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Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 8, 2009, 8:46:00 AM10/8/09
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Hello,
I just want to clarify some points that I may have been hazy about
earlier. I find that unlike I initially understood the woman whom
anointed the feet of Jesus also anointed the head as well even though
she did not have lordship over him and surrendered everything. After
anointed the feet of Jesus he would have brought her to anoint his
head as well because whomever humbles himself is exalted and whom ever
exalts himself is humbled. The point thus is that Christ demonstrates
the qualities of being the alpha and omega the beginning and the end
both in himself and in people whom submit everything to him so that
the first may be last and the last may be first.
The burning bush surrenders everything, but it is never consumed
because by surrendering everything God constantly fills it so that it
is a vessel that never holds back anything but constantly gives of all
of its contents. It was thus this vessel that God spoke through to
Moses. I find the baptism by fire to cleanse us of all our evil by
the same way that the burning bush would be cleansed of the fall, and
thus this circumcision of the heart causes the love of God to radiate
like the flames of the bush.
I understand the teaching of the church regarding sanctification and
glorification, and these teachings are correct. The point however
that I would make is that not everyone is sanctified through the
disciples actions of the 12 because even the Magi and the woman whom
anointed Jesus had been taught by God directly without the
intercession of man. Overall, I hope that all of you at some time in
your lives can become like the burning bush that always surrenders
everything to God while never being consumed in order that the Holy
Ghost will dwell through you so abundantly that God reveals himself to
others through you.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
I just want to clarify some points that I may have been hazy about
earlier. I find that unlike I initially understood the woman whom
anointed the feet of Jesus also anointed the head as well even though
she did not have lordship over him and surrendered everything. After
anointed the feet of Jesus he would have brought her to anoint his
head as well because whomever humbles himself is exalted and whom ever
exalts himself is humbled. The point thus is that Christ demonstrates
the qualities of being the alpha and omega the beginning and the end
both in himself and in people whom submit everything to him so that
the first may be last and the last may be first.
The burning bush surrenders everything, but it is never consumed
because by surrendering everything God constantly fills it so that it
is a vessel that never holds back anything but constantly gives of all
of its contents. It was thus this vessel that God spoke through to
Moses. I find the baptism by fire to cleanse us of all our evil by
the same way that the burning bush would be cleansed of the fall, and
thus this circumcision of the heart causes the love of God to radiate
like the flames of the bush.
I understand the teaching of the church regarding sanctification and
glorification, and these teachings are correct. The point however
that I would make is that not everyone is sanctified through the
disciples actions of the 12 because even the Magi and the woman whom
anointed Jesus had been taught by God directly without the
intercession of man. Overall, I hope that all of you at some time in
your lives can become like the burning bush that always surrenders
everything to God while never being consumed in order that the Holy
Ghost will dwell through you so abundantly that God reveals himself to
others through you.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Adam Colbert
Oct 9, 2009, 11:53:57 PM10/9/09
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just a few nights ago i looked up the burning bush passage. this was
in an attempt to find clarification of the Name, if any, of the Holy
Spirit. i looked up this passage because the Spirit is always likened
to the burning bush or a dove. well, looking in Exodus, i found
absolutely no allusion to the Spirit. in fact, Exodus 3:2 explicitly
says that it was an angel, i.e. messenger, of the LORD, i.e. YHWH.
"There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from
within a bush." the angel, which was a messenger of YHWH, is truly
what appeared, and that angel took the form of "flames of fire," and
the placement of the angel was "within a bush." i'm not saying the
English NIV Bible translation is the end-all, be-all of scripture, and
i won't jump to the conclusion that there isn't deeper Hebrew meaning
in the original text, but the basics seem to be fairly
straightforward; an angel/messenger appeared, that angel/messenger
took the form of flames, and that angel/messenger was seated within
the physical parameters of a bush on the earthly realm. also note that
the angel "APPEARED TO HIM in flames of fire from within a bush."
given the ambiguity of the English language and with words having
multiple meanings, "appear" could either mean "became visible,
manifested" or "gave the perception to be," among other meanings. so
while the angel "appeared" to Moses, though doing so in the form of
fire, to Moses the angel "appeared to be" a flaming bush. yeah, i'm
probably getting way too particular about the language now, but maybe
this is the type of scrutinizing that needs to be done.
the thing is, the burning bush wasn't the Spirit, the burning bush
wasn't an angel/messenger, the burning bush wasn't God. THE BUSH was
just a bush. probably just a shrubbery.......possibly not too big, not
too small (i know SOMEBODY out there appreciates the Monty Python
reference hahaha). but seriously, the bush was worthless. it "looked"
like a burning bush, but the bush itself was just another plant. it
was the Messenger of YHWH which "appeared to him in flames of fire."
sorry if it sounds like i'm trying to harp on the "traditional" way
wear hear the burning bush story, but i guess that's what i'm doing.
it's just that we hear things said in the same way over and over and
over again and the majority of us soon don't even realize that we've
stored the memory in a "convenient" manner as something other than
what it originally said and was supposed to be. happens all the time.
by the way, here's a link to the entire third chapter of Exodus:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+3&version=NIV.
in an attempt to find clarification of the Name, if any, of the Holy
Spirit. i looked up this passage because the Spirit is always likened
to the burning bush or a dove. well, looking in Exodus, i found
absolutely no allusion to the Spirit. in fact, Exodus 3:2 explicitly
says that it was an angel, i.e. messenger, of the LORD, i.e. YHWH.
"There the angel of the LORD appeared to him in flames of fire from
within a bush." the angel, which was a messenger of YHWH, is truly
what appeared, and that angel took the form of "flames of fire," and
the placement of the angel was "within a bush." i'm not saying the
English NIV Bible translation is the end-all, be-all of scripture, and
i won't jump to the conclusion that there isn't deeper Hebrew meaning
in the original text, but the basics seem to be fairly
straightforward; an angel/messenger appeared, that angel/messenger
took the form of flames, and that angel/messenger was seated within
the physical parameters of a bush on the earthly realm. also note that
the angel "APPEARED TO HIM in flames of fire from within a bush."
given the ambiguity of the English language and with words having
multiple meanings, "appear" could either mean "became visible,
manifested" or "gave the perception to be," among other meanings. so
while the angel "appeared" to Moses, though doing so in the form of
fire, to Moses the angel "appeared to be" a flaming bush. yeah, i'm
probably getting way too particular about the language now, but maybe
this is the type of scrutinizing that needs to be done.
the thing is, the burning bush wasn't the Spirit, the burning bush
wasn't an angel/messenger, the burning bush wasn't God. THE BUSH was
just a bush. probably just a shrubbery.......possibly not too big, not
too small (i know SOMEBODY out there appreciates the Monty Python
reference hahaha). but seriously, the bush was worthless. it "looked"
like a burning bush, but the bush itself was just another plant. it
was the Messenger of YHWH which "appeared to him in flames of fire."
sorry if it sounds like i'm trying to harp on the "traditional" way
wear hear the burning bush story, but i guess that's what i'm doing.
it's just that we hear things said in the same way over and over and
over again and the majority of us soon don't even realize that we've
stored the memory in a "convenient" manner as something other than
what it originally said and was supposed to be. happens all the time.
by the way, here's a link to the entire third chapter of Exodus:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+3&version=NIV.
Adam Colbert
Oct 9, 2009, 11:55:57 PM10/9/09
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holy moly, my reply was as long as the original post lol.
but i just wanted to tell you, Mat, that i really like these short
little articles of inspiration-of-the-moment as they seem to be that
you've been posting lately.
but i just wanted to tell you, Mat, that i really like these short
little articles of inspiration-of-the-moment as they seem to be that
you've been posting lately.
Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 10, 2009, 12:12:41 AM10/10/09
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Hello,
Yes Adam I realize what you are saying, but I think that you are
looking at the surface of things. We know from scripture that the
seven angels of the seven churches are the lights of the seven Golden
lamp stand and that scripture says that they are the spirits of God
(thus the Holy Ghost). We should not think any different about the
nature of the burning bush. My claim is that the seven angels dwelled
within or took care of humans so that the angel with the church leader
became like a burning bush for that church. This is the indwelling of
the Holy Ghost, and this union between God and man happens when we
surrender everything to God.
Yes Adam I realize what you are saying, but I think that you are
looking at the surface of things. We know from scripture that the
seven angels of the seven churches are the lights of the seven Golden
lamp stand and that scripture says that they are the spirits of God
(thus the Holy Ghost). We should not think any different about the
nature of the burning bush. My claim is that the seven angels dwelled
within or took care of humans so that the angel with the church leader
became like a burning bush for that church. This is the indwelling of
the Holy Ghost, and this union between God and man happens when we
surrender everything to God.
Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 10, 2009, 12:18:27 AM10/10/09
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Hello,
I am glad Adam. I am working on trying to help Larry with building
his church, and I am getting more involved with other things such that
I am starting to sit back more rather then be deep in meditation.
I am glad Adam. I am working on trying to help Larry with building
his church, and I am getting more involved with other things such that
I am starting to sit back more rather then be deep in meditation.
Adam Colbert
Oct 10, 2009, 4:14:45 AM10/10/09
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i appreciate your thoughts on the matter, as well as the previous work
you have done in times past on this as well as other subjects.
as for the sevenfold Spirit, is there [i'm asking] a strange
implication that the Spirit is in fact a 'unification' of seven
interdependent personalities? i'm not trying to be blasphemous or
anything, but i'm wondering how scripture handles the issue.
you have done in times past on this as well as other subjects.
as for the sevenfold Spirit, is there [i'm asking] a strange
implication that the Spirit is in fact a 'unification' of seven
interdependent personalities? i'm not trying to be blasphemous or
anything, but i'm wondering how scripture handles the issue.
Mathew Enoch Mount
Oct 10, 2009, 6:04:45 AM10/10/09
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Hello,
I hate to say this Adam, but approaching God can be a frightening
business and I think that is why most churches teach theology that is
superficial. It is like Adam and Eve hiding from God because they
knew that they are naked. Yet because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice
we can approach God about such questions and get answers, but I must
confess Adam that I would rather God came to me with such answers over
a long period of time instead because he knows best when we are ready
to be taught by him.
Thus digressing from personal revelation I will attempt to answer the
question with simple understanding of the scripture, Jewish mystical
theology, the temple, and such. First to note is that the seven
churches of Revelation had different problems, and we get the since
that different personalities existed among the seven churches by their
problems. Overall, Jesus Christ addressed each church as if each one
was run by a different Arch angel whom had a different personality (we
know angels have different personalities such as in the case of
Gabriel and Mike).
Just to throw something out to think about Adam (I am not saying that
you should think about it) I must inform you that certain ancient
Jewish Sages believed that a 216 letter name of God existed that was
spoken by the High Priest on the day of atonement. This 216 letter
name of God was broken into combinations of three letter sets to find
the 72 great angels so to speak. If this is true Adam, then when the
scripture uses phrase such as, "those whom come in my name" it may
literally mean just that. Overall, many believed that the name of God
was flowing throughout all of creation, and many evil people believed
that they could study the name of God manipulate it and put it to use
to serve their own interests.
I fear that contemporary science has unknowingly utilized the name of
God in doing work with genetic engineering as the name was also
understood to be equal to a numeric form. The one man whom you met in
person Adam whom spoke with us whom was a Messianic Jew derived all of
his volumes of work out of contemplating the name of God in one way or
another. He had a Master’s degree in biology and he was making so
called, ‘scientific discoveries.’ The amount of supernatural power
that flowed through the man was incredible to say the very least, but
I found no love in this man as he believed that God was only saving a
small handful of people out of an entire nation.
Answering your question regarding the personalities of the arch angels
I must say that the menorah in the temple has two different forms.
One form of the Menorah shows something like 7 candles separated
whereas the other shows 7 wicks that all draw from one container of
oil. Depending upon which Menorah you believe in that will help
significantly to clarify your views regarding the Holy Ghost as the
seven fold spirits with seven distinct personalities or not.
I know that this may not answer your question, but it will give a
little back ground for reasoning from for whatever that is worth. I
think however that the seven priests whom stood before the ark in
place of the Menorah during battle whom blew the seven horns shows
that yes in fact the seven fold spirit has seven personalities Joshua
6:4. Overall, I will try to look into this subject in the future and
tell you my findings, but I believe that the ancient Hebrew Sages went
so far as to have names for all seven arch angels according to what I
am told.
I hate to say this Adam, but approaching God can be a frightening
business and I think that is why most churches teach theology that is
superficial. It is like Adam and Eve hiding from God because they
knew that they are naked. Yet because of Christ’s atoning sacrifice
we can approach God about such questions and get answers, but I must
confess Adam that I would rather God came to me with such answers over
a long period of time instead because he knows best when we are ready
to be taught by him.
Thus digressing from personal revelation I will attempt to answer the
question with simple understanding of the scripture, Jewish mystical
theology, the temple, and such. First to note is that the seven
churches of Revelation had different problems, and we get the since
that different personalities existed among the seven churches by their
problems. Overall, Jesus Christ addressed each church as if each one
was run by a different Arch angel whom had a different personality (we
know angels have different personalities such as in the case of
Gabriel and Mike).
Just to throw something out to think about Adam (I am not saying that
you should think about it) I must inform you that certain ancient
Jewish Sages believed that a 216 letter name of God existed that was
spoken by the High Priest on the day of atonement. This 216 letter
name of God was broken into combinations of three letter sets to find
the 72 great angels so to speak. If this is true Adam, then when the
scripture uses phrase such as, "those whom come in my name" it may
literally mean just that. Overall, many believed that the name of God
was flowing throughout all of creation, and many evil people believed
that they could study the name of God manipulate it and put it to use
to serve their own interests.
I fear that contemporary science has unknowingly utilized the name of
God in doing work with genetic engineering as the name was also
understood to be equal to a numeric form. The one man whom you met in
person Adam whom spoke with us whom was a Messianic Jew derived all of
his volumes of work out of contemplating the name of God in one way or
another. He had a Master’s degree in biology and he was making so
called, ‘scientific discoveries.’ The amount of supernatural power
that flowed through the man was incredible to say the very least, but
I found no love in this man as he believed that God was only saving a
small handful of people out of an entire nation.
Answering your question regarding the personalities of the arch angels
I must say that the menorah in the temple has two different forms.
One form of the Menorah shows something like 7 candles separated
whereas the other shows 7 wicks that all draw from one container of
oil. Depending upon which Menorah you believe in that will help
significantly to clarify your views regarding the Holy Ghost as the
seven fold spirits with seven distinct personalities or not.
I know that this may not answer your question, but it will give a
little back ground for reasoning from for whatever that is worth. I
think however that the seven priests whom stood before the ark in
place of the Menorah during battle whom blew the seven horns shows
that yes in fact the seven fold spirit has seven personalities Joshua
6:4. Overall, I will try to look into this subject in the future and
tell you my findings, but I believe that the ancient Hebrew Sages went
so far as to have names for all seven arch angels according to what I
am told.
Lisa S
Oct 10, 2009, 11:36:39 PM10/10/09
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Hi Mathew and the Jesus is the Christ group,
I was just wanting to ask all you a question or whomever would be interested enough to comment.
Was it our Lord Jesus Christ who said something like
"God helps he who helps himself" in the Gospels of Jesus Christ?
I don't know if I have this exactly correct and I don't know if it was Jesus who
said this - I was thinking it was.
Doesn't this kind of mean, or actually mean, that we all should
work on issues and problems we have for the
benefit of ourselves, our fellow man and our Christianity?
Or I mean my above ? could be one of the things we help ourselves with.
Sincerely,
Lisa
Mathew's close friend, girlfriend or he likes to refer to me as
his fiance although we are not that far into our long distance relationship
note *we were together over a year, non long distance
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:04:45 -0700
> Subject: Re: Burning Bush - Holy Ghost
> From: mmo...@essex1.com
> To: jesus-th...@googlegroups.com
mmo...@essex1.com
Oct 11, 2009, 6:15:14 AM10/11/09
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Hello,
The phrase God helps those whom help themselves comes from Greek mythology as the phrase appears as follows.
Syn Athenai kai kheira kinei
This phrase is translated literally as "goddess Athena supports you, but you yourself must act too", and thus the most usual form takes the English phrase, "God helps those whom help themselves."Other note worthy phrases are Hen oida hoti ouden oida meaning, "I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates
Also consider the following phrase, Thalassa kai pyr kai gyne, kaka tria as translated as "Sea and fire and woman, three evils."
The Bible teaches a little different message for it says the following, "I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship." Romans 12:1 (NIV) and also "As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:4-5 (NIV)
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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Subin Mavunkal
Oct 12, 2009, 12:57:29 AM10/12/09
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Hi Lisa,
Is this a tricky question to trap some1 who is working for Jesus Christ ?.If not I can explain my view.
In Jesus Christ.
Is this a tricky question to trap some1 who is working for Jesus Christ ?.If not I can explain my view.
In Jesus Christ.
Adam Colbert
Oct 12, 2009, 4:45:22 AM10/12/09
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i did a little research and indeed found that this phrase does not
appear in the Bible. i also found a lot of Christian web pages that
utterly refuted the phrase, generally saying that God helps those who
cannot help themselves. while this is true, that God helps those who
cannot help themselves, i found some of the pages to be a bit
disturbing in that they claimed the exact opposite of "God helps those
who help themselves" is true. many of the pages that came up in the
search seemed to jump to the opposite extreme. i think this is
dangerous because the opposite would actually be "God does not help
those who help themselves," and yet many of the pages did not address
it in this manner, although they still maintained that the opposite of
"God helps those who help themselves" is true.
this is definitely a "feel good" phrase, but it's tricky to either say
it's completely true or that it's completely false. for example, in a
Christian manner, i think it would be correct to say "God gives
assistance to those who sincerely desire to better themselves and who
make such efforts." of course, it is by God's grace, but God often
DOES help those who seek to help themselves. i mean this in such a way
that goes along with Matthew 7:7,8 "7Ask and it will be given to you;
seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For
everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks,
the door will be opened." and of course this should be taken into
context for God's chosen people, but it is nonetheless true that God
helps/provides for/assists those who take an initiative to help
themselves, and i think that it should be viewed in this Christian
context, and can correctly be viewed as such. so to say that "God
helps those who help themselves" is entirely unscriptural and utterly
untrue is false. but it is also dangerous to jump to the other extreme
and take the phrase to mean that God will always help people who try
to help themselves, for many atheists, and even Christians in moments
of arrogance may try to do things on their own, to "help themselves,"
and yet still not make progress.
this might be a bit out of context for this subject, but..........
James 4:13-17 "13Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will
go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and
make money." 14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow.
What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and
then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will,
we will live and do this or that." 16As it is, you boast and brag. All
such boasting is evil. 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to
do and doesn't do it, sins."
..................i include it just as a scriptural example that not
all so-called self-help will actually end in fruition.
so yeah.........although the phrase doesn't appear in the Bible, i
don't think it can be taken all in all as either true or false.
depending on the person and circumstance, it may or may not be the
case that God helps those who help themselves. for God provides
assistance to those that seek to do His work, but at the same time God
is not obligated to help a person - Christian or otherwise - if they
simply seek gain for themselves.
On Oct 11, 5:15 am, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> The phrase God helps those whom help themselves comes from Greek mythology as the phrase appears as follows.
> Syn Athenai kai kheira kinei This phrase is translated literally as "goddess Athena supports you, but you yourself must act too", and thus the most usual form takes the English phrase, "God helps those whom help themselves."
> Other note worthy phrases are Hen oida hoti ouden oida meaning, "I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates
> Also consider the following phrase, Thalassa kai pyr kai gyne, kaka tria as translated as "Sea and fire and woman, three evils."
> The Bible teaches a little different message for it says the following, "I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship." Romans 12:1 (NIV) and also "As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:4-5 (NIV)
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
>
> mmo...@essex1.com------- Original Message -------
> From : Lisa S[mailto:finehoriz...@hotmail.com]
appear in the Bible. i also found a lot of Christian web pages that
utterly refuted the phrase, generally saying that God helps those who
cannot help themselves. while this is true, that God helps those who
cannot help themselves, i found some of the pages to be a bit
disturbing in that they claimed the exact opposite of "God helps those
who help themselves" is true. many of the pages that came up in the
search seemed to jump to the opposite extreme. i think this is
dangerous because the opposite would actually be "God does not help
those who help themselves," and yet many of the pages did not address
it in this manner, although they still maintained that the opposite of
"God helps those who help themselves" is true.
this is definitely a "feel good" phrase, but it's tricky to either say
it's completely true or that it's completely false. for example, in a
Christian manner, i think it would be correct to say "God gives
assistance to those who sincerely desire to better themselves and who
make such efforts." of course, it is by God's grace, but God often
DOES help those who seek to help themselves. i mean this in such a way
that goes along with Matthew 7:7,8 "7Ask and it will be given to you;
seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For
everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks,
the door will be opened." and of course this should be taken into
context for God's chosen people, but it is nonetheless true that God
helps/provides for/assists those who take an initiative to help
themselves, and i think that it should be viewed in this Christian
context, and can correctly be viewed as such. so to say that "God
helps those who help themselves" is entirely unscriptural and utterly
untrue is false. but it is also dangerous to jump to the other extreme
and take the phrase to mean that God will always help people who try
to help themselves, for many atheists, and even Christians in moments
of arrogance may try to do things on their own, to "help themselves,"
and yet still not make progress.
this might be a bit out of context for this subject, but..........
James 4:13-17 "13Now listen, you who say, "Today or tomorrow we will
go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and
make money." 14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow.
What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and
then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, "If it is the Lord's will,
we will live and do this or that." 16As it is, you boast and brag. All
such boasting is evil. 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to
do and doesn't do it, sins."
..................i include it just as a scriptural example that not
all so-called self-help will actually end in fruition.
so yeah.........although the phrase doesn't appear in the Bible, i
don't think it can be taken all in all as either true or false.
depending on the person and circumstance, it may or may not be the
case that God helps those who help themselves. for God provides
assistance to those that seek to do His work, but at the same time God
is not obligated to help a person - Christian or otherwise - if they
simply seek gain for themselves.
On Oct 11, 5:15 am, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> The phrase God helps those whom help themselves comes from Greek mythology as the phrase appears as follows.
> Syn Athenai kai kheira kinei This phrase is translated literally as "goddess Athena supports you, but you yourself must act too", and thus the most usual form takes the English phrase, "God helps those whom help themselves."
> Other note worthy phrases are Hen oida hoti ouden oida meaning, "I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates
> Also consider the following phrase, Thalassa kai pyr kai gyne, kaka tria as translated as "Sea and fire and woman, three evils."
> The Bible teaches a little different message for it says the following, "I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship." Romans 12:1 (NIV) and also "As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:4-5 (NIV)
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
>
> From : Lisa S[mailto:finehoriz...@hotmail.com]
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> Hi Mathew and the Jesus is the Christ group,
>
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> Hi Mathew and the Jesus is the Christ group,
>
Adam Colbert
Oct 12, 2009, 4:47:28 AM10/12/09
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btw, i'm changing the subject back to its original state. please do
not change the subject line when replying to posts, as this can cause
great confusion. thanks.
not change the subject line when replying to posts, as this can cause
great confusion. thanks.
mmo...@essex1.com
Oct 12, 2009, 7:49:00 AM10/12/09
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Hello,
You have very important things to say on this subject Adam, and I am impressed with your use of scripture. If your article was published professionally, then I do not think that anyone would question you as a professional theologian.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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mmo...@essex1.com
Oct 12, 2009, 7:52:15 AM10/12/09
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Hello,
People are not changing the subject lines Adam. Google is erroneously handling them on the web based interface.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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