Pray for me
Mathew Enoch Mount
Pray for me. Tonight/ this morning because at about 1:00AM as I was
driving through Rock Falls my mother noticed a man laying on the very
wide secondary street sidewalk as she told me to call 911. This
happened on west second street in Rock Falls between Security Finance
and what I believe is called the Gift Shop. I first checked to see if
the man had a pulse and then I noticed that he was breathing as he was
laying sort of on his stomach and sort of on his side. Through a very
long process the people at 911 called the police, paramedics, and I
even saw the fire truck.
The man had some blood on him, and in the time that I was waiting for
help to arrive the people at 911 wanted me to turn him on his back,
but I did not because his head was down to the side and I was worried
that he would aspirate on his vomit plus his left arm was laying out
to the side and I would have had to bring it in to turn him over (I
did not know if it was broken). The man went in and out of
consciousness while I was with him and while paramedics loaded him on
the ambulance. Overall, police asked me for my testimony and
identification as I gave it to them, and I asked if I could go to the
Hospital in the morning to follow through and they said that I could
but that they may not give me the identity of the man so that I could
visit him.
Pray for me that I may speak the gospel in transforming ways as I go
to the Hospital tomorrow morning. I think that what I will do is tell
the people in the reception aria about the situation and ask them to
ask him if he would like to hear the message of good news that I have
to bring. Overall, I do not want my work to come to nothing, so pray
for him and pray for me as well that the message of the gospel may be
advanced.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Mathew Enoch Mount
As a progress update on this situation, I visited the Sterling, IL CGH
hospital at about 9:00am with a bible that I planned to give to this
man but I was not able to find him. The people in the hospital
reception sent me to registration, registration sent me to the
Emergency room, and the emergency room send me to the nurses station
in the Emergency room. The person at the nurses station told me that
because the shifts hand changed that she knew noting about the
incident. I told the woman that I had a gift to give to the man as I
gave her the bible, and she said that she would find whom it goes to.
Overall, I know the theological dispute that we had years back over
the pregnant handicap homeless woman whom was helped out of a bad
situation, and this was seen as bad because the gospel was not
proclaimed in speech in this situation (I do see some value in the
theology of Jim T regarding the dispute we had years ago when he said
that the gospel should have been proclaimed in words in that
situation, but I think that a lot of times situations take us buy such
surprise that we often do not have the words to say readily and if we
have the words we may not know how best to say them).
The situation with the man I found whom was unresponsive this morning
that I am talking about was different however because this man was
unconscious, and never did he regain full consciousness when I was
with him. I think thus that the ways that I feel short is that I did
not have a bible with me to give to the paramedics to give to him when
he became aware of his surroundings, I did not search the man for
identification, and I did not follow the ambulance to the hospital as
I had expected that I would be better to arrive at the beginning of
visiting hours. Overall, please continue to pray for this situation
in order that the message of the gospel my arrive to him in one way or
another in a much fuller form, and I pray for you as well that if any
of you find yourself in this kind of situation than you will act more
wisely than me.
ON EARTH Ministries
Don't be so hard on yourself. I believe you gave this man exactly what
he needed: a comforting presence until medical help arrived. i
believe this to be infinitely more valuable than a copy of the Bible.
Infinitely. You see, instead of giving him a copy of the letter of
the law, you gave him the spirit. In one compassionate act you did
what a million words could only explain.
Bless you, Mat.
Brother Larry Roy Woodsmall
ON EARTH MINISTRIES
Mathew Enoch Mount
I wanted to discuss the scripture with this man further at the
hospital, and I think that it is during this time often that people
are most receptive to the birth of Christ, death of Christ, and
resurrection of Jesus Christ. I realized the legal opposition that I
faced with privacy issues, and that is the reason that I brought a
bible as a gift just in case. My worry is two part; moreover, firstly
if we do not speak the message of the gospel then the world will miss
understand and think that their salvation comes from someone other
than Jesus Christ, and secondly if we reduce the message of the gospel
just to acts then we often miss the gospel as well because many people
without the gospel can do good and would perhaps see the person and
stop to help.
The message of salvation as it came through the Hebrew Scripture was
that people saw their salvation, they smelt it (with the smoke of the
sacrifice), they heard it with the scripture, they tasted it with the
dietary laws, they lived it as like a chain of events in time, they
felt it in their minds, and they felt it in their hearts. I realize
that we may not be able to reproduce the gospel as the Hebrews had it
and as Jesus made it clearly known, but I am beginning to think that
we should like Solomon develop or implement proverbs to memorize and
then recite when the Holy Ghost brings them forth just at the right
time so that out of the blue without any warning we utter a gospel
phrase such as, "by his stripes we are healed". Just think a crying
child goes to her mother for a bandage, and the mother says as she
applies the bandage, "by his stripes we are healed", and by doing this
the mother would kill any chance of idolatry in the child while
expressing the love of God through putting everything in perspective
of the cross.
I say what I say because most people are in such a hurry in the world,
and many of us on the news group for example have such deeply
complicated, rich, and fully developed understandings of our faith and
scripture that we would struggle and we do struggle with the small
situations that offer a huge evangelical opportunity. The proverbs of
the gospel would give small gifts of love in the most challenging
times like Jesus calming the sea. If we become good with the proverbs
of the gospel, then we may always have a small gift of a sudden flash
of light that suddenly breaks the gloom. I think people will respond
to this like a snap of a finger, and then they will be concentrating
on your message as you tell them more from their questioning of you.
On Oct 5, 9:52 am, ON EARTH Ministries
ON EARTH Ministries
I understand what you are saying, and want to address each of the
three paragraphs separately, as I think you make a very good point.
Perhaps some these observations made over the last thirty years might
offer some perspective. Whether it is just or not, uninvited clergy
are often perceived by families and healthcare workers as preying on
the vulnerability of the patient, rather than providing a loving
ministry to the receptive. This is also understandable, as the family
is in a heightened sense of protectiveness, and the healthcare
workers’ primary care mission is to provide a safe, private, attentive
setting for administering medical treatment. This often requires a
highly controlled environment, and hyper-vigilance.
However, healthcare workers aren’t oblivious to the conundrum this
seems to create. To remedy this situation even most secular hospitals
have a Chaplin’s Office which, depending on the size of the facility,
offers various services from various faith traditions.
My advice to you would be to contact whichever Hospital Chaplin you
feel you can best communicate with. Tell your story, voice your
concerns, and express your hope to share the Good News with gentleman
that the Father brought you together with at 2a.m. If nothing else,
I’m sure they will be willing to pass your gift of a Bible on. Don’t
hesitate to write your name on the inside cover if you would like the
patient to contact you. Also, this would be an excellent time to
leave a card, or any other materials, that would clarify your mission
and identity, at the Chaplin’s Services Office.
As far as your worry that some secular someone doing good (God’s
work), without sharing the literal message of scripture, I would have
to evoke Micah 4:4, or Mark 9:40. Can we hope to be so fortunate as
to have those who have not come to Christ yet already doing some of
the good works!?
Regarding the Good News and it’s realization as total sensory
experience, one might suggest that you take redemption, salvation,
sacrifice, and unconditional love and ask yourself “What do these
things look like manifested in life RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW?” What
exemplifies the sweet taste of orthodoxy, what do the very real
sacrifices we witness first-hand smell like, what does sincere,
exuberant praise of the Father sound like? What does it feel like to
be loved, and love unconditionally, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW?
And then, of course, I find myself asking, “How DO I bring these
experiences to others?” The answers I find very, but the one constant
seems to be orthopraxy (right practice). If we earnestly do the right
things, perhaps a good healthy shared or donated meal would taste like
salvation to the hungry, the smell of perspiration while giving one’s
time that of sacrifice, the sound of laughter and thankfulness that of
praise. And if we love someone sincerely and unconditionally we can
share with them the awesome feeling of being loved by our Father.
I find your suggestion to memorize proverbs interesting, and worthy of
some serious thought. Perhaps as a less generic than the old standard
“Bless you”, that even non-believers handout.
Love,
Mathew Enoch Mount
I see a lot of value in your understanding, but I think that I may
view things a little differently than yourself from having my own
experiences perhaps that are strikingly different than yours. First
of all UNCONDITIONAL LOVE for everyone I have found is Satanic, and it
makes houses of fallen love out of faithful homes and it makes slaves
of sin out of free men and women. Let me explain this to you as
clearly as I possibly can from my own experiences and that of my
family’s experiences.
There once was a man whom I found to have much sin in his life whom
was also disabled and bipolar, and he was a ordained minister whom
hardly practiced the faith anymore at all. When I met him, I tried to
overlook his sin as I thought that everyone has sin in their lives,
and I should not judge him for his sin. This man constantly finagled
my family for food, supplies, and other such things a little at a
time. Before we met him and his wife we had been virtually debt free,
but after not much time many of the objects in our home that had any
value had been gone, my father had to take out a loan to pay for
credit card debt that was so large that it almost equaled the value of
the home, and I lost very much as well.
I tried to speak the message of the scripture to this man out of God’s
love in ways that most applied to him, but he flew into rages as he
would find me to be speaking to him as one whom has no authority as he
saw himself to have great authority because of his age and years of
ministry. We find this man to have committed suicide, but before he
did I took my leave of him when he held firm that his sins had been
righteous works. I did not take my leave of this man prior to that
because be kept going between repentance and then suddenly he would go
right back into justifying his sins as righteousness according to the
popular message of the media and secular mental health sciences.
Before this man died he bragged about having fooled food pantries into
giving him extra food, he bragged about having made an auto title loan
on his car in multiple states without legal consequence because of his
mental illness, he bragged about having constantly received every
month the largest social security check in the county, and he also
bragged about how he took full use of every government program that
existed. This man looked for every opportunity to engage in legal law
suit with anyone whom he could, but yet having all of this he was a
slave to sin such that he had almost nothing. The day that he died
his wife become homeless, and my parents nor I saw it fitting to take
her in.
The message that I neglected to tell you regarding the man that I
found this morning is that the temperature outside was very cold and
he having been laying on concrete could have died just from a loss of
body heat. This man that I found this morning I found just about a
block or so away from the bars as I noticed liquor bottles a few feet
from him, and he was in both blood and vomit. Overall, I recognize
that your work at the hospital I am assured is good work that is
pleasing to God, but by me calling 911 and handing him over to secular
authorities I may have handed him over to a pack of wolves whom would
enslave him even more.
My mother explained to me that in our community the one whom receives
911 care has to pay the bill for all three services of police, fire,
and ambulance. Also this man will have to pay a huge medical bill
that will act as a constant reminder of how so to speak, ‘the secular
medical world saved him.’ Not only that but also if he does not pay
that bill then he will be taken to court, and perhaps even go to
jail. If Jesus Christ would have healed people by doing all these
things, then he would have proven himself to be a false profit and
eternally condemned. Overall, if the good Samaritan would have handed
the man he found over to the devil, then he would have proven himself
to be a evangelist of the antichrist.
Having said all these things I did not feel it was proper to attempt
to heal this man by the laying on of hands without knowing his faith,
and I thus had to choose between two evils once I was put in the
situation. I had to choose between the evil of letting him parish and
the evil of handing him over to civil authorities like Judas would
have gladly done. Not only that but I did not have the opportunity, I
felt, to communicate the message of slavery to sin and the need for
redemption by the blood of the lamb. Overall, I think that what I did
was obviously the best thing that could have been done by far, but it
was like sending the lost sheep into the wolves and that is why I
needed your prayers.
On Oct 5, 3:37 pm, ON EARTH Ministries
Peter VanGee
ON EARTH Ministries
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
I dare not whitewash a tomb Peter. One time a priesthood member anointed a whom with a demon and she got better, but the oil burned on her and it stuck. This woman is a Unitarian to this very day (this means that she believes that anyone whom believes in a god will be saved).
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
From : Peter VanGee[mailto:peter...@gmail.com]
Sent : 10/6/2009 3:27:37 PM
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Peter VanGee
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
I am ashamed to say Peter that the church that I am talking about I feel was a grave sin in a lot of regards to ever be part of, and the only reason why I attended is because I did not feel that I had any other options as I attended for about 20 years before I became a Christian. I disagree with much of their theology as some of their ministers believed that Jesus was just a man. The church that I am talking about Peter is the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Satins, and although they had some very wrong views God still worked among them. The woman whom I am talking about Peter eventually became a minister of that church, and she became incredibly mad when I first told her that I became saved. When I became powerful in my message as I communicated it to them many wanted to believe, but some of their priesthood members opposed me while others had been eager to learn the message that I was communicating. Eventually I stopped attending all together, and this upset those whom wanted to hear what I had to say dearly.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Peter VanGee
Mathew Enoch Mount
First of all the RLDS church is not the Mormon church, and it is not
the Mormon church because the Mormons had what they believed to be
their profit whom they followed across the Mississippi river whereas
the children of Joseph Smith stayed in and around this aria and they
created the very liberal RLDS church. This church was so liberal that
it had some ministers that said that Jesus was just a man, others whom
said that he was God, others whom said that worshipping any God is
worshipping the true God, and yet others whom said that the bible if
full of errors. The church latter became renamed the Community of
Christ in order to distinguish themselves as not Mormon people.
No Peter my view of blood atonement nor any of my views for the most
part originated with them. I was a atheist when I when to that
church. I remember that I first knew something was wrong when I was a
little kid and I watched from a crack in the wall of the basement the
woman whom was conducting the Christmas play that year twisting her
daughters arm behind her back as she screamed while the daughter was
dressed in the angel outfit being prepared for the play just above the
basement stairs. Overall, it was wrong of me to flee the church
because God was using me to reform it, but it was also wrong of me to
worship their because of how bad this place was.
If you want a simple view of blood atonement Peter without relying
upon me, then just ask your priest in the Roman Catholic Church. If
he tells you anything different then blood atonement is correct, then
ask him if this is the official view of the church. I am not speaking
to contradict the message of blood atonement that the main stream
Christian churches teach, but I hope that in faith I can build upon
that message a monument to the word of God.
Peter VanGee
Adam Colbert
little bit of research (on wikipedia, i'll admit), i think - though i
could be mistaken - that you meant to refer to Unitarian Universalism.
this would more coincide with you saying "this means that she believes
that anyone whom believes in a god will be saved." in other words,
you're possibly and probably referring to the "Unitarian theology"
belief structure as opposed to the Unitarian denomination of
Christianity. is this correct?
On Oct 6, 8:23 pm, "mmo...@essex1.com" <mmo...@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I dare not whitewash a tomb Peter. One time a priesthood member anointed a whom with a demon and she got better, but the oil burned on her and it stuck. This woman is a Unitarian to this very day (this means that she believes that anyone whom believes in a god will be saved).
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
>
> From : Peter VanGee[mailto:petervan...@gmail.com]
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
Yes Adam the belief structure and not the church. The term unitarian is often used loosely to mean the belief structure.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
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From : Adam Colbert[mailto:adamc...@hotmail.com]
Sent : 10/9/2009 9:18:47 PM
Mathew Enoch Mount
Peter, I am not Roman Catholic so I cannot speak on behalf of the
Roman Catholic church. I am not saying that we should do sin so that
righteousness may result. I am saying however that when Jesus said,
"Go Judas do what you are going to do and do it quickly" that
righteousness resulted in everything that Jesus did including the
speaking of that very line. If God did not have a plan for how he
would use the devils for his righteousness, then they would not even
exist. Who are you to speak back to God Peter by saying, "why have
you made me this way" has not the potter made from the same lump of
clay both pots for noble purposes and those for common purposes. Yes
Peter if I was Judas then I would have to betray Christ because that
is what God would have made me for, and righteousness would have
resulted but that righteousness would not have been my righteousness
but God’s righteousness imputed into others. The fact is Peter that
Judas would have never been able to accept or understand this message
because he only identified Jesus as teacher but not as Lord, and as a
result like you he would have not recognized that all of God’s actions
result in righteousness including him saying, "Go do what it is you
are going to do and do it quickly."
Adam Colbert
until i just looked it up. i can only imagine how many other people
were confused.
> Thank you,
> Mathew Enoch Mount
> mmo...@essex1.com
>
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Adam Colbert
those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."
God made good things come OF Judas' betrayal, but Judas did not
participate in those good results. for when evil happens and by God's
grace goodness is "salvaged from" and "compensated for" the evil acts,
it is "those who love God" who are blessed by the "turning around" of
evil into something good, and not the doers of evil who share in the
goodness.
as Paul says earlier in Romans 3:8, "Why not say—as we are being
slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say—"Let us
do evil that good may result"? Their condemnation is deserved."
so if one took the approach to do evil acts that good may result, it
is to their own demise, for some goodness will come as a result, BUT
such goodness will be to the benefit of those who love God and not to
the doer of the evil acts, on top of the doer being punished. it's
kind of like stealing and getting caught on purpose so that the fine
you pay exceeds the initial profit to the store owner had you
legitimately bought it in the first place.
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
Amen Adam. You write the truth according to scripture, and I hope that God blesses you many times over for it.
God bless,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
From : Adam Colbert[mailto:adamc...@hotmail.com]
Sent : 10/10/2009 3:31:50 AM
Peter VanGee
Lisa S
To Mathew E Mount and the Jesus the Christ group members,
I was just curious what kind of good works do some of you go out and do
other than writing in this newsgroup?
Especially Mathew
Oh and Mathew I wrote you another email.
Also you write long lengthy replies on this newsgroup
but to the person you're supposedly closest to (me)
you wrote me like a 3 line email and you didn't even address
me. You only said Hello, not "Hello Lisa".
I guess it sort of upset me.
Sorry to the group for going off the subject of Jesus, however,
are not our actions to other persons very important to our
Lord Jesus Christ
don't you think?
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
Lisa, I am glad to see that you have moved into your new apartment, and I have been trying to call you from time to time. I hope that all is going well with you at your new place. Overall, we should continue to do good works, but we should only do them out of the love that we have for our God and we should constantly be in repentance of anything else.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
From : Lisa S[mailto:fineho...@hotmail.com]
Sent : 10/10/2009 10:23:51 PM
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mmo...@essex1.com
mmo...@essex1.com
"With a donkey's jawbone I have made asses of them. With a donkey's jawbone I have killed a thousand men." Judges 15:16 (NIV)
Peter VanGee
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
The scripture and the testimony of Jesus are like the donkey’s jaw bone, and I think that I applied such a tool appropriately.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com
Peter VanGee
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
We should make God our strength not logic or theology. Aristotle developed the subject known as logic not Moses, and theology often came from people whom did not have personal experience with God and thus had to express their understanding about God through study.
I am not saying that we should condemn logic or theology, but what I am saying is that everything has its place including both logic and theology. We should use things that God has interested us with in a manner that he intends and in a manner the pleases him. Overall, a theologian did exist whom had some similar things to say as I and his name is John Calvin, and then their was another theologian named Jonathan Edwards whom continued in the ideas of John Calvin and was around during the time of the Puritans when the United States took on the National Covenant with God.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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Peter VanGee
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
I agree that we should not approach God with some things but rather he should approach us. For example you may eagerly desire the seed of God to penetrate your heart in order that you may produce much fruit and be a father of Faith like Abraham, but it would be best that your desires to gain the seed of God do not bring you to the point of accosting the Lord like wrestling God down to the ground and not relenting until he gives you his blessing. In a similar way we should not come to God with a knife and seek to drink his blood, but instead we should be still and know that he is the lord in order that he comes to us with his blood just as he did in the Last Supper.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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Peter VanGee
mmo...@essex1.com
Hello,
I am glad that you see the need for blood atonement; moreover, that is the most important element of faith.
Thank you,
Mathew Enoch Mount
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