Spygate Revisited
Paul Lawson
Given that he lied about these two aspects how can you believe anything that he has said. You must assume that he taped everybody that the Patriots played from 2000 onwards. He knew it was against the rules. They used the tapes during individual games to gain an advantage.
If we assume the worst and that they taped every game from the time that BB took the reins of the organization then the NFL fines and draft pick forfeiture amount to:-
Patriots organization fined $5172.41 per game ($4213.48 if you include preseason)
Bill Belichick fined $3488.28 per game ($2808.99 if you include preseason)
Patriots forced to surrender the eqivalent of a 4th rounder between number 13-14 pick for each of the years that they were cheating.
To me that doesn't seem like very much...what do you think??? I am sure Pacman Jones would have been very happy to be hit this hard.
Paul Lawson
Safyre 913
Sean Comerford
later,
Sean
http://seanc.us
--- On Thu, 5/15/08, Safyre 913 <safy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Ferraro, Ron
>Seriously, it's like the wizard of oz... man behind the curtain? what
man? >move along, nothing to see here, move along.... the NFL is smart
enough to >not want the Pats to turn into their version of Barry Bonds
Agreed. But I also have to say how sick I am of this whole silly thing.
I mean, there is no one who loves to see that arrogant SOB squirm more
than me. But where exactly does Arlen Specter get off threatening to
waste more taxpayer money on a "Mitchell Report-like" investigation?
With the steroid thing in baseball, you could squint your way to
kinda-sorta rationalizing it (even thought I thought it was BS), since
there were illegal substances involved. But with this? If they
cheated, they cheated by the standards set forth by the league they play
in, which makes this a league issue, not a legislative one.
I would hope our elected officials have more important things to concern
themselves with, but then again, it *is* an election year.
Ron
Safyre 913
Paul Lawson
PAL
Paul Lawson
Alan Topal
> I agree that this will go away, I just wanted to put it
> into perspective, how small the punishment, absolutely
> trivial really, in comparison to the player punishments
> that have been handed down...
Because the crime is absolutely trivial. Everybody speeds down the same
highway, they may have used a radar detector. BFD.
Please, make it go away already....
-Alan
Sean Comerford
> Because the crime is absolutely trivial. Everybody speeds
> down the same highway, they may have used a radar detector. BFD.
I agree that both the MLB and any upcoming NFL investigation by the congress is a waste of time and (more importantly) tax payer money.
But the Pats taping being "absolutely trivial" is, at best, debateable. We have no idea what other teams did or didn't do, just like we don't really have any idea which MLB players (other than certain ones) were juiced. In fact we don't even know exactly what the Pats did and the NFL quickly disposed of whatever records there might have been.
And without knowing the whole truth, it's impossible to say exactly what effect the taping had.
At this point it's just as easy to make the argument that their taping was a HUGE advantage as it is that it didn't make any difference. The truth is almost certainly somewhere in between. Not much point in making either argument though given what little we'll ever know.
Alan Topal
> --- On Thu, 5/15/08, Alan Topal <ATo...@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:
>
> > Because the crime is absolutely trivial. Everybody speeds down the
> > same highway, they may have used a radar detector. BFD.
>
> I agree that both the MLB and any upcoming NFL investigation
> by the congress is a waste of time and (more importantly)
> tax payer money.
>
> But the Pats taping being "absolutely trivial" is, at best,
> debateable. We have no idea what other teams did or didn't
> do, just like we don't really have any idea which MLB players
> (other than certain ones) were juiced. In fact we don't even
> know exactly what the Pats did and the NFL quickly disposed
> of whatever records there might have been.
Here's what the Pats did: they tried to figure out what the other team
was going to do before they did it. Same as every other team in the
league. That's the intent, that's the "crime". So long as they didn't
steal the playbook or spy on a meeting, I don't really care what tool
they used to do it.
-Alan
Wally Gobetz
On May 15, 2008, at 2:06 PM, "Alan Topal" <ATo...@uamail.albany.edu>
wrote:
Especially if they were doing it on the road too....this more the guy
on second stealing the catcher's signals than someone at that Pilo
Grounds with a telescope
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Sean Comerford
How is it exactly that you know what they did? Part of Belichik's inner circle?
You have no idea just like the rest of us so it's a complete matter of opinion / speculation.
Sure, every team in the league is more than willing to bend if not completely break the rules. But we'll never know to what extent the Pats "cheated" and even if we did, we'd probably never be able to figure out how common place it is among other teams.
More importantly, as I said, you can sit here sit here saying "no biggie" while I sit here saying "put an asterisk" until we're blue in the face but it's pointless b/c we just don't know enough. That's why the whole thing (and this thread) should just go away.
McNicholl, Michael
misfortunes)...
Mike
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Alan Topal
> --- On Thu, 5/15/08, Alan Topal <ATo...@uamail.albany.edu> wrote:
>
> > Here's what the Pats did: they tried to figure out what the
> > other team was going to do before they did it. Same as every
> > other team in the league. That's the intent, that's the "crime".
> > So long as they didn't steal the playbook or spy on a meeting,
> > I don't really care what tool they used to do it.
> >
> How is it exactly that you know what they did? Part of
> Belichik's inner circle?
>
> You have no idea just like the rest of us so it's a complete
> matter of opinion / speculation.
In that case every team is equally guilty, since you and I can't be sure
what they have or haven't done.
They're charged with filming something you can see with the naked eye,
in public. So maybe they had better study notes for the exam, but it's
not like they stole the test or even peaked at the teacher's lesson
plan. They recorded the same class everybody else was sitting in on.
-Alan
Wally Gobetz
> misfortunes)...
i got way more pleasure out of their super bowl loss (and his postgame
interview) than i am about this stuff. i'm with alan, i'm about as done
with the story as i am the bonds perjury/clemens antidefamation suit.
there's nothing more to find out at this point...at least nothing that the
nfl can't or won't sweep under the rug. they got their punishment...which
was actually pretty harsh (find me one other instance of an nfl team losing
a 1st round pick as a penalty for something, let alone the fines they were
levied). belichick's reputation is somewhat tarnished. some will always
see an asterisk next to those championships...and as alan said, it's
probably going to be a bigger asterisk than it should be. i'm ready to move
on.