Ireland is never British
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>>Ireland is not British. Please look at a map. Ireland is the Western
island
>>and Britain is the bigger one on the right.
>> What next? NZ is a group of Australian islands?
>>
>>
>>Bryan Ray wrote in message <36146c8a....@news.ican.net>...
>>>well, after giving it a bit of thought, here's what I came up with as
>>>very possible 5 nations lineups (not necessarily my picks). some
>>>interesting choices here, especially Wales. i only did the british
>>>teams, because France and Italy have their selections in order, not
>>>like the chaos surrouding the brits.
>>>IRELAND [coach - Warren Gatland]
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>>>1 Reggie Corrigan (Greystones) 188cm 113kg 28yrs 7cps
>>>2 Keith Wood [c] (Harlequins) 182cm 106kg 26yrs 17cps
>>>3 Paul Wallace (Saracens) 182cm 105kg 27yrs 20cps
>>>4 Malcolm O'Kelly (London Irish) 203cm 108kg 24yrs 9cps
>>>5 Jeremy Davidson (Castres) 198cm 114kg 24yrs 12cps
>>>6 Dion O'Cuinneagain (Sale) 192cm 102kg 26yrs 2cps
>>>7 Andy Ward (Ballynahinch) 190cm 102kg 28yrs 5cps
>>>8 Victor Costello (St.Mary's) 199cm 116kg 28yrs 12cps
>>>9 Conor McGuinness (St.Mary's) 176cm 72kg 23yrs 7cps
>>>10 Eric Elwood (Galwegians) 183cm 87kg 29yrs 27cps
>>>11 Denis Hickie (St.Mary's) 188cm 86kg 22yrs 12cps
>>>12 Rob Henderson (Wasps) 185cm 103kg 26yrs 7cps
>>>13 Jonathan Bell (Ballymena) 181cm 94kg 24yrs 21cps
>>>14 Richard Wallace (Saracens) 181cm 89kg 30yrs 29cps
>>>15 Conor O'Shea (London Irish) 188cm 100kg 28yrs 20cps
>>>
>>>16 Kevin Maggs (Bath) 181cm 89kg 24yrs 9cps
>>>17 David Humphreys (Ballymena) 176cm 78kg 27yrs 8cps
>>>18 Brian O'Meara (Cork Constitution) 175cm 82kg 22yrs 3cps
>>>19 Eric Miller (Leicester) 190cm 100kg 23yrs 8cps
>>>20 Paddy Johns (Saracens) 198cm 111kg 38yrs 43cps
>>>21 Peter Clohessy (Young Munster) 180cm 106kg 32yrs 17cps
>>>22 Ross Nesdale (Newcastle) 179cm 101kg 29yrs 7cps
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Fiach MacHugh
Jervis Centre?
Makes you wonder why Michael Collins bothered.
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JC
>Ireland is not British? Have you looked at Grafton Street lately, or
the
>Jervis Centre?
>Makes you wonder why Michael Collins bothered.
When it reaches the stage that you can't phone a Government Dept because
the people who answer the phones don't have a sufficient grasp of
english
to carry on an interactive conversation then you've got my sympathy.
Thats when you get "nutters" like Pauline Hanson gaining prominence.
I think the Irish should be flattered so many people are trying to get
in, it's not so long ago that it was the other way around.
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Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>When it reaches the stage that you can't phone a Government Dept because
>the people who answer the phones don't have a sufficient grasp of
>english
Try phoning Irish Govt. Depts in the first official language..
--
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin abardubh at wwa dot com
http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
"Let not the Old Glen be harmed,
The place of the slabs of heaven" ~Colmcille
JC
<361cef83...@news.wwa.com>...
>JC wrote:
>
>>When it reaches the stage that you can't phone a Government Dept
because
>>the people who answer the phones don't have a sufficient grasp of
>>english
>
>Try phoning Irish Govt. Depts in the first official language..
Yes, but if YOU choose you can communicate with them. It's very
frustrating when
it's not possible at all. The only option in that situation is to keep
ringing and hanging
up till you strike it lucky.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote
>>Try phoning Irish Govt. Depts in the first official language..
>
>Yes, but if YOU choose you can communicate with them. It's very
>frustrating when
>it's not possible at all. The only option in that situation is to keep
>ringing and hanging
>up till you strike it lucky.
The same sentiment strikes me when I encounter an incomprehensible
southern accent..
S. P. Burgess
What is this thread all about ?
Is the statement made with regret or pride ?
The title makes no sense. Is it the contention that Ireland WAS never
British or that it WILL never be British. (or both).
To use the present tense is nonsense.
Did something get lost in the translation from Gaelic ?
supe...@my-dejanews.com
Ger@r.d wrote:
> JC wrote:
>
> >When it reaches the stage that you can't phone a Government Dept because
> >the people who answer the phones don't have a sufficient grasp of
> >english
>
>
This is because 1 ; People who can and do speak English everyday of the week
decide they want to be awkward.
2 ; The nonsense of having Irish Gaelic as the first offical language is out
of date, but everybody is too scared of the sacred cows to change it,
Keith
> --
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> http://www.wwa.com/~abardubh/
> "Let not the Old Glen be harmed,
> The place of the slabs of heaven" ~Colmcille
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Paul
considered British."
Hope this clears it up for you.
- Paul
S. P. Burgess wrote in message <6vfq48$36d$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
S. P. Burgess
> I think the title should be interpreted as: "Ireland should never be
> considered British."
>
> Hope this clears it up for you.
>
> - Paul
>
Thanks, but
If you leave out the word "British",
then it makes even more sense.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>This is because 1 ; People who can and do speak English everyday of the week
>decide they want to be awkward.
And Prods in the Free state were perfectly welcome to pray in the
widely available Taig churches and should have stopped whining about
Ne Temere.
You can't pick and choose your freedoms boyo!
Colin Rosenthal
>"Paul" <m...@home.ie> writes:
>
>> I think the title should be interpreted as: "Ireland should never be
>> considered British."
>>
>> Hope this clears it up for you.
>Thanks, but
>
>If you leave out the word "British",
>then it makes even more sense.
Perhaps it should be "Ireland should never be considered on
soc.culture.british"?
--
Colin Rosenthal
High Altitude Observatory
Boulder, Colorado
rose...@hao.ucar.edu
Paul
- Paul
S. P. Burgess wrote in message <6vft4g$4s2$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
S. P. Burgess
> >"Paul" <m...@home.ie> writes:
> >
> >> I think the title should be interpreted as: "Ireland should never be
> >> considered British."
> >>
> >> Hope this clears it up for you.
>
> >
> >If you leave out the word "British",
> >then it makes even more sense.
>
> soc.culture.british"?
>
> --
> Colin Rosenthal
perhaps "Ireland should never be"
Big Mac
wrote:
>rose...@asp.hao.ucar.edu (Colin Rosenthal) writes: > On 7 Oct 1998 14:16:48 GMT,
>> S. P. Burgess <ccr...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> >"Paul" <m...@home.ie> writes:
>> >
>> >> I think the title should be interpreted as: "Ireland should never be
>> >> considered British."
>> >>
>> >> Hope this clears it up for you.
>>
>> >Thanks, but
>> >
>> >If you leave out the word "British",
>> >then it makes even more sense.
>>
>> Perhaps it should be "Ireland should never be considered on
>> soc.culture.british"?
>>
>> --
>> Colin Rosenthal
>
>
>perhaps "Ireland should never be"
Ireland never was. Stillborn in 1798 and dismembered in 1920. Learnt
to live with the disfigurement in 1998, supposedly.
mde...@my-dejanews.com
Ger@r.d wrote:
> And Prods in the Free state were perfectly welcome to pray in the
> widely available Taig churches and should have stopped whining about
> Ne Temere.
Pray, yes; take communion, no. And whining over Ne temere had nothing to do
with prayer.
> You can't pick and choose your freedoms boyo!
You're right enough there, though. But (to use one of your beloved sound
effects: "stir stir") does that mean you'll be standing up for the poor
oppressed brethren at Portadown?
--
Mark Devlin
mde...@knilniarb.com
www.brainlink.com/~mdevlin/index.html
My opinions, no one's else
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Ger@r.d wrote:
>> And Prods in the Free state were perfectly welcome to pray in the
>> widely available Taig churches and should have stopped whining about
>> Ne Temere.
>
>Pray, yes; take communion, no. And whining over Ne temere had nothing to do
>with prayer.
But of course they were free to take communion. There's just a wee
matter of a baptism first. Why would they need to worship
differently, any more than I'd want to talk a different language, when
an alternative exists which is practised by the majority? Its not as
if its a vital expression of my/their cultural heritage now, is it?
[What d'ye think, am I laying it on too thick?]
>> You can't pick and choose your freedoms boyo!
>You're right enough there, though. But (to use one of your beloved sound
>effects: "stir stir")
If you listen carefully, you'll hear it in the above paragraphs too...
>does that mean you'll be standing up for the poor
>oppressed brethren at Portadown?
Push comes to shove, I'll support their right to make a disgrace of
themselves in front of the cameras of a watching world. As I've said
repeatedly, the political and media naivety of the brethren never
ceases to amaze me.
I mean, it couldn't be that hard to find a couple of frail looking CoE
vicar types to march down the street and get pelted, thus gaining
sympathy. Well, maybe after a few years of peltings; there's the
problem of their long-established image to overcome first
Instead, they wheel out the stern-faced boyos on the dark suits (in
sunny July fer chrissakes!) and the neanderthal skins with the UVF
tattoos, then wail about the misleading media imagery..
Dub Remix
> In article <361f9ad3...@news.wwa.com>,
> Ger@r.d wrote:
>
> > And Prods in the Free state were perfectly welcome to pray in the
> > widely available Taig churches and should have stopped whining about
> > Ne Temere.
>
> Pray, yes; take communion, no. And whining over Ne temere had nothing to do
> with prayer.
Did anybody see Questions and Answers the other night? The issue of the
Catholic Bishops stance on this came up and some bag-slasher in the
audience made the statement; "If Mary McAlese took the communion in a
Protestant church while she was running for election, I doubt if she
would be president today." There was a almost universal groan of disgust
from the rest of the studio audience after the gobshite made the
comment.
Considering that this was filmed in Ballina (a conservative town) and
judging by the reaction this eejit got after his comments, I would say
the Catholic Church is on its last leg in this country. They are pissing
off far too many people and only have religious loonies and bigots
standing by them.
Son of Unki
Ziggy
> Ireland is not British? Have you looked at Grafton Street lately, or the
> Jervis Centre?
>
> Makes you wonder why Michael Collins bothered.
Many of wish the murdering bastard ever did.
Ziggy
> JC wrote:
>
> >When it reaches the stage that you can't phone a Government Dept because
> >the people who answer the phones don't have a sufficient grasp of
> >english
>
> Try phoning Irish Govt. Depts in the first official language..
In other words using the utterly irrelevant and useless ancient language
promoted and imposed on the nation by a small elite of fascist
nationalists.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
Every Irish-speaker is an elite fascist nationalist?
When do I get my membership card? Are there any discount schemes I
can participate in as a result? 20% off at Armalites-R-Us, perhaps?
Niall Mac Eòghainn
On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:54:38 +0000, Zi...@nospam.city (Ziggy) wrote:
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin <Ger@r.d> wrote:
>> Try phoning Irish Govt. Depts in the first official language..
>
>In other words using the utterly irrelevant
= "not financially lucrative"
>and useless
= "not financially lucrative"
>ancient
= "slightly older than English"
> language promoted and imposed
^^^^^^^^
= "spoken and taught"
>on the nation by a small elite of fascist nationalists.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
= "people with a sense of historical continuity, as opposed
to the vacuous consumers of mass-culture"
Neil
--
seoladh ceart: mce...@supercity.ns.ca
"cumail cogadh ri na ceudan,
cumail Gàidhlig ri luchd Beurla"
Big Mac
Mac Eòghainn) wrote:
>
> = "people with a sense of historical continuity, as opposed
>to the vacuous consumers of mass-culture"
Elitist git. And historically illiterate, to boot.
S. P. Burgess
apart from British I mean.
Dr Q
S. P. Burgess wrote in message <6vkrhh$jku$1...@newnews.global.net.uk>...
>Is there anything else that Ireland is never,
>apart from British I mean.
Ireland is never hot and sunny and the host of naked volleyball tournaments.
Ziggy
> Every Irish-speaker is an elite fascist nationalist?
>
> When do I get my membership card? Are there any discount schemes I
> can participate in as a result? 20% off at Armalites-R-Us, perhaps?
They don;t need armalites, they have the reigns of power and the
manipulative arm of irish people sensetive to national guilt and a
hangover from an anti british history
Z
Ziggy
> >In other words using the utterly irrelevant
> = "not financially lucrative"
. . not spoken or understood by over 90% of the people
> >and useless
> = "not financially lucrative"
. . ditto
> >ancient
> = "slightly older than English"
. . English is a living/breathing language not one on
it's last breath
> > language promoted and imposed
> = "spoken and taught"
. . Forced as compulsory on students and those seeking
Govmt. jobs.
> >on the nation by a small elite of fascist nationalists.
> = "people with a sense of historical continuity, as opposed
> to the vacuous consumers of mass-culture"
. . Fascist nationalists who believe they have the right
to impose their own values and beliefs on anyone disagreeing with them.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Niall Mac Eňghainn <nial...@cathairmhor.an.ca> wrote:
>> > language promoted and imposed
>> = "spoken and taught"
> . . Forced as compulsory on students and those seeking
> Govmt. jobs.
You know, I've never had a use for most of the mathematics I learned
in school. I deeply resent having been taught this useless skill, and
intend to whine in future at any backwards looking traditionalists who
insist on showing off, instead of using a calculator like the rest of
us progressives.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
Bollocks. The Irish Goverenments attitude to the Irish language and
the Gaeltachts is one of indifference and neglect.
Sinn Fein isn't exactly packed to the rafters with Irish-speakers
either, despite their rhetoric. See
http://www.irish-times.com/irish-times/paper/teangabeo/1998/1007/beo1.html
Oh, I forgot, you can't read Irish. After all, there's no information
in Irish you'd ever need, is there?
Nina Stoessinger
Ziggy wrote:
They don;t need armalites, they have the reigns of power and the
> manipulative arm of irish people sensetive to national guilt and a
> hangover from an anti british history
Yeah, and probably their anti British history was their fault too?
Jerry
Catholic clergy in the North have a lot to learn........I wouldn't
go to my local chapel because of the bigotry shown by a
parish priest.
no matter what religion we are on this island of Ireland
we have to learn that the only way forward is living together
and being able to tolerate each others feelings and beliefs.
It needs to start with non-political and non-bigotry
preachings of the Catholic clergy.
My parents were..one Catholic and the other of an Orange
persuasion, and yet the love they had for each other was
deep loving and lasting............what's wrong with the rest of us/
Dub Remix wrote in message <1998100721...@p55.sligo1.tinet.ie>...
Ziggy
> Is there anything else that Ireland is never,
> apart from British I mean.
Dry ?
Ziggy
Niall Mac Eòghainn
On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:11:21 GMT, who...@speed.com (Big Mac) wrote:
>On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:56:03 GMT, nial...@cathairmhor.an.ca (Niall
>Mac Eòghainn) wrote:
>>
>> = "people with a sense of historical continuity, as opposed
>>to the vacuous consumers of mass-culture"
>
>Elitist git.
Words, words, words. If this is elitism then let's make the most
of it.
> And historically illiterate, to boot.
Care to tell us more about your extensive knowledge of Gaelic
literature, or about how the poor Serbs were victimized in the Bosnian
War?
Niall Mac Eòghainn
On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:31:48 +0000, Zi...@nospam.city (Ziggy) wrote:
>Niall Mac Eòghainn <nial...@cathairmhor.an.ca> wrote:
>
>> >In other words using the utterly irrelevant
>> = "not financially lucrative"
> . . not spoken or understood by over 90% of the people
Most of the people in the world don't speak English either. Just
because something pertains to a minority does not make it
"irrelevant"; relevance is in the eye of the beholder.
>> >and useless
>> = "not financially lucrative"
> . . ditto
If it's useless why do people continue to use it?
>> >ancient
>> = "slightly older than English"
> . . English is a living/breathing language not one on
> it's last breath
If Irish is on its last breath why are children still being
raised speaking it?
>> > language promoted and imposed
>> = "spoken and taught"
> . . Forced as compulsory on students and those seeking
> Govmt. jobs.
If a subject is "imposed" because students are compelled to learn
it, can we say the same for algebra? As for gov't jobs, if such a
requirement exists I agree it should be abolished.
>> >on the nation by a small elite of fascist nationalists.
>
>> = "people with a sense of historical continuity, as opposed
>> to the vacuous consumers of mass-culture"
> . . Fascist nationalists who believe they have the right
>to impose their own values and beliefs on anyone disagreeing with them.
When was the last time you were forced to speak Irish at
gunpoint? Don't you think the people who were dragged out of cellars
during the war, and who were sent off to concentration camps by the
real "fascists" might find your choice of words a bit immoderate?
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:31:48 +0000, Zi...@nospam.city (Ziggy) wrote:
>> . . Forced as compulsory on students and those seeking
>> Govmt. jobs.
>
>
> If a subject is "imposed" because students are compelled to learn
>it, can we say the same for algebra? As for gov't jobs, if such a
>requirement exists I agree it should be abolished.
More honoured in breach than in observance, IME
Ziggy
> Bollocks. The Irish Goverenments attitude to the Irish language and
> the Gaeltachts is one of indifference and neglect.
Ehhhh £10 million pounds for a tv station for a few thousand people ?
A department of arts where no one can answer the phone in english like
95% of people ?
>
> Sinn Fein isn't exactly packed to the rafters with Irish-speakers
> either, despite their rhetoric.
And Gerry Adams bizarre speeches in Irish at the peace process meetings
?
>
> Oh, I forgot, you can't read Irish. After all, there's no information
> in Irish you'd ever need, is there?
Nope.
Z
Dub Remix
> My parents were..one Catholic and the other of an Orange
> persuasion, and yet the love they had for each other was
> deep loving and lasting............what's wrong with the rest of us/
The problem is that only loonies believe in religious dogma.
--
Son of Unki
Dub Remix
> Ehhhh £10 million pounds for a tv station for a few thousand people ?
> A department of arts where no one can answer the phone in english like
> 95% of people ?
> >
Eh, it is a really good station. It gets higher ratings in Ireland than
MTV. So some people must like it.
--
Son of Unki
Ziggy
> Eh, it is a really good station. It gets higher ratings in Ireland than
> MTV. So some people must like it.
Interesting that the boss of the station admitted last week that the
highest ratings were for programs in English . . . .
Z
Dub Remix
Well I was thinking about the programmes I only make any effort to see.
I do not like most TV or movies.
Here is the list I came up with:
RTE 1: Questions and Answers, 6:00 News
Network Two: The Soccer Show, National League and International Soccer
TnG: Euronews, Album, Ireland's Top 30, Spanish and Scottish Soccer,
Waterways and the numerous documentaries
TV3: Messers Rooney and Tylak
UTV: Coronation Street, Good Morning
BBC 1: nothing
BBC 2: The Cold War
Channel 4: Eurotrash, Secret History, Italian Soccer, TV Offal, Later
with Jools Holland, Father Ted and any documentaries they have
So as you can see TnG and Channel 4 win hands down
These are the only programmes that I go out of my way to always watch if
I can. TnG had a great special on Paul Weller a few weeks back that I
taped and sent to some friends in Britain and Japan. They all agreed
that the TnG special was one of the best they had seen from any TV
company in the world. It was in Irish with English subtitles (like most
TnG programmes). So what, it is still Irish and it is still of high
quality! Anybody in Ireland can enjoy it. Just hit 888 on your remote
TEXT button and you get the instant translation. What's the big deal!
TnG works because it is not trapped in a Gaelic League dross and none of
the programms are edited so you get loads of French and German films
with all the ranchy sex scenes included. I like that as well. TnG
graphic presentation is the best of any station in either the UK or
Ireland and is visually elegant and not 3-D American-trashy like RTE.
As for the money they get, well, in cases you haven't noticed this
country is currently rolling in cash. There is a surplus in the national
budget of £2.25 Billion this year and the government is swimming in
money. So a few million to one of the few infrastructual project that
actually made it pass the Long Mile Road is hardly going to be wasted.
TnG is here to stay and I glad. The fact thet some of the biggest
corporations in the world sponser the programme proves that. I am as far
from a pioneer pin wearing GAA bogger as you can get, and as a miserable
cynical Jackeen TnG makes me well, *proud* to be an Irish person in
1998!
--
Son of Unki
Brendan Heading
<kfuz...@SPAMJAM.tinet.ie> writes
>As for the money they get, well, in cases you haven't noticed this
>country is currently rolling in cash. There is a surplus in the national
>budget of £2.25 Billion this year and the government is swimming in
>money.
That's interesting. Out of curiosity what was the estimated bill again
for Luas - something 9bn IR in total ? They could at least make a start
on it. Dublin cannot be a cosmopolitan focal point for economic growth
without a proper public transport system.
--
Brendan Heading
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Eddie Wall
>
>TnG is here to stay and I glad. The fact thet some of the biggest
>corporations in the world sponser the programme proves that. I am as far
>from a pioneer pin wearing GAA bogger as you can get, and as a miserable
>cynical Jackeen TnG makes me well, *proud* to be an Irish person in
>1998!
With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
Eddie
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Laura Farrell
Remix) wrote:
>Ziggy <Zi...@nospam.city> wrote:
>
>
>> Ehhhh £10 million pounds for a tv station for a few thousand people ?
>> A department of arts where no one can answer the phone in english like
>> 95% of people ?
>> >
>
>
>
>Eh, it is a really good station. It gets higher ratings in Ireland than
>MTV. So some people must like it.
BUT, Tna G is a terrestrial station available to all, unlike MTV,
which is exclusively available to cable, MMDS and satellite users, and
therefore not widely available.
Not a fair comparison.
Laura
Dr Q
Laura Farrell wrote in message <362105a...@cnews.newsguy.com>...
>BUT, Tna G is a terrestrial station available to all, unlike MTV,
>which is exclusively available to cable, MMDS and satellite users, and
>therefore not widely available.
>
>Not a fair comparison.
I don't know the figures, but I would say that the majority of people here
are on Cable, Satellite or MMDS. There's not many people really confined
just to the terrestrial channels any more.
Brónx
>And Gerry Adams bizarre speeches in Irish at the peace process meetings
And all them people at UN meetings not speaking English, terrible isn`t it ?
Who the hell do they think they are speaking their native language ?!?
Slán.
Tomás Breathnach
>
>Well I was thinking about the programmes I only make any effort to see.
>I do not like most TV or movies.
>
>Here is the list I came up with:
>
>RTE 1: Questions and Answers
Tell me you're being ironic; Q&A is the most boring program in the known
broadcasting universe. Most of the audience should be shot for being droning,
self-important party political bores.
Tom
Ziggy
> With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
> over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
> you , but as many as 10,000 viewers
All english langauge programs !
>
> The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
> money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
> viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
> pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
> anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
And how much of that money cam from our taxes then ?
Z
Eddie Wall
>
>TnG is here to stay and I glad. The fact thet some of the biggest
>corporations in the world sponser the programme proves that. I am as far
>from a pioneer pin wearing GAA bogger as you can get, and as a miserable
>cynical Jackeen TnG makes me well, *proud* to be an Irish person in
>1998!
With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
Eddie
Eddie Wall
>> The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
>> money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
>> viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
>> pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
>> anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
>
>And how much of that money cam from our taxes then ?
>
Your a real brain then.!
Mór Cóta
Mac Eòghainn) wrote:
>>> >and useless
>>> = "not financially lucrative"
>> . . ditto
>
> If it's useless why do people continue to use it?
The government bribes them.
Mór Cóta
wrote:
I think that the future lies in a fruitful union of the authentic,
real Gaelic culture and the mass-produced, ersatz MTV culture. Such
as the dance routines of B*witched[1], oh yes, come all ye scholars.
[1] imagine the Spice Girls on sulphate, after being "inspired" by
R*verdance ....
west...@my-dejanews.com
adh...@deifir.ie (Mór Cóta) wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:27:26 +0100, "Dr Q" <dr_q...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
]>
> I think that the future lies in a fruitful union of the authentic,
> real Gaelic culture and the mass-produced, ersatz MTV culture. Such
> as the dance routines of B*witched[1], oh yes, come all ye scholars.
>
> [1] imagine the Spice Girls on sulphate, after being "inspired" by
> R*verdance ....
The really horrible thing about B*tch is the way that their songs stick to the
inside of your mind like a Hiberno-pop dirty protest.
J.
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Jasper
I think even Mr. Adams would agree that Gaelic isn't his strong point
when it comes to languages.
Jasper
Brónx
>With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
>over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
>you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
>boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
>giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
and end. This is based (I`m not taking the piss!) on what people are
supposed to do during an add break like make a cup of tea (with an
electric kettle) or switch on the light etc., or similiar activities.
How they get them during the day I don`t know, unless theres some
very silly people about, who have a habit of turning on lights after
programs and then realising it`s daytime, saying "shit, better make
a cup of tea, I`m going mad", to the kitchen they go, turn on the electric
kettle, then realise they have a gas cooker and it would be cheaper
using the gas rings to boil the water for a cup of tea. I dunno, maybe
there`s an electrical surge when everyone switches channels when the
adverts come on, which defeats the whole purpose in the first place.
In Britain viewing figures are based on a secret selection of parts of
the population who are given special equipment which monitors their
viewing habits and then sends the daily figures by phone to wherever
it is and all the figures are compiled and that is regarded as a
viewpoint for the whole populations viewing habits, I think they still use
the Electric Surge method in Britain also aswell.
There is a rumour that the new SKY Digiboxes will record the viewing
habits of everyone who uses them and phone up BIB (who are
subsidising the Digiboxes) and forward all your details for marketing
purposes ie., to determin advertising rates for the most watched
programs.
Stations also are believed to use opinion polls, like random ones,
going out in the streets and asking people what they watch and listen
to on radio and TV, but I have NEVER ever heard of anyone who
has been asked to participate in any of these polls so they are
definetley not representative of the whole population and any average
drawn up from them cannot be seen as truthfull in any way.
Even the Electricy Surge method would seem less of a joke than
the opinion polls method. Has anyone ever been asked to participate
in any opinion polls regarding TV/radio viewing ? Or know anyone
that has ?
I`ve a friend in England whose family participates in a load of "secret"
marketing things, like the viewing habits one and another one which
involves shopping habits, they have to scan the barcodes from what
they buy in the shops and all the details are automatically sent by
phone during the early morning by whichever company it is phoning
up and downloading the details from a box the barcode scanner is
connected too. They get paid for participating aswell of course.
With the credit card type points system that Tesco and others use,
I guess the method my friends family participate in will be phased
out soon. Big brothers watching your every move and you know it !
>The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
>money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
>viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
>pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
>anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
Isn`t that an independant station though ? You know, they don`t
rob any of our money with regards the TV licence and rely only
on advertising etc., as income ?
Maybe I`m wrong, maybe they do get licence fee money but I
always thought they didn`t and that was the whole point of being
independant.
Slán.
Dub Remix
> I think that the future lies in a fruitful union of the authentic,
> real Gaelic culture and the mass-produced, ersatz MTV culture. Such
> as the dance routines of B*witched[1], oh yes, come all ye scholars.
The problem with B*witched is that they make me nervous with all the
jumping around they do. Also I wound'nt ride any of them. I would have
ridden Geri from the Spice Girls, but she left.
Taking of shite they have the Xmas kiddies annuals in the local
newsagents and they placed the Manchester United yearsbook between the
Tellytubbies and Barney yearbooks.
Is'nt Natural Selection just perfect!
--
Son of Unki
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>TnG works because it is not trapped in a Gaelic League dross and none of
>the programms are edited so you get loads of French and German films
>with all the ranchy sex scenes included.
Shocking, simply shocking...
[nods head in disbelief, says a quick rosary..]
Brónx
>> Ziggy wrote in message <1dgnxzj.1r0...@ts02-072.dublin.indigo.ie>...
>> >And Gerry Adams bizarre speeches in Irish at the peace process meetings
>> And all them people at UN meetings not speaking English, terrible isn`t it ?
>> Who the hell do they think they are speaking their native language ?!?
>when it comes to languages.
Nor is it mine, in fact I`d probably speak better German than Irish if
someone tried to hold a conversation with me in either language.
It`s not the point though, if people want to speak their native language
then nobody has any right to deny them that or belittle them when
they do speak it.
Slán.
Tomás Breathnach
>I think even Mr. Adams would agree that Gaelic isn't his strong point
>when it comes to languages.
Indeed. Perhaps the Assembly's translators can supply a simultaneous
translation into a recognisable form of Irish.
Tom
>Jasper
-- But it's no use, says he. Force, hatred, history, all that. That's not life
for men and women, insult and hatred. And everybody knows that it's the very
opposite of that that is really life.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Dub Remix <kfuz...@SPAMJAM.tinet.ie> wrote:
>
>> Eh, it is a really good station. It gets higher ratings in Ireland than
>> MTV. So some people must like it.
>
>Interesting that the boss of the station admitted last week that the
>highest ratings were for programs in English . . . .
This is a surprise to you?
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>BUT, Tna G is a terrestrial station available to all, unlike MTV,
>which is exclusively available to cable, MMDS and satellite users, and
>therefore not widely available.
>
>Not a fair comparison.
What % of the population has no access to cable?
Niall Mac Eòghainn
I speak Gaelic, so where's my cheque? BTW it's "Cóta Mór",
Justin. Odd that you did that exhaustive sweep of Gaelic literature
without noticing that the adjective usually comes after the noun.
Neil
--
seoladh ceart: mce...@supercity.ns.ca
"cumail cogadh ri na ceudan,
cumail Gàidhlig ri luchd Beurla"
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
> the viewing figures for T na G were announced
>over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
>you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
>boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
>giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
Anyone know where I can find these figures? They're not on the RTE
site.
Eddie Wall
wrote:
>Eddie Wall wrote:
>
>> the viewing figures for T na G were announced
>>over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
>>you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
>>boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
>>giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
>
>Anyone know where I can find these figures? They're not on the RTE
>site.
>
This surprises you ??
I got the figures from the Sunday Times in Irish Agenda in the back of
the business section on the 11th of October. Funny thing is this
article is not on their electronic version at
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk so I contacted their Irish Office who
are happy enough to fax it to me, which is pointless as I have it
here. They are checking why it is not on the site and are getting back
to me,or forwarding it to me by email.
I really am not in the humour of typing the whole bloody thing out but
I can pcx it and forward it if you like.
Fugures quoted were that one of the council memebers left, the figures
are a rating disaster and " audiences for Irish langauge programmes
rarely climb above 10,000."
"The only programmes attracting significant audiences are repeats of
classic sporting clashes and english langauge movies"
It also said that TV3 was launched on a shoe string and claim to have
reached 6% their target auduence for the year in the first 10 days. !!
It mentioned that the "column" maintained at launch in Oct 1996 and
now feels vindacated that TnaG would be rating disaster and a waste of
taxpayers money.
For general information the actual programmes watching figures are
compiled to give "TAM" rating from small units attached to televisions
sets, that record the time, duration and channel watched and modems
it to a central station every so often. ( My sister has one of the
units so thats how I know) From what I understand the number and
socio-economic standing of the households is strictly worked out to
give a representative cross section of the country and produce the
figures which appear to be acceptable to the advertising community.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 05:26:10 GMT, Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin)
>wrote:
>
>>Eddie Wall wrote:
>>
>>> the viewing figures for T na G were announced
>>>over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
>>>you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
>>>boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
>>>giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
>>
>>Anyone know where I can find these figures? They're not on the RTE
>>site.
>>
>This surprises you ??
No. The lacklustre response times on most Irish websites are an
accepted fact of life by this stage.
>I really am not in the humour of typing the whole bloody thing out but
>I can pcx it and forward it if you like.
I'd appreciate that.
>Fugures quoted were that one of the council memebers left, the figures
>are a rating disaster and " audiences for Irish langauge programmes
>rarely climb above 10,000."
Which if you accept that there are only about 27,500 Irish speakers is
quite remarkable :)
How many other programmes can claim a 30%+ share?
[spin spin spin]
[As an aside, the source for that 27,500 figure is a French book on
the minority languages of Europe, but I have no idea how the book
arrived at the figure.]
Ziggy
> Ziggy wrote in message <1dgnxzj.1r0...@ts02-072.dublin.indigo.ie>...
> >And Gerry Adams bizarre speeches in Irish at the peace process meetings
>
> And all them people at UN meetings not speaking English, terrible isn`t it ?
> Who the hell do they think they are speaking their native language ?!?
. . . .native ? huh ?
Z
Ziggy
> With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
> over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
> you , but as many as 10,000 viewers
All english langauge programs !
>
> The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
> money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
> viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
> pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
> anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
And how much of that money cam from our taxes then ?
Z
Ziggy
> The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
> money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
> viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
> pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
> anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
Oh here we go . . . . . .we criticise and we MUST be Dubliners. and
Anti-Irish. bollocks !
I'm a farmer and proud to be one and as far as anti irish ? my family
gave their lives for Irish freedom over hundreds of years - so sit on
that and squirm !
Try ARGUMENT next time instead of bigoted vitriol.
Z
Ziggy
> >The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
> >money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
> >viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
> >pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
> >anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
>
> Isn`t that an independant station though ? You know, they don`t
> rob any of our money with regards the TV licence and rely only
> on advertising etc., as income ?
> Maybe I`m wrong, maybe they do get licence fee money but I
> always thought they didn`t and that was the whole point of being
> independant.
You're not wrong. They get NONE of our money. And by the way, if
anyone believes the audience figures for TnaG they need a dose of
reality. I understand they 'guess' the number of tv's tuned to TnaG and
then mutiply by about 5 to estimate the size of households. My guess is
that only a few thousand people other than the
employees/friends/neighbours/lovers/family etc were watching . . . while
we cough up the tax payers money for their fat salaries.
Think how many extra hospital beds we could have for £10M; how many
extra nurses we could have for £10M; how many less homeless children ?
how many more gardai ?
Z
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>Think how many extra hospital beds we could have for Ł10M; how many
>extra nurses we could have for Ł10M; how many less homeless children ?
>how many more gardai ?
How big is the Dept of Health budget?
how big is the Dept. of Environment budget?
How big is the Dept. of Justice budget?
Now, how big is the TnG budget?
Eddie Wall
>Eddie Wall <edw...@indigo.ie> wrote:
>> The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
>> money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
>> viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
>> pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
>> anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
>
>And how much of that money cam from our taxes then ?
>
>Z
The really hilarious thing is that you cant see how stupid you are!.
ROTFL........ I think I deserve a prize for this one, hook line and
sinker in one cast.!
Eddie Wall
Snip Snip
>
>Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
>of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
>and end. This is based (I`m not taking the piss!)
This is a load of crap.....
Snip Snip
>
>I`ve a friend in England whose family participates in a load of "secret"
>marketing things, like the viewing habits one and another one which
Secret shopping is widespread in Ireland too. You only just heard of
it.??? There are a number of companies that I have done it for.
>
Snip Snip
>
>Isn`t that an independant station though ? You know, they don`t
>rob any of our money with regards the TV licence and rely only
>on advertising etc., as income ?
God your sharp.... ever think of joining densa....
Eddie Wall
wrote:
>No. The lacklustre response times on most Irish websites are an
>accepted fact of life by this stage.
I think they would probably be prevented from making it public
anyhow.!
>I'd appreciate that.
No bother.. on it's way.
>Which if you accept that there are only about 27,500 Irish speakers is
>quite remarkable :)
>How many other programmes can claim a 30%+ share?
>[spin spin spin]
LOL.... Finlay eat your heart out........!
>
>
>[As an aside, the source for that 27,500 figure is a French book on
>the minority languages of Europe, but I have no idea how the book
>arrived at the figure.]
>
Be nice if we could nail down a figure somwhere alright.!
Bren
> Be nice if we could nail down a figure somwhere alright.!
>
> Eddie
Yeah...I wouldn't mind nailing Kate Winslett's figure for a start!
Shit, did I say that out loud??
bren, this damn neural-usenet link has just got to go....
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>The really hilarious thing is that you cant see how stupid you are!.
>
>ROTFL........ I think I deserve a prize for this one, hook line and
>sinker in one cast.!
Almost as good as when you called me a Merkin...
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:58:19 +0100, "Brónx" <Brón...@breac.ie> wrote:
>>Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
>>of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
>>and end. This is based (I`m not taking the piss!)
>This is a load of crap.....
Not quite. The ESB can see power surges as everyone goes to make a
cuppa when Gaybo goes for an ad break.
Colin Rosenthal
--
Colin Rosenthal
High Altitude Observatory
Boulder, Colorado
rose...@hao.ucar.edu
Dr Q
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message <36238900...@news.wwa.com>...
>
>Almost as good as when you called me a Merkin...
You're not that off Merkanism sometimes. All that saves you so far is that
you actually know what you're talking about.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
Indeed. Eddies observation OTOH, was based on the fact that I was
defending I-Ams and therefore couldn't possibly be a Paddy.
Ah sweet memories: "I'm sure you think that your Irish ...the fact
that you ACTUALLY, have never even been to Ireland, does not seem
matter one way or the other."
& on a related note..
<RANT>
One of the things that niggles about SCI is the willingness of posters
who've never been near the States to sound off about the US in ways
that would result in major flame wars if a Yank made the same
assumptions & generalizations about Good Ole Erin.
</RANT>
Modra Dubh
-Conway
--
Ni dheanfach an saol capall ras d'asal
To exchange personal insults via email, please remove "md@" and replace with
"ccaine@")
Dr Q wrote in message <6vvu79$fts$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
>......All that saves you so far is that you actually know what you're
talking about.
Eddie Wall
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:17:16 +0100, Dr Q wrote:
>
>>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message <36238900...@news.wwa.com>...
>
>Indeed. Eddies observation OTOH, was based on the fact that I was
>defending I-Ams and therefore couldn't possibly be a Paddy.
>
>Ah sweet memories: "I'm sure you think that your Irish ...the fact
>that you ACTUALLY, have never even been to Ireland, does not seem
>matter one way or the other."
>
Ahh I remember it well...... I am not often embarassed and it took a
while to bluster my way out of that one :-)
Eddie Wall
wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:37:06 GMT, Eddie Wall wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 04:58:19 +0100, "Brónx" <Brón...@breac.ie> wrote:
>
>>>Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
>>>of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
>>>and end. This is based (I`m not taking the piss!)
>>This is a load of crap.....
>
>Not quite. The ESB can see power surges as everyone goes to make a
>cuppa when Gaybo goes for an ad break.
What you is true and has nothing to do with the statements above, ie
that viewing figures are based on surges and my assertation that it
is a load of crap. The way the measure is with the device I mentioned
elsewhere.
Chris Hedley
Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin) writes:
>Not quite. The ESB can see power surges as everyone goes to make a
>cuppa when Gaybo goes for an ad break.
ESB? When did real ale enter this discussion?
Chris.
Brendan Heading
>> Ziggy wrote in message <1dgnxzj.1r0...@ts02-072.dublin.indigo.ie>...
>> >And Gerry Adams bizarre speeches in Irish at the peace process meetings
>>
>> And all them people at UN meetings not speaking English, terrible isn`t it ?
>> Who the hell do they think they are speaking their native language ?!?
>>
>
>I think even Mr. Adams would agree that Gaelic isn't his strong point
>when it comes to languages.
Agreed. Contrary to what Bronx says, English is (like it or not) Adams'
native language.. "native" in this context meaning the language he
learnt on his mother's knee.
--
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Brendan Heading
>Nor is it mine, in fact I`d probably speak better German than Irish if
>someone tried to hold a conversation with me in either language.
>It`s not the point though, if people want to speak their native language
>then nobody has any right to deny them that or belittle them when
>they do speak it.
Why speak Irish when
1. You can speak English better
2. Nobody else speaks Irish
3. It costs money to translate ?
Brónx
>>Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
>>of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
>>and end. This is based (I`m not taking the piss!)
>This is a load of crap.....
No it`s not, the Electrical Surge method is still used by TV and radio
stations in Ireland.
They also use the little black boxes in certain households around
the country to log your viewing, then it`s collected by modem and
a very simplified average is gained, to suggest the whole countries
viewing habits. What I was told is that there is only 250 households
chosen around the country to participate in this method, now how
the hell can they represent the rest of the country I don`t know.
It`s all about money, the more made up viewing figures you get, then
the more you can demand from advertisers.
>>I`ve a friend in England whose family participates in a load of "secret"
>>marketing things, like the viewing habits one and another one which
>Secret shopping is widespread in Ireland too. You only just heard of
>it.??? There are a number of companies that I have done it for.
Nooo, I`ve not only just heard of it.
>>Isn`t that an independant station though ? You know, they don`t
>>rob any of our money with regards the TV licence and rely only
>>on advertising etc., as income ?
>God your sharp.... ever think of joining densa....
Pretty damn funny guy you are, top class stuff, densa, hehehoho !
Let me quote your original question to which I posted my reply...
[Your snot...]
>The begrudging Dubliner's would be far better looking at how much
>money is being spent to get TV3 off the ground, jees.. they had
>viewing figures like 40-50,000 from day one.... that must have cost a
>pretty penny but you dont here a word from that brigade or the
>anti-Irish brigade about it ....do you. ?
Now let me explain my reply to you in more simple terms and in
more in-depth terms, so you can try and understand it...
[My snot...]
>Isn`t that an independant station though ? You know, they don`t
>rob any of our money with regards the TV licence and rely only
>on advertising etc., as income ?
>Maybe I`m wrong, maybe they do get licence fee money but I
>always thought they didn`t and that was the whole point of being
>independant.
Right, the reason there is not the anti-Irish brigade or any other
brigade slagging TV3 is because TV3 does not demand money
from the licence payers of the country, TnaG does. Hence, if TV3
is complete shite, we, the people, will lose no money or be forced
to pay for TV3 being a shite station, if TV3 did get licence money
then I`m sure there would be a lot of people complaining about it.
TnaG is shite and does not deserve the licence money, I want an
Irish language station sure, but I want a good one, TnaG is not.
RTÉ do not deserve the licence money they get as they make
enough money from advertising to sustain all of their operations.
I and I`m sure others, do not want to pay money so RTÉ can fill
the pockets of bores like Pat Kenny, Gay Byrne and others.
The only time I ever turn RTÉ`s TV stations on is to read the
teletext and maybe watch Nationwide and GAA and local and
(when they had the rights) International soccer. The films also
shown on RTÉ tend to be uncut and uncensored, unlike the
BBC and ITV, where watching a film there can sometimes
be annoying and useless with the amount of stupid censorship.
The licence fee should be abolished. If a case was brought
against RTÉ in a European court for abolishment of the licence
fee, then RTÉ would lose. They cannot justify the licence fee
anymore, nobody can. TV and Radio stations make enough
money thru advertising and the licence money is an unfair
and uncompetitive advantage that those that get it have, over
those that have to survive and get by pretty damn well without
it, haven`t.
Or, at least you should have a choice, if you want RTÉ and
TnaG then you have to pay for it, if you don`t want them, then
you shouldn`t have to pay for them. If that wasn`t bad enough,
you then have to pay CableLink (which is still owned by RTÉ)
another load of money to watch the same stations.
The BBC, Ch4 and Ch5 are now available on digital satellite,
if you cancelled your cable account in Ireland tomorrow and
got yourself a SKY Digibox, you could watch everything bar
TV5 on the new Astra Satellite with SKY as you could with
CableLink, in fact it would be of better all round qualiy and
cheaper too, plus, you have a choice, if you want it, you pay
for it, if not then all you get is the free to air channels.
You could just hang a coat hanger out the back of your TV
to get TV3, RTÉ and TnaG. Only thing you`d miss is UTV
which is not in the SKY package, though a simple more
up-to-date ariel than a coat hanger should rectify that.
Slán.
Dr Q
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message <36249976...@news.wwa.com>...
>
><RANT>
>One of the things that niggles about SCI is the willingness of posters
>who've never been near the States to sound off about the US in ways
>that would result in major flame wars if a Yank made the same
>assumptions & generalizations about Good Ole Erin.
></RANT>
Ger, that's far from truth. I never criticise America or American culture.
I do leap at the throats of Americans who adopt particularly inappropriate
stances concerning the country that is my home. I wonder, and ask why they
lust for our culture in place of their own. I do no not enter into the
great American threads unless it is with a joke, or a semi-troll designed to
turn the thread back towards Irish culture.
As for yourself, I merely point ou that because you now live in America and
are heading for American citizenship, does it mean that you've forgotten
about the education that taught you to spell "center" with an "re" at the
end and that maths is a plural subject.
Dr Q
Modra Dubh wrote in message <6vvuu5$j...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>Which certainly sets him apart from you!!!
>-Conway
Crap, Conway.
Much I enjoy your posts, you will never beat me in an argument concerning
the topic of any post I make.
Niall Mac Eòghainn
>Why speak Irish when
>
>1. You can speak English better
To reach out to the people who speak Irish better? The Canadian
PM can barely speak English sometimes but he's obliged to try
anyway.
>2. Nobody else speaks Irish
I'm sure the other Shinners do, and some of their constituents.
>3. It costs money to translate ?
It costs money to do many things, but that doesn't mean they
aren't worth doing. It costs money to have politicians to begin
with.
Neil
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Modra Dubh
if that were possible. Rather it's my intent to poke you up from time to
time. This, I find, induces a certain level of circumspect behavior on the
part of good natured Merk bashers. It seems to have little or no effect on
bad natured Merk bashers. You, of course, are a good natured Merk basher and
worthy of redemption.
-Conway
("Poke you up" may have a somewhat different and less salacious connotation
of this side of the Atlantic)
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Dr Q wrote in message <700p4c$5c1$1...@news.indigo.ie>...
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:42:26 GMT, Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin)
>wrote:
>>No. The lacklustre response times on most Irish websites are an
>>accepted fact of life by this stage.
>
>I think they would probably be prevented from making it public
>anyhow.!
TAM Ratings are probably easily enough available if you call RTE. At
any rate, the shiny new FoIA should get them.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>
>Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin wrote in message <36249976...@news.wwa.com>...
>
>>
>><RANT>
>>One of the things that niggles about SCI is the willingness of posters
>>who've never been near the States to sound off about the US in ways
>>that would result in major flame wars if a Yank made the same
>>assumptions & generalizations about Good Ole Erin.
>></RANT>
>
>Ger, that's far from truth. I never criticise America or American culture.
Did I mention you?
[..]
>As for yourself, I merely point ou that because you now live in America and
>are heading for American citizenship, does it mean that you've forgotten
>about the education that taught you to spell "center" with an "re" at the
>end and that maths is a plural subject.
I have a simple choice. If I spell to please you, then I look
illiterate to the people who pay my bills.
Not a difficult choice.
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:12:58 GMT, Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin)
>wrote:
>>Not quite. The ESB can see power surges as everyone goes to make a
>>cuppa when Gaybo goes for an ad break.
>
>What you is true and has nothing to do with the statements above, ie
>that viewing figures are based on surges and my assertation that it
>is a load of crap. The way the measure is with the device I mentioned
>elsewhere.
Eddie, consider the significance of the "Not quite" qualifier at the
start of my post.
Eddie Wall
wrote:
>Eddie Wall wrote:
>
>Eddie, consider the significance of the "Not quite" qualifier at the
>start of my post.
>
Shit shit shit... I hate whan that happens.... !
Eddie Wall
snips nsip
>-Conway
>("Poke you up" may have a somewhat different and less salacious connotation
>of this side of the Atlantic)
I should bloody well hope so...
p u l s e
wrote:
>
>TAM Ratings are probably easily enough available if you call RTE. At
>any rate, the shiny new FoIA should get them.
TAM Ratings are published weekly in the RTE Guide.
Slán,
Niall O'Keeffe (pulse)
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"Brónx" <Brón...@breac.ie> wrote:
> Eddie Wall wrote in message <3620ea1c...@news.indigo.ie>...
> >With you all the way... the viewing figures for T na G were announced
> >over the weekend and for some programs there were as many, peak mind
> >you , but as many as 10,000 viewers, sure no wonder the advertising
> >boys are delighted....for the few million lousy quid the gov are
> >giving them the station is doing an awsome job.
>
> Ye do all realise that viewing figures in Ireland are based on surges
> of electricity during add breaks and before and after programs start
> supposed to do during an add break like make a cup of tea (with an
> electric kettle) or switch on the light etc., or similiar activities.
> How they get them during the day I don`t know, unless theres some
> very silly people about, who have a habit of turning on lights after
> programs and then realising it`s daytime, saying "shit, better make
> a cup of tea, I`m going mad", to the kitchen they go, turn on the electric
> kettle, then realise they have a gas cooker and it would be cheaper
> using the gas rings to boil the water for a cup of tea. I dunno, maybe
> there`s an electrical surge when everyone switches channels when the
> adverts come on, which defeats the whole purpose in the first place.
Eh!
How could they use this to find out viewing figures for individual channels?
Ad breaks seemed to be timed to co-incide with one another. What about BBC?
What's your source for this? I don't know but I suspect viewing figures are
based in Ireland are based on a "secret" sample of the population just like
everywhere else.
<snip>
>I think they still use
> the Electric Surge method in Britain also aswell.
Sounds like some kind of Vatican 2 contraceptive technique.
> There is a rumour that the new SKY Digiboxes will record the viewing
> habits of everyone who uses them and phone up BIB (who are
> subsidising the Digiboxes) and forward all your details for marketing
> purposes ie., to determin advertising rates for the most watched
> programs.
> Stations also are believed to use opinion polls, like random ones,
You make out like market reasearch in TV is some kind of covert operation why?
> With the credit card type points system that Tesco and others use,
> I guess the method my friends family participate in will be phased
> out soon. Big brothers watching your every move and you know it !
No he's not, They know it, they volunteered for it. Any fool knows that
"loyalty cards" are used to build up a data base on your shopping habits. I
got mine off my mother when she moved to Germany. They must be wondering how
a family of five survive on so little food.
Ferg
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>>("Poke you up" may have a somewhat different and less salacious
Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin
>On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:38:50 GMT, Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin)
>wrote:
>>
>>TAM Ratings are probably easily enough available if you call RTE. At
>>any rate, the shiny new FoIA should get them.
>
>TAM Ratings are published weekly in the RTE Guide.
Just the Top Ten IIRC.
Brendan Heading
<nial...@cathairmhor.an.ca> writes
>>Why speak Irish when
>>
>>1. You can speak English better
>
> To reach out to the people who speak Irish better? The Canadian
>PM can barely speak English sometimes but he's obliged to try
>anyway.
Dunno about Canada, but here, people can generally speak English better
than they can Irish (if they can speak Irish at all).
>>2. Nobody else speaks Irish
>
>
> I'm sure the other Shinners do, and some of their constituents.
That's OK when you're talking to Shinners. It's not OK when most of the
other people you're talking to on the floor of the assembly are not
Shinners.
>>3. It costs money to translate ?
>
> It costs money to do many things, but that doesn't mean they
>aren't worth doing. It costs money to have politicians to begin
>with.
Having a translator to translate from Irish when the speaker can already
speak fine English - indeed, probably as their first language - is
nothing other than a complete waste of resources.
Christian Murphy
p u l s e <pu...@tinet.trousers.ie> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Oct 1998 02:38:50 GMT, Ger@r.d (Gearóid Mac Cuinneagáin)
>wrote:
>>
>>TAM Ratings are probably easily enough available if you call RTE. At
>>any rate, the shiny new FoIA should get them.
>
>TAM Ratings are published weekly in the RTE Guide.
Small nitpick. TAM don't do the ratings any more. That American
crowd have taken over (Nielsen, I can't remember the right spelling).
...yet another step on the road to becoming the 51st State...[*]
Regards,
-christian
[* what, you need to be told there's something stirring?]