Kalatope id al180711

[Alok Mahendroo]

Dear friends,
A herb for id...

Location Kalatope
Altitude 2100 mts
Habit herb
Habitat wild
Height 2 feet

regards
Alok
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Himalayan Village Education Trust
Village Khudgot,
P.O. Dalhousie
District Chamba
H.P. 176304, India

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[Smilax004]

Cyathula sp of Amaranthaceae?

Regards,
Giby

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[Suresh Brar]

hello all,
I think this is Prickly chaff flower,(Achyranthes aspera).
Family-Amaranthaceae.
Regards.
Suresh Brar.

[H S]

Achyranthes coynei

regards,

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 - H.S.

A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H S

I wonder whether a plant Endemic to Western Ghats can be expected in Western Himalayas. 

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Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
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[H S]

Why not sirji, when we can get many Himalayan plants in Western Ghat at higher elevation, so it is possible, 

infact A. coynei is also found at higher elevation..

or more detail study required.. 

regards,

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear H S

Yes many Himalayan Plants are found in Western Ghats and vice versa, but when we say an endemic plant, its occurrence in another place is always interesting, for the plant may no longer be called as endemic to Western Ghats, if it occurs naturally in another far separated region. That is why I wanted this identification to be verified carefully. Could you kindly give a key separating it from A. aspera and bidentata? as I am not familiar with this species. It should help. May be we can then request Alok ji to focus on those parts of the plant. It would be a great discovery to have this species in Himalayas.

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Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[H S]

Sirji, In Maharashtra there is more than 6 species of Achyranthes.

But to seperate A. coynei from A. aspera and A. bidentata

1. Flowers compactly arranged, Leaves margin magenta colour, 

    flower magenta color....                                                                A. coynei

1. Flowers sparsely arranged on rachis, flowers greenish colour.          2

2. Leaves apex round or ovate, outer bracts without two dentation....    A. aspera

2. Leaves apex acuminate, outer bracts with 2 teeth like projection...   A. bidentata

regards,

[Balkar Arya]

thanks HS ji for the Key

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Regards

Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[Nayan Singh]

Dear Gurcharan Singh ji,

last year i had posted Achyranthes sp from Pachmarhi area of Satpura Tiger Reserve , which was identified by our friends as Achyranthes coynei, which I am again attaching. If it is confirm then it is not endemic to Western ghat.

Thanks and Regards

Nayan.

.......................... 

N.S.Dungriyal IFS
Chief Conservator of Forests
and Field Director
Satpura Tiger Reserve Hoshangabad
M.P.
09424792100

From: Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>
To: H S <hems...@gmail.com>
Cc: Suresh Brar <brar....@gmail.com>; Smilax004 <giby.ku...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 19 July 2011 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:74504] Re: Kalatope id al180711

[Smilax004]

It is a very interesting discussion.
What I think is that there are many endemics that are later dispersed/
or planted elsewhere. Amaranthacean plants are prone to disperse to a
greater distance because of the adaptation of fruits/seeds. Fruits/
Seeds get attached to animals, luggage (packing case or sacs etc.) and
may take away to long distances with out giving any hint to the
carriers. Such fruits/seeds can go along with truck loads as well.
There are lots of possibilities for a plant like Achyranthes to get
dispersed in these ways.
Once it started establishing in a place then it spreads easily and
fast.

I am just throwing some light on how the WG endemic might have
"reached" to a far away place.

Dear HS, the key is very useful and simple.

Regards,
Giby

> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:40 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Why not sirji, when we can get many Himalayan plants in Western Ghat at
> >> higher elevation, so it is possible,
>
> >> infact A. coynei is also found at higher elevation..
>
> >> or more detail study required..
>
> >> regards,
>

> >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> Dear H S
> >>> I wonder whether a plant Endemic to Western Ghats can be expected in
> >>> Western Himalayas.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> >>> Retired  Associate Professor
> >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
> >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
> >>> Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
> >>>http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/
>

> >>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 5:33 PM, H S <hemsan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Achyranthes coynei
>
> >>>> regards,
>

> >>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Suresh Brar <brar.sur...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>> hello all,
> >>>>> I think this is Prickly chaff flower,(Achyranthes aspera).
> >>>>> Family-Amaranthaceae.
> >>>>> Regards.
> >>>>> Suresh Brar.
>

[Gurcharan Singh]

Yes Giby ji

Basically there are two main types of endemics: palaeoendemics, which were once very widely distributed but now restricted to a certain area; and neoendemics which have originated recently and are yet to move out of their centre of origin. 

    Nayan ji's plant lacks the magenta leaf margin, through flowers have that tinge. This magenta tinge is not uncommon in Achyranthes aspera, and as such Nayan ji's plant may well be A. aspera. I am uploading my plants from Delhi to support this conclusion.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dear members

While identifying specimens of Achyranthes with A. coynei, especially from regions outside of Maharashtra and Karnataka where it is endemic, we have to be doubly sure about its identification. Perhaps The paper supplied by Tanay in another thread should help.

As it appears, A. coynei is closer to A. aspera var. porphyristachya (and not A. aspera var. aspera, which is much smaller plant scarcely exceeding 1.2 m in height and leaves usually smaller than 12 cm), but is more taller (2-4.5 m tall as against 1.3-1.8 m), much more branched, leaves reaching 25 cm in length (like var. porphyristachya), subglabrous above, pubescent beneath especially along veins, inflorescence axis is robust (and not slender) and densely pubescent. The real difference I think is the larger flowers with  up to 8 mm long (as against up to 5 mm in A. aspera) rosy or purplish and spreading at anthesis (with spread almost 2 cm).

Interestingly the purplish leaf margin mentioned by H S in the key does not figure in the original description.

Nayan ji's plants has densely hairy thicker leaves like A. aspera.

-- 
Dr. Gurcharan Singh
Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ 

[Balkar Arya]

Dear All

 I think this thread was left without conclusion

I am attaching few pics of the plant shot from Chakrata recently. And i guess A aspera but with magenta tinge

Pls clarify

[Saroj Kumar Kasaju]

Achyranthes aspera L.

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju