210311-PR-1 To ID-Chennai

[Padmini Raghavan]

Please help me id this tree in a park at Chennai which had only these seeds on it and no flowers.

 

(The seed capsules reminded me of those of Berrya cordifolia.)

Thanks,

Padmini Raghavan.

[Rashida Atthar]

Guessing it to be perhaps  Holoptelea integrifolia Planch

 

Please also note:  If one checks the Kew plant list it is mentioned as an  unresolved name.

 

regards,

Rashida.  

[Pardeshi S.]

Holoptlia integrifolia has one seeded fruit.
the fruit is resembling Berrya cordifoia (the wings) and tat of
Kleinhoevia hospita.

satish pardeshi

On Mar 21, 1:25 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Guessing it to be perhaps  Holoptelea integrifolia Planch
>
> Please also note:  If one checks the Kew plant list it is mentioned as an
>  unresolved name.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>

[Rashida Atthar]

Pardeshi ji,  Kleinhovia can be ruled out because Kleinhovia leaves are cordate and very different from the one in the pictures, even the fruit is five winged.

 

regards,

Rashida. 

[Mahadeswara]

The tree looks like Berrya cordifolia. The foliage is not clear.
Hence I cannot confirm. You may please visit Gandhinagar 3rd Main
Road almost near the Padmanabha temple. There is a row of
B.cordifolia trees ( 8 to 10) . Take photographs and compare them
with those of TS. You will get the answer.

On Mar 21, 2:06 pm, Rashida Atthar <atthar.rash...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pardeshi ji,  Kleinhovia can be ruled out because Kleinhovia leaves are
> cordate and very different from the one in the pictures, even the fruit is
> five winged.
>
> regards,
> Rashida.
>

[Pudji Widodo]

I think Pterocarpus marsupium Roxburgh

Pudji Widodo
Fakultas Biologi Universitas Jenderal Soedirman
PURWOKERTO INDONESIA

[Padmini Raghavan]

Hi All,

 I can only say that I am familiar with both Holoptelea integrifolia and Berrya cordifolia (at Thiru-Vi-Ka Park , Shenoynagar and and VAANAVIL , Mount Road ) and this is not those species. The seed - pod looks like Berrya's but is much rougher. It is definitely not Kleinhovia either as I have some of its seeds in pods.

                  I am not able to check out the seeds of Pterocarpus marsupium.

 Thanks,

PadminiRaghavan.

2011/3/21 Pudji Widodo <pudji...@gmail.com>

[Padmini Raghavan]

Thanks for the suggestions. I am attaching  my pics of the three kinds of seeds.                 I feel the search is not yet over.

Rgds,

Padmini

 

.                  I am not able to check out the seeds of Pterocarpus marsupium.

[Rashida Atthar]

Padmini ji you are correct in ruling out Berry, I checked the leaves also are quite different and the fruit is six winged of Berry.  I thought of Marsupium too, but the fruits of Marsupium do not have a wegde at the top or clear samara wings as in Holoptelea. You may check the pictures of Dr. Geeta Samant in the database where very clear fruits are seen of Marsupium.  Also please check when you see the tree again whether the leaves have an odd one at the end of the leaflets that is typical of Marsupium and the leaflets  would be more egg shaped unlike Holoptelea. 

 

regards,

Rashida.  

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

“Holoptlia integrifolia has one seeded fruit. the fruit is resembling Berrya cordifoia (the wings) and tat of Kleinhoevia hospita.” from Pardeshi ji.

 

“Kleinhovia can be ruled out because Kleinhovia leaves are cordate and very different from the one in the pictures, even the fruit is five winged.” from Rashida ji.

 

“The tree looks like Berrya cordifolia.     The foliage is not clear. Hence I cannot confirm.  You may please visit Gandhinagar 3rd Main Road  almost near the Padmanabha temple.   There is  a row of B.cordifolia trees ( 8 to 10) .  Take  photographs  and compare them with those of TS.  You will get the answer.” from Mahadeswara ji.

 

"I think Pterocarpus marsupium Roxburgh

Pudji Widodo"

" I can only say that I am familiar with both Holoptelea integrifolia and Berrya cordifolia (at Thiru-Vi-Ka Park , Shenoynagar and and VAANAVIL , Mount Road ) and this is not those species. The seed - pod looks like Berrya's but is much rougher. It is definitely not Kleinhovia either as I have some of its seeds in pods.

                  I am not able to check out the seeds of Pterocarpus marsupium." from Padmini ji.

 

"Thanks for the suggestions. I am attaching  my pics of the three kinds of seeds.                 I feel the search is not yet over.
Rgds,
Padmini"

 

"Padmini ji you are correct in ruling out Berry, I checked the leaves also are quite different and the fruit is six winged of Berry.  I thought of Marsupium too, but the fruits of Marsupium do not have a wegde at the top or clear samara wings as in Holoptelea. You may check the pictures of Dr. Geeta Samant in the database where very clear fruits are seen of Marsupium.  Also please check when you see the tree again whether the leaves have an odd one at the end of the leaflets that is typical of Marsupium and the leaflets  would be more egg shaped unlike Holoptelea. 
regards,
Rashida. "

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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.
Some earlier relevant feedback:
“Holoptlia integrifolia has one seeded fruit. the fruit is resembling Berrya cordifoia (the wings) and tat of Kleinhoevia hospita.” from Pardeshi ji.
 
“Kleinhovia can be ruled out because Kleinhovia leaves are cordate and very different from the one in the pictures, even the fruit is five winged.” from Rashida ji.
 
“The tree looks like Berrya cordifolia. The foliage is not clear. Hence I cannot confirm. You may please visit Gandhinagar 3rd Main Road  almost near the Padmanabha temple.   There is  a row of B.cordifolia trees ( 8 to 10) .  Take  photographs  and compare them with those of TS.  You will get the answer.” from Mahadeswara ji.
 
"I think Pterocarpus marsupium Roxburgh
Pudji Widodo"

" I can only say that I am familiar with both Holoptelea integrifolia and Berrya cordifolia (at Thiru-Vi-Ka Park , Shenoynagar and and VAANAVIL , Mount Road ) and this is not those species. The seed - pod looks like Berrya's but is much rougher. It is definitely not Kleinhovia either as I have some of its seeds in pods. I am not able to check out the seeds of Pterocarpus marsupium." from Padmini ji.
 
"Thanks for the suggestions. I am attaching  my pics of the three kinds of seeds. I feel the search is not yet over.
Rgds,
Padmini"
 
"Padmini ji you are correct in ruling out Berry, I checked the leaves also are quite different and the fruit is six winged of Berry.  I thought of Marsupium too, but the fruits of Marsupium do not have a wegde at the top or clear samara wings as in Holoptelea. You may check the pictures of Dr. Geeta Samant in the database where very clear fruits are seen of Marsupium.  Also please check when you see the tree again whether the leaves have an odd one at the end of the leaflets that is typical of Marsupium and the leaflets  would be more egg shaped unlike Holoptelea.
regards,
Rashida. "

"On seeing the latest photographs I have a doubt that this could be one of the Terminalia species." Mahadeswara ji.

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Date: 20 March 2011 23:27
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[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Lalithamba ji.

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Date: 9 April 2017 at 20:01
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:65233] 210311-PR-1 To ID-Chennai
To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Interesting, the plant is not Pterocarpus marsupium or  Holoptelea integrifolia or Berrya cordifolia ; the fruit and seed suggest it looks like a member of Malpighiacea ; not sure

regards

A.Lalithamba

[J.M. Garg]

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Date: 11 Apr 2017 9:16 a.m.
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To: "J.M. Garg" <jmg...@gmail.com>

Cc:

Long back I indicated that this could be a species of Terminalia.  Please check for both Terminalia and Cambretum species.

[J.M. Garg]

Appears close to some Aspidopterys species like Aspidopterys wallichii Hook.f. 

[Vijayasankar]

This could be Berrya javanica, a native to Java and N. Australia.

Vijayasankar

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Vijayasankar Raman, Ph.D.
Research Scientist
National Center for Natural Products Research
University of Mississippi

[Satish N. Pardeshi]

Yes as identified by Vijaysankar jee it is B. javanica.

http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=363417&SID=0&mobile=0&code_category_taxon=1&size=1

Regards

Satish Pardeshi

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EACH ONE.... PLANT ONE...

Satish Pardeshi
Plant Taxonomist  

Mumbai, Pune

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Vijayasankar ji. 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Satish ji. 

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Vijayasankar ji, for the id.

I also agree with you as per images at http://keys.trin.org.au/key-server/data/0e0f0504-0103-430d-8004-060d07080d04/media/Html/taxon/Berrya_javanica.htm