They preach free software, but practise Mac, Microsoft

[cherian aby]

The new indian express report on FSFS

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=They+preach+free+software,+but+practise+Mac,+Microsoft&artid=SFCQlXHmOpc=&SectionID=1ZkF/jmWuSA=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=X7s7i|xOZ5Y=&SEO=

[Shino Jacob]

any takers?

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:30 PM, cherian aby <aby...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The new indian express report on FSFS

http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/story.aspx?Title=They+preach+free+software,+but+practise+Mac,+Microsoft&artid=SFCQlXHmOpc=&SectionID=1ZkF/jmWuSA=&MainSectionID=fyV9T2jIa4A=&SectionName=X7s7i|xOZ5Y=&SEO=

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[Arun M]

Hi,

 

 I use a white Macbook owned by Kerala State IT Mission (my employer) and I run free software on it.

 

Success of FSFS  conference has  irritated many people, particularly some powerful.

 

Regarding other wild and baseless aligations by the reporter as part of this series, respective

organisations and individuals will be seeking legal and other remedies. I am not commenting

on that now.

 

regards

arun.

[Rajkumar S]

Quoting Arun M <ar...@gnu.org.in>:

> I use a white Macbook owned by Kerala State IT Mission (my employer) and I
> run free software on it.

Which flavor of Linux are you using? How well does it run? any missing
drivers? What are your impressions of Macbook as a hardware?

raj

[Arun M]

>  I use a white Macbook owned by Kerala State IT Mission (my employer) and I
> run free software on it.

Which flavor of Linux are you using? How well does it run? any missing
drivers? What are your impressions of Macbook as a hardware?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook4-1/Intrepid

Some how machine freezes quite often, every 1-2 hrs. No clue why.
Need to try some other distro(Debian testing ? Fedora 10 ?).

Not very impressive expect for the touchpad and keyboard (very good).
It reduced the pain I was having in fingers and shoulder due to long
period of use.

Webcam/Wifi not working properly(did not explore much).

regards
arun

[sunil s]

Debian is good in all matters
RHEL also but it requires much hardware requirement (minimum 512 MB RaM for reasonable performance) also less hardware support than debian
but RHEL has specially customized to server environment
I think RHEL is easier on server but for a desktop home user debian is the best

[Praveen A]

2008/12/19 Arun M <ar...@gnu.org.in>:

> Some how machine freezes quite often, every 1-2 hrs. No clue why.
> Need to try some other distro(Debian testing ? Fedora 10 ?).

You might to try GNU-Darwin
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/

- Praveen
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[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

I mean by post. How many core govt spent? Is there a provision that any one could get any Linux CD free ? How many outlets are there from govt? and where goes these cores when many colleges of kerala university are still with windows. many students just heared of linux !!

Iam with a view that the missions going on here is not on the proper way.

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[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

What about the 25 Lakh ;) ?? Any reports of the expence , like open source. is it open? and it should be noted that the free software movement in kerala is hijacked by the leftist. It should be open to all.

( Me searched days online if a free cd will be provided for Debian linux by mail like ubuntu. no hope in kerala   )

[ashik salahudeen]

> Iam with a view that the missions going on here is not on the proper way.

Well we should be doing something about it don't you think ?

[Anivar Aravind]

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
<everlov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ( Me searched days online if a free cd will be provided for Debian linux by
> mail like ubuntu. no hope in kerala )

Free as in Freedom, Not as in Free CDs

Anivar

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

"we should be doing something about it" 

But iam telling about wasting money by the government in the name of Free Software.

Iam with this opinion on many facts. The basic facilities of our cities even in hell and the govt spenting crores, i cant go without saying something. It would be great if they atleast provide some outlets for linux and impossing it with colleges.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:08 PM, ashik salahudeen <aas...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Iam with a view that the missions going on here is not on the proper way.

Well we should be doing something about it don't you think ?

[Shino Jacob]

so how is this money spent?I think by organising a conference in some place other than Mascot , would have attracted more public and would have costed less.
I am seeing lot of  criticisms  coming from all parts of society  not just about the conference but also on other aspects of FS.

I dont know if its hijacked by leftists, if so, its a matter of concern,

I am of the opinion that giving away free cds doesnt make FS popular, but by enlightening public about FS will.

Ever since I started using Free softwares, I talk to everyone about their merits, not everyone listens or cares about this.
To them windows is also free(the so call illegal versions ), they are not worried about the legal or moral aspect
By teaching public about this only by doing this , we  can extend the usage  FS among ordinary people.

[ashik salahudeen]

Shino, you are correct. That is how we should act. Voicing opinions
are good. But it should also be constructive. What Shino suggested is
a course of action. Not just an opinion. I would like everyone who
make an opinion to suggest a course of action - not for the government
to take, but for us the people to take. Everyone can make noise. But
when the time comes to actually do something, there are but a handful.
Always. i guess that is how things are. Merely suggesting what
government should do on a public mailinglist makes nothing happen.
Instead set out for action ourselves. Encourage others to do so. I
think that is how groups like us become effective.

regards,
Ashik S

[Praveen A]

2008/12/20 ashik salahudeen <aas...@gmail.com>:

Very well put Shino and Ashik !! It is very easy to criticise
something, but people value your opinion more if you also show you
mean it by your actions - what you have been doing about it or what
you plan to do about it.

[i.p.murali]

‘അമ്മയെ തല്ലിയാലും രണ്ട് പക്ഷം’ - എത്ര ശരി അല്ലേ?


On Dec 20, 7:40 pm, "Praveen A" <prav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2008/12/20 ashik salahudeen <aash...@gmail.com>:

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

Yes i also mean the same by the CD matter. Before doing such big conferences, first we must try to remove the pirated windows and place Linux there, in the pcs here.  I think this should be the fist move from govt. Giving some private agency a good fund will bring FS to heaven. I dont understand why govt do this? and that company done some asset management i cant find any code in the net from there site , i cant even get the description about the project. really fun, FS only in name.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM, i.p.murali <ipmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

'അമ്മയെ തല്ലിയാലും രണ്ട് പക്ഷം' - എത്ര ശരി അല്ലേ?

[ashik salahudeen]

There are communties and people in Kerala who are actually doing
things to change this situation. Are you helping any of them ? Are you
one of them ?

2008/12/23 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS <everlov...@gmail.com>:

> Yes i also mean the same by the CD matter. Before doing such big
> conferences, first we must try to remove the pirated windows and
> place Linux there, in the pcs here. I think this should be the fist move
> from govt. Giving some private agency a good fund will bring FS to heaven. I
> dont understand why govt do this? and that company done some asset
> management i cant find any code in the net from there site , i cant even get
> the description about the project. really fun, FS only in name.
>

> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:04 PM, i.p.murali <ipmurali@gmai

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

Yes i have a copy of red hat linux and i tried to install it where ever i go for OS install (friends,relatives and some institutions). I dont know if they use it but of course i say about the importance. "communties" - No it was a single fight from me,is it a curse ? and me also not so learned about linux, i said na lack of availability of the OS !!

[ashik salahudeen]

What do you mean by lack of availability ? is it that you are unable
to obtain copies of the OS ? If that is the case, then please visit :
http://www.zyxware.com/requestcd/ .

There is no need to "fight". We just have to do what we have to do . :D .

Regards,
Ashik S

[.Kenney Jacob]

Santhosh,

You dont need anyone's approval. The curse of FS movement is that some think its their monopoly. And the FSF india board clearly says they are not a democracy. So no need to worry about them.

http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob

[james mathew]

On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
<everlov...@gmail.com> wrote:
and that company done some asset
> management i cant find any code in the net from there site , i cant even get
> the description about the project. really fun, FS only in name.
>

Just because you are ignorant about something, don't jump to
conclusions that everything that you don't know is bad.

When a software is made/customised for a client, it is normally the
right of the client to decide what to do with the code. So you may not
be lucky searching for the code on the developer's site.

James
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[Sebin Jacob]

Kenney,

What are you talking about? How could a free software movement be monopolistic? What are the circumstances that lead you stating so? Please elaborate.

Sebin

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[Praveen A]

2008/12/23 Sebin Jacob <sebin...@gmail.com>:

> Kenney,
>
> What are you talking about? How could a free software movement be
> monopolistic? What are the circumstances that lead you stating so? Please
> elaborate.
>
> Sebin

May be hanging around with monopolies makes you believe everything is
a monopoly.

മഞ്ഞപ്പിത്തം പിടിച്ചവനു് നോക്കിയാലെല്ലാം മഞ്ഞയായി കാണുമെന്നോ മറ്റോ പറയാറില്ലേ.

-Praveen

[.Kenney Jacob]

http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues-1



http://www.kenneyjacob.com
Kenney Jacob

2008/12/24 Praveen A <pra...@gmail.com>

[Sebin Jacob]

Kenney,

I didn't see any thing that suggests, the FS movement to be monopolistic in the link, you have provided. Or if you are referring FSFI, if some organization suggests that they aren't democratic, that doesn't mean they support monopoly. FSFI has been registered as a company to prevent it from being hijacked by monopolistic ideas and a company cannot be cent per cent democratic. FSFI was instrumental in getting India's vote against OOXML format and they support various organisations working for FLOSS development.

There are volunteer organisations like SMC that was founded to leverage GNU/Linux localisation efforts and later even contributed much code for other projects like Dhwani - thanks to Santhosh Thottingal. Now, another SMC volunteer, Jinesh is working or Malayalam OCR. There are several other tools like Swanalekha, Payyans etc from SMC and fonts like Meera and Suruma. Onother contributor for SMC projects, Rajeev is working on Pango support in Scribus which could help Malayalam DTP possible in GNU/Linux. SMC too is not democratic in nature, for it has no organisational structure or committees to rule over - No president, secretery etc. And would you also call SMC to be monopolistic? Have you ever contributed even to the discussions regarding localisations for that matter? Please, before making allegations, try to clear your path record. I am afraid, if I am moving away from the subject. Still, if you were not allowed to conduct a seminar or was denied a stall space for a conference, that is not an enough reason to paint the whole FS movement to be monopolistic.

Sebin

2008/12/24 .Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com>

[Anivar Aravind]

2008/12/24 .Kenney Jacob <kenney...@gmail.com>:
>
>
> http://www.gnu.org.in/board-statement-on-recent-issues-1
>

Quote from Nagarjuna's mail

<quote>
FSF India is not meant to lead a mass movement, but it may support a
mass movement, or its members may join or lead such mass movements.
The members of the board are selected from the among the leads from
within the free software community of India, and the selected board
of directors members work democratically.

'not democratic' does not sound good. We can make an amendment to
the FAQ after hearing some more constructive criticism.
</quote>
http://mm.gnu.org.in/pipermail/fsf-friends/2008-November/005830.html

[Anivar Aravind]

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Sebin Jacob <sebin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are volunteer organisations like SMC that was founded to leverage
> GNU/Linux localisation efforts and later even contributed much code for
> other projects like Dhwani - thanks to Santhosh Thottingal. Now, another SMC
> volunteer, Jinesh is working or Malayalam OCR. There are several other tools
> like Swanalekha, Payyans etc from SMC and fonts like Meera and Suruma.
> Onother contributor for SMC projects, Rajeev is working on Pango support in
> Scribus which could help Malayalam DTP possible in GNU/Linux. SMC too is not
> democratic in nature, for it has no organisational structure or committees
> to rule over - No president, secretery etc. And would you also call SMC to
> be monopolistic? Have you ever contributed even to the discussions regarding
> localisations for that matter? Please, before making allegations, try to
> clear your path record. I am afraid, if I am moving away from the subject.

SMC is going to register soon. It is in the discussion for past one
year. It is not for controlling Online Community or Development
efforts. It is just to make a structure that can deal with other
Organisations, institutions and Government to bridge the gap between
Developer community and Knowledge society. Memberships will be open to
all who contributed to Swathanthra Malayalam Computing.

Anivar

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

Sorry if i said something about FS movement,i was just telling the governments investment in non public interest areas, or in the area where there is no benifit to the preach of Free softwares in the common people. This is what the news article point to.  In my openion all the goverment investment must go in preaching the softwares like Linux,Open Office etc.. and not in investing in any company. I dont understand investing a huge amount in a company will help the govt to preach FS .

[james mathew]

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS
<everlov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Office etc.. and not in investing in any company. I dont understand
> investing a huge amount in a company will help the govt to preach FS .
>

Can you elaborate?

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

Are you following the thread, iam telling about SPACE

http://acutedeveloper.blogspot.com

[Praveen A]

2008/12/27 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS <everlov...@gmail.com>:

> Are you following the thread, iam telling about SPACE

"SPACE is a registered society ".
http://space-kerala.org/node/10

It is not a company. Please check your facts before coming out with
wild allegations.

- Praveen

[Sasi Kumar]

2008/12/27 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS <everlov...@gmail.com>:

> Are you following the thread, iam telling about SPACE

The article in Indian Express contains many inaccuracies, to put it
mildly. For instance, it says that Arun is using a Mac laptop with
expensive Mac software. While the first part is true (the laptop
actually belongs to IT Mission), the second part is wrong. He has
GNU/Linux installed in it. The reporter could have, and should have,
verified facts before he writing such things. The article again says
that SPACE has been given crores of rupees, which is again false. As
an example, it says that for an asset management project, SPACE has
been allotted 25 lakhs, while the fact is that less than 2 lakhs only
has been given. The article reads like as though someone deliberately
wants to malign

--
V. Sasi Kumar
Free Software Foundation of India
Please see: http://swatantryam.blogspot.com/

[Sasi Kumar]

2008/12/27 Sasi Kumar <sasi...@gmail.com>:

> 2008/12/27 Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS <everlov...@gmail.com>:
>> Are you following the thread, iam telling about SPACE
>
> The article in Indian Express contains many inaccuracies, to put it
> mildly. For instance, it says that Arun is using a Mac laptop with
> expensive Mac software. While the first part is true (the laptop
> actually belongs to IT Mission), the second part is wrong. He has
> GNU/Linux installed in it. The reporter could have, and should have,
> verified facts before he writing such things. The article again says
> that SPACE has been given crores of rupees, which is again false. As
> an example, it says that for an asset management project, SPACE has
> been allotted 25 lakhs, while the fact is that less than 2 lakhs only
> has been given. The article reads like as though someone deliberately
> wants to malign

Sorry, the mail somehow got sent before I completed the sentence.

The article reads like as though someone deliberately wants to malign

SPACE. A formal response has been sent, and I hope Indian Express
publishes it.

Best

[Santhosh സന്തോഷ് VS]

I was actually shocked by hearing the 25 lakhs given to SPACE. It will be good if they(Express) apologies.