Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Sharing some pictures I guess is Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm.  ( or just Lobelia seguinii H. Lev. & Vaniot ) shot at Chandragiri Hill Kathmandu Nepal

on 19 September 2016 at 8200 ft.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes as per WCSP. 

Lobelia seguinii H.Lév. & Vaniot is a different accepted species as per WCSP.

I think your plant appears to be Lobelia nicotianifolia, which is a highly variable species as per images herein.

You can also see the comparative images in efi at ‎Lobelia

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Mr. Garg,

I guess it matches more with Lobelia seguinii var. doniana rather than  Lobelia nicotianaefolia as per leaves flower etc.

I think the  pictures added here matches with  Lobelia nicotianaefolia shot at Nagarkot Nepal on 2 March, 2014 at 6000 ft.

https://www.google.com.np/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Ffarm8.staticflickr.com%2F7163%2F6419820741_1ab5173b25_b.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpicssr.com%2Fphotos%2F43793124%40N05%2Ffavorites%2Fpage8&docid=Gzvjy6pL_2Os2M&tbnid=XpTQY6nHKY4PvM%3A&w=1024&h=683&bih=425&biw=911&ved=0ahUKEwjpq8mT17TPAhXDPo8KHfXxBsYQMwgcKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E.Wimm. is a syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth in J.J.Roemer & J.A.Schultes as per WCSP

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess same ID !

Location:  Nagarkot, Nepal  

Date: 2 April 2018

Altitude: 6800 ft.

Habit: Wild

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Saroj ji. 

[J.M. Garg]

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From: Dipankar Borah <dipankar...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue 10 Apr, 2018, 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:292190] Re: Lobelia seguinii var. doniana (Skottsb.) E. Wimm. ??
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Please forward some habit images as well as the basal leaves.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

How do we differentiate between Lobelia pyramidalis Wall. , pink flowers,  ( https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwii8bn39b77AhW-0HMBHZh8B58QFnoECAwQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FPyramid%2520Lobelia.html&usg=AOvVaw3UEmJlX6zsyZFRfRqgeTgW) and    Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth, white flowers,  (https://www.google.com/urlsa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwibouqh9r77AhWxSHwKHciHARwQFnoECBEQAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flowersofindia.net%2Fcatalog%2Fslides%2FWild%2520Tobacco.html&usg=AOvVaw0s-2dUcpFG5I1nLUPlBRXW )  ???

Do you think there are two sp. (pink and white flowers) in this link ?

Thank you Mr. Garg !

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Pl. check keys in Flora of China and FOC illustration one (Lobelia seguinii H. Léveillé & Vaniot) and two (Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich).

Pl. also pursue detailed descriptions.

I feel it (original post) may be of Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich due to 'Racemes terminal, paniculate; flowers dense, oriented toward one side'

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[J.M. Garg]

Here are the differences as per detailed descriptions from Flora of China:

	Lobelia doniana Skottsberg (syn. of Lobelia nicotianifolia Roth as per POWO) Herbs, perennial, 0.3-2.4 m tall. Stems erect, up to 1.5 cm in diam., branched above, glabrous or variously shortly pubescent above. Cauline leaves alternate, at least lower ones petiolate; petiole cuneate-winged, up to 3 cm; blade elliptic to linear-elliptic, 6-33 × 1-6 cm, abaxially sparsely hispidulous, adaxially glabrous or sparsely minutely pubescent, base cuneate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate. Racemes terminal, paniculate; lower bracts leaflike, gradually smaller up stems; pedicels 3-15 mm, usually bibracteolate, densely hispidulous. Hypanthium campanulate, oblong, or obconic, scaberulose; calyx lobes linear or linear-triangular, 7-22 mm, with (1-)4-7 teeth on each side. Corolla bilabiate, purple, purple-red, rose-purple, or blue-purple, 20-31 mm, outside scaberulose below, inside villous; upper 2 lobes linear, slightly longer than lower 3. Filaments connate above base, filament tube glabrous or sparsely shortly pubescent; anther tube glabrous or white hirsute only at base; lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule oblong or ellipsoid, 8-16 × 4-9 mm. Seeds ellipsoid, finely striate. Fl. and fr. Sep-Nov. Grassy slopes, forest margins, glades; (800-)1400-3200 m. Xizang (Nyalam), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal].	Lobelia pyramidalis Wallich Herbs, shrubby, 0.4-3 m tall. Stems glabrous. Leaves alternate, subleathery, sessile or shortly petiolate; basal leaves spatulate; lower ones oblong, up to 25 cm; middle and upper ones narrowly elliptic or narrowly oblong, 12-31 × 1-4 cm, both surfaces glabrous, base attenuate, margin serrulate, apex acuminate. Racemes terminal, paniculate; flowers dense, oriented toward one side. Pedicels 0.6-2.4 cm, arched, bibracteolate or sometimes ebracteolate; bracts linear, often shorter than flowers, entire. Hypanthium campanulate or broadly ellipsoid (rarely obconic), length slightly greater than width, 2-4 × 2-4 mm, glabrous; calyx lobes subulate or linear-triangular, 8-16 × 1-1.8 mm, margin entire. Corolla white, rose, or bluish, 1.1-2.1 cm, outside glabrous, inside tube densely villous, nearly 2-lipped; lobes of upper lip linear, ca. 2/3 as long as total length of corolla; those of lower lip elliptic or lanceolate, ca. 1/3 as long as total length of corolla. Stamens connate into tube above base; filament tube glabrous; anther tube ca. 5 mm, densely villous along sutures, lower 2 anthers barbate at top. Capsule subglobose, oblate, or broadly ovoid, 3.5-6.5 mm in diam., glabrous, often pendulous. Seeds elliptic, obviously compressed, margin pale in color. Fl. Jan-May. Grassy slopes, scrub, roadsides; 1200-2500 m. W Guangxi, SW Guizhou, Xizang (?Lhasa), Yunnan [Bhutan, N India, N Myanmar, Nepal, N Thailand].

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