All that I agree with. Good discussion. Pressure from all sides will create a new parallel system that is not based on oppression. The rest will follow whether it not that system is crests within the electoral confines or outside of it.
On 2012-03-27, at 10:55, Nikolaos Gr <grysp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where exactly did you see the call to destroy the system? This is the
> bipolar mentality that the system has instilled in the majority of the
> population for decades now. Recognising that capitalism is destructive
> does not mean that I call to destroy it. What I am saying is that only
> by creating another parallel system that sets different goals for
> society can actually save us.
> As for the 17 flavours of capitalism, if you look around the western
> He was talking about the oppression of the weak. As long as there is
> On 27 March 2012 10:04, Christopher | VoteCAP 2012
>> Ps there are 17 flavours out there in Canada and people keep choosing the main three with a dash of a forth.
>> A stein consortium of a fifth that has legal and moral controls in it targeted to the 40% not voting and getting the involved would change the system.
>> On 2012-03-27, at 9:51, Nikolaos Gr <grysp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 60% voted in the last elections as opposed to 59% in the previous ones. The participation has nothing to do with the robo calls. Participation has been dropping consistently in the whole western world for the past 20 years. THe reason is simple: People realise more and more that choosing between different flavours of the same system makes no difference. We are called to chose if we want to have a destructive capitalism with a pleasant face or with a grim face.
>> Capitalism does not cut it anymore; whether that's with a social democratic face or with a neoliberal face. The solutions you're describing have worked before in an extremely different environment under very different circumstances. Corporations and money have unprecedented power and under the current system where profit (using any means) is the main target of society, nothing can change. We have to redefine our goals as a society. Asking capitalism to be humane reminds me of some gay activists who are asking the christian church to accept them. This is against the nature and the dogmas of the institution. If you don't like them then just reject them and make a new one but don't ask the lions to become vegetarian.
>> On 27 March 2012 09:27, Christopher | VoteCAP 2012 <christopher.por...@canadianactionparty.ca> wrote:
>>> It is ironic that solutions that worked on the past are viewed as utopia. I completely understand what you are saying and just having a passing thought.
>>> This civilization started to horde and now feeling the crunch of what that means. Scarcity brings anger and greed.
>>> People need to take back the control of the money. I believe the issue is that institutions are controlling its utilization. When I talk about Government Crested Money , I Mean Government in its' pure form By the people for the people. The only way to achieve that is for electoral reform in Canada that empowers people to once again vote and to have their vote guaranteed. Instant recall, more particiapation on decisions made by government, etc. we all can fill in the blanks.
>>> From electoral reform we can get back to monetary reform.
>>> I just finished an election where only 43% of the population voted. Reason why.... Robo call scandal arose At the start of it and ended the day of the vote.
>>> 43% of a riding deciding who will lead them all. It makes you sick how few participate. So we need people to get political and change within the system that we control right now.
>>> All talk of cresting a new one, like a Phoenix from the ashes is wasteful of the precious time we have to hand this to the high schoolers not yet in debt.
>>> On 2012-03-27, at 8:24, Nikolaos Gr <grysp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I completely agree with you Christopher, but let us not think that such a move would be a panacea. This could be a good first goal to achieve, even if I believe that it is more utopic than asking to overthrow the system completely. Private ownership of credit and debt is the founding stone of the current system and without it it cannot survive.
>>> On 26 March 2012 14:23, Christopher Porter <christopher.por...@canadianactionparty.ca> wrote:
>>>> I would look more into CAP policies.
>>>> Bank of Canada is owned by Canadians. We used it to create Government Created Money until 1974. Built a lot of infrastructure that we all benefit now.
>>>> After 1974 Government started "borrowing" Bank Created Money that has interest attached to it.
>>>> A reversion to the Bank of Canada for Government Expenditures is in our Nationalist Interest and is the cornerstone for CDN Economical Sovereignty.
>>>> Either that or continue to pay the 170 million dollars of interest a day CDN's pay to private banking institutions to use their Debt Created Money.
>>>> Once again offer to have somebody present this to your group and you can decide.
>>>> Leave you with Prime Minister William Lyon McKenzie King's words who Nationalized our Bank of Canada which EVERY Government has ignored since 1974. This is why CAP was formed in 1997.
>>>> "Once a nation parts with the control of its currency and credit,
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:10 PM, ooHugh <hughgoldr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> In summary,
>>>>> 1) Please don't black bait. It's divisive. The Canadian Occupy
>>>>> 2) In a larger sense, unless you are explicitly a pacifist you should
>>>>> 3) If:
>>>>> Congratulations, you are organizing inside an anarchist framework.
>>>>> 4) Not much left to reply to about 'banking honesty' and 'corporate
>>>>> Sorry if this is a bit cranky, all. I am peeved Mulcair won AND
>>>>> In solidarity from Occupy Ottawa,
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2:12 pm, Christopher Porter
>>>>>> So the whole purpose of Occupy is to promote Anarchy in its true message?
>>>>>> And corporate responsibility and banking honesty is secondary?
>>>>>> I think that you have to go back to the first wide range of the Occupy
>>>>>> I would be interested to hear other's opinions on the intention of Occupy.
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Occupy Kingston
>>>>>>> Anarchism isnt violence.
>>>>>>> The Occupy Movement is inherently anarchist.
>>>>>>> Black Bloc is a protest tactic used to defend protesters from police
>>>>>>> The property damage aspect (property damage is NOT violence. Violence
>>>>>>> corporate responsibility and banking honesty were the trigger for
>>>>>>> -Matt Thornton, Occupy Kingston
>>>>>>> On Mar 23, 12:43 pm, Christopher Porter
>>>>>>>> It is why I started White Bloc... WEAR WHITE and stand up to peaceful
>>>>>>>> Follow on Twitter and message @WhiteBloc to let us know when your rallies
>>>>>>>> Http://twitter.com/WhiteBloc - The Original WHITE BLOC. WEAR WHITE and
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