Rudder Bushings (bearings)
pinc
apart for winter projects. The rudder has a little more play in it
than I'd care for, so I'm looking at replacing the bushing. I'm not
ready yet for the edison bearing and the work involved with that.
I've dropped the rudder and can see both bushing in the hull's rudder
post, but they aren't coming out. Each one can move a little in the
post, but it feels like there's a set screw holding them in. I've
crawled back to the post and I can't see anything. Are the screws
glassed over to seal them from leaks? If so, can someone give me an
idea of where they are so I can go digging.
My bushing seems to be made from a G10 type prepreg material. Has
anyone remade them from something like this or just using PTFE or
nylon?
Thanks - Aaron
#44 name still TBD
Colin Mann
I have hull #8. My bushings were never held in with anything but a little
bit of adhesive.
I have replaced mine once. I got them through TPI but they needed a little
adjustment and my local machine shop assured me when they trimmed them that
they would have had no trouble making them for me. I think they said they
use Delrin?
Cheers,
Colin
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pinc
These bushing are lose in the tube and will wiggle around, but won't
pull out. It feels like something is holding them like a set screw.
Maybe I'll just try giving them a little knock with a wooden block to
see if they come out.
BTW, this is Storm Front that came from Nova Scotia. It finally
arrived here in NY
Aaron
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pinc
I keep the boat around Beacon, NY on the Hudson. I just got the boat,
and am stripping it down and hoping to have it back together in the
spring. I got a trailer with the boat, and Todd has been telling me
to bring the boat down to LIS next year. We'll see.. Hope to see you
guys out on the water soon!
I haven't found a source for the bearings and honestly haven't had
time to get back to the boat to look at getting the old ones out. I
just finished up making a new propeller shaft for her and hope to be
putting the drip-less stuffing box on this weekend. But looking at
the bearings, they shouldn't be hard to make.
Andy Oeftering
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Todd Aven
you want to inspect things up close.
Cheers,
Todd
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Andy O
1. Does anyone know a source for replacement bearings
2. If I can't find a replacement source, does anyone know where I can
have them fabricated.
3. If anyone has the dimensions of these bearings, please forward
that info along.
Thanks.. And Happy New Year to All
On Dec 2 2009, 9:41 pm, Todd Aven <t...@avenshaven.net> wrote:
> I'll be removing my rudder for the winter in the next week or two if
> you want to inspect things up close.
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> Cheers,
> Todd
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Imagine... J/92 #45
years ago that the previous owner had made. I was cleaning house and
thought anyone replacing bearings would simply go with the Edson
system which is FAR superior. Looks like I could have gotten ten
bucks for them on eBay. Who knew? Sorry about that!
I still have the old Antal "Grip 10" halyard stoppers in the cellar if
anyone...
Rod Carr
Andrew Oeftering
into this year's commissioning budget.
Andy Oeftering
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Colin Mann
When I replaced mine some years ago, I ordered them from TPI. However, one
of them was a bit too long, so I took them to my local machine shop to be
trimmed. He assured me that he would have had no problem machining me up a
set ( I think he said the material was Delrin?). Would have been MUCH
cheaper too. I'm just starting to get a little play in mine again, so I
should do the same in the spring.
Cheers,
Colin J/92 #8
Lunenburg, NS
Ragtime!
shop for $100. I don't remember what it was made from - some kind of
black composite so maybe Delrin.
Rod, I need one more clutch (for the Solent halyard) and as much as
I'd like to replace all of them, the budget is already shattered.
What do you have?
Bob J.
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Thanks for the info. My usual course of action is to take something apart then order whatever new parts I need. In this case, without a obvious supplier for the bushings, I rather have the replacement parts first. So if you don't mind, I'd appreciate whatever measurements you can make to determine the proper size bushing before I tear the system apart.
.
Andy
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Todd Aven
I haven't done it yet, but I'm happy to pull the rudder and let you measure the bushings on Thin Man if that is any help. We can combine with the winch cleaning party. ;-)
Cheers,
Todd
Andy Oeftering
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pinc
you guys :) I'm assuming that even the boats with bearings still
have the same 2.5" rudder post.
Jerry - Do you know what your replacement bushings are made from?
From looking at mine, they look more like a FR4/G10 then a derlin.
But I still can't get my old bushing out of the rudder tube. They
have free play and you can feel them moving around, but they're not
coming out. Something is holding them but I think it will have to wait
for next year as there are too many boat projects going already. Just
extra grease in the spring and watch how it holds up.
Aaron
On Jan 2, 6:53 pm, "Andy Oeftering" <aoefter...@comptroub.com> wrote:
> Maybe next week?
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> Subject: Re: [j92owners] Re: Rudder Bushings (bearings)
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> Andy,
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> I haven't done it yet, but I'm happy to pull the rudder and let you measure the bushings on Thin Man if that is any help. We can combine with the winch cleaning party. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Todd
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> On 1/2/2010 6:10 PM, andyo...@gmail.com <mailto:andyo...@gmail.com> wrote: Jerry,
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> Thanks for the info. My usual course of action is to take something apart then order whatever new parts I need. In this case, without a obvious supplier for the bushings, I rather have the replacement parts first. So if you don't mind, I'd appreciate whatever measurements you can make to determine the proper size bushing before I tear the system apart.
> .
> Andy
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> From: Jerry Berndsen <berndsen.je...@gmail.com> <mailto:berndsen.je...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:11:30 -0600
> To: <j92o...@googlegroups.com> <mailto:j92o...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [j92owners] Re: Rudder Bushings (bearings)
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> Hi Andy,
>
> I recently replaced the rudder bushings in my boat. It was an interesting experience. Since then I have found out that some of the J92s have actual rudder bearings and some have bushings. Before I pulled my boat out of the water I had purchased a set of bearings from PYI. Here is a link for your referencehttp://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/jefa/2009_jefa_retrofit_rudder_beari...<http://www.pyiinc.com/images/pdf/jefa/2009_jefa_retrofit_rudder_beari...> Once I got the rudder off the boat, I found that my hull did not have bearing but just some bushings. The rudder tube in my hull was not big enough to use the bearings. Since I did not want to get into installing a new rudder tube, the boat yard was able to machine me some new bushings since I did not find any suppliers. So you my want to look at the dimensions of the bearings shown in the above link and see if your rudder tube is close to correct. I would think that you could take a good guess by looking at the outside diameter of the tube. I will be on my boat tomorrow and could take a quick measurement on my rudder tube to give you something to index off of if you would like.
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> Just my $0.02. Hope this helps.
> Jerry
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> On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Andy O <andyo...@gmail.com <mailto:andyo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> Just following up on the rudder bearing thread.
>
> 1. Does anyone know a source for replacement bearings
> 2. If I can't find a replacement source, does anyone know where I can
> have them fabricated.
> 3. If anyone has the dimensions of these bearings, please forward
> that info along.
>
> Thanks.. And Happy New Year to All
>
> On Dec 2 2009, 9:41 pm, Todd Aven <t...@avenshaven.net <mailto:t...@avenshaven.net> > wrote:
> > I'll be removing my rudder for the winter in the next week or two if
> > you want to inspect things up close.
>
> > Cheers,
> > Todd
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> > On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:25 PM, pinc <pinc...@gmail.com <mailto:pinc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > > Hi Andy -
> > > I keep the boat around Beacon, NY on the Hudson. I just got the boat,
> > > and am stripping it down and hoping to have it back together in the
> > > spring. I got a trailer with the boat, and Todd has been telling me
> > > to bring the boat down to LIS next year. We'll see.. Hope to see you
> > > guys out on the water soon!
>
> > > I haven't found a source for the bearings and honestly haven't had
> > > time to get back to the boat to look at getting the old ones out. I
> > > just finished up making a new propeller shaft for her and hope to be
> > > putting the drip-less stuffing box on this weekend. But looking at
> > > the bearings, they shouldn't be hard to make.
>
> > > On Nov 30, 8:06 am, Andy O <andyo...@gmail.com <mailto:andyo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >> Aaron... do you have a source for replacement bushings???
>
> > >> On Nov 29, 8:11 pm, Andy O <andyo...@gmail.com <mailto:andyo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
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> > >>> Where in NY?
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> > >>> On Nov 17, 4:10 pm, pinc <pinc...@gmail.com <mailto:pinc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> > >>>> Thanks Colin -
> > >>>> These bushing are lose in the tube and will wiggle around, but
> > >>>> won't
> > >>>> pull out. It feels like something is holding them like a set
> > >>>> screw.
> > >>>> Maybe I'll just try giving them a little knock with a wooden
> > >>>> block to
> > >>>> see if they come out.
>
> > >>>> BTW, this is Storm Front that came from Nova Scotia. It finally
> > >>>> arrived here in NY
>
> > >>>> Aaron
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Jerry,
Thanks for the info. My usual course of action is to take something apart then order whatever new parts I need. In this case, without a obvious supplier for the bushings, I rather have the replacement parts first. So if you don't mind, I'd appreciate whatever measurements you can make to determine the proper size bushing before I tear the system apart.
Thin Man #14
with calipers. The parts diagram is on Page 10 of the J/92 Owner
Manual. I've scanned it and posted to the Files section <a
href="http://j92owners.googlegroups.com/web/J92-Owner-Manual--Steering-
System.pdf">here</a>.
Assembly: Steering System
Part Name: Rudder Collar
Part Number: 50223
Material: white plastic
Inside Diameter: 64.3mm (2 1/2")
Outside Diameter: 89.3mm (3 1/2")
Thickness: .25" (6.0 mm)
Comment: *** TOO THICK, REDUCE TO 5.0mm ***
Part Name: Bearing (lower)
Part Number: 21129
Material: black plastic
Inside Diameter: 64.1mm (2 1/2 inches)
Outside Diameter: 74.7mm
Wall Thickness: 5.3mm (3/16 inches)
Height: 52.4mm (2 1/16 inches)
Part Name: Bearing (upper)
Part Number: 21129
Material: black plastic
Inside Diameter: 63.5mm
Outside Diameter: 75mm
Wall Thickness: 5mm
Height: 51.5mm
Comment: *** Unable to remove from tube assembly, approx.
measurements ***
Part Name: Tube Assembly
Part Number: 50187
Material:
Inside Diameter: 75mm
Outside Diameter:
Wall Thickness:
Height: 17 7/16 inches
Part Name: Spacer Bearing
Part Number: 17472
Material: white plastic
Inside Diameter: 65.0mm
Outside Diameter: 74.3mm
Wall Thickness: 5.0mm
Height: 26.0mm
Andrew Oeftering
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On Jan 31, 8:26 pm, Andrew Oeftering <aoefter...@comptroub.com> wrote:
> Also I'm assuming all these plastic parts are actually Delrin.
The Rudder Collar (white plastic) was sourced by Colin Mann. Pretty
sure that's Delrin. The Spacer Bearing is the same material. The black
plastic looks homogeneous (not fibrous). Does Delrin come in black,
too?
Looking at the assembly diagram, it's now obvious why I blew out the
butt end of the tiller. I have no tiller strap to transfer the load
from the pivot bolt to the tiller. There's 7mm of space between the
tiller and the tiller head filled by two 2.5mm plastic spacers.
Does anyone have tiller straps on their tiller? Pictures?
Thanks,
Todd
Andrew Oeftering
grades, but you can buy raw stock on Amazon.com.
I don't have a tiller strap but rather stainless steel plates on either side
of the pivot bolt. It's very tight without spacer. I simply needed to
tighten the bolt from time to time throughout the season if I felt any play.
I'll send pix. As you can see from the spare I gave you, mine blew out too,
even with the plate. It appears to me that the back end of the tiller
simply rotted out and allowed the top and bottom of the back end of the
tiller to separate under load. The plate wasn't strong enough to hold the
tiller together. When I bought my new tiller from H & L (see useful links on
the googlegroups page) it was cut square in the back without a bolt hole.
The boat yard drilled the hole and sanded a curve into the back of the
tiller so that it would move up and down smoothly. You must then treat the
sanded/drilled area with waterproofing, or the rot will proceed forthwith.
Andy Oeftering
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pinc
I uploaded a picture of my tiller (don’t know how to attach it to the
thread). The straps are 1/8" stock and cut down 1.75 X 6" There's
a space between them where the bolt goes through to keep the straps
from distorting in under the compression load (but mine have done that
anyways) If you need help making them, let me know.
It looks like someone has added three bolts to help hold the laminated
tiller together on mine - it's helping but not able to avoid the
unavoidable.
Aaron
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the rudder bearings, which appear to be composed of G-10, are not
coming out of the rudder tube assembly without a fight. I used a long
1/4 steel rod to try to tap them out, using more force on the hammer
than I thought would break them loose. They're good and stuck. I
don't want to get medieval with these bushings but I'm thinking my
only option is to carefully cut them lengthwise with a hack saw blade,
then pry them out. Any other ideas would be appreciated.
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rudder tube assembly has a 'lip' a couple inches in from each end to
stop the bushing from sliding too far into the tube. You are probably
hitting the lip rather than the bushing, and it will eventually break.
You need something that will go inside the bushing and grab the inner
surface so that you can pull it out with a bit of wiggling or twisting.
Andy Oeftering
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