What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
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Adam Colbert
Sep 30, 2009, 1:08:52 AM9/30/09
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can anybody please answer that for me?
Subin Mavunkal
Sep 30, 2009, 1:19:26 AM9/30/09
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hi adam ,
what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you want to know the answer of it ?
what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you want to know the answer of it ?
mmo...@essex1.com
Sep 30, 2009, 4:14:39 AM9/30/09
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Hello,
I have contemplated your question Adam, I have researched it, I have been silent in listing to the voice of the Holy Ghost, but I did not find a name for the Holy Ghost in name form. I think the reason for this is because of what scripture says, "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." John 3:8 (NIV) We know a lot about the Holy Ghost from the references to wind and air in scripture going all the way back to Genesis with the creation of the world, but the wind is very elusive as it appears, disappears, and reappears causing it to not be something that we can ever have hold of.
I am reminded of the stream of living water, the sea of glass mixed with fire, the seven horns and eyes of the lamb, the seven priests with the horns blowing before the ark when it is in the open at times of war, and the seven golden lamp stands as well as the seven angles of the seven churches ( I could go into this more but this is kind of late). Consider the following passage, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp." Revelation 21:23 (NIV) Overall, it is thus the wind or air that blows on the light and causes the shadows to move, change, and dance.
Every shadow that appears on earth as what Hebrews suggests is a shadow of temple worship performed in heaven. Many of the angles serve in this temple in heaven, and we in some way shape or from interact with it. Overall, we know about it very specially because the profits talk about it, and Revelation also talks about it but it can be illusive to our understanding without having strong understanding of temple worship as the temple has undergone three major historic changes.
I by the way know the Islamic answer to your question Adam, and I disagree with it entirely and I find that the scripture does as well.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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Adam Colbert
Sep 30, 2009, 9:53:09 PM9/30/09
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well, to put it plainly, it's always said in Trinitarian contexts, "In
the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
name of Father = YHWH, quite arguably pronounced "Yah-weh" (my sincere
apologies for putting the vowels to those, particularly of Jewish
roots, that might have been offended. a note on that, i personally do
not believe it to be "blasphemous" to put the vowels. from my
understanding, such a notion of "blasphemy" in pronouncing - or
writing in full including vowels of - the Holy Name, YHWH, originates
in the translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Aramaic. at
least, that is what i have read to understand it. so i, personally,
see no harm in putting the vowels, but i respect those who may see
otherwise. what's more, putting only consonants without vowel markings
(as vowel markings cannot be included in this text format) is what i
would consider "no harm, no foul" though this could also be wrong).
name of the Son = Y'shua
name of the Holy Spirit = ???
it's important to note that whereas modern Bibles say "the LORD," this
is (usually) just an EXTREMELY poor translation - if even considered
that much - of "YHWH." in most cases, "the LORD" has been substituted
in for the Tetragrammaton "YHWH." i say "in most cases" because in
some instances, such as where the Old Testament says "the LORD
Almighty" or with something else instead of "Almighty," the Hebrew
could actually read differently. the Hebrew "Adonai" also means
"Lord," and when Adonai and YHWH appear together, it reads "Sovereign
LORD" in the NIV Bible. likewise, where the NIV Bible reads "the LORD
Almight," the Hebrew reads "YHWH of hosts." there are at least two
Hebrew words for "hosts": Sabaoth and Shaddai, the latter which can
also be translated as "Almighty." when "Adonai" and "YHWH Sabaoth"
occur together, the NIV Bible will read "the Lord, the LORD Almighty."
by the way, i'm not a Biblical scholar, i'm just one of the few people
that reads a modern day Bible's preface and takes note of it.
getting back to your questions, Subin, there are really multiple
reasons tied together. so i will say things as they come to mind.
first of all, to put it bluntly, if "in the name of the Holy Spirit"
is going to be said, then i want to know what that name is, as i
already said. so that's the most basic answer: if it's going to be
said "in the name of......" [regarding the Bible or otherwise] then it
is only proper that there be a name "of" that person, place, or thing.
indeed, there is power in the name of YHWH, and Y'shua/Jesus, but
these names were meant to be pronounced, proclaimed, indeed even
shouted and sung with great force and jubilation. there is power in
saying the name of our Lord, but there is arguably less power in
saying "in the name of the Lord," though in either case the power
behind it could lie in the faith of the person saying it. but i
personally believe that the actual name of the Lord holds power in
such a way that merely saying "in the name of the Lord" completely
falls short. it's on the ontological realm, to be sure, but there i
believe there is actual, consequential reactions (karma) that set
things in the world and beyond in motion merely by uttering the Holy
Name - such reactions may either be helpful or harmful depending on
the way the Name is spoken. if you think you don't believe me, then
think about this...... say the word "banana" [first word to come to
mind because i just ate one] repetitively, either angrily or joyfully,
whatever. there's not really a consequence in your spiritual life for
doing so. but would you dare utter the Holy Name of either YHWH or
Y'shua or Jesus without mindfulness and honestly think that it will
have no repercussion?
i am weary that all this discussion on the subject will only lead to
talking ABOUT the subject, rather than finding an answer TO my
question. this is much like the Bible reading "in the name of the
LORD" and beating around the bush, always talking ABOUT the Name, but
never actually saying, and thus so much power is refrained from being
fully released. for as i stated, there is power in the name of the
Lord, but i don't believe there to be as much power in saying "in the
name of the Lord" versus ACTUALLY SAYING the Name of our Lord, be it
the Father's name YHWH or the Father's own incarnation of himself into
bodily form as Y'shua or Jesus.
Subin, there is much i could say on my own reasons for asking, but i
hope that that much suffices for now.
On Sep 30, 12:19 am, Subin Mavunkal <subinmavun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi adam ,
> what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you
> want to know the answer of it ?
>
the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit."
name of Father = YHWH, quite arguably pronounced "Yah-weh" (my sincere
apologies for putting the vowels to those, particularly of Jewish
roots, that might have been offended. a note on that, i personally do
not believe it to be "blasphemous" to put the vowels. from my
understanding, such a notion of "blasphemy" in pronouncing - or
writing in full including vowels of - the Holy Name, YHWH, originates
in the translation of the Old Testament from Hebrew into Aramaic. at
least, that is what i have read to understand it. so i, personally,
see no harm in putting the vowels, but i respect those who may see
otherwise. what's more, putting only consonants without vowel markings
(as vowel markings cannot be included in this text format) is what i
would consider "no harm, no foul" though this could also be wrong).
name of the Son = Y'shua
name of the Holy Spirit = ???
it's important to note that whereas modern Bibles say "the LORD," this
is (usually) just an EXTREMELY poor translation - if even considered
that much - of "YHWH." in most cases, "the LORD" has been substituted
in for the Tetragrammaton "YHWH." i say "in most cases" because in
some instances, such as where the Old Testament says "the LORD
Almighty" or with something else instead of "Almighty," the Hebrew
could actually read differently. the Hebrew "Adonai" also means
"Lord," and when Adonai and YHWH appear together, it reads "Sovereign
LORD" in the NIV Bible. likewise, where the NIV Bible reads "the LORD
Almight," the Hebrew reads "YHWH of hosts." there are at least two
Hebrew words for "hosts": Sabaoth and Shaddai, the latter which can
also be translated as "Almighty." when "Adonai" and "YHWH Sabaoth"
occur together, the NIV Bible will read "the Lord, the LORD Almighty."
by the way, i'm not a Biblical scholar, i'm just one of the few people
that reads a modern day Bible's preface and takes note of it.
getting back to your questions, Subin, there are really multiple
reasons tied together. so i will say things as they come to mind.
first of all, to put it bluntly, if "in the name of the Holy Spirit"
is going to be said, then i want to know what that name is, as i
already said. so that's the most basic answer: if it's going to be
said "in the name of......" [regarding the Bible or otherwise] then it
is only proper that there be a name "of" that person, place, or thing.
indeed, there is power in the name of YHWH, and Y'shua/Jesus, but
these names were meant to be pronounced, proclaimed, indeed even
shouted and sung with great force and jubilation. there is power in
saying the name of our Lord, but there is arguably less power in
saying "in the name of the Lord," though in either case the power
behind it could lie in the faith of the person saying it. but i
personally believe that the actual name of the Lord holds power in
such a way that merely saying "in the name of the Lord" completely
falls short. it's on the ontological realm, to be sure, but there i
believe there is actual, consequential reactions (karma) that set
things in the world and beyond in motion merely by uttering the Holy
Name - such reactions may either be helpful or harmful depending on
the way the Name is spoken. if you think you don't believe me, then
think about this...... say the word "banana" [first word to come to
mind because i just ate one] repetitively, either angrily or joyfully,
whatever. there's not really a consequence in your spiritual life for
doing so. but would you dare utter the Holy Name of either YHWH or
Y'shua or Jesus without mindfulness and honestly think that it will
have no repercussion?
i am weary that all this discussion on the subject will only lead to
talking ABOUT the subject, rather than finding an answer TO my
question. this is much like the Bible reading "in the name of the
LORD" and beating around the bush, always talking ABOUT the Name, but
never actually saying, and thus so much power is refrained from being
fully released. for as i stated, there is power in the name of the
Lord, but i don't believe there to be as much power in saying "in the
name of the Lord" versus ACTUALLY SAYING the Name of our Lord, be it
the Father's name YHWH or the Father's own incarnation of himself into
bodily form as Y'shua or Jesus.
Subin, there is much i could say on my own reasons for asking, but i
hope that that much suffices for now.
On Sep 30, 12:19 am, Subin Mavunkal <subinmavun...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi adam ,
> what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you
> want to know the answer of it ?
>
Adam Colbert
Sep 30, 2009, 10:09:22 PM9/30/09
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so, in short, you're saying that the Bible gives no name to the Holy
Spirit?
i know this may sound terrible, but in this thread topic please leave
out the discussion of the various manifestions of the Spirit (i.e. the
burning bush or the many seven-fold objects), unless they directly
serve to answer my question. i'm just asking for a "fill in the
blank," plain and simple. The name of the Holy Spirit is _______.
i had no idea that the Koran even had a name for the Spirit. if you
have such a reply in that form, then throw it out there to increase my
knowledge base. in fact, spit out any other terms from any other
religion that may or may not be their equivalent of the Holy Spirit. i
mean, it doesn't exactly help me out here, but i'm always game for
more knowledge on various subjects.
but regarding what you put as "the Islamic answer" to my question, i
find it strange that you say "I disagree with it entirely and I find
that the scripture does as well" because, as you already said, you
haven't found the scripture to give a name in the first place. then
again, i suppose ANY name other than what the Bible says would de
facto not be in agreement with the Bible since the Bible does not (to
my knowledge) provide a name. it's rather difficult for one thing to
agree with another thing when it's lacking altogether in the first.
like, Spanish doesn't agree with the terms "do, does, did" insofar as
there is no Spanish equivalent.
oh boy...........i'm already the cause of that which i wanted to
avoid: a lot of discussion without getting to an answer.
On Sep 30, 3:14 am, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have contemplated your question Adam, I have researched it, I have been silent in listing to the voice of the Holy Ghost, but I did not find a name for the Holy Ghost in name form. I think the reason for this is because of what scripture says, "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." John 3:8 (NIV) We know a lot about the Holy Ghost from the references to wind and air in scripture going all the way back to Genesis with the creation of the world, but the wind is very elusive as it appears, disappears, and reappears causing it to not be something that we can ever have hold of.
> I am reminded of the stream of living water, the sea of glass mixed with fire, the seven horns and eyes of the lamb, the seven priests with the horns blowing before the ark when it is in the open at times of war, and the seven golden lamp stands as well as the seven angles of the seven churches ( I could go into this more but this is kind of late). Consider the following passage, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp." Revelation 21:23 (NIV) Overall, it is thus the wind or air that blows on the light and causes the shadows to move, change, and dance.
> Every shadow that appears on earth as what Hebrews suggests is a shadow of temple worship performed in heaven. Many of the angles serve in this temple in heaven, and we in some way shape or from interact with it. Overall, we know about it very specially because the profits talk about it, and Revelation also talks about it but it can be illusive to our understanding without having strong understanding of temple worship as the temple has undergone three major historic changes.
>
> I by the way know the Islamic answer to your question Adam, and I disagree with it entirely and I find that the scripture does as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
>
> mmo...@essex1.com------- Original Message -------
> From : Subin Mavunkal[mailto:subinmavun...@gmail.com]
Spirit?
i know this may sound terrible, but in this thread topic please leave
out the discussion of the various manifestions of the Spirit (i.e. the
burning bush or the many seven-fold objects), unless they directly
serve to answer my question. i'm just asking for a "fill in the
blank," plain and simple. The name of the Holy Spirit is _______.
i had no idea that the Koran even had a name for the Spirit. if you
have such a reply in that form, then throw it out there to increase my
knowledge base. in fact, spit out any other terms from any other
religion that may or may not be their equivalent of the Holy Spirit. i
mean, it doesn't exactly help me out here, but i'm always game for
more knowledge on various subjects.
but regarding what you put as "the Islamic answer" to my question, i
find it strange that you say "I disagree with it entirely and I find
that the scripture does as well" because, as you already said, you
haven't found the scripture to give a name in the first place. then
again, i suppose ANY name other than what the Bible says would de
facto not be in agreement with the Bible since the Bible does not (to
my knowledge) provide a name. it's rather difficult for one thing to
agree with another thing when it's lacking altogether in the first.
like, Spanish doesn't agree with the terms "do, does, did" insofar as
there is no Spanish equivalent.
oh boy...........i'm already the cause of that which i wanted to
avoid: a lot of discussion without getting to an answer.
On Sep 30, 3:14 am, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have contemplated your question Adam, I have researched it, I have been silent in listing to the voice of the Holy Ghost, but I did not find a name for the Holy Ghost in name form. I think the reason for this is because of what scripture says, "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." John 3:8 (NIV) We know a lot about the Holy Ghost from the references to wind and air in scripture going all the way back to Genesis with the creation of the world, but the wind is very elusive as it appears, disappears, and reappears causing it to not be something that we can ever have hold of.
> I am reminded of the stream of living water, the sea of glass mixed with fire, the seven horns and eyes of the lamb, the seven priests with the horns blowing before the ark when it is in the open at times of war, and the seven golden lamp stands as well as the seven angles of the seven churches ( I could go into this more but this is kind of late). Consider the following passage, "The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp." Revelation 21:23 (NIV) Overall, it is thus the wind or air that blows on the light and causes the shadows to move, change, and dance.
> Every shadow that appears on earth as what Hebrews suggests is a shadow of temple worship performed in heaven. Many of the angles serve in this temple in heaven, and we in some way shape or from interact with it. Overall, we know about it very specially because the profits talk about it, and Revelation also talks about it but it can be illusive to our understanding without having strong understanding of temple worship as the temple has undergone three major historic changes.
>
> I by the way know the Islamic answer to your question Adam, and I disagree with it entirely and I find that the scripture does as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
>
> From : Subin Mavunkal[mailto:subinmavun...@gmail.com]
> Sent : 9/30/2009 12:19:26 AM
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> Subject : RE: Re: What is the name of the Holy Spirit?
>
> hi adam ,
> what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you want to know the answer of it ?
>
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>
> hi adam ,
> what was the cause behind your question ?.I mean why do you want to know the answer of it ?
>
Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 1, 2009, 4:44:59 AM10/1/09
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Adam,
I agree with your names for the Father and the Son, and I was going to
post those named as well prior to you having done so. I have been
working on the following study for the name of the Holy Ghost for many
hours now both in scripture reading and in meditation. Overall, I
have tried to answer as closely as possible, and I may have been given
the answer to some extent. Please Adam take my work, and try
diligently meditate upon it.
First of all consider the word AHAVA meaning love in Hebrew (by the
way scripture says that God is love); moreover, it is said that the
first two letters in Hebrew mean to give and from this collectively
the entire word etymologically can be taken to mean I give. Remember
that Jesus said, "I WILL GIVE you the comforter" in regards to the
Holy Ghost, and Eve whom was given to man by God is named Havah (this
is a very similar word). Note as well that God made man in his image
and likeness, and just as Eve proceeded from Adam so too Christ whom
is called the second Adam causes the gift of the Holy Ghost to proceed
down on man in Pentecost after his death and resurrection. Also note
that I have noticed that the word ‘gift’ just in itself has been taken
to mean the name as a proper noun of the Holy Ghost by some people in
the scholarly community.
Consider the following in regard to love, "Dear friends, let us love
one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born
of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God,
because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He
sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through
him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and
sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends,
since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has
ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his
love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in
us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and
testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the
world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives
in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for
us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him."
1 John 4:7-16 (NIV) Overall, by love (AHAVA) the Father sent his son
into the world, and God is love. I am told that even Saint Augistine
found the Holy Ghost to be the love between the Father and the Son.
In reference to the Holy Ghost containing the two great witness the
following is said, "God made two great lights—the greater light to
govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made
the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on
the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from
darkness. Genesis 1:16-18 (NIV) Consider this in reference to the
following, "A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman
clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of
twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as
she was about to give birth", and note this is said in regard to Marry
giving birth to Christ. Revelation 12:1-2 (NIV) Also note that the
many stars in the sky refer to all those whom are in the Spirit and
are God’s children (they shine the light of God), and also note the 7
stars that Christ holds in his hand are the seven angels of the seven
churches according to Revelation as well.
Consider as well the following, "And God said, "Let the water teem
with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the
expanse of the sky." So God created the great creatures of the sea
and every living and moving thing with which the water teems,
according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful
and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the
birds increase on the earth." Genesis 1:20-22 Revelation makes
references to the many waters in regards to the many people, and also
note that the Holy Ghost is described as wind or air. The point is
that the Holy Ghost is what sustains all of creation in its most
direct relationship with it, but unlike the stars in the sky not all
of creation shines God’s light onto the earth even though much of
creation moves throughout the air and the waters and are sustained by
it.
Consider the following, "'Listen, O high priest Joshua and your
associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come:
I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. See, the stone I have set
in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will
engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will
remove the sin of this land in a single day. " 'In that day each of
you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree,'
declares the LORD Almighty." Zechariah 3:8-10 (NIV) The stone with
the seven eyes is Christ with the seven horns and the seven eyes in
Revelation, and remember the staff of Aaron that had budded and
produced fruit as this is symbolized along with the seven horns and
seven eyes the Holy Ghost. Overall, the branch is what produces the
fruit, and according to the scripture the fruits of the spirit are
many. Also note that the neighbors being invited to sit under each
man’s fig tree is a result of Christ making the unclean clean by the
outpouring of the Holy Ghost (AHAVA).
Consider the following, "I looked up again—and there before me were
four chariots coming out from between two mountains—mountains of
bronze! The first chariot had red horses, the second black, the third
white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. I asked the angel
who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?" The angel answered
me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in
the presence of the Lord of the whole world. The one with the black
horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white
horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the
south." When the powerful horses went out, they were straining to go
throughout the earth. And he said, "Go throughout the earth!" So they
went throughout the earth. Then he called to me, "Look, those going
toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the
north." Zechariah 6:1-8 (NIV) Overall, the four chariots or spirits
going out from the presence of the Lord are the four witness (Matthew,
Mark, Luke, and John), and the two bronze mountains appear to be the
two great witness whom are spoken about in Revelation with the powers
of Elijah and Moses as noted with the transconfigeration of Christ
(the two great witness appear as cast shadows with Aaron and Moses,
John and Jesus, Moses and Elijah, and the two witnesses of the New
Jerusalem).
Consider how the two witness and the four witness occur before the
throne of God in the temple of God mentioned in Revelation. "After
this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven
(the blood atonement of Christ opens the door I believe). And the
voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up
here, and I will show you what must take place after this." At once I
was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with
someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance
of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled
the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones
(the twelve apostles and the twelve patriarchs), and seated on them
were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of
gold on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning,
rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were
blazing. These are the seven spirits of God (This is the Holy Ghost or
the branch of lights). Also before the throne there was what looked
like a sea of glass, clear as crystal (God’s people come out of the
sea). In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures
(the four witness), and they were covered with eyes, in front and in
back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like
an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying
eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was
covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night
they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,
who was, and is, and is to come." Whenever the living creatures give
glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives
for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who
sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They
lay their crowns before the throne and say: "You are worthy, our Lord
and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all
things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
Revelation 4 (NIV) The throne of God is the location of the ark of
the covenant on the atonement cover as this is the location that God
spoke from in the Hebrew scripture, and the two witness are the
cherubim on either side. Also note that the seven golden lamb stand
has four budding flowers, and I take this to refer to the four
witnesses. Most significant is the sea, and this is a huge water
container that the temple had that rested on I believe twelve statues
of bulls in four groups of three, and this was to represent the Red
Sea that Israel came out of (remember at this point the baptism of
Moses in the Israelites going under the sea, and remember as well the
baptism of the Holy Ghost or baptism of fire when the sea of glass is
mixed with fire) and it is thus the entry for us as it is for us the
baptism that brings us into the New Jerusalem.
Consider the following, "In that day seven women will take hold of one
man and say, "We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take
away our disgrace!" In that day the Branch of the LORD will be
beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride
and glory of the survivors in Israel. Isaiah 4:1-2 (NIV) Again this
is a clear reference to the work of the Holy Ghost because the branch
of the Lord is what produces the fruit of the spirit of God, but note
that I will demonstrate that the branch is Christ according to other
scripture and thus the Holy Ghost is what projects from Christ.
Consider the following, "The word of the LORD came to me: "Take silver
and gold from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah and Jedaiah, who have arrived
from Babylon. Go the same day to the house of Josiah son of
Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on
the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jehozadak. Tell him this
is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the
Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of
the LORD. (this was the second temple) It is he who will build the
temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit
and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And
there will be harmony between the two.' The crown will be given to
Heldai, Tobijah, Jedaiah and Hen son of Zephaniah as a memorial in the
temple of the LORD. Those who are far away will come and help to
build the temple of the LORD, and you will know that the LORD Almighty
has sent me to you. This will happen if you diligently obey the LORD
your God." Zechariah 6:9-15 (NIV) Yes Jesus does say, "destroy this
temple and I will rebuild it in three days, and the branch is an
elusion to Christ rebuilding the temple (also note the four among the
branch). I find however that the branching is the work of the Holy
Ghost, and as a result I would say that Christ sits on the throne but
his horns and eyes are the thing that branches or produces fruit on
the branches.
Consider the following, "'The days are coming,' declares the LORD,
'when I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of
Israel and to the house of Judah. "'In those days and at that time I
will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what
is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and
Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be
called: The LORD Our Righteousness.' (Jehovah Tsidkenu) For this is
what the LORD says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the
throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites,
ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt
offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.' " The
word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: "This is what the LORD says: 'If
you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night,
so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, then my
covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who
are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no
longer have a descendant to reign on his throne. I will make the
descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me
as countless as the stars of the sky and as measureless as the sand on
the seashore.' " Jeremiah 33:14-22 (NIV) We know that Christ is of
the tribe of Judah and our high priest forever in the order of
Malkezadek whom was paid the tithe through Levi whom paid the tithe
through Abraham, but God is very firm that Levi will never fail to
stand before the lord continually through the two great lights or two
great witness (sun and moon). My understanding is that thus when the
end comes Christ will reveal himself to everyone, and every knee will
bow and at that time like Saint Paul having Christ suddenly shown to
him the Jews will know whom God is and be saved. On the other hand
the two witness are shown in the Exodus to be Moses and Aaron whom are
the great lights that stand before the Lord as they can go at their
appointed times into the Most Holy place, however some could say thus
that the covenant with the son and moon had been broken in those terms
(the problem is that Christ is the son of David whom sits on the
throne and this would exclude him from sitting on the throne according
to the above prophesy). Overall, Just as the crucifixion of Christ
cased his flesh to be torn and thus the curtain around the temple as
well was torn thus causing no separation from the holy and everything
else causing what was unclean to be considered clean, thus we must
also consider the name Jehovah Tsidkenu (the righteous branch) to be
referring to that outpouring as Christ gave up the ghost (the elusion
to Christ in the branch however cannot be misunderstood).
Consider also the following, "I will place shepherds over them who
will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor
will any be missing," declares the LORD. "The days are coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the
land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in
safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our
Righteousness." Jeremiah 23:4-6 (NIV) Yes this does refer to Christ
as king of the house of David, but at the same time it is the Spirit
that produces the fruit of the Spirit. The horns and eyes of the
lamb, the spirits of God, the Holy Ghost is the outpouring of love
from the crucifixion that brings about this righteousness.
Yes the ninth chapter of Romans in describing God’s sovereignty does
indicate that the Jews are thrown out like Ishmael, and not everyone
whom is Israel is truly Israel but at the same time God has prepared
the Jews and returned them to their land after all these centuries for
a purpose. Is that purpose that God would save them in the end by
revealing himself to them like Saint Paul?
In all consider the Holy Ghost as love (Havah) in this verse, "In love
a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it—one
from the house of David— one who in judging seeks justice and speeds
the cause of righteousness." Isaiah 16:5 (NIV) Also consider that in
the first chapter of John the Logos is the word, and the Word is the
inward though of God projected outwardly and thus the thought of God
is like (as I use the analogy) the Father, the embodiment of this
throughout is Christ, and the impact of this thought as it comes out
of the mouth of God is like its love that it manifests (the Holy
Ghost). Consider that the Father decides to give a wedding banquet
for his son, this banquet is for Christ the bride groom of the New
Jerusalem whom is the vine, and the Holy Ghost has to go out into the
city and invite everyone out of love and out of love everyone that
does attend is given the clean garments washed in the blood in order
to attend the feast and be closed in righteousness (this is the fruit
of the vine of Christ the work of the Holy Ghost). Overall, the Holy
Ghost is the most immediate person of the Trinity as he brings a
person into all truth out of Love, but it is the Father whom is the
vine dresser whom cuts off what does not bare fruit in Christ.
Pray about this Adam, and do not hesitate to attempt to clarify my
points.
I agree with your names for the Father and the Son, and I was going to
post those named as well prior to you having done so. I have been
working on the following study for the name of the Holy Ghost for many
hours now both in scripture reading and in meditation. Overall, I
have tried to answer as closely as possible, and I may have been given
the answer to some extent. Please Adam take my work, and try
diligently meditate upon it.
First of all consider the word AHAVA meaning love in Hebrew (by the
way scripture says that God is love); moreover, it is said that the
first two letters in Hebrew mean to give and from this collectively
the entire word etymologically can be taken to mean I give. Remember
that Jesus said, "I WILL GIVE you the comforter" in regards to the
Holy Ghost, and Eve whom was given to man by God is named Havah (this
is a very similar word). Note as well that God made man in his image
and likeness, and just as Eve proceeded from Adam so too Christ whom
is called the second Adam causes the gift of the Holy Ghost to proceed
down on man in Pentecost after his death and resurrection. Also note
that I have noticed that the word ‘gift’ just in itself has been taken
to mean the name as a proper noun of the Holy Ghost by some people in
the scholarly community.
Consider the following in regard to love, "Dear friends, let us love
one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born
of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God,
because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He
sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through
him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and
sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends,
since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has
ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his
love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in
us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and
testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the
world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives
in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for
us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him."
1 John 4:7-16 (NIV) Overall, by love (AHAVA) the Father sent his son
into the world, and God is love. I am told that even Saint Augistine
found the Holy Ghost to be the love between the Father and the Son.
In reference to the Holy Ghost containing the two great witness the
following is said, "God made two great lights—the greater light to
govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made
the stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on
the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from
darkness. Genesis 1:16-18 (NIV) Consider this in reference to the
following, "A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman
clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of
twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as
she was about to give birth", and note this is said in regard to Marry
giving birth to Christ. Revelation 12:1-2 (NIV) Also note that the
many stars in the sky refer to all those whom are in the Spirit and
are God’s children (they shine the light of God), and also note the 7
stars that Christ holds in his hand are the seven angels of the seven
churches according to Revelation as well.
Consider as well the following, "And God said, "Let the water teem
with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the
expanse of the sky." So God created the great creatures of the sea
and every living and moving thing with which the water teems,
according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful
and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the
birds increase on the earth." Genesis 1:20-22 Revelation makes
references to the many waters in regards to the many people, and also
note that the Holy Ghost is described as wind or air. The point is
that the Holy Ghost is what sustains all of creation in its most
direct relationship with it, but unlike the stars in the sky not all
of creation shines God’s light onto the earth even though much of
creation moves throughout the air and the waters and are sustained by
it.
Consider the following, "'Listen, O high priest Joshua and your
associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come:
I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. See, the stone I have set
in front of Joshua! There are seven eyes on that one stone, and I will
engrave an inscription on it,' says the LORD Almighty, 'and I will
remove the sin of this land in a single day. " 'In that day each of
you will invite his neighbor to sit under his vine and fig tree,'
declares the LORD Almighty." Zechariah 3:8-10 (NIV) The stone with
the seven eyes is Christ with the seven horns and the seven eyes in
Revelation, and remember the staff of Aaron that had budded and
produced fruit as this is symbolized along with the seven horns and
seven eyes the Holy Ghost. Overall, the branch is what produces the
fruit, and according to the scripture the fruits of the spirit are
many. Also note that the neighbors being invited to sit under each
man’s fig tree is a result of Christ making the unclean clean by the
outpouring of the Holy Ghost (AHAVA).
Consider the following, "I looked up again—and there before me were
four chariots coming out from between two mountains—mountains of
bronze! The first chariot had red horses, the second black, the third
white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. I asked the angel
who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?" The angel answered
me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in
the presence of the Lord of the whole world. The one with the black
horses is going toward the north country, the one with the white
horses toward the west, and the one with the dappled horses toward the
south." When the powerful horses went out, they were straining to go
throughout the earth. And he said, "Go throughout the earth!" So they
went throughout the earth. Then he called to me, "Look, those going
toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the
north." Zechariah 6:1-8 (NIV) Overall, the four chariots or spirits
going out from the presence of the Lord are the four witness (Matthew,
Mark, Luke, and John), and the two bronze mountains appear to be the
two great witness whom are spoken about in Revelation with the powers
of Elijah and Moses as noted with the transconfigeration of Christ
(the two great witness appear as cast shadows with Aaron and Moses,
John and Jesus, Moses and Elijah, and the two witnesses of the New
Jerusalem).
Consider how the two witness and the four witness occur before the
throne of God in the temple of God mentioned in Revelation. "After
this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven
(the blood atonement of Christ opens the door I believe). And the
voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, "Come up
here, and I will show you what must take place after this." At once I
was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with
someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance
of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow, resembling an emerald, encircled
the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones
(the twelve apostles and the twelve patriarchs), and seated on them
were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of
gold on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning,
rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were
blazing. These are the seven spirits of God (This is the Holy Ghost or
the branch of lights). Also before the throne there was what looked
like a sea of glass, clear as crystal (God’s people come out of the
sea). In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures
(the four witness), and they were covered with eyes, in front and in
back. The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like
an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying
eagle. Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was
covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night
they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty,
who was, and is, and is to come." Whenever the living creatures give
glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives
for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who
sits on the throne, and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They
lay their crowns before the throne and say: "You are worthy, our Lord
and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all
things, and by your will they were created and have their being."
Revelation 4 (NIV) The throne of God is the location of the ark of
the covenant on the atonement cover as this is the location that God
spoke from in the Hebrew scripture, and the two witness are the
cherubim on either side. Also note that the seven golden lamb stand
has four budding flowers, and I take this to refer to the four
witnesses. Most significant is the sea, and this is a huge water
container that the temple had that rested on I believe twelve statues
of bulls in four groups of three, and this was to represent the Red
Sea that Israel came out of (remember at this point the baptism of
Moses in the Israelites going under the sea, and remember as well the
baptism of the Holy Ghost or baptism of fire when the sea of glass is
mixed with fire) and it is thus the entry for us as it is for us the
baptism that brings us into the New Jerusalem.
Consider the following, "In that day seven women will take hold of one
man and say, "We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes; only let us be called by your name. Take
away our disgrace!" In that day the Branch of the LORD will be
beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride
and glory of the survivors in Israel. Isaiah 4:1-2 (NIV) Again this
is a clear reference to the work of the Holy Ghost because the branch
of the Lord is what produces the fruit of the spirit of God, but note
that I will demonstrate that the branch is Christ according to other
scripture and thus the Holy Ghost is what projects from Christ.
Consider the following, "The word of the LORD came to me: "Take silver
and gold from the exiles Heldai, Tobijah and Jedaiah, who have arrived
from Babylon. Go the same day to the house of Josiah son of
Zephaniah. Take the silver and gold and make a crown, and set it on
the head of the high priest, Joshua son of Jehozadak. Tell him this
is what the LORD Almighty says: 'Here is the man whose name is the
Branch, and he will branch out from his place and build the temple of
the LORD. (this was the second temple) It is he who will build the
temple of the LORD, and he will be clothed with majesty and will sit
and rule on his throne. And he will be a priest on his throne. And
there will be harmony between the two.' The crown will be given to
Heldai, Tobijah, Jedaiah and Hen son of Zephaniah as a memorial in the
temple of the LORD. Those who are far away will come and help to
build the temple of the LORD, and you will know that the LORD Almighty
has sent me to you. This will happen if you diligently obey the LORD
your God." Zechariah 6:9-15 (NIV) Yes Jesus does say, "destroy this
temple and I will rebuild it in three days, and the branch is an
elusion to Christ rebuilding the temple (also note the four among the
branch). I find however that the branching is the work of the Holy
Ghost, and as a result I would say that Christ sits on the throne but
his horns and eyes are the thing that branches or produces fruit on
the branches.
Consider the following, "'The days are coming,' declares the LORD,
'when I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of
Israel and to the house of Judah. "'In those days and at that time I
will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what
is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and
Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be
called: The LORD Our Righteousness.' (Jehovah Tsidkenu) For this is
what the LORD says: 'David will never fail to have a man to sit on the
throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites,
ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt
offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.' " The
word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: "This is what the LORD says: 'If
you can break my covenant with the day and my covenant with the night,
so that day and night no longer come at their appointed time, then my
covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who
are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no
longer have a descendant to reign on his throne. I will make the
descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me
as countless as the stars of the sky and as measureless as the sand on
the seashore.' " Jeremiah 33:14-22 (NIV) We know that Christ is of
the tribe of Judah and our high priest forever in the order of
Malkezadek whom was paid the tithe through Levi whom paid the tithe
through Abraham, but God is very firm that Levi will never fail to
stand before the lord continually through the two great lights or two
great witness (sun and moon). My understanding is that thus when the
end comes Christ will reveal himself to everyone, and every knee will
bow and at that time like Saint Paul having Christ suddenly shown to
him the Jews will know whom God is and be saved. On the other hand
the two witness are shown in the Exodus to be Moses and Aaron whom are
the great lights that stand before the Lord as they can go at their
appointed times into the Most Holy place, however some could say thus
that the covenant with the son and moon had been broken in those terms
(the problem is that Christ is the son of David whom sits on the
throne and this would exclude him from sitting on the throne according
to the above prophesy). Overall, Just as the crucifixion of Christ
cased his flesh to be torn and thus the curtain around the temple as
well was torn thus causing no separation from the holy and everything
else causing what was unclean to be considered clean, thus we must
also consider the name Jehovah Tsidkenu (the righteous branch) to be
referring to that outpouring as Christ gave up the ghost (the elusion
to Christ in the branch however cannot be misunderstood).
Consider also the following, "I will place shepherds over them who
will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor
will any be missing," declares the LORD. "The days are coming,"
declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the
land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in
safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our
Righteousness." Jeremiah 23:4-6 (NIV) Yes this does refer to Christ
as king of the house of David, but at the same time it is the Spirit
that produces the fruit of the Spirit. The horns and eyes of the
lamb, the spirits of God, the Holy Ghost is the outpouring of love
from the crucifixion that brings about this righteousness.
Yes the ninth chapter of Romans in describing God’s sovereignty does
indicate that the Jews are thrown out like Ishmael, and not everyone
whom is Israel is truly Israel but at the same time God has prepared
the Jews and returned them to their land after all these centuries for
a purpose. Is that purpose that God would save them in the end by
revealing himself to them like Saint Paul?
In all consider the Holy Ghost as love (Havah) in this verse, "In love
a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it—one
from the house of David— one who in judging seeks justice and speeds
the cause of righteousness." Isaiah 16:5 (NIV) Also consider that in
the first chapter of John the Logos is the word, and the Word is the
inward though of God projected outwardly and thus the thought of God
is like (as I use the analogy) the Father, the embodiment of this
throughout is Christ, and the impact of this thought as it comes out
of the mouth of God is like its love that it manifests (the Holy
Ghost). Consider that the Father decides to give a wedding banquet
for his son, this banquet is for Christ the bride groom of the New
Jerusalem whom is the vine, and the Holy Ghost has to go out into the
city and invite everyone out of love and out of love everyone that
does attend is given the clean garments washed in the blood in order
to attend the feast and be closed in righteousness (this is the fruit
of the vine of Christ the work of the Holy Ghost). Overall, the Holy
Ghost is the most immediate person of the Trinity as he brings a
person into all truth out of Love, but it is the Father whom is the
vine dresser whom cuts off what does not bare fruit in Christ.
Pray about this Adam, and do not hesitate to attempt to clarify my
points.
Adam Colbert
Oct 3, 2009, 8:44:54 PM10/3/09
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Mathew, i REALLY like your reply. you have shed a lot of light - if
the Holy Spirit has a name, then surely it must lie within the Hebrew
text, very much quite possibly AHAVA, as you have put it. but i'm
gonna be honest.......i didn't read your entire message. it started
off very well on subject of the Name (or possible thereof), relating
AHAVA/love/to give/gift/Eve/etc. to the Spirit, but then you really
got a "consider the following" kick where you went on and on and on
talking about and giving scriptural citations which either directly or
indirectly addressed the Spirit. and i kept reading, waiting for you
to bring it back around to the Name, but after a few paragraphs i had
to scroll through to see just how much i still had to go to read.
after seeing that what i'd read was just the tip of the iceberg of
your more lengthy than usual post, i began skimming through, waiting
for you to relate "ahava" back into the conversation. it finally
reappeared in your last paragraph, but even then it was only mentioned
in the first sentence, the rest of the paragraph immediately fleeting
away from the relevance of the Name.
i do not mean this to say that i don't appreciate the rest of your
input which veered away from coming to a conclusion as to what the
name of the Spirit might be. in fact, i went back and started reading
what you put just for its inherent value, although in a "might as well
read it because it's here" kind of way. but perhaps, if you have a
concordance (as i do not), then you could go through your Old
Testament quotes and show where AHAVA (or a close or related variation
of it) appears.
but i am happy to know that you have put many hours into this
particular area of study. please continue if you are able.
adam
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the Holy Spirit has a name, then surely it must lie within the Hebrew
text, very much quite possibly AHAVA, as you have put it. but i'm
gonna be honest.......i didn't read your entire message. it started
off very well on subject of the Name (or possible thereof), relating
AHAVA/love/to give/gift/Eve/etc. to the Spirit, but then you really
got a "consider the following" kick where you went on and on and on
talking about and giving scriptural citations which either directly or
indirectly addressed the Spirit. and i kept reading, waiting for you
to bring it back around to the Name, but after a few paragraphs i had
to scroll through to see just how much i still had to go to read.
after seeing that what i'd read was just the tip of the iceberg of
your more lengthy than usual post, i began skimming through, waiting
for you to relate "ahava" back into the conversation. it finally
reappeared in your last paragraph, but even then it was only mentioned
in the first sentence, the rest of the paragraph immediately fleeting
away from the relevance of the Name.
i do not mean this to say that i don't appreciate the rest of your
input which veered away from coming to a conclusion as to what the
name of the Spirit might be. in fact, i went back and started reading
what you put just for its inherent value, although in a "might as well
read it because it's here" kind of way. but perhaps, if you have a
concordance (as i do not), then you could go through your Old
Testament quotes and show where AHAVA (or a close or related variation
of it) appears.
but i am happy to know that you have put many hours into this
particular area of study. please continue if you are able.
adam
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mmo...@essex1.com
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Hello,
I will try if I can to do more study and research for you Adam. I want you to know that the reason why the first part of my post was different from the second part of the same post is because I researched the divine names in reference to the scripture, and then I found the one that I thought that the Holy Ghost most represented then I researched the text and I came into some problems. It was almost when I had given up all hope in finding the solution that I suddenly received the word AHAVA through no work of my own, then I was lead to research it and then I was lead study specific scriptures that really eliminated the meaning. What I next did is I redid my research that I had done prior to being given the message, but only this time I redid it in light of the word AHAVA.
I do not think that I would have every found the name if I had just read the scripture without having the sudden interjection of this message put into me. The work that I should and perhaps you should also do is to analyze the scripture to test the spirit for clarity. I will try to work on this some more if I can set aside the time.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 5, 2009, 9:19:42 PM10/5/09
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Hello,
I have not found exact answers for you Adam, but I do have a lot to
say about the issue. I however will only say just a few things in
this email to make things easy for you and for me as well. The word
AHAVA has incredible meaning and does not mean just one thing or
another.
AHAVA both means the love between a husband and a wife, and similarly
it also means the love between God and man. The entire covenant of
circumcision was about guarding the heart from fallen love known as
lust. Fallen love is no real love at all.
I have a writing that I will perhaps share with you latter regarding
the circumcision of the heart. Also note that Abraham’s heart was
circumcised by God when he proved that he loved God more than Isaac by
offering his only son as a living sacrifice. By Abraham’s faith a
guard was put on his heart that protected him from fallen love in
order that the indwelling of the Holy Ghost may be upon him, and we
know that the seed of Man that bore Christ in natural decent came from
Abraham.
Having said this Adam if you really want to find your answer more
clearly, then contact Doctor Auxier tell him about the need for
research into AHAVA, and he may be able to help you because he knows
Hebrew scholars whom he rests his practice upon. See if he can also
have research done into the word and context in the book of R and the
book of J regarding the phrases in Genesis 22:2.
AHAVA is indeed a proper name, but it may be of Babylonian origin
according to some scholars. Please if you do go about asking Doctor
Auxier about this that you report back the results so that we can
interpret those results.
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I have not found exact answers for you Adam, but I do have a lot to
say about the issue. I however will only say just a few things in
this email to make things easy for you and for me as well. The word
AHAVA has incredible meaning and does not mean just one thing or
another.
AHAVA both means the love between a husband and a wife, and similarly
it also means the love between God and man. The entire covenant of
circumcision was about guarding the heart from fallen love known as
lust. Fallen love is no real love at all.
I have a writing that I will perhaps share with you latter regarding
the circumcision of the heart. Also note that Abraham’s heart was
circumcised by God when he proved that he loved God more than Isaac by
offering his only son as a living sacrifice. By Abraham’s faith a
guard was put on his heart that protected him from fallen love in
order that the indwelling of the Holy Ghost may be upon him, and we
know that the seed of Man that bore Christ in natural decent came from
Abraham.
Having said this Adam if you really want to find your answer more
clearly, then contact Doctor Auxier tell him about the need for
research into AHAVA, and he may be able to help you because he knows
Hebrew scholars whom he rests his practice upon. See if he can also
have research done into the word and context in the book of R and the
book of J regarding the phrases in Genesis 22:2.
AHAVA is indeed a proper name, but it may be of Babylonian origin
according to some scholars. Please if you do go about asking Doctor
Auxier about this that you report back the results so that we can
interpret those results.
On Oct 3, 10:26 pm, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I will try if I can to do more study and research for you Adam. I want you to know that the reason why the first part of my post was different from the second part of the same post is because I researched the divine names in reference to the scripture, and then I found the one that I thought that the Holy Ghost most represented then I researched the text and I came into some problems. It was almost when I had given up all hope in finding the solution that I suddenly received the word AHAVA through no work of my own, then I was lead to research it and then I was lead study specific scriptures that really eliminated the meaning. What I next did is I redid my research that I had done prior to being given the message, but only this time I redid it in light of the word AHAVA.
> I do not think that I would have every found the name if I had just read the scripture without having the sudden interjection of this message put into me. The work that I should and perhaps you should also do is to analyze the scripture to test the spirit for clarity. I will try to work on this some more if I can set aside the time.
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
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> Hello,
> I will try if I can to do more study and research for you Adam. I want you to know that the reason why the first part of my post was different from the second part of the same post is because I researched the divine names in reference to the scripture, and then I found the one that I thought that the Holy Ghost most represented then I researched the text and I came into some problems. It was almost when I had given up all hope in finding the solution that I suddenly received the word AHAVA through no work of my own, then I was lead to research it and then I was lead study specific scriptures that really eliminated the meaning. What I next did is I redid my research that I had done prior to being given the message, but only this time I redid it in light of the word AHAVA.
> I do not think that I would have every found the name if I had just read the scripture without having the sudden interjection of this message put into me. The work that I should and perhaps you should also do is to analyze the scripture to test the spirit for clarity. I will try to work on this some more if I can set aside the time.
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
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Peter VanGee
Oct 6, 2009, 4:40:04 PM10/6/09
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Hi all:
Spirit literally means breath. Which I took to be too simple to answer Adam's question.
The term Shekhinah is also worth looking into.
The American Indians refer to God in English as the Great Spirit. Their literal translation into the word spirit may be of some interest given the shamanesque nature of their faith...who knows how far back into prehistory the root of their tradition goes.
Know the Lord,
Pete
mmo...@essex1.com
Oct 6, 2009, 5:45:13 PM10/6/09
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Hello,
I agree with you Peter that spirit means wind or breath, and that is the first thing that come to mind when dealing with Adam’s question. I know the Hebrew phrase that this refers to but like you state it is of little help. I will try to spell it as it sounds, but I can not spell anything correctly without looking for it, "roohock ha kadesh"
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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