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zentropa80@yahoo.co.uk  
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 More options Jul 20 2012, 1:32 pm
From: "zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk" <zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 10:32:06 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2012 1:32 pm
Subject: How I changed my job and hated it immediately (a sequel to "is a digital marketing...")

Previously: is a digital marketing company the place for keen developers?<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/javaposse/TWL8x4Srk7w/discussion>

**** UPDATE!! A YEAR AND HALF AFTERWARDS ****

I made it!

I quit *that* job and landed on one the most successful startup in the area
(can't name it for reasons you'll soon understand, but just to let you know
what I mean by 'most successful', we just passed our series a fudging and
everyone and their uncles is talking about us).

It's an API Java shop. All I'm gonna say. I was hired to join what the API
team. I'm one the (two) API guys.

Hang on... my profile in two lines: 6 years of Java web development. Spring
fan. ORM. SQL. Some HTML. JS/JQuery.

Recently tried Ruby/Sinatra and Node.js/Express on two little personal
projects (and loved them both).

Learning Scala and recently got over *Don't Make Me Think* and the whole
fuss about Responsive Web Design.

That said, these guys told me they're growing and growing, scaling and
scaling.

Their playground's on AWS and certain unspecified performance issues on
mysql made them start thinking to move some 'things' on Dynamo DB.

How did they buy me?

Money? Not at all.

Stock options? Apparently not... yet.

I guess I was just very frustrated about the situation at my previous
employer and it just felt cool to jump off and try the startup dope.

(I dropped other job offers meanwhile. They were my first choice).

I must admit I might have been easily fooled by the keyword-dropping
(cloud, nosql, higly-scalable, machine learning...).

Shame on me. I know.

Day 1: I discover the following things:

- mr.API keeps unused imports on his classes. I guess it's some sort of
fetish.

- API compiles with ant. Fine... I figured it was just me hating ant in
2012. I must've said something like "let me *mavenize* all your projects...
please let me!". I kinda did it in the end.

- not just any ant, some shit netbeans does for you, which resulted in them
telling me I was not able to use Eclipse (my IDE lover). I called it racism
and laughed (and just used ant command line).

- no unit testing. No continuous integration.

- no dependency injection. I knew they were not using Spring... but I
figured they were using weld or something.

Code's full of calls to static methods of helper classes. Code has the
stinky tendency to use ThreadLocal as their food trolley. Never seen it
before.

- production deployment (on all 6 instances of glassfish) is done BY HAND.
Does not look like they want to change this.

Not bad for your first day, right?

My first task: set up an oauth authentication provider. oauth 2.0. Cool.

I was *allowed* (literally) to use spring security oauth which to me looked
like the quickest way. Fine.

I got it fully working in like 2 days and if it wasn't for their silly
customization requests, It would've been faster.

What now?

It's been a month now and I want to jump off the window. Here goes a short
list of things I can't stand or bothered me.

- CTO can't code. Seriously. And proudly admits it.

- mr.API screamed at me because I was (successfully) using @Inject and
things like that… especially on the EntityManager that they keep passing
over as a parameter from rest resource to resource helper and so on.

- I said I would've liked the oauth provider pages to follow the mobile
first sort of rule, only to find out they had no idea what I was talking
about (and I ended up media-querying my thingie… which was actually kind of
fun).

- I was asked to produce (in less than a day) and Facebook Connect kind of
button… a nice companion to our newly born oauth provider (that nobody uses
yet)

Where am I going?

I hate it here! Sure we're front page news and all… but the amount of
incompetence and bullshitting I heard so far is unbearable.

I was told I was late for a deadline I was never informed of!

There is no project mgmt tool. No agile or anything for that matter.

They try to fix problems by throwing sheer hours at them (yes, this is a
quote from a book I don't think anyone in this company has read).

Is it just bad luck? Should I ask whether they use maven or jenkins at job
interview?

What I might get out of this is maybe the flexibility (work-for-home/no
badged entrance kind of thing) and (maybe) a trip to our offices in Palo
Alto (if I'm very lucky).

What I wanted to get out of this was learning a new language (Scala maybe),
new things (nosql, hadhoop, mahout). In a word: learn and innovate.

What now?

I'm giving this one or two more months. If I'm still treated like a newbie
by these guys, I'm calling it a quit.

Sorry for the rant again.


 
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Fabrizio Giudici  
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 More options Jul 20 2012, 2:09 pm
From: "Fabrizio Giudici" <Fabrizio.Giud...@tidalwave.it>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:09:12 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 20 2012 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] How I changed my job and hated it immediately (a sequel to "is a digital marketing...")
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:32:06 +0200, zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk  

<zentrop...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry for the rant again.

It's interesting, anyway, to have a confirmation that you can be a  
corporate on the leading news and be a pissoir from the technical point of  
view. Which means that market success in some cases is more a marketing  
stuff.

Next time? Don't consider the fact of being on the leading news a plus.  
Pick one which has a satisfactory developing process - and you should be  
able to guess which ones have it, because if they have it they will  
interview you with questions aiming at understanding if you are able to  
work in that way. So, you'd be aware of their process in a way or another.  
If you don't, this means they don't have a process. Stay away.

--
Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager
Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. Everywhere."
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it
http://tidalwave.it - http://fabriziogiudici.it


 
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Mike Wolfson  
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 More options Jul 22 2012, 9:09 am
From: Mike Wolfson <mwolf...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:09:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jul 22 2012 9:09 am
Subject: Re: How I changed my job and hated it immediately (a sequel to "is a digital marketing...")

I just wanted to let you know your experience is not unique.  I have worked
on a variety of projects at companies of various sizes.  Every project I
have ever been on was encumbered by technical debt due to poor processes,
or flawed technical decisions. It is an extremely important skill (more
important than knowing technology IMHO) to be able to communicate
suggestions, and effect change - in other words, you need to be a
politician, in addition to being a coder.

How you deal with these problems is what makes you a truly great software
engineer.  To say it another way- if you want to be a truly great
developer, you need to be more than a coder, you also need to be a
communicator, and a team player.  

Many of the comments in the previous thread address methods for how you go
about implementing technical changes in a corporate environment.  Learning
these skills, is worthwhile, and will make your career more satisfying.

A couple Google Engineers just wrote a book about how to develop some of
these 'soft skills'.  I would suggest checking it out.  
TeamGeek -
http://www.amazon.com/Team-Geek-Software-Developers-Working/dp/144930...

Those same engineers have given talks at conferences, which are always
entertaining and filled with valuable advice:
Google I/O 2011: Programming Well with Others: Social Skills for Geeks-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-7l8cnpI4k

Google I/O 2012 - The Art of Organizational Manipulation:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTCuYzAw31Y
I have been reviewing these resources myself, as I just started a new job,
that looked very promising on paper, but turned out to have a lot of
challenges that weren't clear during the interview.

Dealing with process, and effecting organizational change, is not something
most developers like to do. However, it is a necessary evil of the software
development process (and present in almost every organization).  Hone your
communication skills, which will make you a much better developer, and a
more valuable (and respected employee).

Good luck, hope you find comfort in knowing that you are not alone in your
frustrations.  

-Mike


 
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Discussion subject changed to "Fwd: [The Java Posse] How I changed my job and hated it immediately (a sequel to "is a digital marketing...")" by Rakesh
Rakesh  
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 More options Jul 22 2012, 2:19 pm
From: Rakesh <rakesh.mailgro...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:19:21 +0100
Local: Sun, Jul 22 2012 2:19 pm
Subject: Fwd: [The Java Posse] How I changed my job and hated it immediately (a sequel to "is a digital marketing...")


 
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