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Parameswaran D  
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From: Parameswaran D <pa...@param.net.in>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:12:07 +0530
Local: Fri, Jan 2 2009 11:42 pm
Subject: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

Anybody visited the www.keralataxes.in[1] for VAT e-filing ? From 1st  
of Jan 2009 onwards e-filing of VAT returns is compulsory for all the  
dealers in Kerala. Please go through the site and see the  
documentation and procedures for e-flining..  Site is developed for  
and by the Microsoft Community.    Govt has arranged e-filing from  
Akshaya Centers for dealers who have no internet facility at "Free Of  
Cost" (Thanks to "Microsoft Unlimited Potential Programme")    My  
Problem   I request OpenSource community of Kerala to (just  
forget about the FSFS Conference conducted by Govt  last month and)  
address my issue   Details of Sales and Purchase needs to be updated  
in MS Excel format. Template file  "SALES_PURCHASE_INVOICE.XLS" is  
available for download in the site.  The data then needs to  
be validated with the excel macro , and macro will create a Text File  
(sales.txt without headers)  in "C:\KVATS" folder,  for Upload .  
 This macro will not work in OpenOffice Calc 3 .   In Calc I  can save  
the data as a Text file,  but it is not coming in the required format  
.    As e-TDS preparation and validation utility (freely  
available) , KVAT return validation and preparation utility needs to  
be developed. but immediately   OOO Calc  file with macro to be  
released.   In this recession period a solution for the above  will be  
helpful for Traders.   Regards, Parameswaran D

Links:
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[1] http://www.keralataxes.in/


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. Keralafarmer  
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From: .Keralafarmer <chandrasekharan.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:46:44 +0530
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 2:16 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

ഇത് ശരിയായ സര്‍ക്കാര്‍ തീരുമാനമല്ലല്ലോ. എന്റെ പ്രതിഷേധം രേഖപ്പെടുത്തുന്നു.

2009/1/3 Parameswaran D <pa...@param.net.in>

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സംരക്ഷിക്കപ്പെടട്ടെ!
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എസ്.ചന്ദ്രശേഖരന്‍ നായര്‍,
ശ്രീരാഘവ്, പെരുകാവ്, പേയാട്-പി.ഒ,
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. Keralafarmer  
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From: .Keralafarmer <chandrasekharan.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 12:49:51 +0530
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 2:19 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

This site is designed to view in 1024 X 768 resolution and IE 6.0 and above
It is the bottom line

2009/1/3 Parameswaran D <pa...@param.net.in>

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സംരക്ഷിക്കപ്പെടട്ടെ!
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എസ്.ചന്ദ്രശേഖരന്‍ നായര്‍,
ശ്രീരാഘവ്, പെരുകാവ്, പേയാട്-പി.ഒ,
തിരുവനന്തപുരം. 695 573
Ph. 0471 2283033
Mob. 91 9447183033 OR 91 9495983033
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ashik salahudeen  
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:24:41 +0530
Local: Sat, Jan 3 2009 11:54 pm
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
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V. Sasi Kumar  
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From: "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:45:00 +0530
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
What do you think about FSUG drafting a letter to the FM and CM about
changing this situation? They could either specify a text format that
the traders can fill in or in some way support all platforms. We can get
signatures from our members and even the public.

Best
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Free Software Foundation of India
http://swatantryam.blogspot.com


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Abilash kp  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:21:01 +0530
Local: Sun, Jan 4 2009 11:51 pm
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

ഇതിനെതിരെ ശക്തമായ പ്രതിഷേധം ഉയരണം

സി.എം. നും എഫ്.എം.നേയും ശശികുമാര്‍ സാറടക്കമുള്ള പ്രധാന പ്രവര്‍ത്തകര്‍
നേരിട്ട് കാണണം.
ഈ വിഷയം മാധ്യമങ്ങളുടെ ശ്രദ്ധയിലും കൊണ്ടുവരണം.


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ashik salahudeen  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:23:06 +0530
Local: Sun, Jan 4 2009 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
How do we go about doing this ? What about a meeting on this ?

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V. Sasi Kumar  
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From: "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:30:04 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 10:21 +0530, Abilash kp wrote:
> ഇതിനെതിരെ ശക്തമായ പ്രതിഷേധം ഉയരണം

> സി.എം. നും എഫ്.എം.നേയും ശശികുമാര്‍ സാറടക്കമുള്ള പ്രധാന പ്രവര്‍ത്തകര്‍
> നേരിട്ട് കാണണം.
> ഈ വിഷയം മാധ്യമങ്ങളുടെ ശ്രദ്ധയിലും കൊണ്ടുവരണം.

നമ്മള്‍ ഇപ്പോള്‍ ദേഷ്യപ്പെടുകയോ വെപ്രാളപ്പെടുകയോ ചെയ്യേണ്ടതില്ല.
സര്‍ക്കാര്‍ നയം മാറ്റിയതായി നമുക്കറിവില്ല. അതുകൊണ്ടു് നമ്മളിപ്പോള്‍
ചെയ്യേണ്ടതു് ഇക്കാര്യം ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട മന്ത്രിയെ അറിയിക്കുക എന്നുള്ളതാണു്. ഈ
ഗ്രൂപ്പിനു തന്നെ ഒരു കത്തു് തയാറാക്കി മന്ത്രിയ്ക്കയയ്ക്കാവുന്നതാണു്.
ഗ്രൂപ്പിലുള്ളവര്‍ക്കെല്ലാം ഒപ്പിട്ടയയ്ക്കാം. ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട മന്ത്രി ഒന്നും
ചെയ്യുന്നില്ല എങ്കില്‍ മുഖ്യമന്ത്രിയ്ക്കു് എഴുതാം. എന്നിട്ടും ഒന്നും
സംഭവിച്ചില്ലെങ്കില്‍ നമുക്കു് മന്ത്രിമാരെ കണ്ടു സംസാരിക്കാം. ഇടതുപക്ഷം
ഇതുവരെ നമ്മളെ അനുകൂലിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ടല്ലൊ. നമുക്കു് ശുഭപ്രതീക്ഷയോടെതന്നെ
നീങ്ങാം.

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i.p.murali  
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 1:06 am
Subject: Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
+1

On Jan 5, 8:51 am, "Abilash kp" <kpabil...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Anivar Aravind  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:22:08 +0530
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Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
On 1/5/09, V. Sasi Kumar <sasi....@gmail.com> wrote:

തീര്‍ച്ചയായും. അതുപോലെ പത്രാധിപര്‍ക്കുള്ള കത്തുകള്‍ വഴിയും മറ്റും ഇതു
കൂടുതല്‍ പേരുടെ ശ്രദ്ധയില്‍ കൊണ്ടുവരണം.


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vipin kumar  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:34:13 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 3:04 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

*Team,

Is there anybody else faced this issue ?

VIPIN KUMAR.V*

2009/1/5 Anivar Aravind <ani...@movingrepublic.org>

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Sebin Jacob  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:38:32 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 4:08 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

Found this posting<http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/microsoft-edgi-secrets/>in
Boycott Novell website.

Sebin

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Rajkumar S  
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From: Rajkumar S <r...@linuxense.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 09:26:01 +0000
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 4:26 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
Quoting "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>:

> What do you think about FSUG drafting a letter to the FM and CM about
> changing this situation? They could either specify a text format that
> the traders can fill in or in some way support all platforms. We can get
> signatures from our members and even the public.

In the mean time is there any hacker who can provide an open office  
equivalent macro?

raj


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Aneesh A  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:23:14 +0530
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Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

Yes. A strong protest should be organised, if this is not changed.

On 1/5/09, Rajkumar S <r...@linuxense.com> wrote:

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Discussion subject changed to "Fwd: [fsug-tvm] Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me" by Mani A
Mani A  
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:31:55 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 8:01 am
Subject: Re: [Fsf-friends] Fwd: [fsug-tvm] Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Sebin Jacob  wrote:
> Here is a mail that appeared in fsug-tvm. Its better to stop the argument
> From: Parameswaran D
> Anybody visited the www.keralataxes.in for VAT e-filing ?
> From 1st of Jan 2009 onwards e-filing of VAT returns is compulsory for all
> the dealers in Kerala.

The finance department still uses proprietary stuff. They seem to be
holding on to licensed proprietary material from earlier years. The
website http://www.finance.kerala.gov.in and many other things have
been done with GNU-GPLed s/w, but the fact is the department staff has
never been reformed (apparently).

It seems they use Adobe distiller, Pagemaker and more.

Are there no FOSS based solutions for all the other central tax forms?

Best

A. Mani

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Param  
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From: Param <pa...@param.net.in>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:44:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
Request submitted for providing Open Office Calc Template through
http://www.keralataxes.in/postQueries.aspx
Let them address the issue professionally

Parameswaran D
.

On Jan 3, 11:15 pm, "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com> wrote:


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V. Sasi Kumar  
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From: "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:55:57 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 11:25 pm
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 17:44 -0800, Param wrote:
> Request submitted for providing Open Office Calc Template through
> http://www.keralataxes.in/postQueries.aspx
> Let them address the issue professionally

Thank you for your initiative.

I think we can also initiate drafting a letter to the Minister. What do
others think?

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ashik salahudeen  
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 09:59:07 +0530
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Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
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From: "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:15:22 +0530
Local: Mon, Jan 5 2009 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:59 +0530, ashik salahudeen wrote:
> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM

Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
identify where the problem is and take corrective action.

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http://swatantryam.blogspot.com


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Manilal K M  
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From: "Manilal K M" <libreg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:40:44 +0530
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 12:10 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
2009/1/6 V. Sasi Kumar <sasi....@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:59 +0530, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM

> Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
> specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
> agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
> instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
> Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
> like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
> identify where the problem is and take corrective action.

+1
We should also provide proofs for all the facts(URL or press reports).
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V. Sasi Kumar  
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From: "V. Sasi Kumar" <sasi....@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:59:08 +0530
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 12:29 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me

On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 10:40 +0530, Manilal K M wrote:
> We should also provide proofs for all the facts(URL or press reports).

At least, as far as possible. Where we cannot, we can say, something
like, "We understand that ...."

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Praveen A  
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From: "Praveen A" <prav...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:58:30 -0800
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 12:58 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
2009/1/5 V. Sasi Kumar <sasi....@gmail.com>:

> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:59 +0530, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM

> Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
> specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
> agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
> instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
> Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
> like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
> identify where the problem is and take corrective action.

Yes. It is a draft with just the points we could list. Community
inputs like this is needed before we can finalise it.

folks,

Its a wiki, so participate.

- Praveen
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Manilal K M  
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From: "Manilal K M" <libreg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:42:32 +0530
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 1:12 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
2009/1/6 V. Sasi Kumar <sasi....@gmail.com>:

Government websites  using proprietary technology:

1. http://www.infokerala.org
2. http://www.lsg.kerala.gov.in
3. http://news.kerala.nic.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
4. http://ikm.gov.in
5. http://keralataxes.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
6. http://www.keralaculture.org
7. http://www.civilsupplieskerala.gov.in/
8. http://keralamvd.gov.in/ (all the services are developed using
proprietary technology)

Sites using non-standard technology. (Government insists unicode fonts
for electronic communication. But the following sites still use
proprietary fonts refer:
http://www.keralaitmission.org/web/updates/MalUnicode.pdf)
1. http://www.thalikkulampanchayat.in
2. http://www.vellanad.org
3. http://www.corporationofthrissur.net/
4. http://www.corporationofcochin.net
5. http://www.karshikakeralam.gov.in/

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Praveen A  
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From: "Praveen A" <prav...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 22:24:22 -0800
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 1:24 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
2009/1/5 Manilal K M <libreg...@gmail.com>:

> Government websites  using proprietary technology:

Manilal, please add it to the wiki.
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Manilal K M  
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From: "Manilal K M" <libreg...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:04:13 +0530
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2009 1:34 am
Subject: Re: [fsug-tvm] Re: Microsoft , Tata , KVAT and Me
2009/1/6 Praveen A <prav...@gmail.com>:

> 2009/1/5 Manilal K M <libreg...@gmail.com>:
>> Government websites  using proprietary technology:

> Manilal, please add it to the wiki.

Done. I didn't included the standards issue(unicode compatibility),
because it's slightly off-topic.
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