SI: Real IRA boss may control Provo arms
Danielle Ni Dhighe
Real IRA boss may control Provo arms;
Gardai fear group has the engineering capacity to develop its own weapons
By LIZ ALLEN, Crime Correspondent
A SIGNIFICANT part of the huge cache of weapons held by the IRA before it
called a ceasefire may now lie in the hands of the man at the helm of the
Real IRA, the terror organisation which planted the Omagh bomb.
The provisional movement has informed the Chairman of the Decommissioning
Body, General John de Chastelain, of the amount of weaponry and explosives
it held prior to the ceasefire. But it is now feared that the former
quartermaster-general of the IRA, whose position gave him unrivalled access
to the IRA's secret stash of weapons and explosives, may be the only
individual with knowledge of the location of most of the armoury.
The anti-ceasefire man from Dundalk may have control over a long list of
weapons and explosives, according to gardaí. These include: 2,470kg of
Semtex, 550 AKM assault rifles, 35 Druganov rifles, 70 Webley revolvers, 45
RPG-7 missiles, 10 rocket-launchers, 14 Taurus pistols, 10 general purpose
machine-guns, seven flame-throwers and eight SAM missiles.
As former QMG of the IRA, the 48-year-old man was the distributor of
weapons to operatives before the ceasefire. He was ousted by the IRA
leadership during a bitter row over the Mitchell Principles in November
1997.
The news that the weapons may be under the man's control comes after gardaí
conducted a series of successful hits against the Real IRA whose numbers
have almost trebled since it regrouped following the Omagh bomb in August
last year.
Prior to the Omagh bombing, it was believed that the RIRA's numbers were in
the region of 35, but new intelligence is now pointing to a significantly
increased membership of at least 90 for the organisation, whose hardline
members include some of the best technical minds in what used to be the
IRA's engineering unit. Gardaí also fear that the IRA's former engineering
supremo, a trained electrician from Inchicore in his mid-20s who left the
RIRA after Omagh, has rejoined the group. He is continuing, however, to
work as a courier in Dublin.
The Garda Commissioner, Pat Byrne, said this week that his intelligence
officers are concerned about the regrouped RIRA: "We do know at this stage
that they have reorganised their command structure ... and have the
capacity in terms of expertise to manufacture their own home-made
explosives."
Referring to the campaign against the organisation which has resulted in
several arrests and seizures of weapons and explosives over the past month,
the Commissioner added: "It's their engineering capacity which bothers us."
Anti-terrorist intelligence sources are now examining a theory that the
weapons and ammunition seized in Co Meath over the past week may not have
been recently imported, but may in fact be the original IRA stock over
which the RIRA's Chief of Staff once had control.
In particular, they are concerned about the powerful RPG-18 Russian
rocket-launcher seized from the group, along with a Beretta sub-machine
gun, an AK47 rifle, a pistol and 150 rounds of ammunition.
Initially, gardaí believed that the Russian rocket-launcher never seen here
before may have been imported from the man's widespread contacts throughout
Eastern Europe, but they are now examining the theory that the man may have
been using the RPG-18 as a prototype to develop similar weapons.
"It's what the Provos did in recent years before the ceasefire. When funds
were low and when weapons became too expensive to purchase, he found
prototypes and developed replicas. You could say this was his forte in his
latter years with the movement," a senior officer said last night.
Ben Madigan
Danielle Ni Dhighe <morr...@morrigan.net> wrote in message
news:381dfb36...@news.uswest.net...
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Don't be having an orgasm over this now, Danielle
If you can read, you would know I am in full support of the current ceasefires
and don't think a return to armed struggle is viable for any group at this
point.
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"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." - Helen Keller
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GoldenArse
morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
>Sunday Independent, 31 Oct 99
>
>Real IRA boss may control Provo arms;
>Gardai fear group has the engineering capacity to develop its own weapons
>By LIZ ALLEN, Crime Correspondent
This is actually true. Imagine that some mad bastard could wreck half this
island with no mandate from the people at all, except for the likes of
Bloke-Bird. Fuckin' mad when you think about it.
The One True Apostolic GoldenArse
Ireland's Favourite Son
SCI Man Of The Year 2000AD
hippo
undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good start.news:381e10b3...@news.uswest.net...
Sir Niffirg
>On Mon, 01 Nov 1999 20:43:31 GMT, the poster sometimes known as
>morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
>
>>Sunday Independent, 31 Oct 99
>>
>>Real IRA boss may control Provo arms;
>>Gardai fear group has the engineering capacity to develop its own weapons
>>By LIZ ALLEN, Crime Correspondent
>
>This is actually true. Imagine that some mad bastard could wreck half this
>island with no mandate from the people at all, except for the likes of
>Bloke-Bird. Fuckin' mad when you think about it.
>
Well, if he's they _only_ one who knows were they are......
--
George
This posting has been certified, just like the author.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots have
>undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good start.
Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle, merely
believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
fatherdes
>
> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots have
> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good
start.
>
> Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle,
merely
> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>
>
That is very fucking thoughtful of you. Mind you I cannot help being a
bit put out by your enthuasiasm for the option of people being shot in
my country when you are risking life and limb behind your PC. Now
please do not get me wrong and do not take this the wrong way but you
make me puke. What if I supported the bombing of scyscrapers in New
York or government buildings in Oklahoma on s.c.usa? Seriously; would
you like me to do that? Please answer; I want to fucking know. There
is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings that
there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
This (where I live) is a real country with real people and this so
called armed struggle of yours means people get shot and injured and
killed and bombed. You just sit behind your PC arguing and making
pompous statements.
Fr. Des
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> Danielle Ni Dhighe * morr...@morrigan.net * http://www.morrigan.net/
> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." - Helen Keller
>
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Before you buy.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
::Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle,
::merely believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
You know nothing - so shut the fuck up. I live in Ireland - you don't,
so piss off and mind your own business.
It's people like you that makes it so easy for the rest of the world to
be anti-American.
Well that and Ally McBeal.
unki
The Return of Anglo-Norman Deathsquad Apologist
Shangan Ave.) wrote:
>It's people like you that makes it so easy for the rest of the world to
>be anti-American.
>
>Well that and Ally McBeal.
Good grief. You're entirely correct.
Gavin Bailey
--
"North East Man Drowns"
The Aberdeen Press & Journal covering the loss of the "Titanic".
Ben Madigan
Too much ŁŁŁŁŁŁŁ$$$$$$ in drugs however.
Danielle Ni Dhighe <morr...@morrigan.net> wrote in message
news:381e10b3...@news.uswest.net...
> "Ben Madigan" <benma...@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Don't be having an orgasm over this now, Danielle
>
> If you can read, you would know I am in full support of the current
ceasefires
> and don't think a return to armed struggle is viable for any group at this
> point.
>
> **************************************************************************
WhiteWolf
>In article <381fe990...@news.uswest.net>,
> morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
>> "hippo" <hi...@southernsudan.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots have
>> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good
>start.
>>
>> Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle,
>merely
>> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
Snip
>There
>is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings that
>there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
Untrue Des...
Ray
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Email: ra...@iol.ie
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/7652
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Alex Tyrrell
> "hippo" <hi...@southernsudan.net> wrote:
>
> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots have
> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good start.
>
> Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle,
merely
> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>
Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to us when it is appropriate to
incinerate members of a local dog club at their annual dinner? When is it
appropriate to open fire with automatic weapons at Christians worshipping in
their church? When is it appropriate to bomb a remembrance service? When is
it appropriate to blow to pieces innocent men, women and children, even
babies in prams? I have seen first hand the results of what you call a
'tactic' you republican supporting bastard!
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3820892f....@news.ix.netcom.com...
> On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:39:14 GMT, fatherdes <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <381fe990...@news.uswest.net>,
> > morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots have
> >> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good
> >start.
> >>
> >> Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable principle,
> >merely
> >> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>
>
> >There
> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings that
> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
>
> Untrue Des...
>
> Ray
Fuck me, the wolf's back. How the fuck would you know. Your just another
fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
JAT
WhiteWolf
wrote:
Snip
>> >There
>> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings that
>> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
>>
>> Untrue Des...
>
>Fuck me, the wolf's back.
I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
> How the fuck would you know. Your just another
>fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are! I've
seen the support, and know it's there...
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>When is
>it appropriate to blow to pieces innocent men, women and children, even
>babies in prams?
Why don't you tell me, you Loyalist fuckwit.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
wrote:
>(The Boy from Shangan Ave.) wrote:
>It's people like you that makes it so easy for the rest of the world to
>be anti-American.
>
>Well that and Ally McBeal.
>
> Good grief. You're entirely correct.
>
> Gavin Bailey
Mind you, I saw this other monstosity on TV3 (where else?) the other
night called Will and Grace that was even more bizzarre.
unki
hippo
GoldenArse > This is actually true. Imagine that some mad bastard could
wreck half this
> island with no mandate from the people at all, except for the likes of
> Bloke-Bird. Fuckin' mad when you think about it.
>
the entire island including military stocks and those held by construction
companies wouldn't level the Pins less half the island.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>please do not get me wrong and do not take this the wrong way but you
>make me puke.
Good.
>What if I supported the bombing of scyscrapers in New
>York or government buildings in Oklahoma on s.c.usa?
I actually think the NY bombing was justified. So go ahead and advocate it on
s.c.usa.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>You know nothing - so shut the fuck up. I live in Ireland - you don't,
>so piss off and mind your own business.
You're so sweet, Unki.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are! I've
> seen the support, and know it's there...
>
> Ray
I would like to discuss your potential bi-sexuality in greater depth if
that's ok? Don't worry about Lee as my wife came to terms with my own
occasional desire to thumb through the IKEA catalogue while humming the
soundtrack from the Wizard of Oz. Any mountain can be climbed.
If you agree to this, I feel that it can be a very positive learning
experience for all of us. I strongly believe that you won't have
compomised any of your existing manliness if by the time this
exploration is completed you have a sudden urge to walk a pair a
Dalmations through McArthur Park on your way to return your Wonder Woman
'The Lost Episodes' videos to Blockbuster. This will only enhance your
personality and allow you to enjoy certain experiences that you would
have missed out on.
My fee is £200 a hour and I will conduct the session in a bad German
accent if you prefer.
unki
Sheela na Gig
wrote:
>>My fee is Ł200 a hour and I will conduct the session in a bad German
>>accent if you prefer.
>>
>>unki
>
>Unki, whatever it is you're sniffing, stop it! :-)
>
No please, carry on. I've got some money to burn and I'd contribute at
least five quid an hour if the therapy was conducted in a public
manner.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> They have been the greatest cause of human
> misery since probably the ninth century.
That's when Bohs last won the league right?
unki
Bob Spowart
hippo wrote in message ...
>
>fatherdes <fath...@hotmail.com> responds to message from Danielle who
>said> > Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable
>principle,
>> merely
>> > believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>> >
>>
>> called armed struggle of yours means people get shot and injured and
>> killed and bombed. You just sit behind your PC arguing and making
>> pompous statements.
>>
>> Fr. Des
>>
>to whom the end justifies the means.
It is about time that people realised that the end is corrupted by the
means. If repression and murder is used to further an otherwise admirable
objective, then that objective becomes dishonoured.
Thus has Republicanism been besmirched.
Bob
WhiteWolf
>My fee is £200 a hour and I will conduct the session in a bad German
>accent if you prefer.
>
>unki
Unki, whatever it is you're sniffing, stop it! :-)
Regards,
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Unki, whatever it is you're sniffing, stop it! :-)
This explains why Unki knows so much about drugs in Ireland.
fatherdes
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:39:14 GMT, fatherdes <fath...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> >In article <381fe990...@news.uswest.net>,
> > morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
> >> "hippo" <hi...@southernsudan.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots
have
> >> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good
> >start.
> >>
principle,
> >merely
> >> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>
>
> >There
> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings
that
> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
>
> Untrue Des...
>
I am referring to her pals in the IRSP and/or 32SM. If they were to
stand in an election here (luckily for them they do not believe in them)
they would be lucky to get a 100 votes. They are a fringe looney
movement and effin dangerous. In the US, there is considerable support
in local areas for anti government groups and Dannielle herself has said
she supports them. I was being extreme with the government building
thing (the US equivalent of Omagh) but both were part of what she calls
"armed struggle". She likes to keep an open mind about the use of this
"armed struggle" here which makes me puke.
Des
> Ray
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> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/7652
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>
--
Aleister Crowley's Cat
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:09:41 -0000, "Alex Tyrrell"
<xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >> >There
> >> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings
that
> >> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
> >>
> >> Untrue Des...
> >
>
> I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
>
Good for you. And perhaps you can answer my question now...
> > How the fuck would you know. Your just another
> >fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
>
> I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are!
Ooh....what gives you the right to Mr Tyrell, who was also born on the
island of Ireland is any less Irish? He may give his allegianceto a
different flag than you do, but is he any less Irish for doing so?
I don't think so.
> I've
> seen the support, and know it's there...
>
> Ray
Okay, let us lump parties such as SF, UDP, PUP, IRSP et al together. How
much support to they get in the whole of Ireland?
Regards,
Dave
--
The Legions of the Black Moon - the unofficial Bal-Sagoth homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/5885/index.html
fatherdes
don't,
> >so piss off and mind your own business.
>
> You're so sweet, Unki.
>
>
Well at least he is not advocating the use of "armed struggle" in your
country. I think that is reasonably polite of him. You, on the other
hand, like to keep an open mind on the potential use of shooting and
bombing in my country and in our nearest neighnours. That, I find, a
little bit disgusting, especially as you will never have to suffer the
consequences of this little pecadillo of yours, safe as you are, several
thousand miles away.
Des
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> Danielle Ni Dhighe * morr...@morrigan.net * http://www.morrigan.net/
> "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." - Helen Keller
>
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>
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fatherdes
>
> >please do not get me wrong and do not take this the wrong way but you
> >make me puke.
>
> Good.
>
> >What if I supported the bombing of scyscrapers in New
> >York or government buildings in Oklahoma on s.c.usa?
>
> I actually think the NY bombing was justified. So go ahead and
advocate it on
> s.c.usa.
>
>
Ehhhh, I would rather not seeing as I do not believe it is right to
plant bombs in order to kill people. What about Oklahoma? Was that
justified?? I am happy for you that you were not so perturbed by having
a building bombed in NY but I would like you to fuck off and stop
considering the "armed struggle" an option in my country. I think it is
a bit inconsiderate.
fatherdes
>
> >When is
> >it appropriate to blow to pieces innocent men, women and children,
even
> >babies in prams?
>
> Why don't you tell me, you Loyalist fuckwit.
>
He asked you the question; he does not know the answer. That is not a
very good answer. What do you expect him to reply?
hippo
principle,
> merely
> > believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
> >
>
> called armed struggle of yours means people get shot and injured and
> killed and bombed. You just sit behind your PC arguing and making
> pompous statements.
>
> Fr. Des
>
Padre (if that's what you are) Danielle's words are those of the ideologue
world, is filled with them. Flinty eyed revolutionaries murdered 16 bishops
and 6000 regular and lay clergy in Spain from '36 to '39 in the name of the
revolution. Did they have any real understanding of the revolution they
murdered so freely for? Hardly, since anyone with the slightest
understanding of history and human nature could clearly see that neither
Marxism nor anarchism would, could, work in a real world. So they killed in
the end for nothing. In a way it is impossible for them to be reasoned with
because the 'causa' has become inextricably interwoven with their own egos.
They ARE the movement, whatever that movement may be. They have been the
greatest cause of human misery since at least the end of the ninth century,
all the while proclaiming their intent to perfect or 'save' that world.
Communism, Anarchism, National Socialism, Nationalism, Marxism and exclusive
and expansive religious movements; a plague on all your houses!
hippo
fatherdes <fath...@hotmail.com> wrote in part in response to Danielle>
>
> This (where I live) is a real country with real people and this so
> called armed struggle of yours means people get shot and injured and
> killed and bombed. You just sit behind your PC arguing and making
> pompous statements.
>
> Fr. Des
>
ideologue, where the end justifies the means. The world, tragically for that
world, is filled with them. They have been the greatest cause of human
misery since probably the ninth century. They can not be reasoned with since
the 'idea' or cause or movement has become inextricably woven together with
their egos. They have become, in a sense, the movement its' self. Most of
them do not even understand what they do. Communism, Marxism. Anarchism,
Nationalism, and exclusive expansionist religious movements: a plague on all
your houses!
hippo
later the missing post reappears where I didn't want it. It is probably user
failure rather than the fault of the ISP.
hippo
Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote > 'Wrecking' isn't necessarily physical.
>
Good point. I am well reproved. Sorry arse.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> No please, carry on. I've got some money to burn and I'd contribute at
> least five quid an hour if the therapy was conducted in a public
> manner.
Yes you are right. I should take it upon myself to deal with the sexual
problems of this group. God only knows you are all well aware of mine.
Let's all us come to terms with our jiggly bits and how they relate to
what we post. Let's open the closets, put on the ladies underware and
conduct the session in a post-Celtic, pan European context.
i.e; Patient A: My fanny itches!
Patient B: Then you should have ridden that knacker from Finglas
while in Tenerife...
and so on.
then we can start on the alien abduction stuff...
unki
hippo
Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote in message
news:I80gONhehIUAH0...@4ax.com...
> 'Wrecking' isn't necessarily physical.
>
Good point, I am well reproved.
Yours trollishly
hippo
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>lsch...@ix.netcom.com (WhiteWolf) wrote:
>
>>Unki, whatever it is you're sniffing, stop it! :-)
>
>This explains why Unki knows so much about drugs in Ireland.
I missed the discussion about drugs in Ireland... I did see some
people attacking the INLA and others for being drug suppliers,
but that's just black propaganda as far as I'm concerned...
WhiteWolf
>In article <3820892f....@news.ix.netcom.com>,
> ra...@iol.ie wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:39:14 GMT, fatherdes <fath...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> >In article <381fe990...@news.uswest.net>,
>> > morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe) wrote:
>> >> "hippo" <hi...@southernsudan.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Another voice for reason. Sounds like the fruitcakes and idiots
>have
>> >> >undergone conversion or crawled back into their holes. It's a good
>> >start.
>> >>
>> >> Well, I've *never* raised armed struggle to an untouchable
>principle,
>> >merely
>> >> believed it was a tactic to be used when appropriate.
>>
>> Snip
>>
>> >There
>> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings
>that
>> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
>>
>> Untrue Des...
>>
>
>I am referring to her pals in the IRSP and/or 32SM. If they were to
>stand in an election here (luckily for them they do not believe in them)
>they would be lucky to get a 100 votes. They are a fringe looney
>movement and effin dangerous.
I thought you were referring to any support for nationalists...
I don't think you can really judge support by the ballot box either
because it's too political... When SF declared their desire for
peace, their share of the vote went up, but I doubt that all
those that voted for them actually would support them again
if SF declared that warfare was the only way forward...
> In the US, there is considerable support
>in local areas for anti government groups and Dannielle herself has said
>she supports them.
I don't really know enough about such groups to discuss it properly..
> I was being extreme with the government building
>thing (the US equivalent of Omagh) but both were part of what she calls
>"armed struggle". She likes to keep an open mind about the use of this
>"armed struggle" here which makes me puke.
I think the Federal building thing was terrorism because it was designed
to kill without warning, and it did... I might be more open to accepting
that it was a political rebuff of the system had the bomb exploded at night
when there was no chance of killing innocent children and yet a chance
to attack a symbol of the system...
I believe the IRA are now committed to peace and I can't see them
returning ot violence anytime soon... A good thing... While the guns
are quiet, the taking will prevail...
WhiteWolf
<mango...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Snip
>> >Fuck me, the wolf's back.
>>
>> I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
>>
>
>Good for you. And perhaps you can answer my question now...
Hello Dave, I'd been wondering how long it would take before
you and I crossed paths again on SCI.
>
>> > How the fuck would you know. Your just another
>> >fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
>>
>> I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are!
>
>Ooh....what gives you the right to Mr Tyrell, who was also born on the
>island of Ireland is any less Irish? He may give his allegianceto a
>different flag than you do, but is he any less Irish for doing so?
You better ask him that... I get the impression that he *hates*
anything Irish and resents that he himself might indeed be
considered Irish.. I'd like his opinion on that too..
>
>I don't think so.
>
>> I've
>> seen the support, and know it's there...
>>
>> Ray
>
>Okay, let us lump parties such as SF, UDP, PUP, IRSP et al together. How
>much support to they get in the whole of Ireland?
Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have the
figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and around
the country...
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> I missed the discussion about drugs in Ireland... I did see some
> people attacking the INLA and others for being drug suppliers,
> but that's just black propaganda as far as I'm concerned...
> Ray
You had to bring race into it!
unki
Bren Vaughan
: Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have the
: figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and around
: the country...
So do Blackburn Rovers, but they're still a pathetic shower of wasters.
bren
WhiteWolf
Not guilty guv, "black propaganda" is a recognized term...
WhiteWolf
I suppose one way to look at it is that one mans terrorist is another
man's liberator... Groups world wide are called "terrorists" or
"freedom fighters" depending on who you ask, or the politics of
the group...
hippo
The Boy from Shangan Ave. <kfuz...@tinet.ie> wrote in message
news:1999110319...@p200.as1.sligo1.eircom.net...
> That's when Bohs last won the league right?
>
Troll days.
Hippo the Troll
Alex Tyrrell
Danielle Ni Dhighe <morr...@morrigan.net> wrote in message
news:3820c97...@news.uswest.net...
> "Alex Tyrrell" <xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >When is
> >it appropriate to blow to pieces innocent men, women and children, even
> >babies in prams?
>
> Why don't you tell me, you Loyalist fuckwit.
>
> Danielle Ni Dhighe
Or to put it another way you can find no justification for the actions which
I outlined.
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3820c856...@news.ix.netcom.com...
> On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:09:41 -0000, "Alex Tyrrell"
<xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM>
> wrote:
>
> >> >There
> >> >is greater support in the US for the bombing of federal buildings that
> >> >there is for your fringe looney nobodies in this country.
> >>
> >> Untrue Des...
> >
>
> I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
>
> >fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
>
> seen the support, and know it's there...
>
> Ray
I was missing you like a fuckin rash. BTW you have actually said something I
agree with, that you're more Irish than I am. I'm from N. Ireland which
makes me British and fuckin proud of it, you republican supporting yank
bastard!
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
> returning ot violence anytime soon... A good thing... While the guns
> are quiet, the taking will prevail...
>
> Ray
I guess it was all those guns and explosives they handed in which convinced
you of their peaceful intent!
JAT
Aleister Crowley's Cat
wrote:
<snip>
>>I don't think so.
>>
>>> I've
>>> seen the support, and know it's there...
>>>
>>> Ray
>>
>>Okay, let us lump parties such as SF, UDP, PUP, IRSP et al together. How
>>much support to they get in the whole of Ireland?
>
>Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have the
>figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and around
>the country...
>
>Ray
>
About 5% of the population. What gives that 5% the right to inflict
their misery on the other 95%?
Regards,
Dave
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Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Padre (if that's what you are) Danielle's words are those of the ideologue
>to whom the end justifies the means. The world, unfortunately for that
>world, is filled with them.
Ask the leaders of NATO nations if they believe the end justifies the means -
they'll say, yes, as long as it is their ends and means.
**************************************************************************
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>In the US, there is considerable support in local areas for anti government
>groups
The estimates I've seen for the numbers of supporters of the right-libertarian
militia movement haven't been that considerable. 10,000+.
>and Dannielle herself has said she supports them.
No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>> I actually think the NY bombing was justified. So go ahead and
>>advocate it on s.c.usa.
>
>Ehhhh, I would rather not
I know. You are just being an ass when you ask how I'd feel if you did do
that.
>What about Oklahoma? Was that justified??
The general idea of hitting back at the BATF was a good one, as far as I'm
concerned, but the courthouse was the wrong venue.
WhiteWolf
Crowley's Cat) wrote:
Snip
>>>Okay, let us lump parties such as SF, UDP, PUP, IRSP et al together. How
>>>much support to they get in the whole of Ireland?
>>
>>Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have the
>>figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and around
>>the country...
>>
>>Ray
>>
>
>About 5% of the population. What gives that 5% the right to inflict
>their misery on the other 95%?
First the constitution of Ireland claims the whole island of Ireland,
they could use this as a basis for their activities...
The fact is also, that the British managed to split the Nationalist
movement into those who would accept 26 counties and those who
wanted all Ireland free from Britain... Those who have accepted the
26 are in the majority, true enough, but until there is a resolution to
the conflict, I guess there will always be those who won't accept
that part of Ireland is lost forever...
hippo
WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > I think the Federal
building thing was terrorism...........
Nope fellas, the federal building bombing was a redneck weewee thing. A
bunch of dumbass boyos showing who had the longest. These nits had no
cohesive political ideology, nothing political to gain, no purpose in the
act. They felt disenfranchised, almost entirely their own doing. The rest
of it was too many boasts over too many beers and a little meth. You might
call them skinheads except there is no real equivalent movement as such in
the States. It boils down to an ego thing. Three of the same dragged a black
man who had done them no harm to death. Some of it might have come from
frustration; finding themselves so far down the social ladder that all they
can see is falling shite. You know the kind I mean.
Hippo the Troll
hippo
Bob Spowart <B...@rspowart.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message > It is about
time that people realised that the end is corrupted by the
> means. If repression and murder is used to further an otherwise admirable
> objective, then that objective becomes dishonoured.
> Thus has Republicanism been besmirched.
> Bob
>
Yes and I'll bet much of the anger comes from the guilt in knowing just
that - on both sides.
Hippo the Troll
Si
> On 4 Nov 1999 20:04:10 GMT, bvau...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Bren Vaughan) wrote:
>
> >
> >So do Blackburn Rovers, but they're still a pathetic shower of wasters.
>
> I suppose one way to look at it is that one mans terrorist is another
> man's liberator... Groups world wide are called "terrorists" or
> "freedom fighters" depending on who you ask, or the politics of
> the group...
>
> Ray
Or how far from puberty the political analysis is.
Si,
"Bog Snorkler Extrordinaire"
Bren Vaughan
: On 4 Nov 1999 20:04:10 GMT, bvau...@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Bren Vaughan) wrote:
: >WhiteWolf (lsch...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: >: Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have the
: >: figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and around
: >: the country...
: >
: >So do Blackburn Rovers, but they're still a pathetic shower of wasters.
: I suppose one way to look at it is that one mans terrorist is another
: man's liberator... Groups world wide are called "terrorists" or
: "freedom fighters" depending on who you ask, or the politics of
: the group...
Bollocks Ray. If Blackburn Rovers could terrorise anyone they wouldn't be
where they are today.
bren
Aleister Crowley's Cat
ra...@iol.ie wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 00:40:36 GMT, mango...@my-dejanews.com
(Aleister
> Crowley's Cat) wrote:
>
> Snip
> >>>Okay, let us lump parties such as SF, UDP, PUP, IRSP et al
together. How
> >>>much support to they get in the whole of Ireland?
> >>
have the
> >>figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and
around
> >>the country...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >About 5% of the population. What gives that 5% the right to inflict
> >their misery on the other 95%?
>
> First the constitution of Ireland claims the whole island of Ireland,
> they could use this as a basis for their activities...
>
Irrelevant. The constitution of the Republic does not give any basis for
any grouping to conduct ILLEGAL actions (illegal in both jurisdictions)
to fufill it in terms of articles 2 & 3.
> The fact is also, that the British managed to split the Nationalist
> movement into those who would accept 26 counties and those who
> wanted all Ireland free from Britain... Those who have accepted the
> 26 are in the majority, true enough, but until there is a resolution
to
> the conflict, I guess there will always be those who won't accept
> that part of Ireland is lost forever...
>
> Ray
That is your right as long as you use purely peaceful and democratic
means, but I have no time for anyone that uses violence to get their way
simply because they can't get their way using what everyone has to use -
the ballot box.
BTW why do you define NI as lost? Simply because it is a part of the
United Kingdom should not mean anything. After all, there are well over
a million Irish people living on the UK mainland. Are they lost?
Have you ever been to NI to see for yourself?
Regards,
Dave
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Aleister Crowley's Cat
>
> >In the US, there is considerable support in local areas for anti
government
> >groups
>
> The estimates I've seen for the numbers of supporters of the
right-libertarian
> militia movement haven't been that considerable. 10,000+.
>
> >and Dannielle herself has said she supports them.
>
> No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>
>
To do what exactly?
hippo
>
> Ask the leaders of NATO nations if they believe the end justifies the
means -
> they'll say, yes, as long as it is their ends and means.
>
terrorist groups, you must have found a hash bar in your neighbourhood. The
very fact that the recent action in Serbia took so long and nearly failed
altogether is proof enough of the extreme reluctance of NATO to use the
means at it's disposal to work it's collective will, even understanding, as
the member states did, that their reluctance would be seen by the Serbian
leadership and others as weakness. Neither can you equate the goal. If you
think for one fraction of one minute that the disparate interests
represented in the councils of the member states could have been joined to
the effort by anything less than extremis, you know nothing about the
dynamics of international councils. NATO was made aware of Milosovic's plans
to create a 'greater Serbia' by exterminating the Kosovars. His paid and
protected hit squads had been busy in Bosnia-Herzogovina for some time.
Nato's action was to save lives and protect itself from the condemnation of
history. No lesser goal could have gotten NATO off its' collective bums.
Hippo the Troll
WhiteWolf
Ave.) wrote:
>WhiteWolf (lsch...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>:Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have
>:the figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and
>:around the country...
>
>I know alot of Herion addicts here in Ireland. Will you be supporting
>Irish-American organisations to supply them smack while you're overthere
>in Disneyland?
I'm not in Disneyland, been there though... Liked it too, but to answer
your question, no, I never have or will help supply illegal drugs...
Here, there or anywhere for that matter...
WhiteWolf
wrote:
Snip
>> >Fuck me, the wolf's back.
>>
>> I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
>>
>> > How the fuck would you know. Your just another
>> >fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
>>
>> I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are! I've
>> seen the support, and know it's there...
>>
>> Ray
>
>I was missing you like a fuckin rash.
<blush> :-)
> BTW you have actually said something I
>agree with, that you're more Irish than I am. I'm from N. Ireland which
>makes me British and fuckin proud of it, you republican supporting yank
>bastard!
I was referring to you in particular, not all people born in NI when I said
I was more Irish than you... and I was speaking more political and
mindset then geographical location... If you were born in England,
the son of two Irish parents, you would be Irish... Geography has
little to do with it in my worldview... It's your family and your history...
I'd ask you to cut down the personal insults shite, but I doubt
that in your case it would do any good...
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>
>WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>> I believe the IRA are now committed to peace and I can't see them
>> returning ot violence anytime soon... A good thing... While the guns
>> are quiet, the taking will prevail...
>>
>> Ray
>
>I guess it was all those guns and explosives they handed in which convinced
>you of their peaceful intent!
Name a country that hasn't had warfare?
There was a time when the gun was stronger then the ballot box, and it
was by use of that gun that Ireland is partly free today.. But it's a
different world now, a time for taking has come...
WhiteWolf
You're confusing two different groups, but you're named well!
WhiteWolf
<mango...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Snip - level of support for groups like the IRA
>> >About 5% of the population. What gives that 5% the right to inflict
>> >their misery on the other 95%?
>>
>> First the constitution of Ireland claims the whole island of Ireland,
>> they could use this as a basis for their activities...
>>
>
>Irrelevant. The constitution of the Republic does not give any basis for
>any grouping to conduct ILLEGAL actions (illegal in both jurisdictions)
>to fufill it in terms of articles 2 & 3.
The whole point of the split was that some wanted to keep fighting
as before until they won total freedom... That mentality, right or
wrong, still prevails today in some groups... From what I hear
and read in the papers about the IRA these days, I'm becoming
more convinced that the IRA are now truely seeking a peaceful
solution... I can't say I'm unhappy about that...
>
>> The fact is also, that the British managed to split the Nationalist
>> movement into those who would accept 26 counties and those who
>> wanted all Ireland free from Britain... Those who have accepted the
>> 26 are in the majority, true enough, but until there is a resolution
>to
>> the conflict, I guess there will always be those who won't accept
>> that part of Ireland is lost forever...
>>
>> Ray
>
>That is your right as long as you use purely peaceful and democratic
>means, but I have no time for anyone that uses violence to get their way
>simply because they can't get their way using what everyone has to use -
>the ballot box.
>
>BTW why do you define NI as lost? Simply because it is a part of the
>United Kingdom should not mean anything. After all, there are well over
>a million Irish people living on the UK mainland. Are they lost?
Well, it would be lost to Ireland because I wanted to see it reunited
and a United Ireland... If we give up on that dream, then all those
who died before for it will have been in vain... I know you'll probably
counter argue about those that might die in the future over it..
I dont' know all the answers...
>
>Have you ever been to NI to see for yourself?
I've been in Ulster, but not the occupied sector... I couldn't
stomach to see British flags and English troops patrolling
in my country...
WhiteWolf
>Alex Tyrrell wrote:
>
>>> Ray
>>
>>I was missing you like a fuckin rash. BTW you have actually said something I
>>agree with, that you're more Irish than I am.
>
>I doubt it. Ray can be remarkably unIrish at times. :)
Ger's defination of Irish is very narrow it seems....
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> Hang on a minute. Ally McBeal is quite shaggable.
She looks like a skull in a DKNY outfit.
Give me Tiffany from Eastenders. Now that's a woman. Big tits, big arse
and as soon as you get sick of her, Frank Butcher runs her over.
unki
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> I'm not in Disneyland, been there though... Liked it too,
Great, our bi-sexuality exploration workshop is bearing fruit.
unki
Sheela na Gig
I don't have to pay 5 quid for this do I???? I was expecting a more in
depth examination of Ray's issues.
WhiteWolf
wrote:
Sheela, will you shag off and stop encouraging him on this... I don't
have any shagging issues... Now, I'm heading back to my closet
and don't want to hear no more about it... <fume> almost broke
a fingernail typing this reply too... :-)
WhiteWolf
wrote:
>kfuz...@tinet.ie (The Boy from Shangan Ave.) wrote:
>
>>> No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>>
>>You are starting to sound like Rik from the Young Ones.
>
>Like who from where?
The Young Ones... It's a British TV comedy series.. It involved
4 students... One a hippy, one a right winger, one a leftwinger
which always kept sprouting about "the revolution" and I guess
that must be Rik... It was pretty good, I enjoyed it when I saw
it...
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
:Well the probably all get different amounts of support... I don't have
:the figures, but I know that the IRA have supporters in Limerick and
:around the country...
I know alot of Herion addicts here in Ireland. Will you be supporting
Irish-American organisations to supply them smack while you're overthere
in Disneyland?
unki
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
You are starting to sound like Rik from the Young Ones.
unki
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Nope fellas, the federal building bombing was a redneck weewee thing. A
>bunch of dumbass boyos showing who had the longest. These nits had no
>cohesive political ideology, nothing political to gain, no purpose in the
>act.
Their purpose was to give the BATF payback for Waco.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>Or to put it another way you can find no justification for the actions which
>I outlined.
No, merely pointing out that Loyalists have no room to talk about innocent
children being killed. Indeed, children and old women seem to be favored
targets of Loyalists.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>If your implication here is that NATO can be equated in any way with modern
>terrorist groups, you must have found a hash bar in your neighbourhood.
Last time I checked, Turkey was a NATO member. Ever hear of the ethnic
cleansing Turkey has committed against the Kurdish people?
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>> No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>
>You are starting to sound like Rik from the Young Ones.
Like who from where?
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>>No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>
>To do what exactly?
To do whatever is necessary.
hippo
WhiteWolf <lsch...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message > You're confusing two
different groups, but you're named well!
>
It's not true. The bombers might have been a little more sophisticated, but
both are part of a very amorphous thing you can't even call a movement. I've
seen them called right wing anarchists in this ng, but most couldn't spell
the later. Because many of them are heavily into making and distributing
methanfedamines, they are shunned by the legitimate right movement which
tends to be almost exclusively ideological in the States. In the South the
overtones are slightly more white supremicist, in the Mid-West more
anti-establishment, but both share these caristaristics together with a
feeling of being outcasts from coventional society. I hope I'm making sense
here. I like the name too - thanks Gerald!
Hippo the Troll
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>I'm assuming you mean the bombers are different from the white supremacists.
>It's not true. The bombers might have been a little more sophisticated, but
>both are part of a very amorphous thing you can't even call a movement. I've
>seen them called right wing anarchists in this ng, but most couldn't spell
>the later.
Eh? While I disagree with the politics of the right militia movement, I would
hardly say most of them are unintelligent. Amorphous? Most of the east coast
militia units are under a unified command structure. That hardly sounds
amorphous to me.
Aleister Crowley's Cat
Dhighe) wrote:
>Aleister Crowley's Cat <mango...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>>>No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>>
>>To do what exactly?
>
>To do whatever is necessary.
>
And what is necessary?
Regards,
Dave
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Aleister Crowley's Cat
wrote:
>On Sat, 06 Nov 1999 01:56:05 GMT, morr...@morrigan.net (Danielle Ni Dhighe)
>wrote:
>
>>kfuz...@tinet.ie (The Boy from Shangan Ave.) wrote:
>>
>>>> No, I've said I support the formation of a leftist militia movement.
>>>
>>>You are starting to sound like Rik from the Young Ones.
>>
>>Like who from where?
>
>The Young Ones... It's a British TV comedy series.. It involved
>4 students... One a hippy, one a right winger, one a leftwinger
>which always kept sprouting about "the revolution" and I guess
>that must be Rik... It was pretty good, I enjoyed it when I saw
>it...
>
>Ray
You're remember the Tooting Popular Front as well then...
hippo
Danielle Ni Dhighe <morr...@morrigan.net> wrote in message >
> Their purpose was to give the BATF payback for Waco.
>
or what BATF is, maybe even 85-90%. Like I said, these people are way out
on the fringe.
Hippo le Troll
hippo
> cleansing Turkey has committed against the Kurdish people?
>
Turkish excesses for some time, but has had to agree that their actions are
almost always reactive. The Kurds initiate.
Hippo the Troll
Alex Tyrrell
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:35:41 -0000, "Alex Tyrrell"
<xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM>
> wrote:
> Snip
>
> >> >Fuck me, the wolf's back.
> >>
> >> I had to come back, I knew you were missing me!
> >>
> >> > How the fuck would you know. Your just another
> >> >fuckin republican asshole hiding behind a PC in Yankee land.
> >>
> >> I'm not a Republican, and I'm more Irish then you are! I've
> >> seen the support, and know it's there...
> >>
> >
> >I was missing you like a fuckin rash.
>
>
> > BTW you have actually said something I
> >makes me British and fuckin proud of it, you republican supporting yank
> >bastard!
>
> I was referring to you in particular, not all people born in NI when I
said
> I was more Irish than you... and I was speaking more political and
> mindset then geographical location... If you were born in England,
> the son of two Irish parents, you would be Irish... Geography has
> little to do with it in my worldview... It's your family and your
history...
>
> I'd ask you to cut down the personal insults shite, but I doubt
> that in your case it would do any good...
>
> Ray
You're right there asshole!
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
> On Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:43:02 -0000, "Alex Tyrrell"
> >> returning ot violence anytime soon... A good thing... While the guns
> >> are quiet, the taking will prevail...
> >>
> >> Ray
> >
> >I guess it was all those guns and explosives they handed in which
convinced
> >you of their peaceful intent!
>
> Name a country that hasn't had warfare?
>
> There was a time when the gun was stronger then the ballot box, and it
> was by use of that gun that Ireland is partly free today.. But it's a
> different world now, a time for taking has come...
>
> Ray
So why do the IRA need tons of weapons and explosives to talk?
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
> On Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:43:27 -0600, Gerard Cunningham <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>
> >Alex Tyrrell wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>I was missing you like a fuckin rash. BTW you have actually said
something I
> >>agree with, that you're more Irish than I am.
> >
>
> Ger's defination of Irish is very narrow it seems....
>
> Ray
Could this be the start of one of those internal feuds? I hope so. I like
those.
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
> "Alex Tyrrell" <xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >Or to put it another way you can find no justification for the actions
which
> >I outlined.
>
> No, merely pointing out that Loyalists have no room to talk about innocent
> children being killed. Indeed, children and old women seem to be favored
> targets of Loyalists.
> Danielle Ni Dhighe
Really! Do tell us more.
JAT
hippo
Alex Tyrrell <xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote in message > So why do the IRA
need tons of weapons and explosives to talk?
>
Hippo the Troll
Alex Tyrrell
hippo <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote in message
news:OfrxgrGK$GA.187@cpmsnbbsa02...
> >
> Boy that's a real national issue. Probably 80% of Americans have no idea
who
> or what BATF is, maybe even 85-90%. Like I said, these people are way out
> on the fringe.
>
> Hippo le Troll
Would they have anything to do with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms?
JAT
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>> Their purpose was to give the BATF payback for Waco.
>
>Boy that's a real national issue. Probably 80% of Americans have no idea who
>or what BATF is, maybe even 85-90%. Like I said, these people are way out
>on the fringe.
Sure, but you said they had absolutely no purpose, which wasn't quite true.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>>To do whatever is necessary.
>
>And what is necessary?
I think I've said enough already.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>>Indeed, children and old women seem to be favored
>>targets of Loyalists.
>
>Really! Do tell us more.
You'd know better than I. You're the Loyalist.
Danielle Ni Dhighe
>> cleansing Turkey has committed against the Kurdish people?
>
>Yup, but Turkey isn't NATO, just one member. NATO has been trying to curb
>Turkish excesses for some time, but has had to agree that their actions are
>almost always reactive. The Kurds initiate.
So ethnic cleansing is fine as long as you can blame the victim. You'd make a
fine Loyalist.
The Boy from Shangan Ave.
> On Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:23:12 +0000, kfuz...@tinet.ie (The Boy from
> Shangan Ave.) wrote:
> >Great, our bi-sexuality exploration workshop is bearing fruit.
> >
> >unki
>
> I don't have to pay 5 quid for this do I???? I was expecting a more in
> depth examination of Ray's issues.
Christ Sheela you have to let me rest now and again.
I am working on getting him his own fag hag if you must know.
unki
Bob Spowart
Danielle Ni Dhighe wrote in message <3824bc21...@news.uswest.net>...
>"hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote:
>
>>> cleansing Turkey has committed against the Kurdish people?
>>
>>Yup, but Turkey isn't NATO, just one member. NATO has been trying to curb
>>Turkish excesses for some time, but has had to agree that their actions
are
>>almost always reactive. The Kurds initiate.
>
>So ethnic cleansing is fine as long as you can blame the victim. You'd
make a
>fine Loyalist.
So what was your opinion of Sendero Luminoso (sp???) in Peru?? Their tactics
were two fold;
First, terrorise the civil population into being too scared to do anything
other than obey the rules of The Shinning Path. Then use them as a cover to
expand operations against government forces in the hope of goading the
Peruvian Security Forces, i.e. police, militia and army, into starting their
own attrocities against the civilians.
That the Peruvian Government, under the leadership of Fujimori, avioded this
was probably more a matter of luck in their guidance of the Security Forces.
The Kurds are following the same tactics and unfortunatly the Turkish
Security forces have fallen into the trap the Peruvians avoided.
That the ordinary Kurd is a victim of both the Kurdish Separatists and the
Security Forces, is something IRA/INLA has been trying to do to the
Nationalist population for years with, other than Bloody Sunday and a
relativly small number of rogue elements in the RUC, remarkably little
success.
IRA/INLA are very good at anti-Army/RUC propaganda whilst at the same time
being
totally ruthless in denying dissident elements withing the Nationalist
Community those same Human Rights they accuse the Security Forces of
denying.
Bob
Aleister Crowley's Cat
Dhighe) wrote:
>mango...@my-dejanews.com (Aleister Crowley's Cat) wrote:
>
>>>To do whatever is necessary.
>>
>>And what is necessary?
>
>I think I've said enough already.
>
No you haven't. Point out to me what this great leftist militia would
do...
Alex Tyrrell
> "Alex Tyrrell" <xx7...@fdn.co.uk.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
> >>Indeed, children and old women seem to be favored
> >>targets of Loyalists.
> >
> >Really! Do tell us more.
>
> You'd know better than I. You're the Loyalist.
>
Avoiding the issue as usual. I'm not the one making the statement, you are!
You can't simply full little fantasies out of your sick little mind and then
say 'Go away, I'm not playing anymore'.
JAT
Alex Tyrrell
> "hippo" <hi...@southsudan.net> wrote:
>
> >> cleansing Turkey has committed against the Kurdish people?
> >
> >Yup, but Turkey isn't NATO, just one member. NATO has been trying to
curb
> >Turkish excesses for some time, but has had to agree that their actions
are
> >almost always reactive. The Kurds initiate.
>
> So ethnic cleansing is fine as long as you can blame the victim. You'd
make a
> fine Loyalist.
>
The IRA have been using ethnic cleansing against the Protestant people of N.
Ireland for the past thirty years, or did you forget that?
JAT
pittsters
Danielle Ni Dhighe <morr...@morrigan.net> wrote in message > Eh? While I
disagree with the politics of the right militia movement, I would
> hardly say most of them are unintelligent. Amorphous? Most of the east
coast
> militia units are under a unified command structure. That hardly sounds
> amorphous to me.
>
are also 'organized'. Trust me they are way out of the mainstream of
conventional thought and have no lasting ideology. Recent attempts by the
Clinton folks to restrict gun ownership may gain them real adherants, a
viable issue and money. At the moment public sentiment in the States is
securely centrist with no room for whacko fringe movements. It's me saying
this, a strong ideological conservative of many years.
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