From: Christopher | VoteCAP 2012 <christopher.por...@canadianactionparty.ca>
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 08:19:23 -0700
Local: Thurs, Apr 19 2012 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [Occupy & WSF discussion] Re: [Intercity Canada:1291] Union funds are determined by democratic vote
Representative is handing the power of the decision to one individual which under our current system votes based on his party's whip direction. A structure that makes the rep accountable for ALL the people I believe is what we are fighting for I am working on a concept
On 2012-04-18, at 21:38, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.brastavice...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, in a post below you are still talking about a representative democracy. Isn't the SYSTEM we're fighting? I hope we all agree that we're NOT fighting people. These bad figures we point our finger to are only products of a system that has built-in incentives to screw other people. So if we all agree on that, we should then CHANGE THE SYSTEM.
> Now... representative democracy doesn't seam to work... even if you have local GA's giving "marching orders" to elected individuals, these individuals are still representing the rest of us, AND they have A LOT of room to maneuver.
> Why aren't we talking about direct democracy or even liquid democracy?
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alan Blanes <alanbla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> Just one point about campaign funding. I believe you should be able to accept corporate money but to make it clear (maybe on your website) that money from corporations will in no way sway your resolve and that it will be taken PURELY as a donation and not as any form of leverage.
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Christopher | Vote CAP <christopher.por...@canadianactionparty.ca> wrote:
>> On 2012-04-17, at 10:00 PM, Andrew Crook <acr...@me.com> wrote:
>>> I'll take a shot at that Alan,
>>> Public banks are essential in my opinion. That being said, I wouldn't want it to be "Big Government Public Bank". I'd much rather see decentralized credit unions set up by local municipalities, owned by the citizens. I agree with your sentiment that restoring the rule of law is very important, both regulators and the regulated require far greater transparency and accountability for their actions.
>>> In regards to other issues (I think they are all linked), I would like to see an emphasis on building an "Occupy Coalition". This being a generic platform/brand any person of any political persuasion/party could run on. Basically we build a level above "parties".
>>> The 3 basic components of the coalition platform would be
>>> This will give us a chance to co-op existing political parties without attacking the existing system. A main focus in the beginning could be municipal elections (easy wins), where political parties have very weak control over the pup... er, politicians.
>>> Then when people are engaged we can build momentum to take provincial/state and federal seats.
>>> We occupy our government with people who take their marching orders from their weekly GAs not their corporate sponsors. This is about true community engagement in the politics that govern due to our consent. Not representation, more like agency.
>>> Power to the people and all that!
>>> I don't have a comment on the other stuff you said.
>>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 05:45 PM, Alan Blanes <alanbla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> Dear Occupy London -
>>>> I have found that Christopher is one of the very few people who has ran for federal office who is willing to be candid in his support for the above objectives. Could you give me any examples of the Anarchist approach to dealing with fidelity to honest business practices as applied to the financial sector, and the right of people to be able to access non-profit public interest based publicly owned banking?
>>>> Your reply is appreciated,
>>>> On 2012-04-17, at 12:45 PM, Occupy London, Ontario wrote:
>>>>> Occupy is anarchistic. Don't like it? Well, ask yourself, what do you really know about anarchism. Because my guess is, probably not much, from some of the comments I've seen here....
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Christopher | VoteCAP 2012 <christopher.por...@canadianactionparty.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-04-14, at 13:06, Alan Blanes <alanbla...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Christopher -
>>>>>> Pehaps we could put this on the Intercity mumble teleconference agenda for the next discussion - which is certainly due in the near future.
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> "Perhaps this can best be handled by using each of our own talents to their best use, and going forward under the banner of altruism' great words!
>>>>>>> So when can we get Occupy Canada to back a return to the Bank of Canada. http://bit.ly/BOCcourtchallenge This is an independent CDN Monetary Reform group taking on the Government for them not using the Bank of Canada to use Government Created Money instead of the continuous use of debt Bank Created Money. This is the solution for Canada and we need CDNs to adapt it. Occupy could be the movement of this already powerful court case under way. Politically we have been saying this politicially since the Party's formation in 1997. Well before 2008 meltdown brought upon by debt by Bank Created Money.
>>>>>>> I would be happy to supply a speaker for any group that wants to have this presented to them. I only ask the opportunity to present the case.... the Assembly can accept on their own with complete consensus. That I guarantee.
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Mysafehome Canada <mysafehom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I advocate for wearing what ever colour you are proud to wear, and through altruistic effort, I'll support decolonization, internetocracy, and ♥.
>>>>>>> Thanks for your Participation
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