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Alexander Obuhovich  
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 More options Nov 23 2009, 9:35 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:35:58 +0200
Local: Mon, Nov 23 2009 9:35 am
Subject: Implement site content language negotiation

For now, when user goes to site directly to the site, e.g.
http://www.site.com, then site content is shown on default language (same
for all users). Of course later user can choose other language later. There
is such setting in user browser as preferred languages, where he sets up
languages he/she wants to view sites on (by the priority). Such header is
called "Accept-Language" and is sent each time user visits the site. I
propose we detect default user language based on this header. When no
language matches, then we use language, marked as default.

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Dmitry A.  
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 More options Dec 16 2009, 4:10 pm
From: "Dmitry A." <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:10:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
I believe this would be very useful feature.

I would also add more robust functionality directly related to this -
ability to manage Domains vs. Themes vs. Languages that are loaded.

And as a one of the options would add ability to auto-detect user
Language. Obviously this is more complex then initially proposed
feature, but I think we should definitely discuss and come up with a
good plan for listed above and then break it on smaller tasks.

What others think?

DA.

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 More options Dec 16 2009, 4:26 pm
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:26:48 +0200
Local: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Why not, I've already implemented this whole stuff, even currency/language
selection based on domain. By default new table will be empty, so all will
work as before. For advanced users there will be ability to define default
language, language selection, default countries and so on based on domain
gathered from $_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].

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 More options Dec 16 2009, 4:55 pm
From: "Dmitry A." <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:55:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Ok, let try to work out the specs for this then (here):

1. New Section (probably under Configuration->Website) that will allow
to configure multiple Domains that this website is running on.

2. Each domain should have Default and Available for user to select
(change)

- Primary Theme (drop-down)
- Primary Language (drop-down) + Available Languages
- Primary Currency (drop-down) + Available Currencies

3. By Default will be empty and won't make ANY changes to the current
default functionality.

Anything else we can add here which could be domain specific?

ANY thoughts are welcome, Phil, Sergey, Alex, Andrew!

Cheers.

DA.

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 More options Dec 16 2009, 4:58 pm
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:58:32 +0200
Local: Wed, Dec 16 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

I would add "+ Available Themes" too in case if themes are using skin
selector (like language selector).

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 More options Dec 17 2009, 9:48 pm
From: "Dmitry A." <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:48:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Dec 17 2009 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Sure!

Here is another cool things to have.

Besides the ability to specify Site Domains and what Language and
Themes is available for user we can add IP (Network matching).

1. New Section (probably under Configuration->Website) that will allow
to configure multiple Domains that this website is running on.

2. Each domain (sub-domain) should have Default and Available for user
to select
(change)

- Geo-Location Match - by IP or Country (location).
a. List (range) of IP addresses / networks will be entered.
b. List of Countries + somewho we need to match IP to Country.
c. Force redirect for User to this domain if his IP (remote address)
falls.

- Primary Theme (drop-down) + Available Themes
- Primary Language (drop-down) + Available Languages
- Primary Currency (drop-down) + Available Currencies

3. By Default will be empty and won't make ANY changes to the current
default functionality.

DA

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 More options Dec 20 2009, 1:12 am
From: "Dmitry A." <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:12:57 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Dec 20 2009 1:12 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Alex, Sergey - what are your thoughts on what I described earlier?

Cheers!

DA.

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 More options Dec 23 2009, 3:06 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:06:21 +0200
Local: Wed, Dec 23 2009 3:06 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

I've create two tasks based on given discussion:

http://tracker.in-portal.org/view.php?id=471 (0000471: Implement site
content language negotiation)
http://tracker.in-portal.org/view.php?id=472 (0000472: Domain-based site
auto-configuration)

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 More options Jan 21 2010, 5:44 pm
From: "Dmitry A." <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:44:32 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Jan 21 2010 5:44 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Hi all,

I'd like to revisit "Domain-based site auto-configuration" discussion
-- http://tracker.in-portal.org/view.php?id=472

We really need to think about Admin email addresses for each sites/
domain. It's kind of odd to use the same Admin Email for all different
domains, isn't it?

It's kind of hard to think of the way to implement it for all Email
Events - there is a lot. We can definitely make it happen for general
Admin address, at the same time  keeping SMTP settings section
unchanged.

Let me know your thought.

Cheers!

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 More options Jan 25 2010, 1:45 pm
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:45:32 +0200
Local: Mon, Jan 25 2010 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

I also propose to make SSL-settings domain-based. So each site can have it's
own ssl domain. To implement this we need to centralize SSL_URL
configuration variable retrieval and usage of DOMAIN constant so both of
them will look for "site-domain" record first.

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 More options Jan 25 2010, 1:50 pm
From: Dmitry Andrejev <dandre...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:50:04 -0600
Local: Mon, Jan 25 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Yes, I agree with SSL.

So to sum up what still needs to be covered for this task is:

1. Email Events FROM Address (or just domain part of it)

2. SSL settings should be Site based too.

Do you have thoughts on Email part?

Thanks.

DA.

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 More options Jan 26 2010, 4:28 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:28:42 +0200
Local: Tues, Jan 26 2010 4:28 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Nothing, this is pretty simple.

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 More options Feb 9 2010, 11:24 am
From: Phil <p...@domicilis.biz>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:24:37 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:24 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Hi,

this is a really interesting feature, as I have 2 actual customers who
are interested by this, and I was thinking about doing something hand-
made :)

I'll request another features :
- Primary Paiement (drop-down) + Available Paiement modes
- Primary Shipping (drop-down) + Available Shipping modes

As when we think about website geolocalized, it means we could have
different way to pay and ship orders.

This multi-sites feature can also be used by customers to open their
own competitor, that's why it's really interesting, and you ever
though about "Email Events FROM Address", cool !

I hope it'll be ready for 510.

Phil.

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 More options Feb 9 2010, 11:48 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 18:48:06 +0200
Local: Tues, Feb 9 2010 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

*- Primary Payment (drop-down) + Available Payment* *modes *is already
implemented as part of this feature.
* - Primary Shipping (drop-down) + Available Shipping modes* whole shipping
mode configuration is stuff is pretty advanced already, so you can define
zones based on country and we though it's no need to complicate it by
placing global override in site domain section domain-based.

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 More options Feb 10 2010, 5:27 am
From: Phil <p...@domicilis.biz>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:27:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:27 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Hello,

about shipping, this was in the idea of running multisite in 1
country, with the need to separate things depending on originating
orders.

Also, could it be possible to have a field in Admin Orders to know
where does the order was originating?

Phil.

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 More options Feb 10 2010, 5:31 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:31:49 +0200
Local: Wed, Feb 10 2010 5:31 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Forgot that, yes, we need to add this: field in order, that will hold
domain, where order was originally created, also order should feature
language, that user used on site, when order was created. This all would
ensure, that he will receive order-related emails on it's language and not
on admin's language.

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 More options Feb 10 2010, 1:36 pm
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:36:45 -0600
Local: Wed, Feb 10 2010 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Hi guys,

Just to sum up and add something, here is what I have all together:

1. Site Domain user registered on under User Account (so it's accessible in
User Management). Not sure as text or option (id).

2. Site Domain for Order where it placed.

3. User Language for Order when it was placed.

What you think?

Thanks.

DA.

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 More options Feb 10 2010, 2:59 pm
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:59:45 +0200
Local: Wed, Feb 10 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Maybe there are other places where site domain could be useful?

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 More options Feb 11 2010, 5:54 am
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 02:54:47 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
1. Site Domain user registered on under User Account (so it's
accessible in
User Management). Not sure as text or option (id).
2. Site Domain for Order where it placed.
3. User Language for Order when it was placed.

+

4. e-mails and SSL via originating domain

5. shipping, payement & theme specific for each domain (for shipping
and payemen, this could be like we actually select groups for payement
modes)

Phil.

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 More options Feb 11 2010, 11:04 am
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:04:45 -0800 (PST)
Local: Thurs, Feb 11 2010 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
Thanks Phil,

This is all listed and most of it done already.

I would say that we are only missing:

1. Site Domain user registered on under User Account (so it's
accessible in
User Management). Not sure as text or option (id).
2. Site Domain for Order where it placed.
3. User Language for Order when it was placed.
4. Shipping Types - which wasn't intended to by included, but more I
think about - more I understand it might be a good idea to have.

Alex what you think - is the above time consuming for 5.1.0?

DA.

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 More options Feb 12 2010, 6:01 am
From: Phil <p...@domicilis.biz>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:01:19 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Feb 12 2010 6:01 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
for your info and to keep in touch with competitors:

http://www.magentocommerce.com/knowledge-base/entry/overview-how-mult...

P.

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 More options Feb 12 2010, 9:55 am
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:55:29 +0200
Local: Fri, Feb 12 2010 9:55 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

Seems similar, but still our has some features, that their doesn't have. As
of configuration point our implementation seems very simple related to
theirs. There is one interesting point, that we don't have:

   - ability to specify module root categories on domain basis

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 More options Feb 13 2010, 4:02 pm
From: Phil <p...@domicilis.biz>
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:02:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Feb 13 2010 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
It would great to be able to specify the root folder for each module.
This way we could select for each multisite if they display all or
part of product catalog, for example.

I like to look around what's allready done, and make the best of all
ideas :)

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 More options Mar 3 2010, 7:58 am
From: Phil <p...@domicilis.biz>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 04:58:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Wed, Mar 3 2010 7:58 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation
I'd like to follow the coding details, about .htaccess and redirects,
as there 2 types of multisites that could be done:

a- setting domain aliases in the same hosting - we just have to
receive the info about domain name

b- another domain is sending request, acting as a proxy (mainly
because users cannot know that it's hosted in another place, and e-
mails can be setup separatly) - can we handle this too?

additionaly, will the new function will write the correct htaccess by
itself ?

thanks
Phil.

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 More options Mar 3 2010, 8:02 am
From: Alexander Obuhovich <aik.b...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:02:11 +0200
Local: Wed, Mar 3 2010 8:02 am
Subject: Re: Implement site content language negotiation

This discussion/task is about displaying (possibly with proper domain
redirect) site on correct language based on language given by user's
browser.

I don't really understand why you need .htaccess for that. Please provide
examples.

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