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Hannes Papenberg  
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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:00:40 +0200
Local: Wed, Sep 21 2011 1:00 pm
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Hi folks,
right after JGrid, here another proposal.

Some of you might have seen my router plugin "Molajo Router", which is a
proof of concept of an improved routing system in Joomla. You can
download the plugin from here: http://www.joomlager.de/molajorouter.zip
(The plugin currently is not fully functional and the title is just a
working title)

I'd like to introduce this feature into Joomla and have started with a
pull request for a revised JRouter class:
https://github.com/joomla/joomla-platform/pull/354

As is described in the pull request, the changes to the framework are
actually not that big, the changes to the CMS are a lot bigger.

The benefits:
1. Routing is a tiny bit faster
2. The routing is more flexible and does not impose some pre-defined
rules that can not be switched off.
3. Writing a component router is now object oriented and if we want to
implement the full feature set of the plugin, its also just one line of
code per view and you are done.
4. Helper classes like ContentHelperRoute are not necessary anymore and
the related bugs are automatically fixed.
5. URLs are always the same, regardless of them being sent through
ContentHelperRoute or just through JRouter.
6. You can hand over a URL string or an associative array of URL
parameters to JRoute
7. URLs can be changed simply by switching the rules by which they are
build without touching the component router

The downsides:
1. Most of the SEF extensions that touch URLs wont really work anymore
(most likely)

However, the system is backwards compatible for all components and their
router.

I'd like to get this into 2.5 and would like to get approval for this
and instructions how to proceed.

Hannes


 
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From: Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:09:41 -0700
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Hannes, I think this type of change is better suited for 3.0 than for 2.5.
Version 2.5 is the LTS release and we don't want to introduce big changes
that create backward-compatibility issue in this version. That is my .02.
Mark

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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:14:32 +0200
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It would be a pitty to have to postpone this, considering that most
likely most people will switch to 2.5 and then wait for 3.5 for their
next big move. Especially since it fixes so many issues with the routing...

Hannes

Am 21.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Mark Dexter:


 
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 11:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
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Can you outline the " issues with the routing" that this addresses and how
it does it.


 
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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:36:02 +0200
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The biggest issue that I see is the issue of ContentHelperRoute. As long
as you don't send your URL for com_content through that class, you will
always get a URL like this: /component/content/article/23-alias instead
of /products/fancystuff/23-alias. This is not a big problem if you are
inside of code (although its a hazzle to always remember to add the call
AND use the correct class for this) but when you have a URL in your
content, that class is not present, which means that we can't find out
the Itemid and as a result get the wrong URL. You can see this for
example if you use the article linker plugin below the editor, which
creates wrong URLs in 1.6/1.7

Besides that, I regard the hard coded rules how the URLs are treated as
a bug and the big issues in writing your own component router as bugs.
Writing a component router is still regarded as being black magic and
very few people understand the system and how to use and code for it
properly, resulting in either no router at all or very simple routers
that don't create the result that we are looking for.

Hannes

Am 21.09.2011 20:43, schrieb brian teeman:


 
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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:22:22 -0700 (PDT)
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1. I never use the article linker so haven't seen those links as I always
use JCE but I take your point

2. Can you explain how you are resolving the second issue you described


 
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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:53:16 +0200
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I'm not sure what you mean with the second issue. If you mean the hard
coded rules:

The system that I developed in the plugin is based on the idea that
every change to the URL is a rule and rules are actually nothing more
than function callbacks. So for the default Joomla behavior, there is a
plugin that, when enabled, registers a bunch of functions in a special
order, which do all the processing. If you want to change the behavior,
you write your own plugin and add your own rule (=function callback) to
the router. In the extreme case, you could deactivate the Joomla plugin
and replace all the rules with your own without any changes to the core
files, without any overrides and without any compatibility issues. With
a little bit of standardization, we could even change the URLs to a date
based scheme, which I normally refer to as Wordpress Style URLs. You can
see an example how that would be done with this plugin:
http://www.joomlager.de/molajowp.zip Another possibility is the stub for
a REST interface, which you can see here:
http://www.joomlager.de/molajorest.zip

If you mean the easy to write component routers:

First of all: We only need routes to views. Every other task than
"display" should do its thing and then redirect us to the display task
again. So that reduces the number of combinations that we have. Then we
have a hierarchy on the different views. A categories view is the parent
of a category view and a category view is the parent of an article view.
The idea of my component router now is that you only have to register
the dependencies between different views and the ID variables that are
used based on the view that you use. The specific details that we have
to register are:
1. unique name for the view in the component
2. name of the view (for example "article")
3. name of the ID variable if present (for example "id")
4. name of the parent view if present (for example "category")
5. name of the parent views ID variable if present (for example "catid")
6. is the view nestable (can I navigate from this view to the same view
again? for example from a parent category to a child category)
7. if I'm navigating to this view (with this specific name (you can use
the same view more than once in the path of your child and parent
views)) I should be using this layout
Everything except #1 and #2 are optional and in the last 8 months I
haven't come across a structure that could not be mapped by this.
Now, the component router is made a class in this new system and in the
constructor this data is registered. (If you want to add more views by a
plugin or something, that is possible, too) The class extends a
JComponentRouter class (not yet part of the pull request to the platform
project) which again can register rules (=function callbacks) to be used
on a component level and which can then build and parse the URLs based
on the information given above. With all this in place, the complete
router for com_content could look like this:

jimport('joomla.application.component.router');
class ContentRouter extends JComponentRouter
{
    function __construct()
    {
        $this->register('categories', 'categories');
        $this->register('category', 'category', 'id', 'categories', '',
true);
        $this->register('article', 'article', 'id', 'category', 'catid');
        $this->register('archive', 'archive');
        $this->register('featured', 'featured');
        parent::__construct();
    }

}

In a second step, we could add functions to retrieve a little bit more
information (the article alias) to remove the IDs from the URLs.

Hope that explains it.

Hannes

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From: Pete Jones <jo...@petersencreative.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:02:52 -0700 (PDT)
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I would suggest that the only downside would be perceived by those who
make the components. I for one, would love it if I never had to touch
shSEF ever again as it's the most temperamental piece of software I
tend to install.

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 06:48:16 -0400
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On 9/21/2011 3:36 PM, Hannes Papenberg wrote:

> Besides that, I regard the hard coded rules how the URLs are treated as
> a bug and the big issues in writing your own component router as bugs.
> Writing a component router is still regarded as being black magic and
> very few people understand the system and how to use and code for it
> properly, resulting in either no router at all or very simple routers
> that don't create the result that we are looking for.

I don't quite understand this one, the routers create an array of
strings which get appended together to create the url, or in reverse
take an array of strings and reverses them.

While all the routers that come with components are simplistic, it's not
that difficult to customize a router to use specific rules for different
sections of content[I've done that quite frequently where sobi or
adsmanager needed different url structures depending on the category of
the item].

It's not really that difficult to go from that to having a customizable
router for a component where you can set different rules.

If instead of just using a set of rules, you added in the ability to set
the rule "traditional joomla routing" - and if that is chosen run the
traditional routing mechanism functions, then your backwards compatible
along with new features.

In any case, 2.5 is already going to include a new search function which
may not be backward compatible, I see no reason not to improve the
router since the router is just about universally not used in favor of
installing very complicated alternatives.  The current router works
great for coders who can create custom routers for every component they
use, but it's not so good for end users.


 
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From: Gary Mort <garyam...@gmail.com>
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BTW, if making changes to the router, I'd suggest the following:

Make the router "joomla"...ie, add events to it.

routerBeforeSEF
routerAfterSEF
routerBeforeDecode
routerAfterDecode

run before and after converting a url to SEF, and run before and after
Decoding.  Before decoding or SEF give it a chance to change the order
of the rules, disable rules, enable rules.  After give it a chance to
modify the result.

In addition to that, on the CMS side add a router component to give
access to the overall rules settings, and to modify the rules for a
specific component.  I'd also add a few events there:
routerGetRules
routerConfigureRule

So any component can include a plugin which adds additional rules[either
universal rules or rules limited to a specific component] and the router
component can use the GetRules event to find all those rules and display
them for configuration.  A rule should likely be contained in an array
including the component(s), the rule name, and configuration
parameters.  Either those parameters need to be stored by the router
component itself...or sent to the component plugin via
routerConfigureRule event and allow the component to store that data.


 
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Hannes Papenberg  
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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:21:15 +0200
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Hello Gary,
I was not talking about hard coded rules in the component routers. Those
can of course be changed by each component developer to suit his or her
needs. I was rather talking about the hard coded rules in JRouter
itself, which for example force the menu system behavior or replace the
first "-" in a string to ":", eventhough that might not even be
necessary. Regarding the "traditional Joomla behavior": The system as it
is in the proof of concept mentioned in my first post is behaving
exactly like the routing in Joomla 1.5/1.6/1.7, but the big benefit is,
that you can easily replace or amend to it with your own rules. So yes,
its backwards compatible.

Hannes

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:24:14 +0200
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Hi Gary,
I don't see the reason in adding the 4 events that you mention below.
These events are already covered by the rule system itself. Besides
that, it would be quite costly in terms of performance to invoke all
those events on each URL conversion. The rest of your proposals are
already in my proposal, albeit implemented differently.

Hannes

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As I already wrote in the JGrid thread, I had some issues with getting a
Joomlacode account, so I created a branch for these changes on github.
You can find the implemented router changes here:
https://github.com/Hackwar/joomla-cms/tree/jrouter

Its completely installable and works. (I've seen a tiny bug with the
URLs, but otherwise...) For now, the language files and comments in the
code are missing, but the rest should already be fine.

I would be happy if people could take a look at this and maybe test it
with one of their own components. I would also be very happy if the PLT
could (re-)consider this change for 2.5. Thank you

Hannes

Am 21.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Mark Dexter:


 
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> I would also be very happy if the PLT
> could (re-)consider this change for 2.5.

Can this be implemented in 2.5 as a checkbox in Global Configuration
similar, next to the core SEF settings?
By default 'legacy mode' is 'on' the old router code is active and all SEF
extensions still work and backwards
compatibility is maintained, but a User can flip it on as extensions become
'2.5 native'.
In 3.0 the checkbox goes away with the legacy router.

Just a thought.


 
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No, I don't think that it is possible to implement this in such a
backwards compatible manner, since it would more or less require a
complete seperate routing system next to this solution. On the other
hand, its not breaking the common extensions, most likely only those
that heavily modify the URLs, which would not really be necessary
anymore anyway. This system is much more powerfull.

Hannes

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I had a play with this new routing functionality not too long ago and
I have to say, it is the only router implementation i've ever looked
at (in my test component) without wanting to jump off a bridge. If it
really is fully backwards-compatible I would very much like to see it
in 2.5 as we do indeed have at least 3 months of time to test it.

Routers are one of the very last bastions of black magic left and I
would consider it a major improvement to the CMS as a whole.

- Rune

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Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:10:23 +0200
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I've been in contact with Matias Griese from the Kunena Team and we
added several small speed improvements to the system. JRouterSite and
the rules belonging to that router have been optimized quite a lot.
JComponentRouter and its rules have also been worked on a bit, however I
discovered a design bug in there, which will require me to rewrite quite
a bit of the rules and JComponentRouter. The idea was, that you could
register a view under different names with different layouts, so that
you could have a different behavior for different layouts. Unfortunately
I totally messed that up, but I didn't notice it, because that feature
is not used in the core components... I will look into making that work
in the coming days.

One big improvement was the removal of the legacy mode in the actual
router and instead providing a default router that handles the legacy
mode if necessary. That means that all component routers now use the
class method, but in case that the component uses legacy routers (=the
functions instead of a class) a router "JDefaultRouter" is registered,
which either calls the legacy routers or provides a router (that does
nothing) for extensions that don't have a router. We also implemented an
interface that every new router class has to implement in order to be
recognized as a new router to prevent legacy issues. (Specifically
Kunena already had a class named KunenaRouter, which would collide with
this implementation)

The general gain by this new router seems to be about 50% on my system,
Matias had even extremely larger gains of 400% and more. Since our
measuring methods differ a bit and since the actual performance also
depends on the use cases, you can't really compare the results, but the
tendency is clear that the code is quite a lot faster.

Now, what do we have to do to get this (or parts of it) into 2.5?

Hannes

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Hi Hannes. Do you have a working branch that passes all of the system tests?
Mark

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Hi Mark,
I prepared a branch that shows the changes to the application- and
platform-router and introduces the important parts of the new system. It
is missing the component routers, as they still have some issues in the
design (like I wrote earlier), but they can be added later. These
changes would already be a big gain for all of us, both in performance
as in flexibility. I don't know if they pass all systemtests, since my
system is not set up to run those tests, but since they create the same
URLs like before, I would vouch for this system.

You can find the branch here:
https://github.com/Hackwar/joomla-cms/tree/jrouter-temp

I would be happy if the PLT could accept this proposal and as soon as I
have the issues of the component routers worked out, I would be even
happier if you would accept those changes, too. I'm working hard to make
this possible for Joomla 2.5.

Hannes

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Hi Hannes. I suggest you open a tracker issue in the Feature Tracker and
then people can test and comment on the feature. Someone needs to make sure
that the system tests run correctly. To be considered for 2.5, we have to
make sure we have good backward compatibility. Mark

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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:52:44 +0200
Local: Sun, Oct 9 2011 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] Routing in Joomla
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Here is the feature tracker:
http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/joomla/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEd...
Here is the subversion branch:
http://joomlacode.org/svn/joomla/development/branches/hannes/
Here is the branch on github:
https://github.com/Hackwar/joomla-cms/tree/jrouter-temp

Here is the branch with the latest work, where I'm fixing the component
routers: https://github.com/Hackwar/joomla-cms/tree/jrouter-temp

Please test and comment.

Hannes

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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:00:28 +0100
Local: Fri, Nov 18 2011 5:00 am
Subject: Re: [jcms] Routing in Joomla
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Hi folks,
its been a while and so far I wasn't able to find the time to fix the
component routers the way that I'd like them to be. However, I'd like to
propose the current status of my branch for inclusion into 2.5. This
change rewrites JRouter and makes it a lot faster and more flexible. It
also allows component routers to be classes instead of just simple
functions, but it does not force this. For components, this change is
completely backwards compatible, its just the SEF components that
interact with the Joomla routing that will have to be changed.

I'd love to deliver the full package including the component routers,
but since time is of the essence, I'd like to propose this reduced
version of the router-rewrite. Maybe I find the time to get the
component routers fixed, too, but it would be a shame if this change
could not be implemented now because of this delay.

You can find the branch here:
http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/joomla/scmsvn/?action=browse&path=%2...
And the Feature Tracker Item here:
http://joomlacode.org/gf/project/joomla/tracker/?action=TrackerItemEd...

The code in the branch is final, can be tested and merged into trunk. If
the CMS approves of these changes, Andrew said he would look favourably
onto adopting this code for the platform. In that case I will create a
new pull request. So please test and hopefully approve. :-)

Hannes

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From: Hannes Papenberg <hackwa...@googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 19:31:41 +0100
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Subject: Re: [jcms] Routing in Joomla
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Any decision on this one?

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From: Mark Dexter <dextercow...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:56:44 -0800
Local: Tues, Nov 22 2011 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [jcms] Routing in Joomla
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Hannes, first of all, no one has documented anything on that tracker item.
It is premature for any decision until some people have tested it out.
Second, as mentioned before, version 2.5 is a LTS and I am not in favor of
anything that might cause b/c issues or new bugs. That's my .02. Mark

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From: Dimitris <d.grammat...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:41:07 -0800 (PST)
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Is it going to be on 3.0?


 
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