Larry Roy Woodsmall Jesus on the Web Manager
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Mathew Enoch Mount
Nov 18, 2009, 1:26:37 AM11/18/09
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Hello,
When Larry first joined our group, he asked if he could manage it, so
as a result after careful consideration and investigation I have
promoted Brother Larry Roy Woodsmall as a manger of Jesus on the Web.
Now the leadership of Jesus on the Web includes Adam Colbert whom is a
Owner, Evan Hale whom is a Owner, Larry Roy Woodsmall whom is a
Manager, and myself Mathew Enoch Mount whom is a Owner. Overall, we
now have four moderators again after the loss of the Jesus on the Web
Owner James Thomas (Jim T) whom many of us including myself loved very
dearly.
In case anyone does not know I would like to inform everyone about the
controversy that caused our fourth Jesus on the Web owner to remove
himself, and I still grieve the loss of Jim T as an owner to this day
because of how much zealousness that he had for the Lord. The link
provided below shows how we had a strong disagreement over the
scriptural bases of my actions that I took to help a Crippled Pregnant
Homeless Foodless Woman in Carbondale.
http://groups.google.com/group/jesus-the-christ/browse_thread/thread/e081e116e6a8c547?hl=en#
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
When Larry first joined our group, he asked if he could manage it, so
as a result after careful consideration and investigation I have
promoted Brother Larry Roy Woodsmall as a manger of Jesus on the Web.
Now the leadership of Jesus on the Web includes Adam Colbert whom is a
Owner, Evan Hale whom is a Owner, Larry Roy Woodsmall whom is a
Manager, and myself Mathew Enoch Mount whom is a Owner. Overall, we
now have four moderators again after the loss of the Jesus on the Web
Owner James Thomas (Jim T) whom many of us including myself loved very
dearly.
In case anyone does not know I would like to inform everyone about the
controversy that caused our fourth Jesus on the Web owner to remove
himself, and I still grieve the loss of Jim T as an owner to this day
because of how much zealousness that he had for the Lord. The link
provided below shows how we had a strong disagreement over the
scriptural bases of my actions that I took to help a Crippled Pregnant
Homeless Foodless Woman in Carbondale.
http://groups.google.com/group/jesus-the-christ/browse_thread/thread/e081e116e6a8c547?hl=en#
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Adam Colbert
Nov 19, 2009, 5:39:43 AM11/19/09
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i think having Larry as a manager is an excellent choice. i trust your
judgment of anybody you meet in person.....i wouldn't necessarily be
against giving him owner status........apart from the fact that you
gave me owner status within just a month or two of meeting and getting
to know me, there's really not a huge difference between it and
manager status anyway.......about all the more you can do is change
the name, delete the group, or ban members..........just got a hunch
he wouldn't do any of those things :P.
and i'd rather not re-live the "Jim T experience" of when things got
ugly at the end. my, oh my. i could see the misunderstanding and both
sides of what happened (and seeing both sides enough to see the
misunderstanding, as well), but the argument just escalated way too
far way too quickly. like, i seriously thought/think that Jim T had
other issues going on which fueled his rage......perhaps a demon stuck
on his back, in a way......with the way he vehemently reacted to
everything, one might actually hope a demon on his back *was* fueling
him, for concern of a deeper issue.
okay, maybe i've said to much. now i just got everybody interested.
i'll explain in BRIEF form what happened. (Mathew, watch and learn
about brevity lol j/k...not really....but kinda)... Mathew helped a
homeless person physically by providing food, but he did not preach
the gospel in word form. he also gave the woman Rev. Jim's phone
number for further assistance w/out Jim's prior authorization. this,
in combination with Mat giving a "handout," according to Jim, instead
of the gospel angered Jim, and he (Jim) wrongly took it that Mat was
trying to "brush off" the woman's needs onto him (Jim) instead of
Mathew taking them on himself, which was clearly not the case. then
Jim's head exploded into Google group format, and before removing
himself demanded that he never receive any mail from the group,
threatened legal action, and Mat proclaimed to Jim before he left that
he would have to renounce and repent certain viewpoints if he ever
desired to reenter the group. and we've never heard anything from him
since.
that went longer than i had planned, but in all fairness, that's about
as briefly as it can be put.
glad to have you aboard on the top decks, Larry, though i was always
glad to have you from your initial arrival to the group. find an
office with a window, pick out a desk, and even have your very own
water cooler. or just stay at your house where you've always been
lol.
adam
> http://groups.google.com/group/jesus-the-christ/browse_thread/thread/...
judgment of anybody you meet in person.....i wouldn't necessarily be
against giving him owner status........apart from the fact that you
gave me owner status within just a month or two of meeting and getting
to know me, there's really not a huge difference between it and
manager status anyway.......about all the more you can do is change
the name, delete the group, or ban members..........just got a hunch
he wouldn't do any of those things :P.
and i'd rather not re-live the "Jim T experience" of when things got
ugly at the end. my, oh my. i could see the misunderstanding and both
sides of what happened (and seeing both sides enough to see the
misunderstanding, as well), but the argument just escalated way too
far way too quickly. like, i seriously thought/think that Jim T had
other issues going on which fueled his rage......perhaps a demon stuck
on his back, in a way......with the way he vehemently reacted to
everything, one might actually hope a demon on his back *was* fueling
him, for concern of a deeper issue.
okay, maybe i've said to much. now i just got everybody interested.
i'll explain in BRIEF form what happened. (Mathew, watch and learn
about brevity lol j/k...not really....but kinda)... Mathew helped a
homeless person physically by providing food, but he did not preach
the gospel in word form. he also gave the woman Rev. Jim's phone
number for further assistance w/out Jim's prior authorization. this,
in combination with Mat giving a "handout," according to Jim, instead
of the gospel angered Jim, and he (Jim) wrongly took it that Mat was
trying to "brush off" the woman's needs onto him (Jim) instead of
Mathew taking them on himself, which was clearly not the case. then
Jim's head exploded into Google group format, and before removing
himself demanded that he never receive any mail from the group,
threatened legal action, and Mat proclaimed to Jim before he left that
he would have to renounce and repent certain viewpoints if he ever
desired to reenter the group. and we've never heard anything from him
since.
that went longer than i had planned, but in all fairness, that's about
as briefly as it can be put.
glad to have you aboard on the top decks, Larry, though i was always
glad to have you from your initial arrival to the group. find an
office with a window, pick out a desk, and even have your very own
water cooler. or just stay at your house where you've always been
lol.
adam
Mathew Enoch Mount
Nov 19, 2009, 10:16:01 AM11/19/09
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Hello,
I do not remember me telling Jim that he had to repent of certain view
points before re-entering the group since he was a co-owner, but I did
tell him that if he cast himself out of his own news group that it
would be like Christ committing suicide (my point was that for Jim to
remove himself from proclaiming the gospel on his own news group was
like crucifying himself). If you read the posts carefully no one
crucified Jim T, but everyone dug in to scriptural teaching about what
God’s views had been regarding the advice of a certain Baptist
minister that I never identified to the news group as Jim T (we
actually have several Baptist ministers that read this group).
Nevertheless Jim T was convinced that I was talking about him, and
that is why he replied the way that he did and he as mush as confessed
that it was him that I was talking about (it could or could not have
been him that I was talking about).
Also if you read the posts carefully, then you can identify that the
woman whom I was helping whom was crippled and pregnant matched the
description of Jim T’s ex-wife whom apparently could have been
physically at the setting that I found the woman in. I did not know
that this woman could have been the ex-wife of Jim T when I found her
and helped her, and I did not know that this woman could have been the
ex-wife of Jim T when I communicated to the news group the details of
the strong stance of a certain Baptist minister. Overall, I was
hoping to use the news group discussion in order to stimulate good
exchange regarding such theological points that this particular
Baptist minister had, but unfortunately the entire situation got out
of hand very quickly.
I held firm in my position and I visited Jim T in his apartment late
at night alone after the problem got to its highest point, and he
greeted me in the casual appearance of his bath robe and we spoke for
some time. Jim was friendly and he told me about how his senior
pastor (just I think a few days prior to the homeless woman incident)
invited many Baptist ministers to the church in order that they may
question him and ordain him into ministry of, "I believe that
particular congregation specifically", and I remember seeing all the
signatures on a paper that he had on his wall showing this (he was
ordained years prior to this as well to my understanding). Overall,
Jim T told me that day that I must remove him from the news group (he
did not know how to use the Google group controls to do it himself).
Jim T and I according to my memory hugged each other that day, but I
hardly ever saw Jim T again after that. A few months ago I visited
Carbondale again in order to check the status of my property, and I
visited Jim T at the same time by attending his church service
unannounced. Jim explained that during the inland hurricane he was
living at the church, but he praised God publicly that God give him
his bad leg that required him to use crutches because he was able to
move out of the church and into government housing (this is the same
man that said that when the poor hold out their hand that we should
place within it the gospel).
Jim no longer goes to school at SIU, and I am told from his church
that he no longer has as much time at the pulpit these days. Jim
really in a lot of ways had accomplished the challenge of
understanding the simplicity of the scripture and is able to
communicate that to other people. I really love Jim T a lot as we all
should, and I feel that his testimony regarding how he got saved is by
far one of the most important messages that people should hear. I
however feel that we should pray of Jim in order that God continues to
transform his life in incredible ways; moreover, despite what I think
about his perceived short comings theologically speaking I know that
he loves God more than most anyone else that I know with the exception
of a few people whom are on this news group. Overall, the fact that
Jim T is not hear anymore because he "removed himself" makes it very
difficult at best for us to offer our services to him, so all that we
can do is to pray for him.
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I do not remember me telling Jim that he had to repent of certain view
points before re-entering the group since he was a co-owner, but I did
tell him that if he cast himself out of his own news group that it
would be like Christ committing suicide (my point was that for Jim to
remove himself from proclaiming the gospel on his own news group was
like crucifying himself). If you read the posts carefully no one
crucified Jim T, but everyone dug in to scriptural teaching about what
God’s views had been regarding the advice of a certain Baptist
minister that I never identified to the news group as Jim T (we
actually have several Baptist ministers that read this group).
Nevertheless Jim T was convinced that I was talking about him, and
that is why he replied the way that he did and he as mush as confessed
that it was him that I was talking about (it could or could not have
been him that I was talking about).
Also if you read the posts carefully, then you can identify that the
woman whom I was helping whom was crippled and pregnant matched the
description of Jim T’s ex-wife whom apparently could have been
physically at the setting that I found the woman in. I did not know
that this woman could have been the ex-wife of Jim T when I found her
and helped her, and I did not know that this woman could have been the
ex-wife of Jim T when I communicated to the news group the details of
the strong stance of a certain Baptist minister. Overall, I was
hoping to use the news group discussion in order to stimulate good
exchange regarding such theological points that this particular
Baptist minister had, but unfortunately the entire situation got out
of hand very quickly.
I held firm in my position and I visited Jim T in his apartment late
at night alone after the problem got to its highest point, and he
greeted me in the casual appearance of his bath robe and we spoke for
some time. Jim was friendly and he told me about how his senior
pastor (just I think a few days prior to the homeless woman incident)
invited many Baptist ministers to the church in order that they may
question him and ordain him into ministry of, "I believe that
particular congregation specifically", and I remember seeing all the
signatures on a paper that he had on his wall showing this (he was
ordained years prior to this as well to my understanding). Overall,
Jim T told me that day that I must remove him from the news group (he
did not know how to use the Google group controls to do it himself).
Jim T and I according to my memory hugged each other that day, but I
hardly ever saw Jim T again after that. A few months ago I visited
Carbondale again in order to check the status of my property, and I
visited Jim T at the same time by attending his church service
unannounced. Jim explained that during the inland hurricane he was
living at the church, but he praised God publicly that God give him
his bad leg that required him to use crutches because he was able to
move out of the church and into government housing (this is the same
man that said that when the poor hold out their hand that we should
place within it the gospel).
Jim no longer goes to school at SIU, and I am told from his church
that he no longer has as much time at the pulpit these days. Jim
really in a lot of ways had accomplished the challenge of
understanding the simplicity of the scripture and is able to
communicate that to other people. I really love Jim T a lot as we all
should, and I feel that his testimony regarding how he got saved is by
far one of the most important messages that people should hear. I
however feel that we should pray of Jim in order that God continues to
transform his life in incredible ways; moreover, despite what I think
about his perceived short comings theologically speaking I know that
he loves God more than most anyone else that I know with the exception
of a few people whom are on this news group. Overall, the fact that
Jim T is not hear anymore because he "removed himself" makes it very
difficult at best for us to offer our services to him, so all that we
can do is to pray for him.
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ON EARTH Ministries
Nov 19, 2009, 4:58:14 PM11/19/09
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Thanks, Mathew, Adam, and Evan.
The realization that I was being as cautiously vetted by Brother
Mathew as he was by me was a reassuring surprise! LOL! Although I
must confess, before I was able to meet with him on two occasions, and
exchange several phone calls, I had the odd sensation of being
sized-up to see if I could be part of the club that meets in tree
house in the woods.
I realized that illusion was primarily due to the fact that I am in my
fifties, have a child who’s over thirty, and have been living near a
campus and working among college students for most of my life. To say
this isn’t intended to besmirch or malign, but to acknowledge that
many encountered in the academic environment, which are young, might
not bring the continuity and sustainability I have sought for
collaboration. As I get older, everyone else seems younger. And I
have seen a few young “bottle rockets” as the years have passed.
SSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZ…. POP!
To use one of Brother Mathew’s segues, “That having been said”; I am
genuinely pleased to be included, and will obey conventions and
protocol, as outlined to me by Mat. Adam also knows me well enough
from the content of my posts to know that, although I can be caught up
in the moment, love, respect, clarity, and compassion are imperative
to me. I hope to also get to know Evan better in the future, as he
seems to be as interesting, unique, and as genuine as Brothers Mathew
and Adam.
I know I have spoke before about my own personal journey in previous
strings, but let me briefly talk about what led me to Brother Mathew
and Jesus on the Web. Since being filled with the Holy Spirit,
surrendering my life to Jesus the Christ, and starting ON EARTH
Ministries, I have been on a quest for authenticity. Authenticity in
both my own life, and in the intentions of others.
Unfortunately, not to belabor an analogy I have used before, in my
search for fellow astronauts I have encountered many Star Trek Fans,
few fellow travelers, and RARELY anyone who is truly “not of this
world”. Here there be astronauts.
And then, quite frankly, there is the walking Revelation we call
Mathew Enoch Mount. When I had included in my prayers that I might
find a way to more fully understand the contextual Jesus I had no idea
how abundantly I would be answered. Not only have I gained insight
into the “Jewishness” of Jesus, but inspiration to look at the Old
Testament as a whole, in a new, fresh light. And believe me, I hadn’t
used the terms “new” and “fresh” in a sentence with “Old Testament” in
a very long time. He is truly a Holy man, a Child of the Family of
Yahweh, and “not of this world”. I give thanks for him daily.
Peace, and All Good Things,
Brother Larry Roy Woodsmall
ON EARTH MINISTRIES
The realization that I was being as cautiously vetted by Brother
Mathew as he was by me was a reassuring surprise! LOL! Although I
must confess, before I was able to meet with him on two occasions, and
exchange several phone calls, I had the odd sensation of being
sized-up to see if I could be part of the club that meets in tree
house in the woods.
I realized that illusion was primarily due to the fact that I am in my
fifties, have a child who’s over thirty, and have been living near a
campus and working among college students for most of my life. To say
this isn’t intended to besmirch or malign, but to acknowledge that
many encountered in the academic environment, which are young, might
not bring the continuity and sustainability I have sought for
collaboration. As I get older, everyone else seems younger. And I
have seen a few young “bottle rockets” as the years have passed.
SSSSSSSSSZZZZZZZZ…. POP!
To use one of Brother Mathew’s segues, “That having been said”; I am
genuinely pleased to be included, and will obey conventions and
protocol, as outlined to me by Mat. Adam also knows me well enough
from the content of my posts to know that, although I can be caught up
in the moment, love, respect, clarity, and compassion are imperative
to me. I hope to also get to know Evan better in the future, as he
seems to be as interesting, unique, and as genuine as Brothers Mathew
and Adam.
I know I have spoke before about my own personal journey in previous
strings, but let me briefly talk about what led me to Brother Mathew
and Jesus on the Web. Since being filled with the Holy Spirit,
surrendering my life to Jesus the Christ, and starting ON EARTH
Ministries, I have been on a quest for authenticity. Authenticity in
both my own life, and in the intentions of others.
Unfortunately, not to belabor an analogy I have used before, in my
search for fellow astronauts I have encountered many Star Trek Fans,
few fellow travelers, and RARELY anyone who is truly “not of this
world”. Here there be astronauts.
And then, quite frankly, there is the walking Revelation we call
Mathew Enoch Mount. When I had included in my prayers that I might
find a way to more fully understand the contextual Jesus I had no idea
how abundantly I would be answered. Not only have I gained insight
into the “Jewishness” of Jesus, but inspiration to look at the Old
Testament as a whole, in a new, fresh light. And believe me, I hadn’t
used the terms “new” and “fresh” in a sentence with “Old Testament” in
a very long time. He is truly a Holy man, a Child of the Family of
Yahweh, and “not of this world”. I give thanks for him daily.
Peace, and All Good Things,
Brother Larry Roy Woodsmall
ON EARTH MINISTRIES
Mathew Enoch Mount
Nov 19, 2009, 6:51:43 PM11/19/09
to Jesus On the Web
Hello,
Thank you Larry for your encouraging words, but I must confess to you
that if God did not give me things to give to others, then I would
have nothing to give of any value at all. Having this news group and
having people hungry for the word of God, means that God has a reason
to give me more and more revelation. This is how the news group has
blessed me incredibly in my life.
Regarding Jim T our previous co-owner, he was very bold in word,
speech, and action and he was about your age. One day at the Student
Center bookstore during back to school time a seemingly endless line
existed and I was standing in line dressed in my clerical uniform of
all black. I suddenly felt being pulled backwards as I heard the
scream, "DIE CATHOLIC", and I felt a sudden pressure between my neck
and shoulder. Everyone in the book store suddenly looked as they saw
Jim T the Baptist minister (whom appeared to many to be stabbing me
with a knife) and I, and then Jim T changed his expression suddenly by
saying something softly like, "so how is it going" as I believe I
remember him shaking my hand. Overall, Jim T was really a blessing
that day for me and for a lot of people that stood in a never ending
line of boredom.
One time when I visited Jim T’s church his senior pastor whom was
older then him had even more fervor then Jim for making shocking
points as he spoke softly about offering ourselves at the alter and
then pulled out a huge knife and stabbed it into the pulpit driving it
so deep into the pulpit that it could not easily be removed. I am not
trying to brag but years ago I topped both Jim and his pastor in
striking expression as I spoke before several hundred people in a
conference room in Union Station in Saint Louis as part of Midwest
Model United Nations (I represented Israel), and as a spoke on the
subject of international terrorism in a quivering way I suddenly took
off my shoe and slammed it on the floor three times as I screamed, we
will bring them in (spoken very softly), "DEAD OR ALIVE", "DEAD OR
ALIVE", "DEAD OR ALIVE" (shouted as the shoe was being slammed).
On Nov 19, 3:58 pm, ON EARTH Ministries
Thank you Larry for your encouraging words, but I must confess to you
that if God did not give me things to give to others, then I would
have nothing to give of any value at all. Having this news group and
having people hungry for the word of God, means that God has a reason
to give me more and more revelation. This is how the news group has
blessed me incredibly in my life.
Regarding Jim T our previous co-owner, he was very bold in word,
speech, and action and he was about your age. One day at the Student
Center bookstore during back to school time a seemingly endless line
existed and I was standing in line dressed in my clerical uniform of
all black. I suddenly felt being pulled backwards as I heard the
scream, "DIE CATHOLIC", and I felt a sudden pressure between my neck
and shoulder. Everyone in the book store suddenly looked as they saw
Jim T the Baptist minister (whom appeared to many to be stabbing me
with a knife) and I, and then Jim T changed his expression suddenly by
saying something softly like, "so how is it going" as I believe I
remember him shaking my hand. Overall, Jim T was really a blessing
that day for me and for a lot of people that stood in a never ending
line of boredom.
One time when I visited Jim T’s church his senior pastor whom was
older then him had even more fervor then Jim for making shocking
points as he spoke softly about offering ourselves at the alter and
then pulled out a huge knife and stabbed it into the pulpit driving it
so deep into the pulpit that it could not easily be removed. I am not
trying to brag but years ago I topped both Jim and his pastor in
striking expression as I spoke before several hundred people in a
conference room in Union Station in Saint Louis as part of Midwest
Model United Nations (I represented Israel), and as a spoke on the
subject of international terrorism in a quivering way I suddenly took
off my shoe and slammed it on the floor three times as I screamed, we
will bring them in (spoken very softly), "DEAD OR ALIVE", "DEAD OR
ALIVE", "DEAD OR ALIVE" (shouted as the shoe was being slammed).
On Nov 19, 3:58 pm, ON EARTH Ministries
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