Gurcharan ji, thanks for your kind remarks! I would rather not carry
the burden of the taxononmist tag! :-) It would be more reasonable to
call me an informed layman.
Coming to Phyllocephalum scabridum, I don't remember now where I
picked up this information about Phyllocephalum tenue being a synonym
from. I doesn't seem to be right. Those were the early days of FOI
when we were not aware of IPNI and GRIN.
- Tabish
On Oct 27, 7:36 pm, "Gurcharan Singh" <
sin...@sify.com> wrote:
> Yes Garg ji
> It is not for nothing that I call you and Tabish ji as expert taxonomists.
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College
> University of Delhi, Delhi
> Indiahttp://
people.du.ac.in/~singhg45
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.M. Garg
> To: Gurcharan Singh
> Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1
>
> Hi, Singh ji.
> You have missed the 2nd half of my mail reproduced again:
> "It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA4...
>
> Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%...
>
> Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta triclada Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%...
>
> And so & so on."
>
> Thus if Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) is syn. of Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman), it will be indicate the current name as (=scabridum) under notes, in the APNI link of Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana) at
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A...
>
> I hope I am clear now.
>
> 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <
sin...@sify.com>
>
> Garg ji
> These are the basionyms on which the new combinations are based. Every name that has two authers one within parantheses (DC in this case) and one outside -Kirkman in this case, will have a basionym. The problem of synonyms comes when we are equating two differently described and typed names. (heterotypic synonyms).
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College
> University of Delhi, Delhi
> India
>
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.M. Garg
> To: Gurcharan Singh
> Cc: Neil Soares ; Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1
>
> Hi, Singh ji,
> Thanks for making us learn bit by bit.
>
> I think it (APNI) also gives synonyms as one can see in the link for (Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman):
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA6...
>
> It (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta indica Lam. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=FC662F5A0DA4...
>
> Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta trichoclada DC. i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of) Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836012-1&back_page=%...
>
> Similarly, it (APNI) also gives current name e.g. for Triumfetta triclada Link i.e. it indicates its current name to be (i.e. it being a syn. of)Triumfetta annua
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=836013-1&back_page=%...
>
> And so & so on.
>
> 2009/10/27 Gurcharan Singh <
sin...@sify.com>
>
> Garg ji
> Please note that IPNI (which is a common database for Index Kewensis, Australian Plant Names Index and Gray's Card Index) does not give any taxonomic judgement. It won't list whether the name is accepted one or a synonym. It is the GRIN Taxonomy page, Kew World Checklist (fragmentary at this stage), recent Floras and a few other websites which list synonymy.
>
> Since the two names being discussed here were validated more recently (1981, 1982), may be Tabish ji or any other colleague to cite a publication where the two have been treated as synonyms.
>
> Dr. Gurcharan Singh
> Associate Professor
> SGTB Khalsa College
> University of Delhi, Delhi
> India
>
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J.M. Garg
> To: Neil Soares
> Cc: Pravin Kawale ; indiantreepix ; Tabish ; Dinesh Valke
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:55 PM
> Subject: [indiantreepix:21649] Re: ID021009phk1
>
> Flowersofindia shows both of them as synonyms, while APNI shows them as different species as per links:
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=16428332EF7A...(APNI- Phyllocephalum tenue ( Clarke ) Narayana)
>
>
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=C04E4D094FA6...(APNI- Phyllocephalum scabridum ( DC. ) K.Kirkman)
> 2009/10/3 Neil Soares <
drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Pravin,
> The photograph here is of Baccharoides tenue / Phyllocephalum tenue / Centrantherum tenue and not the same as the Purple Head [Baccharoides scabridum / Phyllocephalum scrabridum] seen in your first photograph.
> Regards,
> Neil.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/3/09, Pravin Kawale <
kawale.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To: "Neil Soares" <
drneilsoa...@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "indiantreepix" <
indian...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:00 PM
>
> Hi,Neilji,
> It looks other than because
> Purple head has both stem and leaves hairy
> Pl.go through attachment
> Thanks
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Neil Soares <
drneilsoa...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Pravin,
> It is the Purple Head [Phyllocephalum scrabridum].
> Regards,
> Neil.
>
> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, Pravin Kawale <
kawale.pra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Pravin Kawale <
kawale.pra...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [indiantreepix:19995] ID021009phk1
> To: "indiantreepix" <
indian...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:07 PM
>
> Hi,
> ID asistance please
> Herb from Sagargad,Alibag
> Hieght up to 1mt.
> Thanks in advance
>
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> Pravin
>
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>
> With regards,
> J.M.Garg (
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