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Stathis Kanterakis  
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 More options Sep 17 2012, 9:30 am
From: Stathis Kanterakis <skantera...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:29:49 +0100
Local: Mon, Sep 17 2012 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [ISAforum] Numerical vs Categorical data

Hi Philippe,
You are right, the configuration is stored in the investigation file but as
I mentioned before, there is no way to know which of the xml files in that
configuration was used to define fields in a given ISA.
I guess the best way is then to check for a "Unit" column next to a factor,
as you mentioned.

Kind regards,
Stathis

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Philippe <proccase...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stathis, Timmo,

> It could be done indeed by looking up column headers in the
> ISAconfiguration that was used to save the file.

> ISAcreator now saves the configuration information used to create and
> last save an ISA archive so you should be able to obtain all the
> necessary information.
> ...
> Investigation Public Release Date       ""
> Comment [Created with configuration]    ""
> Comment [Last Opened With Configuration]
>  "isaconfig-default_v2011-02-18
> copy"
> ...

> As Eamonn replied, if the field datatype is of List type or Ontology
> Entry type, you are dealing with categorical values while finding
> integer or double indicates numerical data.

> One thing to be aware is that users can add and define additional fields
> beyond those declared in any given ISAconfiguration.
> In this situation, it means ISAcreator has been used to create new
> fields. Those can either be 'qualitative' or 'quantitative'. If the
> latter, a Unit fields will be automatically added, immediately to the
> right of the new field.
> This feature can therefore be used as a test to cast columns as
> 'numerical' or 'categorical'.

> Best wishes

> Philippe

> On 17/09/2012 09:35, Stathis Kanterakis wrote:
> > Hi Eamonn and Susanna,
> > Thank you for your replies. This question was actually brought up when
> > Timo asked if it is possible to determine from the column headers
> > whether a column contains numerical or categorical data (for downstream
> > statistical analysis). Perhaps you can get that from the configuration
> > xml file. But there is no link from the investigation file
> > (i_Investigation.txt) back to the configuration file
> > (transcription_micro.xml). So how would one know where to look? Have you
> > had a similar question before?

> > Thanks again.
> > Stathis

> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Eamonn Maguire <eamonn...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:eamonn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> >     When you select integer as the type, a regex will be set for this
> >     field to accept only integers. Same for double but it will allow 0.0
> >     as well as 0. However, it will only highlight the incorrect value in
> >     red on edit. A better way would be to keep the highlighting on
> >     always to show which fields are not valid. This can be added
> >     relatively easily though. If you want this, then add it to the
> >     issues on github as a feature request, and we will see when we can
> >     add it in.

> >     Categorical data can be defined either as a normal string, a list
> >     (where you can define the values within that list) or as an ontology
> >     term.

> >     Hope this answers your question.

> >     Many thanks,

> >     Eamonn

> >     On 13 September 2012 17:00, Susanna-Assunta Sansone
> >     <sa.sans...@gmail.com <mailto:sa.sans...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> >         Hi Stathis,
> >         I guess you refer to the ISAcreator and want to set the allowed
> >         values; if this is the case then the answer is yes, you can set
> >         the allowed values via the ISAconfigurator when creating your
> >         configuration.
> >         Susanna

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> >         On 13/09/2012 16:57, Stathis Kanterakis wrote:

> >             Hello,
> >             Is there a way to define whether a column has numerical or
> >             categorical data?
> >             Do these correspond to "Factor Value" and "Characteristic"
> >             respectively?
> >             Is there a way to guarantee that a column is numerical?
> >             Please excuse me if this is a trivial question or is stated
> >             elsewhere.

> >             Kind regards,
> >             Stathis

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