Piper Var.

[Prashant awale]

Dear Friends,

 

This one is a "Piper" Var (Piperaceae Family) photographed at "Sohra Forest- Meghalaya". My guess is Piper Cubeba??. Your comments please..

 

Thanks and  best wishes

Prashant..  

[JANAKI TURAGA]

Possibly a Piper longum. How long was the pepper 'pod'?

But an interesting Piper.

Janaki Turaga
 

[Prashant awale]

I am bit confused between Piper Cubeba  and  Piper longum. Have a look at following link. http://www.summagallicana.it/lessico/p/pepe%20cubebe.htm

The spikes were variable from around 1cm to 4cm roughly.
Have a look at one more photo (not very clear).

Thanks & best wishes
Prashant..

[JANAKI TURAGA]

Hi,

Sry for the late response.

My identification was based on what was available in google search.

One key identification was the 'tail', which was missing in the picture.

But when you sent in the link, then I got confused.

I feel that Piper longum has a longer 'pod' than Piper cubeba.

Additional information is needed before this variety is confirmed.

I do have a question though: Again based on google search, its geographical distribution is south east asia. Though our North Eastern region can be considered as a continuum of the South East Asian bio-geographical zone (roughly speaking), is Piper cubeba found in North EAst? One interenet search stated that Mysore was the location of the photograph!

Perhaps the experts in this group can throw some light on this.

Thanks for posting this, it has opened up a whole new world of Pipers!! Such incredible variety.

Janaki Turaga

 

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Thanks & best wishes

Prashant..

 

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Prashant ji,

You may like to go through the details & links from Indiantreepix Database as below:

Piper longum

Piperaceae

Long Papper, Pipli

at BOTANICAL GARDEN, SHIBPUR, HOWRAH on 02/10/07- Debasish ji.

Piper Longum,Indian Long Pepper,Piper Longum Suppliers,Long Pepper Fruits,India

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[JANAKI TURAGA]

Gurcharanji,

Perhaps you can clarify which piper this is.

This is the piper i mentioned in my earlier mail.

Thanks

Janaki Turaga
 

[JANAKI TURAGA]

i hope this mail goes through to the group

[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Prashant ji,

Could you finally confirm the species?

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[Vijayadas D]

Realy it is very interesting  .I have no idea of distribution of piper , whether it is rare or occassional ?

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Forwarding again for Id confirmation as Piper Cubeba or Piper longum or otherwise pl.

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[Vijayadas D]

Dear all,

 

it is Piper cubeba

[Dr Gurcharan Singh]

Leaves of P. longum are much different: broader and cordate at base. This could be P. cubeba

 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://parisaramahiti.kar.nic.in/Medicinal_plants_new/MEDI%2520IMAGES/PIPER%2520CUBEBA%2520L.F..jpg&imgrefurl=http://parisaramahiti.kar.nic.in/Medicinal_plants_new/med%2520plants/p145.html&usg=__Q42grXxoXVMEeIA0szn9iFEWQYY=&h=240&w=200&sz=31&hl=en&start=14&tbnid=60rIPOGZmZdaeM:&tbnh=110&tbnw=92&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPiper%2Bcubeba%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

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[Swagat]

Dear all,

 

 

'Piper Cubeba' is called 'Kankol' 'कंकोळ' in Marathi.

 

Regards,

 

~Swagat

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[JM Garg]

[J.M. Garg]

Piper cubeba L.fil. is not found in India as per Catalogue of Life;

Can it be Piper khasianum C.DC. (syn: Piper curtistipes C.DC.) as per GBIF Specimen ?

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May be Padmaraj ji helps us in the matter.

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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A reply from another thread from Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee for this post:

Piper peepulloides.

PLM

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Dear Sir, any help in this id?

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Thanks, Tabish ji.

Sorry, I think I had posted the reply in a wrong thread.

[J.M. Garg]

On further checking, I found that the answer was rightly placed.

It should be a male plant as per GBIF- Specimen

[Tabish]

This 2016 paper treats Piper mullesua Buch.-Ham. ex D.Don (1825, p. 20) as synonym of Piper peepuloides Roxb.

 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307099058_Taxonomic_notes_on_the_genus_Piper_Piperaceae

 The description of Piper mullesua at FOC mentions flowers are bisexual and spikes are almost spherical. Notes in the FOC description also talk about that species being wrongly described as having long male inflorescence.

My understanding from all this is that Piper peepuloides has small spikes which are bisexual.

  Any clarification is welcome.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Tabish ji.

There has been a lot of confusion about the long spike of male plants in Piper peepulloides.

As the id comes from Dr. Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee, there should not be any doubt about it.

As per his recent publication, Nomenclatural notes on Piper (Piperaceae) from India III (2020)

Abstract: This paper, in continuation of earlier ones (Mukherjee 2017, 2018), deals with the taxonomic studies of the genus Piper Linnaeus (Piperaceae) from India. It includes information on the identity, typification and nomenclature of ten additional species. The results report four new names: Piper courtallensis P. K. Mukh. nom. nov., Piper kurgianum P. K. Mukh. nom.nov, Piper lamarckianum P. K. Mukh. nom. nov., and Piper travancorianum P. K. Mukh. nom. nov. It also deals with the lectotypification and nomenclature of P. argyrophyllum Miquel, P. attenuatum Miquel and P. talbotii C. de Candolle in addition to supersession of previous lectotypification with new ones for P. leptostachyum Miquel and P. peepuloides Roxburgh. Additionally, new synonyms are added for P. obtusistigmum C.de Candolle and P. talbotii C. de Candolle. Identities of P. peepuloides Roxburgh, P. mullesua Don and P. rhytidocarpum J. D. Hooker as distinct species are reasserted. An overall evaluation of their identity and nomenclature including synonyms is included. Necessary explanatory notes are added for each of the species which are dealt alphabetically.

He has considered Suwanpakhdee's 2016 publication in this.

It says Piper mullesua is considered here as distinct from P. peepuloides because it differs in the characters of the female spikes. These are long pedicelled and spherical to ovoid in P. mullesua and subsessile and cylindrical in P. peepuloides.

[Tabish]

Since this is the latest paper, it settles the name confusion, and it also considers the paper I had pointed to.

Prasanta Kumar Mukherjee would know the identity of this plant well, I am sure.

 So, I take it as Piper peepuloides.

 Tabish

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Padma Raj ji.

Dr. Prashanta Kumar Mukherjee suggested it as Piper peepulloides.

Any views ?

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 19:02, padmaraj gajurel <pgaj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Probably a male plant of P. khasianum C. D.

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On Friday, 13 February 2009 17:03:11 UTC+5:30, Prashant awale wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

This one is a "Piper" Var (Piperaceae Family) photographed at "Sohra Forest- Meghalaya". My guess is Piper Cubeba??. Your comments please..

 

Thanks and  best wishes

Prashant..  

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks a lot, Padma Raj ji.

Dr. Prashanta Kumar Mukherjee suggested it as Piper peepulloides.

Any views ?

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Thanks a lot, Padmaraj ji.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 at 15:41, padmaraj gajurel <pgaj...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear sir

Yes it could be

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