Open Projects!!!

[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

After these successful, active discussions and doubts-sharing, can we
think about some thing serious??

Lets shed some ideas about a new open projects. Some thing which
demanding on the current IT scenario which we all can share our own
skills.Just like an idea lab, we can share some of our ideas and give
blood 'n' flesh to it.. It would be a next step beyond the
discussions.
Lets make a list of our members with corresponding skill sets we each
have,what contributions each of us can do, etc etc..


as an example
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Name:-


Programming language:- java,C,C++,python etc
Programming Skill:- novice/medium/expert
Technology:-

Documentation:- English/Malayalam/etc
Idea of a New project:-
.
.
.
.
.
etc
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After we make dbase of our skill set, any one can post an idea, a
proposal for a new project, and lets design make it happen...

what ya all folks say??

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[aniyathikkutty]

Thats a good idea

+1

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[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

My data:-

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Jeevachaithanyan S
Java(medium),python(newbie).
Documentation(malayalam,english)

Proposed project:- An open project to build up Traffic Monitoring System

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[Rajeev J Sebastian]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:09 AM, jeevachaithanyan sivanandan
<jeev...@gmail.com> wrote:

> After these successful, active discussions and doubts-sharing, can we
> think about some thing serious??
>
> Lets shed some ideas about a new open projects. Some thing which
> demanding on the current IT scenario which we all can share our own
> skills.Just like an idea lab, we can  share some of our ideas and give
> blood 'n' flesh to it.. It would be a next step beyond the
> discussions.
> Lets make a list of our members with corresponding skill sets we each
> have,what  contributions each of us can do, etc etc..

Are you serious ? Do you mean to say, you cannot find *one*, just
*one* project online that you can be part of ?

Simply do "apt-get search" (or whatever) and the packages it returns
are mostly ones that need people to work on them ...

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

[ashik salahudeen]

i agree with rajeev

[Yadu Rajiv]

GNU - Projects Needing Help - http://savannah.gnu.org/people/

But it will always be fun to work on something new :)

peace,
yadu

[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

All I tried to say that we "I-Lug Team" can share some ideas to a new project and work on that... plus I thought it would be nice to start up some ideas/projects than mere a packages..

.I know there are so many open source projects going on...
Did I sound very desperate to find  a project--:)??

i should be sorry, if then...

[Subin Sebastian]

I agree with Jeevachaithanyan. It will be something interesting if we try to do something from scratch. Can't we create a private project on some vcs...?....

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[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

vcs?? or CVS?? ..ok whatver.. yes. thats wat I thought.. some thing we "I-lug" group can do...

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[ashik salahudeen]

All free software projects were born out of somebody's need to scratch
an itch.. All of them have a purpose that they fulfill. Startgina
free software project just for the heck of it migh work for sometime
but would die out eventually. Thousands of dead projects in
sourceforge testifies this. There is no justification for starting
something simply because you want to do a project. A coordinated
effort in contributing to existing free software projects which needs
people will help immensly. KDE and GNOME are always in need of people
- try contributing to them. For people who are into system
programming, try Haiku. There is no dearth of projects if you really
want to contribute.

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[Subin Sebastian]

@Jeevachaithanyan
vcs-version control system
cvs-concurrent version control system
Cheers....

[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

if some ppl from KDE,  kept stick  with KDE, there wouldnt be Gnome..
its true that so many dead projects there, but there is nothing wrong to a budding new ideas..

@SS

cheerss...( beer??;-)

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[ashik salahudeen]

Why did people start GNOME ? Not because they woke up one fine morning
and told themselvs " Hey i should go start a desktop environment. "
There was a need for GNOME. And that need is still driving the
project. That being said, it will be good to implement new ideas, not
because you have to implement something but because there is a new
idea that needs implementing.

[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

:--).. are u cross reading your self??? where did you see on my post that " I need to make a project here!!""???

Ideas wont launch on doorstep on one spring morning..Just let the ideas budd  and blossom.
If your are saying , there is no need for any more projects in open source wold, I dont have any comments.. plus if you dont want to contribute any thing constructive, then please save your time..

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[ashik salahudeen]

:) i was trying to tell you that you are going about it backwards. If
you have an idea, post it - dont talk about "having ideas" :)
Otherwise contribute to existing projects . Many need assistance , not
only in code, but in areas like artwork, localization etc. Instead of
sitting around waiting for ideas to bud and blossom, why not help them
:). Eg: SMC project needs volunteers for localization. You seem to
have skills in Malayalam. Why not contribute to it ? Your idea of
traffic monitoring system is nice - but is it there because you need
an idea to work on, or is it there because you need to implement it
for some purpose ? I hope its clear. I was not trying to discourage
anyone in anyway, but pointing out things from the past that happened
to similar efforts.

[jeevachaithanyan sivanandan]

--:) .. its ok .. i got wat u meant.. same thing happened to start up a malayalam translator.( not transilerator).. but again , who knows some one has a better idea for a new project... We cannot close with   one shot, can we ??

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[aniyathikkutty]

Agreed with Jeevz :-)

[Manilal K M]

2009/11/25 aniyathikkutty <binc...@gmail.com>:

> Agreed with Jeevz :-)
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 3:08 PM, jeevachaithanyan sivanandan
> <jeev...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> --:) .. its ok .. i got wat u meant.. same thing happened to start up a
>> malayalam translator.( not transilerator).. but again , who knows some one
>> has a better idea for a new project... We cannot close with   one shot, can
>> we ??
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:58 PM, ashik salahudeen <aas...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> :) i was trying to tell you that you are going about it backwards. If
>>> you have an idea, post it - dont talk about "having ideas" :)
>>> Otherwise contribute to existing projects . Many need assistance , not
>>> only in code, but in areas like artwork, localization etc. Instead of
>>> sitting around waiting for ideas to bud and blossom, why not help them
>>> :). Eg: SMC project needs volunteers for localization. You seem to
>>> have skills in Malayalam. Why not contribute to it ?  Your idea of
>>> traffic monitoring system is nice - but is it there because you need
>>> an idea to work on, or is it there because you need to implement it
>>> for some purpose ? I hope its clear. I was not trying to discourage
>>> anyone in anyway, but pointing out things from the past that happened
>>> to similar efforts.
>>> --
>>> aashik
>>>

Off-topic: Really fed up with this sort of top-posting. It may be nice
if all of the members could follow the mailing list etiquettes.

Open Projects:
IMHO, those who wish to start new FOSS projects should really have
experience in FOSS Project Management and Various tools(Version
Controlling systems, bug tracking systems, mailing list, wiki, etc..)
The best method to gain experience is to participate and contribute in
the current projects(GNOME. KDE, SMC, etc..). Once you gain experience
and have an innovative/novel idea, then you will have sufficient
reason to start a project.

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[JeevZ]

I have to say this...this topic was not abt " I" want to start a project.. no!!.. all I wanted/tried to say that.. it will be good to start some new project with innovative idea like Gnome,KDE.. I wasnt say that I want to start a project but I was saying that if any one in our members have some new idea which is demanding the current IT scenario, we could start a new project , just like Gnome,KDE.. So many people already are part of some projects like gnome,SMC etc.So they can lead  if some new project will  launch.. I was intend to say that this could be an open turf to propose if some new project ideas come up from some one.. it is not like .."I".. want to start a new project..if  I want to start a new project, I know how to do that..Get the difference please!!!..

As every one saying, stick with Gnome.KDE...its ok to be a part of those, but they are already matured enough projects..plus if any body feeling that all projetcs/needs on the open source world is over.. then I am out of this...

What abt starting a new project like Moblin for Mobile/laptop device interface or support..

All I am saying that apart from posting doubts and issues, we can also  have serious talk about possibilities of new projects/ideas/needs..
I think this is the maximum I can explain... if any one cross reading again, I must say I  dont know English language...ufff!!!

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[sunil s]

In the field of computing and web development what we (Countries like India ) and others (European or American ) countries don't as much required is translation, transliteration & conversion of speech, sound and language from one language to others. 

India is a country having 24 or more ( Not exact figure) written language and administration is done by a semantically different european language.  Majority of people in India is still illeterate on English language and the Policy of India Govt. as well as State governments are to do administration through native languages.

A huge quantity of data of Government sites, Institutions and programmes are available in Various Offices - but in english form only.  What to do if we wants a printout of the voters in a particular ward ( in malayalam ).  They takes the printouts of data in english and manually type in malayalam.  What to do if the data contains 1,00,000 records?  -

Is there any way to get the english data in malayalam form (exactly)

I have noticed some projects in which Tamil to English has done.

It is not a problem for any European or American country but for us it is.

There are researches and technologies done by CDAC in this regard.

I think this is an appropriate subject with innovation.

[Kenney Jacob]

@Jeevan

You still didnt get the point right ?
Dont start your own project... contribute to SMC... Dont start your own project... contribute to SMC......

I hope now you got the point... if you are still in the dark give me a call.

Kenney

[JeevZ]

@Kenney...

:-:D
I am already contributing some translation work in SMC..

 I am still in the dark,  Where did I say""I want to start my project""?? + what is the problem if I will do that??:)

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[Manilal K M]

2009/11/26 JeevZ <jeev...@gmail.com>:

> @Kenney...
>
> :-:D
> I am already contributing some translation work in SMC..
>
>  I am still in the dark,  Where did I say""I want to start my project""?? +
> what is the problem if I will do that??:)
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> @Jeevan
>>
>> You still didnt get the point right ?
>> Dont start your own project... contribute to SMC... Dont start your own
>> project... contribute to SMC......
>>
>> I hope now you got the point... if you are still in the dark give me a
>> call.
>>
>> Kenney
>>

No one here argued for contributing to SMC. SMC is yet another
community like several other Free Software communities. The reason why
I cited SMC as an example is that it has so many local members who may
be contacted via phone or personally and it would be easier for
beginners to work with them.

Jeevz:
It may be nice if you could understand the complexities of being a
successful community project and learn them before tossing your idea
for development. Just do a search in sf.net for "Traffic Monitoring"
and you will get more than 2000 results (half of which may be
irrelevant and half of the relevant results will be already projects).

The best approach is to do an analysis of the existing projects, their
features and find if the idea envisaged by you is already initiated by
someone else. If yes, then probably you can start contributing to
their project, otherwise submit an application for a new one with
proof of concept to one of the FOSS hosting sites(sf.net, google code,
ohloh, github, assembla, etc..)

I don't think that simply putting up your profile and arguing for
something will work in any way. If you want others to join, then
probably you should start working first.

May be nice if you read this
http://www.dreamsongs.com/IHE/

regards

[JeevZ]

@manilal

"""

I don't think that simply putting up your profile and arguing for
something will work in any way. If you want others to join, then
probably you should start working first."""""

I dnt want to continue wasting my time...I already explained abt  post.. If you all cannot understand , then its my linguistic failure...pardon me..

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[Rajeev J Sebastian]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:30 PM, ashik salahudeen <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why did people start GNOME ? Not because they woke up one fine morning
> and told themselvs " Hey i should go start a desktop environment. "
> There was a need for GNOME. And that need is still driving the
> project.

Well from history ... GNOME was started because supposedly Qt was not
"free" (whatever that is supposed to mean). There are still people
though who think thats still true even after all these years. Maybe
some or all of the GNOMIES are still a part of that time-warp :P

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

[Rajeev J Sebastian]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:25 PM, jeevachaithanyan sivanandan
<jeev...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All I tried to say that we "I-Lug Team" can share some ideas to a new
> project and work on that... plus I thought it would be nice to start up some
> ideas/projects than mere a packages..

Btw, don't diss packaging as something beneath you. IMHO one of the
most innovative projects in the Linux world, has its basis in
packaging and distribution - GOBOLinux.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

[V. Sasi Kumar]

On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 12:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:

> Well from history ... GNOME was started because supposedly Qt was not
> "free" (whatever that is supposed to mean).

I think that is supposed to mean "free" as in "freedom" and "free
software". The whole point of "Free Software" is making software "free"
as in "freedom". Since KDE was based on QT and QT was not "free" as in
"freedom", "Free Software" people felt a need to build a graphical
interface that is "free" as in "freedom". Of course, QT is available
under a free licence now and, therefore, KDE is no longer non-free.

> There are still people
> though who think thats still true even after all these years. Maybe
> some or all of the GNOMIES are still a part of that time-warp :P

Of course, all of us are in a "time-warp" because we are talking about
"freedom" which is an outdated concept. Such ideals belong to a world
that has disappeared long back. Words like "idealism" and "ideology" are
outdated and suck. But we are still talking about "freedom" and "ideals"
instead of something more "in" such as "efficiency", "productivity",
"profits" and so on that rock. GNOME may be ancient and outdated, but I
still use GNOME because I have used it for a long time and I find
certain conveniences in it. In that sense, of course, I am a GNOMIE and
part of that time warp. Thanks for pointing it out. But I prefer to
remain that way.

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[Hiran Venugopalan]

Hi,

2009/11/25 jeevachaithanyan sivanandan <jeev...@gmail.com>:
> Jeevachaithanyan S
> Java(medium),python(newbie).

> Proposed project:- An open project to build up Traffic Monitoring System

Start it!
Go to some project sites like Sourceforge or Google Code or Savannah,
make the description and details and how to be part of development.
Inform mailing lists, who likes your idea will come and will start
contribute to project. Being a person with skill in java and python
and so enthusiastic to contribute , it won't be a tough thing for you
to initiate and maintain a project. As Manilal said, follow some other
project and be a part of it whichever project you like to know how it
works and collaborates. There are books like producingoss.com which
would help to know the way. (I am sorry, I am talking all these
thinking your are not yet a core dev of any FOSS project who codes a
ton and gits a dozen time a day.)

Well, there is a point in what Aashik said - think whether the new
project idea could be incorporated with any existing one, or made as a
module to some existing FOSS projects. This feature makes FOSS
beautiful, Is n't it?

And if you mail was just meant to make an Idea Collective, where
people can search for "what do FOSS needs", well, we can have a wiki
for tracking those ideas. (I am not sure, we have something like that.
Huge projects have to-do/ wish / GSoC idea lists inside themselves.)

Simple. Make the project up, Don't wait for the crowd. Crowd will
follow. Who knows whether this project is going to be in the list of
top 10 FOSS tool in 2011!

If you are still in dark, Reply to the thread. ;)

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[JeevZ]

Am I the one in Darkness???
Ask your self , each of you and find the answer!!..

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[JeevZ]

my OT has some  points I want to share

1..it would be a good , if members in our groups showed their skillset.. that would be a good reference

2..apart from the doubts/issues posting, it would be nice if we can share our ideas for new demanding projects and try to launch on them.( its not mandatory.. only if we have ..)

3. I dont want to start my own project..traffic monitoring system,, that i just showed an example..(an example!!!)

4. i know there are so many projects running live, but it doesnt mean that  the void of new ideas/project filled already...if any one having/feeling for a new  project, please share..(
malayalam translator( not transilerator!!) was some thing I found.. I wanted to convert my english posts on my blog to malayalam..I dnt need to retype in malayalam or vice versa). like that , many people have many needs, we can share them./

so collecting all , i just tried to say that it would be fine if  people share their ideas/needs to the current IT structure, lets try to give life on them...



So all these are clean and shine... I dnt understand where do u ppl see the darkness...and i cannot explain more than this,.....