelper::getList().
Elin, the problem is that module filters items depending on current menu item. You can't render the list of 3 only items if visiting "Item A": Subitem BA Subitem BB Subitem BC
In other words I want to add a static behavior to mod_menu, so we can display fixed list of configured items, no matter which menu item is currently loaded.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:40:47 AM UTC-4, Denitz wrote:
> Elin, the problem is that module filters items depending on current menu > item. > You can't render the list of 3 only items if visiting "Item A": > Subitem BA > Subitem BB > Subitem BC
> In other words I want to add a static behavior to mod_menu, so we can > display fixed list of configured items, no matter which menu item is > currently loaded.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 3:05:18 PM UTC+3, elin wrote:
> Do you mean just the subitems of B but not B itself? Because I have not > problem getting > A > AA > AB > AC > B > BA > BB > BC
> When clicking on either A or AB.
> Elin
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:40:47 AM UTC-4, Denitz wrote:
>> Elin, the problem is that module filters items depending on current menu >> item. >> You can't render the list of 3 only items if visiting "Item A": >> Subitem BA >> Subitem BB >> Subitem BC
>> In other words I want to add a static behavior to mod_menu, so we can >> display fixed list of configured items, no matter which menu item is >> currently loaded.
On Monday, August 6, 2012 8:54:02 AM UTC-4, Denitz wrote:
> Yes, just subtitems. > And i.e. we can't display these subitems only if visiting a menu item from > other menu
> On Monday, August 6, 2012 3:05:18 PM UTC+3, elin wrote:
>> Do you mean just the subitems of B but not B itself? Because I have not >> problem getting >> A >> AA >> AB >> AC >> B >> BA >> BB >> BC
>> When clicking on either A or AB.
>> Elin
>> On Monday, August 6, 2012 1:40:47 AM UTC-4, Denitz wrote:
>>> Elin, the problem is that module filters items depending on current menu >>> item. >>> You can't render the list of 3 only items if visiting "Item A": >>> Subitem BA >>> Subitem BB >>> Subitem BC
>>> In other words I want to add a static behavior to mod_menu, so we can >>> display fixed list of configured items, no matter which menu item is >>> currently loaded.
I have wanted to do this in Joomla for years, this would be an awesome
feature! Many times I have needed to show just the submenu items of a
different parent to the active one and currently the only way I have found
to achieve this is to create another menu of aliases which really feels
like a workaround. This simple change would make the menu module so much
more flexible whilst preserving backwards compatibility and all current
functionality!
I would strongly vote for this feature and would love to help test it.
+10
On Aug 16, 2012 8:29 AM, "Denitz" <sirdioni...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Exactly! I also tired of creating tons of aliases!
> I can create a patch easily, but somebody needs to lobby this feature.
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I will raise awareness of this great potential feature.
It is Joomla London this comming Tuesday where we plan to go through alpha 2 in detail. Showing our members how to apply and test a patch would make a great talk. If we could use this feature as the example, it would definitely gain extra support...
I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am but not the active one only. I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents showing any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything much if we don't get that taken care of.
On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
> I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions > where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am > but not the active one only. > I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
Are you talking about the menus in the current master with the Bootstrap
markup? If so, this is actually a limitation in Bootstrap 2.0 which is
fixed in 2.1, due for a Monday release, so it should be fixed in master soon
after the work is done to update us to Bootstrap 2.1.
If that's not what you're referring to, then ignore my babbling ;-)
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:35 PM
To: <joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents showing
any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything much if we
don't get that taken care of.
Elin
On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
> I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions
> where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am but
> not the active one only.
> I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
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No it's a bug that has been in trunk for a while that I posted about earlier in this thread (before the merge). Try taking any menu with parent and child items and displaying it starting with level 2.
On Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:40:34 PM UTC-4, Michael Babker wrote:
> Are you talking about the menus in the current master with the Bootstrap > markup? If so, this is actually a limitation in Bootstrap 2.0 which is > fixed in 2.1, due for a Monday release, so it should be fixed in master > soon after the work is done to update us to Bootstrap 2.1.
> If that's not what you're referring to, then ignore my babbling ;-)
> From: elin <elin....@gmail.com <javascript:>> > Reply-To: <joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:35 PM > To: <joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > Subject: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
> Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents showing > any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything much if > we don't get that taken care of.
> Elin
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
>> I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions >> where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am >> but not the active one only. >> I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
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From: joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com
[mailto:joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Babker
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:41 AM
To: joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
Are you talking about the menus in the current master with the Bootstrap
markup? If so, this is actually a limitation in Bootstrap 2.0 which is
fixed in 2.1, due for a Monday release, so it should be fixed in master soon
after the work is done to update us to Bootstrap 2.1.
If that's not what you're referring to, then ignore my babbling ;-)
From: elin <elin.war...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: <joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:35 PM
To: <joomla-dev-cms@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents showing
any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything much if we
don't get that taken care of.
Elin
On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions
where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am
but not the active one only.
I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
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> *From:* joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto: > joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Babker > *Sent:* Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:41 AM > *To:* joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > *Subject:* Re: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
> Are you talking about the menus in the current master with the Bootstrap > markup? If so, this is actually a limitation in Bootstrap 2.0 which is > fixed in 2.1, due for a Monday release, so it should be fixed in master > soon after the work is done to update us to Bootstrap 2.1.
> If that's not what you're referring to, then ignore my babbling ;-)
> *From: *elin <elin....@gmail.com <javascript:>> > *Reply-To: *<joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > *Date: *Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:35 PM > *To: *<joomla-...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> > *Subject: *[jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
> Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents showing > any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything much if > we don't get that taken care of.
> Elin
> On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
> I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions > where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am > but not the active one only. > I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
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>> *From:* joomla-...@googlegroups.com [mailto:joomla-...@googlegroups.com] >> *On Behalf Of *Michael Babker >> *Sent:* Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:41 AM >> *To:* joomla-...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
>> Are you talking about the menus in the current master with the Bootstrap >> markup? If so, this is actually a limitation in Bootstrap 2.0 which is >> fixed in 2.1, due for a Monday release, so it should be fixed in master >> soon after the work is done to update us to Bootstrap 2.1.
>> If that's not what you're referring to, then ignore my babbling ;-)
>> *From: *elin <elin....@gmail.com> >> *Reply-To: *<joomla-...@googlegroups.com> >> *Date: *Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:35 PM >> *To: *<joomla-...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject: *[jcms] Re: New feature for Menu module
>> Would someone want to take on fixing the current bug that prevents >> showing any menu starting after level 1? I don't think we can do anything >> much if we don't get that taken care of.
>> Elin
>> On Friday, August 17, 2012 12:20:24 PM UTC-4, Phil wrote:
>> I agree, this is a great feature. Its happened to me on several occasions >> where I want to show the children of the submenu above or below where I am >> but not the active one only. >> I would be up for testing as well. More the merrier.
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This is such a simple but important feature which maintains complete
backwards compatibility, it would be a great loss is it wasn't in
v3.0.
Who do I need to persuade? I'm happy to try.
I can change the status on the tracker item. Do you think it needs to
be changed to Ready for review or maybe Pending? Don't want it to slip
under the radar.
