My Seminary Education - Lambeth
Mathew Enoch Mount
I would just like to clarify with everyone as I clarified with Larry
that my Seminary education is not like education that a person would
receive at an actual accredited school that has a structured program
with classes. Instead what happened is that Bishop Gentry was
ordained and set up over a missionary cathedral (this looked sort of
like a barn like building), and this happened during the friction of
the Episcopal church when the church started to ordain openly
homosexual people. The group of Bishop Gentry was opposed to openly
homosexual people being ordained into ministry in the Episcopal
church, and I was as well but other than that Bishop Gentry held onto
most all if not all the tenants of the Episcopal faith. Overall,
Bishop Gentry had the hope that the Lambeth Conference of 2008 would
involve the church of England not inviting the American bishops to the
conference because of their views, and he thus hoped that he and the
bishops of his group would be invited instead.
As a result of the work of Bishop Gentry, he had many bishops from
around the globe (to my understanding) that had been looking to join
his communion in order to get away from the promotion of openly
homosexual ministry. Bishop Gentry had both a doctorate in political
science and a doctorate in either divinity or theology as well as a
MBA. The education of Bishop Gentry was very impressive since he
lived in such a small town, but on the other hand he lived right next
to SIU most all of his life and thus was able to gain the small town
political connections that allowed him to eventually become an
executive of the Southern (this was a local news paper). Overall, as
a result of the education and political power of Bishop Gentry he was
able to eventually become the moderator of his communion of bishops.
My study with Bishop Gentry involved going to his part-time seminary
school that he operated that had no cost associated with it and had
very little structure. At the time I did not own a vehicle, so Bishop
Gentry would come and pick me up from SIU as he would make his trip to
get Father Richard as well whom he worked with (in his denomination)
whom could not drive as a result of a medical condition that was
slowly killing him. Overall, the theological problem that separated
me from Bishop Gentry’s communion was that he so adamantly opposed
revelation in favor of theology and study that he told me that I would
have to be silent in order to attend his local congregation, and soon
afterwards his missionary cathedral closed as he moved to another
location for business purposes while he left many former members
behind that did not attend any church at all after that.
The Lambeth Conference of 2008 did not go as Bishop Gentry had hoped
it would anyway. The bishop that ordained me however whom was not in
communion with Bishop Gentry, whom I tired to bring into communion
with Bishop Gentry’s group, eventually killed himself (as we
understand it), but before he did he became openly homosexual (he went
so far as to dress himself in cosmetics while he had a rather long
beard) while attending public places (toward the end he panted his
finger nails as well). Overall, I thus find the age old statement,
"where the Bishop is their too is Christ" to have some misconceptions
because I certainly would not associate any of these qualities to
Jesus Christ not even in the lest bit (I did not know that Bishop
Curran had problems with any particular sins in his life when I met
him).
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans says the following, "See
that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father,
and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the
deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything
connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a
proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by
one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear,
there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever
Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful
without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but
whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that
everything that is done may be secure and valid."1 Overall, I thus
found difficulties with the statement of Bishop Gentry to say, "your
salvation depends on me", and I also found difficulties in keeping in
communion with Bishop Curran as he fought sin in his life until he
eventually no longer considered sin to be sin.
I realize that God has instituted certain authorities to administer
justice, but I find that authority can be very difficult at best to
follow when it directly opposes God’s special purpose for his chosen
people. Now many of you might think me an antichrist to oppose two
ordained bishops as well as lots of other teachers of Christian
religion, but I must clarify that I am not out to build a following of
disciples for myself by pulling people away from already established
churches. My purpose is to educate people and to promote discourse
that will challenge people to challenge everything that they believe
in order that the truth of God’s special revelation would enter into
their lives in terms of the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ. My understanding is that churches and the world have gone
terribly wrong in that they usually all put moral law first (doing
onto others as you would have them do unto you), but I find that
salvation is obtained through loving God with all our hearts, minds,
souls, and strength (the divine law) as brought about by God loving us
first and secured by God’s grace that is given for our failure to
obtain perfection. Overall, the purpose of faith (that is a gift of
charity given by God) in my understanding is to cause the divine law
to dwell in us and be made complete at glorification when our faith
terns into praise, honor, and glory as it parishes as a result of the
complete revelation of Jesus Christ appearing face to face.
Having stated my case I find that divine law should transcend moral
law as well as every aspect of our life, and I find that the law of
Moses offers incredible protection to the believer against the spirit
of lawlessness that has captivated the world. Now more than ever laws
of the lands are becoming increasingly lawless, and the same can be
true of many churches in the United States as well. Overall, the
general belief is that we should thank God for being righteous so that
we do not need to be righteous, and the problem with this view is that
Christ is not a promoter of wickedness.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Peter VanGee
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mmo...@essex1.com
I appreciate your testimony on the subject. One of the problems that Bishop
Gentry faced is that he was trying to discern if I could be used as a priest
in his service, and if I would have recognized the blood atonement of Jesus
Christ as I do now then he would not have had as much difficulty with me
perhaps eventually running his congregation in his absence (this is assuming
that the last theological dispute that separated us had not happened).
Overall, I was like you Peter in many ways in that I favored the views of
Plato in terms of only God having (or being) wisdom and thus man cannot be
wise but only God in this view can be wise, but that man can love wisdom (the
problem with this view is that it rejects righteousness imputed into us from
God). (You of course may not be fully uttering this doctrine of Socrates, but
I can see something similar to it in your writings as you reject blood
atonement.)
Clement of Alexandria is perhaps one of the best thinkers to attempt to
reconcile Platonic thinking with Christianity. Clement was born 150AD, and he
taught Origin who made the Hexapla (this is how the Septuagint was preserved
in the western church to my understanding). The Septuagint is what the early
church used for the old testament in Greek lands because the Greeks could not
read Hebrew unless they had been perhaps Grecian Jews (even Grecian Jews may
not have known Hebrew). My point is that for the Greek old testament
scripture (the Septuagint) that the New Testament often makes citations from
to have been preserved through the student of Clement of Alexandria says a lot
about Clement of Alexandria.
Clement of Alexandria and Origin had been powerful evangelists whom attempted
to reconcile much of the church. Clement wrote Stromata (Miscellanies) and
this work among other things made the case that Socrates was like a profit for
the people of Athens. Overall, I believe however that you will find that
Clement makes clear that the believer in Jesus Christ has a special revelation
that Socrates and other such people did not have, and I would argue that Jews
had the special revelation of salvation that the Greek people that had not
been Jews did not have.
You can read the works of Clement at the following link.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/clement.html
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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From : Peter VanGee[mailto:peter...@gmail.com]
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Subject : RE: Re: My Seminary Education - Lambeth
Peter VanGee
Hello,
I appreciate your testimony on the subject. One of the problems that Bishop
Gentry faced is that he was trying to discern if I could be used as a priest
in his service, and if I would have recognized the blood atonement of Jesus
Christ as I do now then he would not have had as much difficulty with me
perhaps eventually running his congregation in his absence (this is assuming
that the last theological dispute that separated us had not happened).
Overall, I was like you Peter in many ways in that I favored the views of
Plato in terms of only God having (or being) wisdom and thus man cannot be
wise but only God in this view can be wise, but that man can love wisdom (the
problem with this view is that it rejects righteousness imputed into us from
God). (You of course may not be fully uttering this doctrine of Socrates, but
I can see something similar to it in your writings as you reject blood
atonement.)
Clement of Alexandria is perhaps one of the best thinkers to attempt to
reconcile Platonic thinking with Christianity. Clement was born 150AD, and he
taught Origin who made the Hexapla (this is how the Septuagint was preserved
in the western church to my understanding). The Septuagint is what the early
church used for the old testament in Greek lands because the Greeks could not
read Hebrew unless they had been perhaps Grecian Jews (even Grecian Jews may
not have known Hebrew). My point is that for the Greek old testament
scripture (the Septuagint) that the New Testament often makes citations from
to have been preserved through the student of Clement of Alexandria says a lot
about Clement of Alexandria.
Clement of Alexandria and Origin had been powerful evangelists whom attempted
to reconcile much of the church. Clement wrote Stromata (Miscellanies) and
this work among other things made the case that Socrates was like a profit for
the people of Athens. Overall, I believe however that you will find that
Clement makes clear that the believer in Jesus Christ has a special revelation
that Socrates and other such people did not have, and I would argue that Jews
had the special revelation of salvation that the Greek people that had not
been Jews did not have.
You can read the works of Clement at the following link.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/clement.html
Know the Lord,
Mathew Enoch Mount
The bottom line is that Socrates did not raise from the dead, and
without the blood atonement of Christ being applied either knowingly
or unknowingly neither will you raise from the dead.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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Peter VanGee
The bottom line is that Socrates did not raise from the dead, and
without the blood atonement of Christ being applied either knowingly
or unknowingly neither will you raise from the dead.
You don't know if you will find Socrates in heaven. This is matter of faith, I believe you he is among the living.
Mathew Enoch Mount
Peter VanGee
Peter VanGee
Mathew Enoch Mount
At one time I had incredible reverence for Socrates as well and my
Philosophy instructor must of been told about it, and the instructor
being a main stream Episcopal Priest prior to the major problems of
sin in the last decade went so far as to challenge the class by making
the case for the atonement of blood. Even through the man studied at
Oxford in the summer I thought that he just didn’t know what he was
talking about as I saw Socrates as like a prophet for the gentiles,
but latter I have learned that God was so distant for the academics
and that he was so uncaring about people loving him or that the
academic God was sort of like the unknown father of a alien that was
dropped off at earth without the father ever being seen. The problem
that has occurred is that the academic God has infiltrated both
Christianity and Judaism to the extent that theology that holds God a
far way away from personal experience has taken the place of spiritual
gifts, communion with God, communion with the Saints, and overall
direct interaction with God on a continuous bases.
The world view that everyone shares that lives in this nation has come
not from the scripture, and the world view that people have is what
causes them to understand the scripture the way that they do. When
people take on a world view that is alienated from God, then when that
person reads the scripture they will not ask the correct question,
understand the words the same way, and will have terrible views of the
ministry of Jesus that are often just plain wrong. The importance of
arising our understanding of scripture out of Genesis first and then
the law of Moses second is that we learn the world view that God
intends us to have for understanding the prophets, the writings, and
most importantly the New Testament.
When for example, we cut out the book of Genesis in order to add the
theory of evolution based on randomness, then we come to vastly
different conclusions about the ministry of Jesus than what the
scripture intends (we thus would see Jesus in favor of fighting for
survival and perhaps a proponent of big business). When for example,
we cut out the book of Genesis and the Law of Moses and insert the
Declaration of Independence for the United States, then we come to
such vastly different conclusions about the ministry of Jesus that he
becomes like a freedom fighter that frees the Christians from Jewish
and Roman oppression through sacrificing himself for freedom of
religious expression that only atheist people would benefit from in
this contemporary time anyway. When for example, we cut out the book
of Genesis, the Law of Moses, and the prophets and insert the complete
works of Plato, then we find that knowledge of God becomes only an
academic pursuit that the uneducated people would not understand and
that people in churches become so increasingly alienated from God as a
result of their conception of him being so distant in experience that
more and more people commit grievous sins to the extent that now many
churches have openly homosexual bishops and priests that pray on
little children.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com