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It is the bottom line
ashik salahudeen
. Please vote for this story there.
V. Sasi Kumar
changing this situation? They could either specify a text format that
the traders can fill in or in some way support all platforms. We can get
signatures from our members and even the public.
Best
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Abilash kp
സി.എം. നും എഫ്.എം.നേയും ശശികുമാര്‍ സാറടക്കമുള്ള പ്രധാന പ്രവര്‍ത്തകര്‍ നേരിട്ട് കാണണം.
ഈ വിഷയം മാധ്യമങ്ങളുടെ ശ്രദ്ധയിലും കൊണ്ടുവരണം.
ashik salahudeen
V. Sasi Kumar
നമ്മള്‍ ഇപ്പോള്‍ ദേഷ്യപ്പെടുകയോ വെപ്രാളപ്പെടുകയോ ചെയ്യേണ്ടതില്ല.
സര്‍ക്കാര്‍ നയം മാറ്റിയതായി നമുക്കറിവില്ല. അതുകൊണ്ടു് നമ്മളിപ്പോള്‍
ചെയ്യേണ്ടതു് ഇക്കാര്യം ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട മന്ത്രിയെ അറിയിക്കുക എന്നുള്ളതാണു്. ഈ
ഗ്രൂപ്പിനു തന്നെ ഒരു കത്തു് തയാറാക്കി മന്ത്രിയ്ക്കയയ്ക്കാവുന്നതാണു്.
ഗ്രൂപ്പിലുള്ളവര്‍ക്കെല്ലാം ഒപ്പിട്ടയയ്ക്കാം. ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട മന്ത്രി ഒന്നും
ചെയ്യുന്നില്ല എങ്കില്‍ മുഖ്യമന്ത്രിയ്ക്കു് എഴുതാം. എന്നിട്ടും ഒന്നും
സംഭവിച്ചില്ലെങ്കില്‍ നമുക്കു് മന്ത്രിമാരെ കണ്ടു സംസാരിക്കാം. ഇടതുപക്ഷം
ഇതുവരെ നമ്മളെ അനുകൂലിച്ചിട്ടുണ്ടല്ലൊ. നമുക്കു് ശുഭപ്രതീക്ഷയോടെതന്നെ
നീങ്ങാം.
i.p.murali
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തീര്‍ച്ചയായും. അതുപോലെ പത്രാധിപര്‍ക്കുള്ള കത്തുകള്‍ വഴിയും മറ്റും ഇതു
കൂടുതല്‍ പേരുടെ ശ്രദ്ധയില്‍ കൊണ്ടുവരണം.
vipin kumar
Is there anybody else faced this issue ?
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Rajkumar S
> What do you think about FSUG drafting a letter to the FM and CM about
> changing this situation? They could either specify a text format that
> the traders can fill in or in some way support all platforms. We can get
> signatures from our members and even the public.
In the mean time is there any hacker who can provide an open office
equivalent macro?
raj
Aneesh A
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On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Sebin Jacob wrote:
> Here is a mail that appeared in fsug-tvm. Its better to stop the argument
> From: Parameswaran D
> Anybody visited the www.keralataxes.in for VAT e-filing ?
> From 1st of Jan 2009 onwards e-filing of VAT returns is compulsory for all
> the dealers in Kerala.
The finance department still uses proprietary stuff. They seem to be
holding on to licensed proprietary material from earlier years. The
website http://www.finance.kerala.gov.in and many other things have
been done with GNU-GPLed s/w, but the fact is the department staff has
never been reformed (apparently).
It seems they use Adobe distiller, Pagemaker and more.
Are there no FOSS based solutions for all the other central tax forms?
Best
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Param
http://www.keralataxes.in/postQueries.aspx
Let them address the issue professionally
Parameswaran D
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V. Sasi Kumar
> Request submitted for providing Open Office Calc Template through
> http://www.keralataxes.in/postQueries.aspx
> Let them address the issue professionally
Thank you for your initiative.
I think we can also initiate drafting a letter to the Minister. What do
others think?
ashik salahudeen
V. Sasi Kumar
> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM
>
Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
identify where the problem is and take corrective action.
Manilal K M
>
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:59 +0530, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM
>>
> Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
> specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
> agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
> instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
> Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
> like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
> identify where the problem is and take corrective action.
>
+1
We should also provide proofs for all the facts(URL or press reports).
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V. Sasi Kumar
> We should also provide proofs for all the facts(URL or press reports).
At least, as far as possible. Where we cannot, we can say, something
like, "We understand that ...."
Praveen A
>
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 09:59 +0530, ashik salahudeen wrote:
>> http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM
>>
> Took a quick look at the letter. I think it is better to point out
> specific issues, rather than making general statements like "Government
> agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely." Let us write, for
> instance, something like "We understand that KSEB is opting to use
> Oracle, a proprietary software, when there are Free Software options
> like PostgreSQL". This will make it easier for the concerned people to
> identify where the problem is and take corrective action.
>
Yes. It is a draft with just the points we could list. Community
inputs like this is needed before we can finalise it.
folks,
Its a wiki, so participate.
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Government websites using proprietary technology:
1. http://www.infokerala.org
2. http://www.lsg.kerala.gov.in
3. http://news.kerala.nic.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
4. http://ikm.gov.in
5. http://keralataxes.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
6. http://www.keralaculture.org
7. http://www.civilsupplieskerala.gov.in/
8. http://keralamvd.gov.in/ (all the services are developed using
proprietary technology)
Sites using non-standard technology. (Government insists unicode fonts
for electronic communication. But the following sites still use
proprietary fonts refer:
http://www.keralaitmission.org/web/updates/MalUnicode.pdf)
1. http://www.thalikkulampanchayat.in
2. http://www.vellanad.org
3. http://www.corporationofthrissur.net/
4. http://www.corporationofcochin.net
5. http://www.karshikakeralam.gov.in/
Praveen A
> Government websites using proprietary technology:
Manilal, please add it to the wiki.
Manilal K M
> 2009/1/5 Manilal K M <libr...@gmail.com>:
>> Government websites using proprietary technology:
>
> Manilal, please add it to the wiki.
Done. I didn't included the standards issue(unicode compatibility),
because it's slightly off-topic.
V. Sasi Kumar
>
> Government websites using proprietary technology:
>
> 1. http://www.infokerala.org
> 2. http://www.lsg.kerala.gov.in
> 3. http://news.kerala.nic.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
> 4. http://ikm.gov.in
> 5. http://keralataxes.in/ (Site optimised for IE)
> 6. http://www.keralaculture.org
> 7. http://www.civilsupplieskerala.gov.in/
> 8. http://keralamvd.gov.in/ (all the services are developed using
> proprietary technology)
>
>
> Sites using non-standard technology. (Government insists unicode fonts
> for electronic communication. But the following sites still use
> proprietary fonts refer:
> http://www.keralaitmission.org/web/updates/MalUnicode.pdf)
> 1. http://www.thalikkulampanchayat.in
> 2. http://www.vellanad.org
> 3. http://www.corporationofthrissur.net/
> 4. http://www.corporationofcochin.net
> 5. http://www.karshikakeralam.gov.in/
This is good. I think we can stress on government sites first. If there
are sites that are stated as designed for use with IE, we can include
them also. Another point is to see where all documents are made
available in, or required to be submitted in proprietary formats.
If we can gather even a good part of such information, it would be a
good to-do list for the government or IT department.
sajith kumar
Sebin Jacob
Syam Krishnan
http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/An_Open_Letter_To_Kerala_CM
1. The issue of keralataxes.in can be brought first, as it is a more serious issue than websites hosted using proprietary software.
2. Split 'Issues of Concern' and specific cases/complaints to two different sections. The 'issues of concern' can have very general statements like 'Government agencies are purchasing proprietary software widely'.
3. The use of abbreviation 'IE' can be replaced with Internet Explorer (or define "IE" as Microsoft Internet Explorer). Using "IE" everywhere makes it look like geek speak :-)
4. "order a judicial inquiry to ascertain facts on the concerns raised here" - A judicial inquiry?? Aren't we asking a bit too much? If we can point out a specific scandal or wrong-doing, then it's justified. But most of the points we raise are because of some officials being accustomed to proprietary software or ignorant of free software.
5. "fix responsibility on officials concerned and apportion blame" - I didn't like the "apportion blame" part. IMHO, that suits a rant than a formal serious letter.
6. The plural of software is just software.
7. "Recent purchase of laptops for secretariat full of M$" - should have better form and substitute M$ with Microsoft. Sounds more like a rant. And low availability of laptops with GNU/Linux (or FreeDOS followed by installation of GNU/Linux) is a fact.
8. I think we should also offer a translation in Malayalam.
regards,
Syam
Syam Krishnan
A news item regarding this in the New Age Business Daily:
പക്ഷേ, താങ്കളുടെ ഒരു കമന്റില്‍, ചില്ലുകള്‍ ശരിയായികാണിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്.
ശ്യാം
Sebin Jacob
and even if you know by yourself that the purchases in govt departments were in Microsoft platform, if you don't have valid evidence to prove it, better omit it. There should not be ambiguity and beating the bush.
Sebin
aashiks
Sebin Jacob
ആണവച്ചില്ലുകളാണല്ലോ... :-(
പക്ഷേ, താങ്കളുടെ ഒരു കമന്റില്‍, ചില്ലുകള്‍ ശരിയായികാണിക്കുന്നുണ്ട്.
ശ്യാം
ഞാന്‍ യൂണിക്കോഡ് എഴുതുന്നതു് പഴയ ചില്ലുപയോഗിച്ചാണു്. ഇന്‍സ്ക്രിപ്റ്റാണു് ഉപയോഗിക്കുന്ന ഇന്‍പുട്ട് മെഥേഡ്. എന്നാല്‍ ലൈവ് സയന്‍സിലെ പോസ്റ്റുകള്‍ ഒരെണ്ണമൊഴികെ എല്ലാം പത്രത്തിനുവേണ്ടി എഴുതിയവയാണു്. (വിന്‍ഡോസില്‍ പേജ്മേക്കറില്‍.) ആസ്കിയിലുള്ളതു് വരമൊഴി ഉപയോഗിച്ചു് കണ്‍വേര്‍ട്ട് ചെയ്യുമ്പോള്‍ ആണവച്ചില്ല് കടന്നുവരുന്നു.
കണ്‍വേര്‍ഷനായി പയ്യന്‍സ് ഉപയോഗിച്ചു് നോക്കിയെങ്കിലും അക്ഷരങ്ങള്‍ മാറിപ്പോകുന്നുണ്ടു്. ആണവച്ചില്ലുണ്ടെന്നൊഴിച്ചാല്‍ വരമൊഴിയുടെ ഫോണ്ട് കണ്‍വേര്‍ഷന്‍ ഏറെക്കുറെ പെര്‍ഫെക്ട് ആണു്. (നല്ലതിനെ അംഗീകരിക്കണമല്ലോ) പിന്നെ ആണവച്ചില്ലിനെ പിടിച്ചു് പഴയ മട്ടിലുള്ള ചില്ലാക്കാന്‍ നിഷാന്ത് നസീര്‍ ദാ ഇവിടെ ഒരു ഫിക്സ് ഇട്ടിട്ടില്ലേ, ചുമ്മാ ഡൌണ്‍ലോഡെന്നേ...
സെബിന്‍
Param
the data and Text File format provided in the site.
Instructions .....
4. The file names used for uploading shall be 'purchase.txt' and
'sales.txt' respectively.
5. The files may be prepared by using any software including an
extension in their billing software.
6. For those who are interested, an Excel form for preparing these
files is available for downloading in the e-Filing home page. After
filling /populating data from any external systems, press VALIDATE
button to generate the 'purchase.txt' and 'sales.txt'.
7. More tools for preparing these annexure files will be published
shortly.
Regards,
Parameswaran D
----- Original Message -----
From: <brijes...@cmcltd.com>
To: "Inspg.Asst.Commissioner (IB)" <iaci...@gmail.com>
Cc: <pa...@param.net.in>; <dee...@cmcltd.com>; <itmc....@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: Fwd: MS Excel Template Query From from Keralataxes.in
> Sir,
>
> Pls see the instructions in the 'latest eFiling circulars' available in
> the home page. A tool in Open Office would be provided shortly, at present
> the data can be uploaded in the form of text files. Format provided in
> the
> 'latest eFiling circulars' .
>
>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: <pa...@param.net.in>
>> Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:05 AM
>> Subject: MS Excel Template Query From from Keralataxes.in
>> To: vathe...@gmail.com
>> Cc: iaci...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> I am using openoffice and the Excel Macro for validation and creation of
>> upload file is not working in OpenOffice Calc
>> Please provide template in OpenOffice Calc
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> B.S.THYAGARAJABABU
>> INSPECTING ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER
>> INVESTIGATION BRANCH
>> COMMERCIAL TAXES DEPARTMENT
>> THIRUVANANTHAPURAM.
>>
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Sebin Jacob
Sebin.
Syam Krishnan
> They are distributing an old version of Adobe Acrobat for free. Its
> given for download in the bottom of that page. Do they have legal
> right to do so? Adobe's license agreement normally does not allow the
> distribution of that software by third parties.
That shouldn't bother us, should it? Anyway, Adobe may have a
redistribution license for Adobe Reader. I had once acquired a
redistribution license for the Flash player (although then from
Macromedia). Considering the number of third party software CDs
containing Adobe Reader, that's very much probable.
Syam
aashiks
Anoop John
> 7. More tools for preparing these annexure files will be published shortly.
I am working on converting the xls to an ods. I have not worked on ods
macros before but it looks straightforward. Is there anybody else
working on this?
Cheers
Anoop John
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Somebody please update the status of this issue.
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Sebin Jacob
The commercial taxes department is yet to come up with a remedial action. But, SMC team has already acted upon it. Anoop John, CEO of Zyxware has built a macro for OpenOffice 2.4 and 3.0 which is also likely to be working in Ksrpead, StarOffice etc.
You can access it from http://www.zyxware.com/articles/2009/01/16/openoffice-spreadsheet-template-for-filing-kvat-returns-ported-by-zyxware
regards,
Sebin
aashiks
the credit goes to Anoop John and his team alone. Anoop John is a member and
friend of SMC, but the credit for this work is his alone. :)
Regards,
Ashik S
stranger in black.....
>> 7. More tools for preparing these annexure files will be published shortly.
>
> I am working on converting the xls to an ods. I have not worked on ods
> macros before but it looks straightforward. Is there anybody else
> working on this?
This does not contain the details about Cess.
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