I have returned!

[Pete]

Hi all:

I figure a two week hiatus is long enough and its time to come back.
The 'sponsors' email got me thinking. If they get paid, why not me?
Why not make my enemy my footstool? So from now on, I plan to post
most of my replys from the blogosphere. Who knows? Matthew and I may
very well get paid to argue. We'll become an overnight sensation.
The 'new' gladiators! Is there anything unethical about this?

http://flowerinthefrost.blogspot.com/

Know the Lord,

Pete

[Mathew Enoch Mount]

Hello,

Peter, I do not understand how we would get pay through such a
effort. I must confess that I like your idea, but at the same time
Jesus on the Web is one of the strongest news groups because of all of
the members, software support, and moderation by owners. As a result
I would not substitute one for the other, but I can understand how one
might complement the other.

Thank you,

Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com

[mmo...@essex1.com]

Hello,

Also note that unlike Peter I am not for the Lord Jesus Christ being used as a
footstool. The scripture says to love your enemies, and I thus think that
everyone on Jesus on the Web must love Peter a hole lot.

Thank you,

Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com

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Subject : RE: I have returned!

Hi all:

I figure a two week hiatus is long enough and its time to come back.
The 'sponsors' email got me thinking. If they get paid, why not me?
Why not make my enemy my footstool? So from now on, I plan to post
most of my replys from the blogosphere. Who knows? Matthew and I may
very well get paid to argue. We'll become an overnight sensation.
The 'new' gladiators! Is there anything unethical about this?

http://flowerinthefrost.blogspot.com/

Know the Lord,

Pete

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[Peter VanGee]

Hi all:

 

Actually, I believe I said I'd make my enemy my footstool.  The conclusion of which is self-evident; but since Matthew fails to see it, I guess I have to reiterate.

 

It is interesting how far the devil has creeped into our lives in 1000 years.  Given Dante's inferno, merely to charge a profit for your work was considered a sin punishable by hell.  It was believed that we we're to make our living by the sweat of our brow.  Also, corporations are a faction; and as St. Paul defines, a faction is a sin of the flesh.

 

So I have to wonder.  Why would Matthew consider Jesus his enemy.  Then again, he said you all would have to love "Peter a hole lot."  Is 'Peter a hole' a freudian slip, or is it conscious.  Are you kidding me Matthew?

 

Know the Lord,

 

Pete

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[Mathew Enoch Mount]

Hello,

Peter the "sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your
footstool" was written about Jesus Christ not you. Since you do not
believe in the necessity of the blood atonement of Christ I certainly
do not see how your enemies can be your footstool in any since unless
you bully the demons like a mob boss. Christ is not my enemy, but it
is you whom like Judas do not believe in the blood atonement of Jesus
Christ as you have stated (we know that Judas did not believe in the
blood atonement of Jesus Christ because as soon as he drank from the
cup Satan entered him).

Thank you,

Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com

[Peter VanGee]

Hi Matt:

 

Actually, that statement was taken from the Psalm 110 and it precedes Christ.  It is written for the sons of men, who are persecuted by man...and I've claimed to be one.  We are unified with Christ by our persecution. 

 

Interesting that you compare me to Judas, when in fact, you and Adam were defending him a month or two ago.  So, who exactly is God's Advocate here.  Me!  I, alone, have used the Gospel of Christ to account for my theology of atonement.  Yours' is a counterfeit scapegoat mechanism that justifies violence.  There is no union with God through violence.

 

I ask you again, Is it lawful to take life or save it on the Sabbath?

 

Know the Lord,

 

Pete

[Adam Colbert]

really? i defended Judas? i know i get online in the wee hours and
bounce around the padded walls of message boards (get it? "padded"
walls? html joke..... :/....) and forget the next day about the tracks
i've left, but this is new to me. i'm not usually the one to ask for
citations, but you're gonna have to provide a link to the post for me
to believe it.

also, regarding your previous post, Mathew is dyslexic. you may not
have known, and perhaps you just thought he was bad at spelling at
times, but he seriously is dyslexic. and if anybody gets annoyed at
seeing typos, it would be me (my brother can attest to this). so it's
not exactly fair to pick on him for saying, "...Peter a hole lot."
back in the days at SIU, i asked him if he proofread what he wrote to
check for wrongly written homonyms and such, and he replied that he
wouldn't know they were wrong if he saw them. so please just let that
fly. i'm sure you didn't know, but now you do.

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And I imagine something like a fantasy sequence on a TV show, the
picture goes all wavy...

Then we find Peter V. at the gates of Heaven, He's at once surprised
that there is no one else around. He wonders in, and after a while
encounters Jesus, who welcomes him in and asks if he would like to eat
of the banquet. Peter enthusiastically says "yes!" When Jesus comes
back to him he's carrying a tuna fish sandwich and a fresca. Peter
looks puzzled, and Jesus says, "It's really not worth cooking when
there is only two of us."

Peter, you should try to get along better with a few of us. If you
repent and look for some love in your heart for us, as we do for you,
you may find that our Father's good Grace has allowed a lot of us poor
misguided sinners to be forgiven, and join you in Heaven.

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[Peter VanGee]

Hi All:

 

Ok, I'm sorry because (and - looking back - I should have guessed) dyslexia is nothing to make fun of.  Matthew has clearly overcome a lot of obstacles, now if I can just get him past the idea of blood atonement.  Violence has no place in the Kingdom.

 

And to Larry, it is true that I have so few friends - I often op for reverse psychology.  Given that Dante said one of the punishments of hell is the people you have to spend eternity with...I figure at least half the people out there will be so angry with me...they'll repent knowing that I'll be stuck looking at their ugly mugs forever. 

 

Look at the story of Jonah, crying up on the hill the day Nineveh was spared.  If the antichrist only knew that they could beat me by sincere repentence.  I'd be done.  A failure, a complete washout.  A bbqer with nothing to grill.

 

Jonah was the most successful prophet in the Old Testement, and his prophecy didn't even come true.  He's the only one I can think of who's dire warning was listened to and acted upon.

 

Here's the problem - Nineveh didn't know their left from their right - the antichrist does - they have the New Testament - it defines them - they put their right on their left and their left on their right - they want to make the Book of Revelation happen.

 

And Matt - you did bring  Judas into the conversation.  Like Jesus was directing him.  I was wondering why, and filed it into my memory.

 

The most successful prophets are unsuccessful.  Only God's wisdom can account for that.

 

Know the Lord,

 

Pete

[Adam Colbert]

but hey, there's nothing wrong with tuna fish sandwiches and
Fresca! :D

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[Mathew Enoch Mount]

Hello,

Notice that the prophecy regarding Christ being three days and three
nights in the belly of the whale was given by Jesus Christ regarding
Jonah as was taken to refer to the three days after the crucifixion of
Christ. "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the
judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the
preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here." Matthew
12:40-41 (NIV) You thus say Peter that, "The most successful prophets
are unsuccessful", and I am very sorry to know that you thus believe
that Jonah was a more successful profit than Jesus Christ whom is God
whom said that he would be in the belly of the earth for three days
and it thus happened as a result of the crucifixion of Christ. (you
Peter are saying that men are more successful at doing the work of God
than God himself) Overall, it is thus Jesus Christ whom preaches the
necessity of the Crucifixion of Christ in order that the scripture
regarding Jonah and the huge fish may be fulfilled in him, and Jesus
Christ himself said that the people of Nineveh will stand and condemn
that generation (Repent Peter least the people of Nineveh stand and
condemn you too).

The necessity of the crucifixion of Christ separated the sheep from
the goats with the sheep being on the right hand and the goats being
on the left. The crucifixion of Christ thus brought both salvation
and judgment depending upon what side of the cross you are on.
Overall, the criminal that mocked Jesus, he did not save, while the
criminal whom rebuked the one whom mocked Jesus he did save as Christ
promised his salvation (this man would be purchased with blood), and
to everyone whom did not know what they had been doing whom crucified
him he prayed for their forgiveness as his blood was shedding.

I believe that the reason why you are unwilling to acknowledge the
necessity of the blood atonement of Jesus Christ Peter is because you
find yourself on the wrong side of the cross and thus you would like
to believe that the cross is not necessary. The cross however was
necessary (as Jesus Christ himself said it was necessary in the same
breath in talking about the people of Nineveh). Everyone whom reads
Revelation and believes what is written says God speed.

Thank you,

Mathew Enoch Mount
mmo...@essex1.com

[Peter VanGee]

Hi Matt:

 

Actually, I said Jonah was the most successful Old Testament prophet.  Jesus was killed in the prime of life.  Moses never made it to the promised land.  Need I say more?

 

With regard to one thing...yes.  Blood atonement comes from natural religion.  It is a scapegoat mechanism turned into a rite.  Given that they substitute an animal for a man I guess we can say its a step toward holiness...a secular infusion...and the serpent is an ancient symbol for the world.

"None shall hurt or destroy
on all my holy mountain, says the
Lord."  Is 65.25

 

Logically speaking, None and all implies everything.  Including your precious blood attonement...if a son of man has to become your devil to bang the truth into your hard head then so be it...the most successful prophets are unsuccessful...connect the dots...you're crucifying me along with Christ here.

 

And to Adam...fish and fresca do sound good - especially on friday.

 

Know the Lord,

 

Pete

 

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Blog: A flower in the frost
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[Peter VanGee]

Please comment on this post.  It is more important.

 

Know the Lord,

 

Pete