Caché on Asus Eee
Peter Frost
If so has anyone done it ?
The Asus Eee is a new mini laptop which runs Linux. Nice and compact with a
7inch screen, .5Gb memory, and a 4Gb solid state "disk", plus 3 USBs memory
card reader, and lots of other things built in.
Rob Tweed
I was wondering the same when I saw a review of the Asus. Interesting
and ludicrously cheap machine. I'm not sure, however, whether you can
break out of its GUI to get terminal-interface/root access to Linux on
it (its a Xandros distro). It sounded pretty locked down to me (being
aimed at children and education), but I'm sure someone will soon hack
it anyway!
Its disk storage is limited, but of course there'd be nothing to stop
you running Cache (if it was possible) from a USB-connected hard
drive. Is Cache compatible with Xandros Linux?
Even better, would it run VMWare or something like that? Bet someone
cracks it open soon
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Rob Tweed
M/Gateway Developments Ltd
Rob Tweed
http://ewolf.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/installing-vmware-player-on-the-eeepc/
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:51:52 -0000, "Peter Frost"
<peter...@finobj.com> wrote:
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Rob Tweed
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:51:52 -0000, "Peter Frost"
<peter...@finobj.com> wrote:
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Peter Frost
Interesting to hear that I'm not the only one who's curious about the
possibility of Caché on the Asus Eee.
I had a quick play with one in a shop yesterday evening, and it is quite a
nice little "toy". I didn't find any terminal/root access to Linux while I
was playing, the attentions of an over enthusiastic salesman distracted me
from exploring all of it, so I can't say if it's there or not. The only bit
I didn't like was the "mouse" button which is a single rocker type button
that performs both right and left click depending on which end you press.
They do seem to be selling well, and outlets that have any stock left appear
to be few and far between.
There are versions with more disk space on the way, and they can also be
persuaded to run XP (but I think that might be rather defeating the object)
I'll be watching with interest what people manage to do with them while I
think up a few more reasons why I ought to buy one!
Peter
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Mike Minor
but then again, I haven't been looking since I never heard of it before this
posting.
Mike Minor
Z-Code Systems, Inc,
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Rob Tweed
It is apparently also available in the US:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/cheap-asus-eee-linux-laptop-now-on-sale-in-the-states-317099.php
http://gadtechpoint.blogspot.com/2007/10/asus-eee-pc-has-already-entered-market.html
Amazon.com (ie in the USA) says they won't have them till the 24th
December though. I'd guess this is due to demand as the above
articles suggest it was launched last month.
Certainly looks like a kind of interesting device
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Tony
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/11/06/eee-pc-tips-a-crash-course-in-linux/
"...several applications that were hidden in easy mode, including an
RSS reader, remote desktop client, and the Synaptic Package Manager,
which makes installing new programs a whole lot easier."
also found this "Fortunately, Linux has rdesktop utility. It is a
client for remote desktop protocol (RDP), used in a number of
Microsoft products including Windows NT Terminal Server, Windows 2000
Server, Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server. You do not need to install
VNC server. All you need is rdesktop client on Linux or BSD
workstation."
Adam Lees
very specific hint dropping to the wife!). In fact it was this thread
which brought them to my attention although getting Caché running on
it wasn't the main reason for getting one! However it would be an
interesting exercise.
A few words about the machine. The OS is far from locked down; the
customised Xandros installation is designed to be easy to use and to
hide dangerous config items from the naive user, but the terminal
prompt is a CTRL-ALT-T keystroke away. From there it's a couple of
sudo commands to enable the very windows-like "advanced desktop".
Doing this allows you to switch back into easy mode whenever you
like. From the advanced mode however the GUI package manager
"synaptic" is a click away and it's a piece of cake to install many
apps. Now Asus have released the source of the Xandros install some
people are working on enabling all the hardware specific features in
other distros like ubuntu.
Hardware wise it's a 900MHz processor but actually runs at 630 because
Asus ship it with the FSB underclocked to 70MHz, probably to preserve
battery life. It seems plenty of people on the eeeuser.com forums
have clocked them back to 900, either to run games or more likely just
for the hell of it. The only feature compromises between this and a
fully functional mini laptop is the SSD instead of a HDD and the
lowish screen res of 800x480; a great trade-off for an UMPC for a
fraction of the price.
Tony
the following article may be of some interest. /Tony
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/02/14/fedora-eee-pc-eeedora/
EeeDora is a version of Fedora modified specifically for the Eee PC -
created and maintained by Martin Andrews. It is a great solution,
especially if you're used to working with Red Hat, Cent OS, or Fedora
instead of using Debian based distributions like Ubuntu.
Rob Tweed
They're still sold out here in the UK with a minumum 3-4 weeks wait if
you order one, and no sign of any improvement. Seems there's big
sourcing problems for some of the components needed by Asus.
StayPuft
> Has anyone managed to get their hands on one of these devices?
> They're still sold out here in the UK with a minumum 3-4 weeks wait if
> you order one, and no sign of any improvement. Seems there's big
> sourcing problems for some of the components needed by Asus.
>
Hi Rob,
I live in the US but I picked one up via mail order from www.newegg.com.
I don't know if they ship worldwide. They are in California and I
live in Georgia (East Coast, just above Florida :-)) and shipping took 3
days.
It is about what it seems to be; small, lightweight, and simple to use.
The Skype beta for Linux seems to work. It boots quickly and shuts
down quickly and is very simple to navigate around. The only
shortcomings for me (which I was aware of when I purchased it) were it
doesn't handle a PC card (PCMCIA) and I haven't gotten the corporate
Cisco based VPN software to work on it. I haven't tried getting the VPN
to work yet either, other folks have gotten it to work but it is a *nixy
process from what I read. It is about the size of a paperback book. I
was also surprised by the quality of the camera.
Asus seemed to do things right. They do send a CD with Windows drivers.
I guess they know people will put XP on it. I also picked up more
RAM and added an 8 or 12 GB SD memory card. The Skype beta was
available as an option when I updated the Eee software via the Asus web
site. They have a method to do that online. I thought it was nice that
it was there and I didn't go looking around for it.
If you travel and just really are looking for web access and limited
applications, it is nice. It is light and easy to carry. I have an HP
from work but it generally stays home now. If you want to monkey around
with different OSs, I would recommend an external USB DVD reader.
If you have any specific questions, let me know.
Regards,
Scott Johnson
StayPuft
> Has anyone managed to get their hands on one of these devices?
> They're still sold out here in the UK with a minumum 3-4 weeks wait if
> you order one, and no sign of any improvement. Seems there's big
> sourcing problems for some of the components needed by Asus.
Solaris (SXDE) also runs on it.
http://blogs.sun.com/robsblog/entry/sxde_on_an_asus_eee
Regards,
Scott Johnson
Adam Lees
branch. Some places in UK are still getting them in and they're not
all sold on back order. If you're after one it's worth asking at your
local PC world:
http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=15861
or if you're in London, a shop on Tottenham Court Rd has apparently
just got 100 in: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=16021
Rodolfo
It's basically the same concept as the eeepc.
Thanks,
Rodolfo
On Feb 18, 7:59 pm, StayPuft <tostayp...@SPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> Rob Tweed wrote:
> > Has anyone managed to get their hands on one of these devices?
> > They're still sold out here in the UK with a minumum 3-4 weeks wait if
> > you order one, and no sign of any improvement. Seems there's big
> > sourcing problems for some of the components needed by Asus.
>
Tony
next generation Asus Eee PC 900 model... /Tony
Do you wish your Eee PC had a larger screen? Higher resolution? More
RAM? More storage space? ASUS has your solution with the next
generation Eee PC 900 series. It will feature a 8.9″ screen, running
at 1024 x 600 resolution. You'll be able to store 12GB of data, and
will have 1GB of ram to access in a package a bit larger than the Eee
PC 701. Look for it in select countries later this summer.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/asus-9-inch-eee-pc-now-with-living-pixels/
http://www.eeeuser.com/2008/03/04/next-generation-asus-eee-pc-900/
Rob Tweed
latest posting in the EWD Community Group
(http://groups.google.co.uk/group/enterprise-web-developer-community)
...look for the subject line "EeeWD"
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:41:17 -0700 (PDT), Tony
<tou...@spuddy.mew.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Hi Rob - if you haven't got it yet, you might want to wait for the
>next generation Asus Eee PC 900 model... /Tony
>
>Do you wish your Eee PC had a larger screen? Higher resolution? More
>RAM? More storage space? ASUS has your solution with the next
>generation Eee PC 900 series. It will feature a 8.9? screen, running
>at 1024 x 600 resolution. You'll be able to store 12GB of data, and
>will have 1GB of ram to access in a package a bit larger than the Eee
>PC 701. Look for it in select countries later this summer.
>
>http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/04/asus-9-inch-eee-pc-now-with-living-pixels/
>http://www.eeeuser.com/2008/03/04/next-generation-asus-eee-pc-900/
>
>On Feb 18, 7:23 pm, Rob Tweed <rtw...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Has anyone managed to get their hands on one of these devices?
>> They're still sold out here in the UK with a minumum 3-4 weeks wait if
>> you order one, and no sign of any improvement. Seems there's big
>> sourcing problems for some of the components needed byAsus.
>>
>
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Rob Tweed
M/Gateway Developments Ltd
SlipstreamUSA: April 2, Renaissance Hotel, Orlando
http://www.OutOfTheSlipstream.com
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Rob Tweed
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:51:52 -0000, "Peter Frost"
<peter...@finobj.com> wrote:
>Is it possible to install Caché on the new Asus Eee ?
>
Yep - I just installed 2008.1 on mine. Seems to work so far. It's a
bit of a squeeze fitting it in (though not too bad when you then
delete the installation kit files after it's all installed). I opted
not to install any of the add-on bits and pieces to try to keep the
size down.
I had to comment out a line that was added to the Apache conf file
though:
Action text/csp "/csp/bin/nph-CSPcgi"
Not sure what that's all about.
The system management portal seems to come up OK once you manually
start the CSPnsd.
Not sure yet how I edit routines with Studio from a Windows machine.
I really don't want to open up telnet on the Eee. Anyone got any
ideas or thoughts?
I'd already installed SSH server and Apache2 on the Eee (as part of
the EeeWD build process that I've discussed elsewhere). I'd recommend
getting SSH running as I find it's a lot easier to play around with
the Eee internals from a remote machine using puTTY and WinSCP. Not
sure how the installation would have gone if Apache hadn't been there
already.
BTW I used the lnxrhx86.tar.gz file.
Now to get EWD working against Cache on the Eee......
>If so has anyone done it ?
>
>The Asus Eee is a new mini laptop which runs Linux. Nice and compact with a
>7inch screen, .5Gb memory, and a 4Gb solid state "disk", plus 3 USBs memory
>card reader, and lots of other things built in.
>
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Rob Tweed
environment: I changed the web server port to 57772 in the Cache
Server Manager window and it burst into life.
I still have a problem in the web portal where you can't add/amend
users due to a Javascript error: Firebug says
cspHTttpServerMethod is not defined
which I'll investigate.
Otherwise it seems like I have Cache successfully running in the Eee
:-)
Rob Tweed
up and running. One of the key things is that you have to manually
set all the system startup stuff in the Eee's startup script file
/usr/sbin/services.sh
ccontrol start cache
cd /opt/cspgateway/bin
./CSPnsd
Reboot the Eee. Cache and CSP is all ready for you when the Eee
starts.
The portal comes up and now works perfectly if I use:
http://127.0.0.1/csp/sys/utilHome.csp
I had to tinker round with a few directory and file permissions here
and there, but by and large it all seemed to install and configure
pretty simply. See my previous posting about the line you'll need to
comment out in the Apache conf file, and remember during installation
that the Eee's Apache conf file is /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
So, provided you first install Apache and SSH server, you can have an
Asus Eee that works as a fully-fledged, Linux-based Cache server.
I've even got it running EWD with Cache, compiling to CSP and it works
just great. Pretty cool for a tiny little ultraportable that costs
just 200 pounds!
The one downside is the perennial problem that you can't edit
routines, classes and methods without running Studio on a separate
Windows machine. About time we had a browser-based equivalent of
Studio, then you could use it as a complete development machine.
Matt
alternatively, if someone who really knows what they are doing with
Wine can get studio running through that in a reliable way (ok, not
supported by ISC, but neither is the Eee)
Rob Tweed
http://www.cardbox.com/support/eee/install.htm
and see http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=13495
Could someone provide instructions on how to get Studio working if you
have Wine installed on a Linux machine and I'll give it a go on the
Eee?
Rob
On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT), Matt <Cirr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Rob Tweed
I see from your earlier postings that you seem to have had problems
getting Studio running in Wine on Mac OSX. Doesn't sound too
encouraging for the Eee then! :-(
Getting the Eee to support VMWare or VirtualBox is not straightforward
and not for the faint-hearted (I've decided it's too risky based on
the stuff I've read in the various Eee forums). In any case it would
be something of a squeeze to get it to run both Xandros and a Windows
XP VM. So that avenue isn't really available either for making an
Eee a complete Cache development platform.
Rob
On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT), Matt <Cirr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
Adam Lees
Eee!)
I installed the Debian Etch version according to instructions here
http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb
This installed version 0.9.58.
I then ran the installer for Cache for windows 2007.1.420, choosing
only the client installation.
I had a problem with disk space (it's a 2Gb Eee image and after Wine
there wasn't enough space for the Caché client!) so I had to remove a
few unneeded bits like Skype.
Once there was space the installation ran through; it gave a few error
dialogs relating to DLLs but completed successfully. I can't remember
the messages it came up with. A blank icon which should have been the
Caché cube appeared in the Eee's system tray. The icon was blank but
functioned properly. After putting in the details of a Caché server
on the network into Preferred Servers I fired up Studio and used it to
load, edit and compile a class. In spite of the errors this seemed to
work perfectly. The only problem I encountered was I wanted to reduce
the font size because of the very restricted screen space. However
Studio would not run the Tools|Options screen, it crashed out with a
"Mini Dump" in which some mention was made of MFC80.dll. This may be
solvable by a different version of the DLL.
Wine creates a directory /home/user/.wine/drive_c under which it puts
all the files to manage the faux windows environment. The Caché
installer puts all its files under the drive_c directory, and puts a
shortcut to the Caché cube (csystray.exe) into the start menu
folder. Studio is normally called from the Cube but I deleted the
start menu shortcut and launched the cube by
wine C:\\Cache2007\\bin\csystray.exe CACHE2007
The cube is not the best way to run Caché tools from a Linux
environment so I would just use it to set up servers and then use Wine
to run cstudio.exe directly.
Matt
saying it needs someone who knows more about it than I do and with the
time to do it - I have spent as much time as I am willing to, given I
have a fallback of using a VM with XP.
For the Eee, Wine is the only sensible option availabke today,
providing the issues I had can be accepted / overcome.
2 of the 3 problems are irritating and can be lived with of worked
round. These are tools/options not working - you can edit the register
directly if needed, and not being able to support browser plugin
windows within studio - Other than Ensemble for BPL editing, this is
not a real problem.
My show stopper is with what is happening with some key combinations
(<shift>+cursor) which I use all the time. I suspect that this is not
a general Wine issue but local to me as such a common key combination
for developers to fail would have been fixed long ago !
On May 27, 8:07 pm, Rob Tweed <rtw...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Matt
>
> I see from your earlier postings that you seem to have had problems
> getting Studio running in Wine on Mac OSX. Doesn't sound too
> encouraging for the Eee then! :-(
>
> Getting the Eee to support VMWare or VirtualBox is not straightforward
> and not for the faint-hearted (I've decided it's too risky based on
> the stuff I've read in the various Eee forums). In any case it would
> be something of a squeeze to get it to run both Xandros and a Windows
> XP VM. So that avenue isn't really available either for making an
> Eee a complete Cache development platform.
>
> Rob
>