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Joseph Langevin

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Aug 25, 2010, 8:42:13 PM8/25/10
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Dear Pratyatosha Prabhu
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Please accept my pranams
 
Enclosed is an article about Jayadvaita's book changes. Feel free to post it on your website.
 
Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service
 
Yasodo nandana dasa
 


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Jayadvaita Swami

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Aug 27, 2010, 2:06:32 PM8/27/10
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Yasodanandana Prabhu--

Obeisances.

You're entirely right about the impossible sequence. Obviously,
there's no way a letter to Radha-vallabha in September 76 could have
been a reply to a conversation in June 77. My mistake.

The conversation led, rather, to an exchange of letters between
Ramesvara Swami and Tamal Krishna Goswami. Though obviously not on the
same level as a letter from Srila Prabhupada, these do have historical
interest. I'll gather and post them when I can.

I hope all's well on your side.

Your servant,
Jayadvaita Swami

tim lee

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Aug 27, 2010, 2:44:25 PM8/27/10
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Dear Jayadvaita, the real problem is that we cannot accept your over 200
something messiahs -- who are constantly, according to your own program, mostly
engaging in illicit sex with men, women and children, since most of your gurus
has fallen down since 1977. And now Param Gati and Umapati are censured for
homosexuality, and as we posted on our blog, you guys covered that up for ten
years or more. So every time we turn around, another one of your messiahs is
falling down, and of course people are offering bhogha to your messiahs who are
usually (because most of them fell) engaged in illicit sex, when Srila
Prabhupada said we canot even offer bhogha to the demigods. According to your
plan: offering bhogha to illicit sex is superior to offering to the demigods.
Why do you think worship of illiciit sex is superior to worship of the demigods?
So you have changed everything, the book changes are merely one example.
Unfortunately, that means we are having to now work with some new Hindu friends
in India to help us expose your worship of illicit sex as superior to the
demigods project, we have had to tell them that you think your child sex worship
project is superior to worship of the gods of India, and needless to say, they
are appaled at you people. Here is my latest report on your illicit sex messiahs
program:   
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fFCvtg1L0

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Makhanchor

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Aug 28, 2010, 12:55:07 PM8/28/10
to Prabhupadanuga
Yasodanandana Prabhu,

Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

This is very well written. Concise and to the point. For those who
are computer illiterate and may have missed it in attachment form I
will cut and paste it:

"Jayadvaita’s Grammatical Embellishment program- Truth or Deception?
By Yasoda nandana dasa, Los Angeles, California, August 24

According to Jayadvaita Swami’s own convenient interpretation in the
Sampradaya Sun on August 22, 2010:
“…In the mid 1970s I extensively revised the first canto, especially
the first two chapters. Srila Prabhupada explicitly approved of this
work, and the revised version was published in 1976…… In 1976 I also
lightly revised the second canto, already edited by Hayagriva Prabhu
and published. After the "Rascal Editors" conversation, Radha-vallabha
Dasa, then the BBT production manager, sent Srila Prabhupada samples
of my second-canto editing, and this is what led to Srila Prabhupada's
statement, in a letter dated September 7, 1976, "Concerning the
editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is approved by me. I
have confidence in him." The revised second canto was also published
before Srila Prabhupada's departure...”
Accuracy does seem to occur in his revised edited dictionary. The
“rascal editors” conversation occured on June 22, 1977. But
Jayadvaita claims that after this date [June 22, 1977] “Radha vallabha
….sent Srila Prabhupada samples of my second-canto editing”
Subsequent to this event the Grammatical Embelishment Acarya [JAS] now
reveals that this led to the following “this is what led to Srila
Prabhupada's statement, in a letter dated September 7, 1976,
"Concerning the editing of Jayadvaita Prabhu, whatever he does is
approved by me. I have confidence in him."
1) So how does the event on June 22, 1977 in Srila Prabhupada’s garden
in Vrindavana, India leads to a letter from Srila Prabhupada dated
September 7, 1976?

2) On June 22, 1977, Srila Prabhupada stated: Srila Prabhupāda: So
you bring this to Satsvarūpa. They cannot change anything…. Srila
Prabhupāda: So you... What you are going... It is very serious
situation. You write one letter that "Why you have made so many
changes?" And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there.
Write to Satsvarūpa that "This is the position. They are doing
anything and everything at their whim." The next printing should be
again to the original way. [underline is mine].

3) So far the Grammatical Embellishment acarya [Jas] has not been able
to provide any verifiable credible evidence that Srila Prabhupada has
ever given an order or instruction to go back to His manuscripts and
re-write and change His books. Where is the evidence for his
outlandish claim that he can change Srila Prabhupada’s books?

4) Srila Prabhupada clearly says in the June 22, 1977 conversation
that the “next printing should be again the original way” Has the
Grammatical Embellishment acarya followed this directive of Srila
Prabhupada? Has he complied with this directive of the acarya, Srila
Prabhupada? Has he made sure that the next printing of the books,
which had been unauthorizedly revised during Srila Prabhupada’s
manifested presence, such as Teachings of Lord Caitanya, Nectar of
Devotion, Krishna Book, Isopanisad, the first four cantos of the
Srimad-Bhagavatam should be “again the original way”?

5) Not only has the Grammatical Embellishment Editor not complied with
this order of Srila Prabhupada, but he now actively campaigns,
harasses and threatens those who follow this directive of Srila
Prabhupada and distribute the books which have been reprinted “the
original way“ by KBI!

6) Jayadvaita’s claim: “In the mid 1970s I extensively revised the
first canto, especially the first two chapters. Srila Prabhupada
explicitly approved of this work, and the revised version was
published in 1976.”

7) Now let us follow Jayadvaita’s ruse and claim that his 1976 edition
of the First canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam had been approved by Srila
Prabhupada. The “rascal editors” conversation states”

Srila Prabhupada: That... Find this verse, munayah sādhu prsto
'ham... [SB 1.2.5].
Tamāla Krsna: There's no index. It's not a new Bhāgavatam. There's no
index in this Bhāgavatam. Munayah sādhu...? "The Effects of Kali-yuga"
chapter? Is that the verse, about the effects of Kali-yuga? No.
(background talking, looking for verse)

munayah sādhu prsto 'ham
bhavadbhir loka-maṅgalam
yat kṛtah krsna-sampraśno
yenātmā suprasīdati
munayah—of the sages; sādhu—this is relevant; prstah—questioned;
aham..."
Srila Prabhupāda; No? What is that? Sādhu? What is that? Munayah
Tamal Krsna; Says, "sādhu—this is relevant."
Srila Prabhupāda: Relevant?
Tamal Krsna: That's what it's translated as, "this is relevant." May
be a mistake
Devotee: It's a mistake.
Srila Prabhupada: Munayah
Tamala Krsna: "Munayaḥ—of the sages; sādhu—this is relevant.
Srila Prabhupada: The nonsense, they are... They are correcting my
trans... Rascal. Who has done this? Munayaḥ is addressing all these
munis.

8) Now in Jayadvaita’s revised embellished Bhagavatam edition, as
shown on his BBTI website as of August 24, 2010, we find the
following:
http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/2/5/en

Munayah- O sages; sādhu — this is relevant; pṛṣṭaḥ — questioned;
aham — myself; bhavadbhiḥ — by all of you; loka — the world; mańgalam
— welfare; yat — because; kṛtaḥ — made; kṛṣṇa — the Personality
of Godhead; sampraśnaḥ — relevant question; yena — by which; ātmā —
self; suprasīdati — completely pleased. (SB 1.2.5)

Here we find the same mistake which Srila Prabhupada had criticized
and disapproved of on June 22, 1977, wherein the word sadhu was
translated as “this is relevant”. This shows that Srila Prabhupada
did not approve of that version of the first canto which Jayadvaita
claims he had just edited and sent to Srila Prabhupada for his
approval. Srila Prabhupada did not approve that version which was
being read in his garden. He requested that the books, including that
1976 unauthorized revised edition, be returned the original way, i.
e., the first edition.

Srila Prabhupada specifically disapproved of the 1976 Srimad-
Bhagavatam edition and its unauthorized changes which had just been
read in His presence. He criticized and disapproved it as of June 22,
1977.

Conclusion: Unless the Grammatical Embellishment acarya can provide
verifiable credible evidence from Srila Prabhupada, specifically after
June 22, 1977, which would clearly show that Srila Prabhupada
specifically and directly instructed him and /or any editor to go to
His original manuscripts and revise and change His books, then the
revisions and so-called “revised and improved” editions remain
unauthorized? Where is his evidence from Srila Prabhupada and his
authority to change the acharya’s original books?

Srila Prabhupada on additions and alterations.

“...Guru-mukha-padma-vākya, cittete koriyā aikya . Everyone should do
that. But if he makes addition, alteration, then he is finished. No
addition, alteration. You have to approach guru—guru means the
faithful servant of God, Krsna—and take his word how to serve Him.
Then you are successful. If you concoct, "I am very intelligent than
my guru, and I can make addition or alteration," then you are
finished. So that is the only. And now, sing further…" Srimad-
Bhagavatam Lectures, Canto 6: Lectures : SB 6.1: Lectures : Srimad-
Bhagavatam 6.1.26-27 - Philadelphia, July 12, 1975

The result of alterations and additions: finished.

"… Therefore we present Bhagavad-Gita As it is, no addition, no
alteration. The same thing, AS SOON AS THERE IS ADDITION, ALTERATION,
IT IS GONE, FINISHED..."
Srila Prabhupada’s lecture, July 2, 1974, Melbourne, Australia

“… It is not our business to amend the words of the Supreme
Personality of Godhead or make additions and alterations. as it has
now become a custom for many so-called scholars and Swamis who comment
on the words of Bhagavad-Gita..."
Srila Prabhupada’s lecture July 2, 1974, Melbourne, Australia

Srila Prabhupada on changing.

“…The process of disciplic succession: from Krsna, Brahma, from
Brahma, Narada, from Narada, Vyasa; from Vyasa, Madhva; from Madhva,
Madhavendra Puri; Isvara Puri; from Isvara Puri; Lord Caitanya. Sa
evam parampara. So in the parampara system, in that disciplic
succession, you will find no change. The original word is there. That
is the thing. They are not foolish to manufacture something new. What
new? People are after something new manufactured by this tiny brain.
What new can you manufacture? That is all nonsense. If you want real
thing, then you have to take the old, the oldest. You cannot change
anything…"
Srila Prabhupada’s lecture- December 1, 1966, New York, NY, USA

Dr. Patel: “…and now we are to define who is a rascal."
Srila Prabhupada: "No, rascal is meant, who has no authority. They are
changing every day. They are changing. We don't change. These rascals
are changing. We... Over five thousand years ago Sukadeva Goswarni
said that, As I have heard it I am explaining.' That means time
immemorial, the thing is, same thing is coming. There is no change,
not that after a few days, , No, no. It was wrong. This is now right.
‘Again somebody comes
Dr. Patel: "They are explaining the truth in their own way. That is
the change of theory. But the truth is always the same."
Srila Prabhupada: "That is the truth of rascaldom, as soon as you
change your position"
Conversation with Srila Prabhupada November 17, 1975 Bombay, India

http://krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com/tradition.html
"

Thank you for this,

Makhanachora das

On Aug 25, 5:42 pm, Joseph Langevin <yasoda1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Pratyatosha Prabhu
> All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> Please accept my pranams
>  
> Enclosed is an article about Jayadvaita's book changes. Feel free to post it on your website.
>  
> Yours in Srila Prabhupada's service
>  
> Yasodo nandana dasa
>  
>
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> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 3:08 PM
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> Joseph Y. Langevin
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> Munayah- O sages; sādhu — this is relevant; pṛṣṭaḥ — questioned;
> aham — myself; bhavadbhiḥ — by all of you; loka — the world; mańgalam
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