Venezuelan President’s Speech on Climate Change in Copenhagen
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Venezuelan President’s Speech on Climate Change in Copenhagen
December 17th 2009, by Hugo Chavez
Copenhagen, Kingdom of Denmark
Wednesday, December 16th, 2009
President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez:
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, Excellencies, friends, I promise
that I will not talk more than most have spoken this afternoon. Allow me
an initial comment which I would have liked to make as part of the
previous point which was expressed by the delegations of Brazil, China,
India, and Bolivia. We were there asking to speak but it was not
possible. Bolivia's representative said, my salute of course to Comrade
President Evo Morales, who is there, President of the Republic of Bolivia.
[Audience applause]
She said among other things the following, I noted it here, she said the
text presented is not democratic, it is not inclusive.
I had hardly arrived and we were just sitting down when we heard the
president of the previous session, the minister, saying that a document
came about, but nobody knows, I've asked for the document, but we still
don’t have it, I think nobody knows of that top secret document.
Now certainly, as the Bolivian comrade said, that is not democratic, it
is not inclusive. Now, ladies and gentlemen, isn’t that just the reality
of the world?
Are we in a democratic world? Is the global system inclusive? Can we
hope for something democratic, inclusive from the current global system?
What we are experiencing on this planet is an imperial dictatorship, and
from here we continue denouncing it. Down with imperial dictatorship!
And long live the people and democracy and equality on this planet!
[Audience applause]
And what we see here is a reflection of this: Exclusion.
There is a group of countries that consider themselves superior to us in
the South, to us in the Third World, to us, the underdeveloped
countries, or as a great friend Eduardo Galeano says, we, the crushed
countries, as if a train ran over us in history.
In light of this, it’s no surprise that there is no democracy in the
world and here we are again faced with powerful evidence of global
imperial dictatorship. Then two youths got up here, fortunately the
enforcement officials were decent, some push around, and they
collaborated right? There are many people outside, you know? Of course,
they do not fit in this room, they are too many people. I've read in the
news that there were some arrests, some intense protests, there in the
streets of Copenhagen, and I salute all those people out there, most of
them youth.
[Audience applause]
Of course young people are concerned, I think rightly much more than we
are, for the future of the world. We have - most of us here - the sun on
our backs, and they have to face the sun and are very worried.
One could say, Mr. President, that a spectre is haunting Copenhagen, to
paraphrase Karl Marx, the great Karl Marx, a spectre is haunting the
streets of Copenhagen, and I think that spectre walks silently through
this room, walking around among us, through the halls, out below, it
rises, this spectre is a terrible spectre almost nobody wants to mention
it: Capitalism is the spectre, almost nobody wants to mention it.
[Audience applause]
It’s capitalism, the people roar, out there, hear them.
I have been reading some of the slogans painted on the streets, and I
think those slogans of these youngsters, some of which I heard when I
was young, and of the young woman there, two of which I noted. You can
hear among others, two powerful slogans. One: Don’t change the climate,
change the system.
[Audience applause]
And I take it onboard for us. Let’s not change the climate, let’s change
the system! And consequently we will begin to save the planet.
Capitalism is a destructive development model that is putting an end to
life; it threatens to put a definitive end to the human species.
And another slogan calls for reflection. It is very in tune with the
banking crisis that swept the world and still affects it, and of how the
rich northern countries gave aid to bankers and the big banks. The U.S.
alone gave, well, I lost the figure, but it is astronomical, to save the
banks. They say in the streets the following: If the climate were a bank
it would have been saved already.
[Audience applause]
And I think that's true. If the climate were one of the biggest
capitalist banks, the rich governments would have saved it.
I think Obama has not arrived. He received the Nobel Peace Prize almost
the same day that he sent 30 thousand soldiers to kill more innocents in
Afghanistan, and now he comes to stand here with the Nobel Peace Prize,
the president of the United States.
But the United States has the machinery to make money, to make dollars,
and has saved, well, they believe they have saved the banks and the
capitalist system.
Well, this is a side comment that I wanted to make previously. We were
raising our hand to accompany Brazil, India, Bolivia, China, in their
interesting position that Venezuela and the countries of the Bolivarian
Alliance firmly share. But hey, they didn’t let us speak, so do not
count these minutes please, Mr. President.
[Audience applause]
Look, over there I met, I had the pleasure of meeting this French author
Hervé Kempf. Recommending this book, I recommend it, it is available in
Spanish – there is Hervé - its also in French, and surely in English,
How the Rich are Destroying the Planet. Hervé Kempf: How the Rich are
Destroying the Planet. This is what Christ said: it would be easier for
a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter
the kingdom of heaven. This is what our lord Christ said.
[Audience applause]
The rich are destroying the planet. Do they think the can go to another
when they destroy this one? Do they have plans to go to another planet?
So far there is none on the horizon of the galaxy.
This book has just reached me, Ignacio Ramonet gave it to me, and he is
also around somewhere in this room. Finishing the prologue or the
preamble this phrase is very important, Kempf says the following, I’ll
read it:
“We can not reduce global material consumption if we don’t make the
powerful go down several levels, and if we don’t combat inequality. It
is necessary that to the ecological principle that is so useful at the
time of becoming conscious, ‘think globally and act locally,’ we add the
principle that the situation imposes: ‘Consume less and share better.’”
I think it is good advice that this French author Hervé Kempf gives us.
[Audience applause]
Well then, Mr. President, climate change is undoubtedly the most
devastating environmental problem of this century. Floods, droughts,
severe storms, hurricanes, melting ice caps, rise in mean sea levels,
ocean acidification and heat waves, all of that sharpens the impact of
global crisis besetting us.
Current human activity exceeds the threshold of sustainability,
endangering life on the planet, but also in this we are profoundly unequal.
I want to recall: the 500 million richest people, 500 million, this is
seven percent, seven percent, seven percent of the world’s population.
This seven percent is responsible, these 500 million richest people are
responsible for 50 percent of emissions, while the poorest 50 percent
accounts for only seven percent of emissions.
So it strikes me as a bit strange to put the United States and China at
the same level. The United States has just, well; it will soon reach 300
million people. China has nearly five times the U.S. population. The
United Status consumes more than 20 million barrels of oil a day, China
only reaches 5-6 million barrels a day, you can’t ask the same of the
United States and China.
There are issues to discuss, hopefully we the heads of states and
governments can sit down and discuss the truth, the truth about these
issues.
So, Mr. President, 60 percent of the planet’s ecosystems are damaged, 20
percent of the earth's crust is degraded, we have been impassive
witnesses to deforestation, land conversion, desertification,
deterioration of fresh water systems, overexploitation of marine
resources, pollution and loss of biodiversity.
The overuse of the land exceeds by 30 percent the capacity to regenerate
it. The planet is losing what the technicians call the ability to
regulate itself; the planet is losing this. Every day more waste than
can be processed is released. The survival of our species hammers in the
consciousness of humanity. Despite the urgency, it has taken two years
of negotiations for a second commitment period under the Kyoto Protocol,
and we attend this event without any real and meaningful agreement.
And indeed, on the text that comes from out of the blue, as some have
called it, Venezuela says, and the ALBA countries, the Bolivarian
Alliance say that we will not accept, since then we’ve said it, any
other texts that do not come from working groups under the Kyoto
Protocol and the Convention. They are the legitimate texts that we have
been discussing so intensely over the years.
[Audience applause]
And in these last few hours, I believe you have not slept, plus you have
not eaten, you have not slept. It does not seem logical to me to come
out now with a document from scratch, as you say.
The scientifically substantiated objective of reducing the emission of
polluting gases and achieving an agreement on long-term cooperation
clearly, today at this time, has apparently failed, for now.
What is the reason? We have no doubt.
The reason is the irresponsible attitude and lack of political will from
the most powerful nations on the planet. No one should feel offended, I
recall the great José Gervasio Artigas when he said: “With the truth, I
neither offend nor fear.” But it is actually an irresponsible attitude
of positions, of reversals, of exclusions, of elitist management of a
problem that belongs to everyone and that we can only solve together.
The political conservatism and selfishness of the largest consumers, of
the richest countries shows high insensitivity and lack of solidarity
with the poor, the hungry, and the most vulnerable to disease, to
natural disasters. Mr. President, a new and single agreement is
essential, applicable to absolutely unequal parties, according to the
magnitude of their contributions and economic, financial and
technological capabilities and based on unconditional respect for the
principles contained in the Convention.
Developed countries should set binding, clear and concrete commitments
for the substantial reduction of their emissions and assume obligations
of financial and technological assistance to poor countries to cope with
the destructive dangers of climate change. In this respect, the
uniqueness of island states and least developed countries should be
fully recognized.
Mr. President, climate change is not the only problem facing humanity
today. Other scourges and injustices beset us, the gap between rich and
poor countries has continued to grow, despite all the millennium goals,
the Monterrey financing summit, at all these summits as the President of
Senegal said here, revealing a great truth, there are promises and
unfulfilled promises and the world continues its destructive march.
The total income of the 500 richest individuals in the world is greater
than the income of the 416 million poorest people. The 2.8 billion
people living in poverty on less than $2 per day, representing 40 per
percent of the global population, receive only 5 percent of world income.
Today each year about 9.2 million children die before reaching their
fifth year and 99.9 percent of these deaths occur in poorer countries.
Infant mortality is 47 deaths per thousand live births, but is only 5
per thousand in rich countries. Life expectancy on the planet is 67
years, in rich countries it is 79, while in some poor nations is only 40
years.
Additionally, there are 1.1 billion people without access to drinking
water, 2.6 billion without sanitation services, over 800 million
illiterate and 1.02 billion hungry people, that’s the global scenario.
Now the cause, what is the cause?
Let’s talk about the cause, let’s not evade responsibilities, and let’s
not evade the depth of this problem. The cause, undoubtedly, I return to
the theme of this whole disastrous panorama, is the destructive
metabolic system of capital and its embodied model: Capitalism.
Here’s a quote that I want to read briefly, from that great liberation
theologian Leonardo Boff, as we know a Brazilian, our American. Leonardo
Boff says on this subject as follows:
“What is the cause? Ah, the cause is the dream of seeking happiness
through material accumulation and of endless progress, using for this
science and technology with which they can exploit without limits all
the resources of the earth.”
And he cites here Charles Darwin and his “natural selection”, the
survival of the fittest, but we know that the strongest survive over the
ashes of the weakest.
Jean Jacques Rousseau, we must always remember, said that between the
strong and the weak, freedom is oppressed. That’s why the Empire speaks
of freedom; it’s the freedom to oppress, to invade, to kill, to
annihilate, and to exploit. That is their freedom, and Rousseau adds
this saving phrase: “Only the law liberates.”
There are countries that are hoping that no document comes out of here
precisely because they do not want a law, do not want a standard,
because the absence of these norms allows them to play at their
exploitative freedom, their crushing freedom.
We must make an effort and pressure here and in the streets, so that a
commitment comes out of here, a document that commits the most powerful
countries on earth.
[Audience applause]
Well, Mr. President, Leonardo Boff asks... Have you met Boff? I do not
know whether Leonardo might come, I met him recently in Paraguay, we’ve
always read him.
Can a finite earth support an infinite project? The thesis of
capitalism, infinite development, is a destructive pattern, let’s face it.
Then Boff asks us, what might we expect from Copenhagen? At least this
simple confession: We can not continue like this. And a simple
proposition: Let’s change course. Let's do it, but without cynicism,
without lies, without double agendas, no documents out of the blue, with
the truth out in the open.
How long, we ask from Venezuela, Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen,
how long are we going to allow such injustices and inequalities? How
long are we going to tolerate the current international economic order
and prevailing market mechanisms? How long are we going to allow huge
epidemics like HIV/AIDS to ravage entire populations? How long are we
going to allow the hungry to not eat or to be able to feed their own
children? How long are we going to allow millions of children to die
from curable diseases? How long will we allow armed conflicts to
massacre millions of innocent human beings in order for the powerful to
seize the resources of other peoples?
Cease the aggressions and the wars! We the peoples of the world ask of
the empires, to those who try to continue dominating the world and
exploiting us.
No more imperial military bases or military coups! Let’s build a more
just and equitable economic and social order, let’s eradicate poverty,
let’s immediately stop the high emission levels, let’s stop
environmental degradation and avoid the great catastrophe of climate
change, let’s integrate ourselves into the noble goal of everyone being
more free and united.
Mr. President, almost two centuries ago, a universal Venezuelan, a
liberator of nations and precursor of consciences left to posterity a
full-willed maxim: “If nature opposes us, let’s fight against it and
make it obey us.” That was Simón Bolívar, the Liberator.
From Bolivarian Venezuela, where a day like today some ten years ago,
ten years exactly, we experienced the biggest climate tragedy in our
history (the Vargas tragedy it is called), from this Venezuela whose
revolution tries to win justice for all people, we say it is only
possible through the path of socialism!
Socialism, the other spectre Karl Marx spoke about, which walks here
too, rather it is like a counter-spectre. Socialism, this is the
direction, this is the path to save the planet, I don’t have the least
doubt. Capitalism is the road to hell, to the destruction of the world.
We say this from Venezuela, which because of socialism faces threats
from the U.S. Empire.
From the countries that comprise ALBA, the Bolivarian Alliance, we
call, and I want to, with respect, but from my soul, call in the name of
many on this planet, we say to governments and peoples of the Earth, to
paraphrase Simón Bolívar, the Liberator: If the destructive nature of
capitalism opposes us, let’s fight against it and make it obey us, let’s
not wait idly by for the death of humanity.
History calls on us to unite and to fight.
If capitalism resists, we are obliged to take up a battle against
capitalism and open the way for the salvation of the human species. It’s
up to us, raising the banners of Christ, Mohammed, equality, love,
justice, humanity, the true and most profound humanism. If we don’t do
it, the most wonderful creation of the universe, the human being, will
disappear, it will disappear.
This planet is billions of years old, and this planet existed for
billions of years without us, the human species, i.e. it doesn’t need us
to exist. Now, without the Earth we will not exist, and we are
destroying Pachamama as Evo says, as our indigenous brothers from South
America say.
Finally, Mr. President, and to finish, let’s listen to Fidel Castro when
he said: “One species is in danger of extinction: Humanity.”
Let’s listen to Rosa Luxemburg when she said: “Socialism or Barbarism.”
Let us listen to Christ the Redeemer when he said: “Blessed are the poor
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, we are capable of not making this
Earth the tomb of humanity. Let us make this earth a heaven, a heaven of
life, of peace, peace and brotherhood for all humanity, for the human
species.
Mr. President, ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much and enjoy your
meal.
[Audience applause]
Translated by Kiraz Janicke for Venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/5013
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Tonibaruch
> Lo ha già postato Giano
Quindi perché riposti per la seconda volta la stessa cagata?
Sei pirla?
Tb (bieco illuminista)
--
"A vote is like a rifle, it's usefulness depends upon the character of
the user."
~ Theodore Roosevelt
נחום
> Cease the aggressions and the wars!
e, per esempio:
The conflict between Jews and Arabs in the Land of Israel has taken many
forms over the past 90 years since the Passover Riots of April 1920,
which mark the first real organized local Arab effort to overturn the
political decision made to reconstitute the Jewish National Home. Almost
all of those forms have been violent.
There was once a display of black flags in Bet Shean when the High
Commissioner appeared for a courtesy visit, but otherwise it was the
secret Black Hand Society founded in 1919, Haj Amin El-Husseini, Azziz
A-Din Al-Qassam and Yasser Arafat that dominated the scene - with
terror, brigandage, slaughter and fire. Before Hamas was Fatah, and
before Fatah were the fedayeen, and before the fedayeen there were the
gangs.
Ethnic cleansing was initiated and put into practice by Arabs. They
caused the loss, temporarily, of Tel Hai in 1920, of Hebron, Gaza City,
Jenin and Hulda in 1929, of Atarot, Bet HaAravah, Gush Etzion and
Jerusalem's Old City in 1948. During the 1948-1967 exile from the
heartland of Eretz-Yisrael, the Mount of Olives cemetery was desecrated
and over 30 synagogues with the Old City walls were ransacked. Today,
the Temple Mount has no Jewish religious value nor scientific
archaeological worth for the Waqf authorities dig up, dump and destroy.
Since the Oslo Accords, the Arabs have torched Joseph's Tomb in Nablus
and vandalized the Shalom Al Yisrael 4th century synagogue in Jericho.
We have had two intifadas during which Arabs exclusively targeted
civilians, preferably young children on school buses, diners at
restaurants and pizza parlors, shoppers at grocery stores and malls, and
pedestrians.
Last Friday morning, it was reported that a section of a mosque was set
afire at Yassuf. Israel's President, Prime Minister, Ministers, MKs and
a host of others, including rabbis from Jewish communities in Judea and
Samaria, condemned the deed without waiting for any confirmation. As was
proper. In addition, UN Special Coordinator Robert Serry, the EU
represented by Sweden's Consul-General Eliasson and some public
relations clerk in the US Consulate-General also chimed in with
denunciations.
And then a woman, 22 years old, was stabbed in Gush Etzion by an Arab.
She was Jewish.
Silence.
The difference.
http://cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/greenlined/entry/yes_there_is_a_difference
נחום
> Sei pirla?
esiste una ipotesi.
amaryllide
> Persio ha scritto:
>
> > Cease the aggressions and the wars!
>
> e, per esempio:
>
> The conflict between Jews and Arabs
ecco una dimostrazione di ottusità nazionalistica, che fa il degno
paio con haaretz che come unico commento al fallimento di Copenhagen
dice che è la dimostrazione che gli USA temono la Cina e quindi le
daranno ragione anche sull'Iran. La stessa ampiezza di visuale di un
cieco che sta precipitando dal grattacielo e continua a menare pugni
nell'aria contro un nemico che non esiste.
Tonibaruch
A parte la metafora patetica.
L'Iran non esiste?
Bombacci non si intende molto di nemici.
amaryllide
> amaryllide ha scritto:
>
> > On 19 Dic, 23:15, נחום <andrea.na...@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> Persio ha scritto:
>
> >>> Cease the aggressions and the wars!
> >> e, per esempio:
>
> >> The conflict between Jews and Arabs
>
> > ecco una dimostrazione di ottusità nazionalistica, che fa il degno
> > paio con haaretz che come unico commento al fallimento di Copenhagen
> > dice che è la dimostrazione che gli USA temono la Cina e quindi le
> > daranno ragione anche sull'Iran. La stessa ampiezza di visuale di un
> > cieco che sta precipitando dal grattacielo e continua a menare pugni
> > nell'aria contro un nemico che non esiste.
>
> A parte la metafora patetica.
>
> L'Iran non esiste?
a Copenhagen non si parlava di Iran, ergo LI' non esiste
Giano
"Persio" <persio...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lo ha gi� postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
>
#_Certo che si merita un post a se, ma i miei post non li apre nessuno. Si
va solo a sbirciare gli interventi miei; allora, perlomeno un paio, leggono!
Solo i consueti ebeti del duo il gatto e la volpe, non leggono, ma sputano
la loro immancabile merda!
_Vorrei scrivere Repetita Iuvant, cosi`i professori di Latino si
affacceranno subito a correggerla , cosi` forse si leggeranno il discorso di
Chavez. Discorso che ha fatto pieno onore ai miseri, impotenti, cittadini
del mondo e in special modo a tutti quelli che, fuori dell'alluzzata di
Kobenhavn, si son presi botte da orbi, dai consueti servitori ignari del
potere che ci ammazzera` tutti.
"If the climate were a bank it would have been saved already....ladies and
Giano
"amalric" <ama...@TOGLIMIalice.it> wrote in message
news:4b2d73d3$0$1114$4faf...@reader3.news.tin.it...
> In article <hgjoce$3p5$1...@nnrp-beta.newsland.it>,
> "Giano" <mim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> "If the climate were a bank it would have been saved already....ladies
>> and
>> gentlemen, thank you very much and enjoy your meal."
>
> pecore accattone.
>
> Perche' se fosse dipeso dall' America latina o dall'Africa il meeting
> non si sarebbe mai tenuto, tanto poco hanno la capacita' di misurare
> l'impatto climatico,
#_Per il loro peso politico mondiale, ci credo.
Tanto piu`, le misure non dipendono da analisi home made...
Ma gli africani del Corno gia`sanno che i due gradi in piu`significano in
realta` 3,5 ad aumentare siccita`e carestia.
e di raggiungere l'autonomia economica fuori
> dall'accattonaggio.
#_Da paesi subequatoriali "colonizzati", soggetti fino ieri, ai vampirismi
dell'Europa?
Il Sudamerica si sta svegliando, pero`! Per l'Africa se si fosse trovato il
modo di alleviarle la malnutrizione si sarebbero potute costruire
Universita`,poi; ma quel poi e`una chimera per tutti e specialmente per
loro.
> In fondo si trattava di iniziare a mettere le grandi economie
> produttrici di carbonio ad un qualche primo registro per impedire
> l'innalzamento di temperatura oltre ad una certa temperatura media
> devastatrice, e le piccole nazioni, in una situazione di naufragio, non
> hanno trovato niente di meglio che ricattare sul loro voto.
#_Vai un po' a chiedere a chi gia`produce procapite la maggioranza di CO2 di
limitare un po' il proprio tenore di vita!? E`un equo sacrificio che manca.
Il meeting di Copenhagen e`stato una farsa, perche`ognuno dovra`fare i conti
col proprio Parlamento per mantenere le promesse.
> Col risultato che, come nella EU, si cerchera' di introdurre nelle
> prossime assise sul GC un principio maggioritario che impedisca alle
> piccole nazioni di bloccare il voto.
#_Se non gli presentano le bozze dei documenti o neanche quelli gia` decisi,
fa lo stesso. (ma l'hai letto il discorso o sputi sentenze accazzo?)
amaryllide
> Lo ha già postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
qui la traduzione:
http://selvasorg.blogspot.com/2009/12/se-il-clima-fosse-una-banca-lavrebbero.html
Giano
"amalric" <ama...@TOGLIMIalice.it> wrote in message
> In article <hgjvd1$7ed$1...@nnrp-beta.newsland.it>,
> "Giano" <mim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> #_Vai un po' a chiedere a chi gia`produce procapite la maggioranza di CO2
>> di
>> limitare un po' il proprio tenore di vita!? E`un equo sacrificio che
>> manca.
>
> spintarella e affronta il vasto Oceano...
>
> Aloha!
>
> Am.
#_E` da dieci anni che so' riparato in collinaaaaaa !!!!
Giano
"amaryllide" <amary...@libero.it> wrote in message
news:f4ddbac2-2dd5-4d14...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...> Lo ha gi� postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
#_Bravo Johnny!...
Fai con umilta`il nostro cane da tartufi !
10 e lode.
נחום
> amaryllide ha scritto:
>> On 19 Dic, 23:15, נחום <andrea.na...@yahoo.it> wrote:
>>> Persio ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> Cease the aggressions and the wars!
>>> e, per esempio:
>>>
>>> The conflict between Jews and Arabs
>>
>> ecco una dimostrazione di ottusità nazionalistica, che fa il degno
>> paio con haaretz che come unico commento al fallimento di Copenhagen
>> dice che è la dimostrazione che gli USA temono la Cina e quindi le
>> daranno ragione anche sull'Iran. La stessa ampiezza di visuale di un
>> cieco che sta precipitando dal grattacielo e continua a menare pugni
>> nell'aria contro un nemico che non esiste.
>
> A parte la metafora patetica.
>
> L'Iran non esiste?
peggio. Bombacci ritiene che i terroristi palestinesi siano un nemico
inesistente. Non si intende di medio oriente, evidentemente.
Lord Curzon
"Persio" <persio...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:hgjj05$som$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Lo ha già postato Giano ma voglio metterlo meglio in evidenza: merita.
poi ci si lamenta che non si fa la raccolta differenziata... :-)
Lord Curzon
"Giano" <mim...@gmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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fossi in voi mi preoccuperei seriamente del problema dei rifiuti come ha
anche espresso Chavez... :-)) Questa � la terza discarica che proponete.
Speriamo che sia almeno biodegradabile... :-))
Palmiro Pangloss
Un'ipotesi autorevole.
PP
amaryllide
>
> peggio. Bombacci ritiene che i terroristi palestinesi
IO ritengo che a Copenhagen non si parli di terroristi palestinesi,
IMBECILEE
ricard
caribe e' un a BOMBA ecologica (proprieta' di PDVSA compagnia di stato
di Chavez).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30178373@N00/2286820645/
El Palito, con le sue catapecchie...il paese ha un introito da
idrocarburi di 1500$ PRO CAPITE ANNUO.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariays/2753622089/
Questa gente NON ha avuto NULLA:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/87393482@N00/395319195/
Chavez e' al potere dal 1998, sono ormai 10 anni e NIENTE e'
cambiato...o meglio sono cambiati i corrotti.
Altro che parlare a Copenhagen
amaryllide
> Questo e' el palito, raffineria di Chavez
le raffinerie di stato non sono di Chavez. Puoi andare, pirla
Giano
"ricard" <rpe...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
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>
> Altro che parlare a Copenhagen
>
#_Aspetta il prossimo raccolto di Settembre; questa mandata di "erba"
e`andata a male!
ricard
Coglione le raffinerie sono di Chavez che con PDVSA fa quello che
vuole (come licenziare tutti i firmatari dei referendum contro di
lui).
Questo il presidente di PDVSA
Rafael Ramírez Carreño
En febrero de 2002 fue designado Director Externo de Petróleos de
Venezuela. En julio de ese mismo año fue juramentado por el presidente
de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez Frías, como
Ministro de Energía y Minas (MEM), organismo que pasó a denominarse
Ministerio de Energía y Petróleo a partir de enero de 2005.
Se sei un poarello ignorante almeno taci!
Non sei obbligato a sparare coglionate.
ricard
> "ricard" <rper...@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
Come fai a saperlo? Te la sei fumata tutta?
ricard
E dimenticavo il vicepresidente si chiama
Asdrubal Chavez......Omonimia....NOOOOOOO!!
E' proprio suo cugino!!
Stupido!
amaryllide
> On Dec 21, 11:47 am, amaryllide <amaryll...@libero.it> wrote:
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> > On 21 Dic, 13:00, ricard <rper...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > > Questo e' el palito, raffineria di Chavez
>
> > le raffinerie di stato non sono di Chavez. Puoi andare, pirla
>
> Coglione le raffinerie sono di Chavez
posta il contratto che dice che sono proprietà privata del signor Hugo
Chavez, e tali rimarranno anche quando perderà le elezioni, PIRLA!
ricard
Caro imbecille, chi si mette in tasca i profitti? ....Chavez
Chi licenzia e assume a piacere? .....Chavez!
Postami tu il link che dice he berlusconi non decide in rai, per
esempio.
Ripeto, non sei obbligato a sparare cazzate!
נחום
> On Dec 23 2009, 7:11 pm, amaryllide <amaryll...@libero.it> wrote:
>> On 22 Dic, 14:20, ricard <rper...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 11:47 am, amaryllide <amaryll...@libero.it> wrote:
>>>> On 21 Dic, 13:00, ricard <rper...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>>>> Questo e' el palito, raffineria di Chavez
>>>> le raffinerie di stato non sono di Chavez. Puoi andare, pirla
>>> Coglione le raffinerie sono di Chavez
>> posta il contratto che dice che sono proprietà privata del signor Hugo
>> Chavez, e tali rimarranno anche quando perderà le elezioni, PIRLA!
>
> Caro imbecille, chi si mette in tasca i profitti? ....Chavez
> Chi licenzia e assume a piacere? .....Chavez!
caro ricard, il Bombacci (cioe', nella sua presente incarnazione,
amalyllicoso) e' uno di quelli convinti che
"E un lager, cos'è un lager? Il fenomeno ci fu. E' finito! Li
commemoriamo, il resto è un mito! l'hanno confermato ieri giù al
partito, chi lo afferma è un qualunquista cane!
Cos'è un lager? E' una cosa sporca, cosa dei padroni, cosa vergognosa di
certe nazioni, noi ammazziamo solo per motivi buoni... quando sono
buoni? Sta a noi giudicare!
Cos'è un lager? E' una fede certa e salverà la gente, l' utopia che un
giorno si farà presente millenaria idea, gran purga d' occidente, chi si
oppone è un giuda e lo dovrai schiacciare!"
Non ci si puo' ragionare, insomma.
amaryllide
> Caro imbecille, chi si mette in tasca i profitti? ....Chavez
saprai citarmi con comodo la legge dello stato venezuelano che impone
di versare i profitti della PDVSA sul conto di CHavez, vero?
> Postami tu il link che dice che berlusconi non decide in rai,
non ci può essere, perchè la maggioranza del CdA RAI è stata scelta da
berlusconi stesso, e questo è un FATTO indiscutibile, mentre i
profitti che vanno in tasca a Chavez sono una balla.
amaryllide
> "E un lager, cos'è un lager? Il fenomeno ci fu. E' finito! Li
> commemoriamo, il resto è un mito! l'hanno confermato ieri giù al
> partito, chi lo afferma è un qualunquista cane!
> Cos'è un lager? E' una cosa sporca, cosa dei padroni, cosa vergognosa di
> certe nazioni, noi ammazziamo solo per motivi buoni... quando sono
> buoni? Sta a noi giudicare!
> Cos'è un lager? E' una fede certa e salverà la gente, l' utopia che un
> giorno si farà presente millenaria idea, gran purga d' occidente, chi si
> oppone è un giuda e lo dovrai schiacciare!"
caro RIcard, il cafone che ti sta rispondendo è stato iscritto per
diversi anni al PCI, il sottoscritto mai, ergo sulle stronzate che
scrive ci ha preso la tessera e crede di espiare le colpe passate
attribuendo ad altri i suoi errori. Il tipico zelo del rinnegato, che
evidentemente non ha ancora fatto pace col suo passato e non l'ha
saputo inquadrare come un episodio, più o meno fortunato, della sua
vita, ma come qualcosa che ripudia integralmente. Insomma, un esempio
perfetto di self-hating
Shylock
> On 2 Gen, 09:23, ricard <rper...@yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> > Caro imbecille, chi si mette in tasca i profitti? ....Chavez
>
> saprai citarmi con comodo la legge dello stato venezuelano che impone
> di versare i profitti della PDVSA sul conto di CHavez, vero?
E' la stessa legge che imponeva di versare gli aiuti internazionali ai
palestinesi sul conto di Arafat.
Come dici, non c'era una legge? Beh, poco male per la famiglia Arafat,
i soldi ci sono arrivati lo stesso su quel conto :-P