Where can I get a power "connector" that will fit my new ThinkPad T60? (to my Trust 'universal' power supply)
ship
- Trust power supply
Hi
Anyone know where (in the UK) I can buy a new DC power connector
or my new Thinkpad T60?
One of the EXTREMELY irritating things about the new ThinkPad T60 is
that
Lenovo have not only changed the battery dimensions (which means that
my spare thinkpad batteries are now redundant) - but they have also
changed the power connector dimension - meaning that my Trust
"universal"
power supplies no longer fit either!
The problem is that I have already bought *two* "universal" power
supplies
made by Trust (model 200NS) to go with my previous old Thinkpad...
but now Lenovo have changed the connector!
So *none* of the connectors that came with the Turst power supply fit
the
new Thinkpad.
The little barrel-shaped connector is now MUCH larger then it was.
(It is about 8mm instead of 6.5mm.)
But having spent all that money on universal power supplies... I really
dont
want to buy completely new power supples - when all I need is a new
connectors! Because I only ever use these Trust power supplies for my
laptop,
I am happy to strip the end of the DC power supply and permanently
solder
on a new connector. All I need is THE CONNECTOR!
BUT "RS Supplies" in the UK told me that the new 8mm connectors
are NON-standard and that they will be hard to find...
Any thoughts?
With thanks
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Phil Sherman
T60. I just hope that the "universal" supply will supply the appropriate
voltage and watts for the T60.
Radio Shack also sells universal supplies using interchangeable tips.
They may have one that fits - here, the tips are $5.00 (USD).
You may have to wait for a couple of months for the aftermarket vendors
catch up to the new plug size.
Phil Sherman
Steve H
>- Lenovo TS ThinkPad T60 (UT0F4UK / 2007-F4G)
>Hi
>
>Anyone know where (in the UK) I can buy a new DC power connector
>or my new Thinkpad T60?
>
>One of the EXTREMELY irritating things about the new ThinkPad T60 is
>that
>Lenovo have not only changed the battery dimensions (which means that
>my spare thinkpad batteries are now redundant) - but they have also
>changed the power connector dimension - meaning that my Trust
>"universal"
>power supplies no longer fit either!
>
>The problem is that I have already bought *two* "universal" power
>supplies
>made by Trust (model 200NS) to go with my previous old Thinkpad...
>but now Lenovo have changed the connector!
>
>So *none* of the connectors that came with the Turst power supply fit
>the
>new Thinkpad.
>
>The little barrel-shaped connector is now MUCH larger then it was.
>(It is about 8mm instead of 6.5mm.)
<snip>
D'you know any engineers?
I've adapted power supply plugs by fitting a brass sleeve to them to
increase the plug diameter. Such sleeves needn't run the entire length
of the plug - the connecting plate in the socket usually contacts the
plug about halfway up its length. Provided the sleeve fits snugly
enough ( a sliding fit ) it is sufficient to secure it with a drop of
superglue on its base.
Soldering it in place would be better, but it involves the risk of
melting the internal plastics.
If you can find a local model engineer or enthusiast you'd probably be
looking at handing over a fiver for such a job ( try
uk.rec.models.engineering ?).
Regards,
--
Steve ( out in the sticks )
Email: anyoldname(*AT*)gmx(*dot*)co(*dot*)uk
ship
Damn-it!
Why in *God's name* did IBM change the power connector (plug)
dimensions?
It turns out that NO ONE on the planet can supply a connector that fits
other than IBM. And for theirs you have to buy a whole new power
supply!
This is a DISGUSTING WASTE because I already have two "universal"
power adapter units - but none of the 6 connectors that come with it
now fit.
* IBM
IBM refuse to sell just the Connectors. In fact you have to buy the
ENTIRE
POWER SUPPLY in order do get the connector. GBP59.00 each.
But what a *waste* of the world's resources! I have two perfectly good
Trust power supplies and now I cant use either of them!
* TRUST
I have contacted Trust and they do not have ANY connector that will fit
the new
Thinkpad T60.
The don't really seem to care much either. They *may* develope one in a
couple
of months, there again they may NOT. But I need a connector now!
* RS COMPONENTS
tell me it's a "non-standard" part can they cant supply such a thing.
The IBM has an external barrel diameter or about 8MM whereas the
largest
that they supply has diameter of about 6.2MM
* MAPLIN - same thing.
* MORGAN COMPUTER - cant help.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH !!!
How the heck are we supplied to "save the planet" when manufacturers
*deliberately* make incompatible kit to force us to buy their spares.
This is the unacceptable face of capitalism.
IBM, shame on you - Al Gore would crucify you!!
And I am DAMNED if I am going to reward IBM / LENOVO with
GBP 118 (59.00 x2 ) of my money.
Any suggestions?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
ship
> D'you know any engineers?
No - not really!
> I've adapted power supply plugs by fitting a brass sleeve to them to
> increase the plug diameter. Such sleeves needn't run the entire length
> of the plug - the connecting plate in the socket usually contacts the
> plug about halfway up its length.
I'll have another look but I think the inner diameter is large too...
I *suppose* I could try drilling it out... but most of my previous
attempts at this sort of thing have been thoroughly unreliable!
(Also there may be a central pin contact - not sure I'll have check!)
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
Steve H
Don't bother trying to drill it out, it's too fragile..the whole thing
will just cave in ( been there, done that ).
As a last resort you could always try a 'wanted' ad on ebay for a dead
IBM power supply. Bound to be a few around already...and it's the sort
of thing no-one would think of selling.
Larry
IBM would have never tried this. I think once Lenovo truly learns corporate
needs, stuff like this might stop.
I fear it's going to be a rocky road though.
-Larry
"ship" <shi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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ship
> >> increase the plug diameter. Such sleeves needn't run the entire length
> >> of the plug - the connecting plate in the socket usually contacts the
> >> plug about halfway up its length.
> >
> >I'll have another look but I think the inner diameter is large too...
> >I *suppose* I could try drilling it out... but most of my previous
> >attempts at this sort of thing have been thoroughly unreliable!
> >(Also there may be a central pin contact - not sure I'll have check!)
> >
> Don't bother trying to drill it out, it's too fragile..the whole thing
> will just cave in ( been there, done that ).
>
> As a last resort you could always try a 'wanted' ad on ebay for a dead
> IBM power supply. Bound to be a few around already...and it's the sort
> of thing no-one would think of selling.
Interesting suggestion.
Two problems -
1. the T60 is pretty new so I dont know how many folks will be wanting
to part with any part of their power supplies
2. I'm not very familiar with ebay - I had a look but I simply cant
figure out how to put something in any "Wanted section" - is that the
Classified Ads or something?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
BillW50
You don't know the half of it! Companies like IBM and AOL can't
compete in a fair marketplace and thus use their household names to
rip off their customers. And yes they get sued, pled not guilty and
pay the fine with is still far cheaper than to stop ripping off
their customers.
Never seen the inside IBM video of how IBM was going to replace DOS
with OS/2 back in the late 80's did you? They wanted it to be a big
success so everyone including clones were using it. And once they
owned the desktop market, the plan was to make it only to work on
true IBM machines. Thus killing off the whole clone market.
Thankfully Bill Gates killed off IBM plans for world domination.
--
Bill
ship
Those stupid B*STARDS at Lenovo.
Dont they realise that the whole POINT of a corporate showing
loyalty to a brand, is that the same brand needs to show loyalty
to the corporate's investment?!
And that includes SPARES. Honestly.
As a point of principle I am NOT going to buy any more spares
from Lenovo. It's bad enough that they have changed the battery
dimensions - they MAY have been good reasons for that - although
I am pretty doubtful... And I thus now have two spare batteries
for my dead T23 thinkpad, *neither* of which I can use.
This kind of behaviour may create a short-term financial gain, but
make no mistake they are also building up massive consumer
resentment and thereby killing their own brand in the longer run.
Eventually no doubt Trust or SOMEONE will build a compatable
connector I can use...
How can we get through to Lenovo?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe.
Carl Farrington
Thanks for that.
Yet another way in which Lenovo have downgraded the T-series Thinkpads.
So far we have:
Ugly square Power/Vol-up/Vol-Down buttons.
Rank, nasty, boring touchpad buttons
Proprietry PSU connector.
Next they'll be getting rid of the rubberised finish on the lids.
JHEM
> Damn-it!
>
> Why in *God's name* did IBM change the power connector (plug)
> dimensions?
Because the new T60s require more amperage than the old A/T/X power bricks
are capable of providing, and Lenovo didn't want to be sued when somebody
burned their house down by trying to use one of the old power bricks and it
overheated when plugged into the T60!
--
James
Visit the Thinkpad Forums
http://forum.thinkpads.com
BillW50
> ship wrote:
>> Damn-it!
>>
>> Why in *God's name* did IBM change the power connector (plug)
>> dimensions?
>
> Because the new T60s require more amperage than the old A/T/X power
> bricks are capable of providing, and Lenovo didn't want to be sued
> when somebody burned their house down by trying to use one of the old
> power bricks and it overheated when plugged into the T60!
Oh so they have to use jacks that are non-standard which you can't
purchase anywhere? What a load of crap! They make standard jacks that
can handle 1000's of amps if you need them that size. No reason to use
non-standard jacks except to rip off the consumer! Aren't they happy
enough to sell the consumer a $30 battery for over $100?
--
Bill
Steve H
>> >> I've adapted power supply plugs by fitting a brass sleeve to them to
>> >> increase the plug diameter. Such sleeves needn't run the entire length
>> >> of the plug - the connecting plate in the socket usually contacts the
>> >> plug about halfway up its length.
>> >
>> >I'll have another look but I think the inner diameter is large too...
>> >I *suppose* I could try drilling it out... but most of my previous
>> >attempts at this sort of thing have been thoroughly unreliable!
>> >(Also there may be a central pin contact - not sure I'll have check!)
>> >
>> Don't bother trying to drill it out, it's too fragile..the whole thing
>> will just cave in ( been there, done that ).
>>
>> As a last resort you could always try a 'wanted' ad on ebay for a dead
>> IBM power supply. Bound to be a few around already...and it's the sort
>> of thing no-one would think of selling.
>
>Interesting suggestion.
>Two problems -
>1. the T60 is pretty new so I dont know how many folks will be wanting
>to part with any part of their power supplies
None, if they're working...accidents will happen though..
>
>2. I'm not very familiar with ebay - I had a look but I simply cant
>figure out how to put something in any "Wanted section" - is that the
>Classified Ads or something?
I don't know..I use ebay a lot, and have seen links for a wanted
section, but never used it myself.
I have a drawer full of power supplies ( computer and other ), I'll
have a sift through and see if there's anything approaching 8mm. I
know some early Toshiba laptops had relatively large plugs...
Steve Stone
would cut off the connector a few inches from the computer, and splice in an
easily found generic connector that could then be hooked up to my power
supply of choice.
Yes it will void the warranty.
My T60 has not left Hong Kong yet.
ship
Damned right!
I dont entirely BLAME Lenovo/IBM for trying to make more money.
But what they need to understand is that it's a long-term vs short-term
argument.
Yes if you want to make a quick buck, by all means screw your
customers.
You FD will no doubt be delighted. This year at least. But if you want
to build a brand, that has loyal following for being best of breed, for
being a quality build, for good customer services, good technical
support
and generally being on the customer's side, then you need to start
thinking LONG term.
Right now I am *utterly* hacked off and would never buy IBM/ThinkPad
again - JUST because they appear to be deliberately trying to screw us
rather than be on our side.
The question is does anyone at Lenovo/IBM listen to their customers?
And if so through what channels can we best communicate?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
ship
Steve Stone wrote:
> If I needed to do what you wanted to do and only had one power connector I
> would cut off the connector a few inches from the computer, and splice in an
> easily found generic connector that could then be hooked up to my power
> supply of choice.
>
> Yes it will void the warranty.
Steve you are a genius! Yes - I'll be look a but weird but I like it.
First I'll just vent my fury a little and flame Lenovo/IBM at
http://forum.thinkpads.com/
And then I'll buy some standard 'female' connectors and get
my soldering iron out.
Thanks - Nice one!
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
JHEM
>
> Oh so they have to use jacks that are non-standard which you can't
> purchase anywhere? What a load of crap! They make standard jacks that
> can handle 1000's of amps if you need them that size. No reason to use
> non-standard jacks except to rip off the consumer! Aren't they happy
> enough to sell the consumer a $30 battery for over $100?
Why should they make it easy to circumvent a safety feature?
The jacks _are_ standard, they can be purchased at many places.
JHEM
>
> The question is does anyone at Lenovo/IBM listen to their customers?
> And if so through what channels can we best communicate?
This isn't the first time this has occurred, e.g. the 75X and 76X series
thinkpads had completely different power plugs than 600 series machines, and
somehow the world has continued to spin on its axis.
JHEM
>
> Steve you are a genius! Yes - I'll be look a but weird but I like it.
> First I'll just vent my fury a little and flame Lenovo/IBM at
> http://forum.thinkpads.com/
Well, I guess you're NOT a genius Ship.
The Forum is _not_ part of IBM/Lenovo! Just like it says at the top of ever
page:
"Bill Morrow's ThinkPads.com Open Forum - _NOT_ part of IBM/Lenovo"
I hope your T60, which requires 20V, survives being fed 16V from your
cobbled up T4X series power brick.
BillW50
> BillW50 wrote:
>>
>> Oh so they have to use jacks that are non-standard which you can't
>> purchase anywhere? What a load of crap! They make standard jacks that
>> can handle 1000's of amps if you need them that size. No reason to
>> use non-standard jacks except to rip off the consumer! Aren't they
>> happy enough to sell the consumer a $30 battery for over $100?
>
> Why should they make it easy to circumvent a safety feature?
>
> The jacks _are_ standard, they can be purchased at many places.
I hear tell they are not. And not even universal power supplies
supposedly doesn't have them. And why circument a safety feature? What
safety feature would that be? The power plugs used are one of the most
dangerous ever designed.
--
Bill
ship
JHEM wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
> >
> > Oh so they have to use jacks that are non-standard which you can't
> > purchase anywhere? What a load of crap! They make standard jacks that
> > can handle 1000's of amps if you need them that size. No reason to use
> > non-standard jacks except to rip off the consumer! Aren't they happy
> > enough to sell the consumer a $30 battery for over $100?
>
> Why should they make it easy to circumvent a safety feature?
>
> The jacks _are_ standard, they can be purchased at many places.
Please name me one place in the UK.
I have tried "RS Components" who swear it is NOT standard.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
sapper
My understanding is that the change is due to the fact that the input
voltage is changed to 20V. I have an IGo universal power supply. They
do sell an adapter tip for the T60/X60 - the S31. Unfortunately it did
not fit the power supply I had (70W). They do fit the newer 130 Watt
supply. So even though the 70W power supply has an output voltage
range of 15 to 24V at a max 65 Watts I had to get the new power supply.
My X60 only needs 65 Watts so I wish I could have used the earlier
adapter.
ship
I must confess to being a fraction puzzled by the Watts aspect.
My universal adapter (from Trust) just talks about the voltage which
is adjustable with a screwdriver on the front of the thing.
What happens if it doesnt have a high enough Wattage?
(I cant image its a BIG problem because the IBM T60 takes
and INCREDIBLY long time to charge - it's almost as slow
to change as it is to discharge!)
I wonder if I could buy just the connector from IGO...?
Btw, my default plan is to cut my T60's power supply wire to the brick
from the laptop, quite near the connector and to solder on a "female"
connector
thing (er "socket"??) to receive the old T23 connectors - that way my
two old
Universal power supplies will still work. Obviously I will also
have to solder on a new T23 connect onto the T60 wires to the
power supply brick too. Thus I will have my 3 power supplies
again - one for each office.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
ship
ship wrote:
> sapper wrote:
> > My understanding is that the change is due to the fact that the input
> > voltage is changed to 20V. I have an IGo universal power supply. They
> > do sell an adapter tip for the T60/X60 - the S31. Unfortunately it did
> > not fit the power supply I had (70W). They do fit the newer 130 Watt
> > supply. So even though the 70W power supply has an output voltage
> > range of 15 to 24V at a max 65 Watts I had to get the new power supply.
> >
> > My X60 only needs 65 Watts so I wish I could have used the earlier
> > adapter.
>
> I must confess to being a fraction puzzled by the Watts aspect.
> My universal adapter (from Trust) just talks about the voltage which
> is adjustable with a screwdriver on the front of the thing.
> What happens if it doesnt have a high enough Wattage?
> (I cant image its a BIG problem because the IBM T60 takes
> and INCREDIBLY long time to charge - it's almost as slow
> to change as it is to discharge!)
>
> I wonder if I could buy just the connector from IGO...?
Actually that looks quite promosing I *could* buy a tip
from IGO
"Mobility Electronics iGo iTip S31 for IBM X60/T60/Z60 Notebooks"
http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=138983&partner=froogle
But it's somewhat over engineered with about 6 connectors build into it
(what the HECK are those all for?) and as a result it's quite expensive
at £9.45 each.
Cheaper than buying 2 new power supplies I suppose though.
The downside is also that if for some reason it prove difficult
or impossible to attach the power supply wires to this connector
that's starting to be quite a lot of money to blow on a humble
connector tip!
So I'll think about this one. Maybe there are other universal power
supply manufacturers out there with cheaper T60 tips.
More later
Ship
Barry Watzman
things can happen but two are most likely:
1. Total shutdown
2. The voltage, no matter what you set it to, or what it's supposed to
be, drops lower
Say that you have a 60-watt power supply set for 20 volts. That would
allow 3 amps. If the laptop tries to draw 4 amps, the power supply,
sensing the over current, may just shut down (entirely). However, if it
has no overcurrent sensing, then here's what happens: The laptop,
trying to draw 4 amps at 20 volts (80 watts), has an internal resistance
of 5 ohms. That is the one thing that is fixed and probably doesn't
change. If the power supply can truly only put out 60 watts, what will
end up happening is that the "load" (the laptop) will end up getting
3.46 amps at 17.35 volts.
There are some other possibilities, including that the 60 watt power
supply actually ends up supplying 80 watts but overheats significantly
in the process, possibly causing failure, or drastically shortening it's
life.
BillW50
{snip}
> There are some other possibilities, including that the 60 watt power
> supply actually ends up supplying 80 watts but overheats significantly
> in the process, possibly causing failure, or drastically shortening
> it's life.
Most of the cheaper ones work this way. They work great if you open the
case and throw a room fan to blow on them. :D
Although that is throwing like another 100 watts to squeeze just another
20 watts out of the power supply. But that is what makes it all worth it
and fun. And makes your friends stare at you like you are nuts! lol
--
Bill
JHEM
>
> Btw, my default plan is to cut my T60's power supply wire to the brick
> from the laptop, quite near the connector and to solder on a "female"
> connector
> thing (er "socket"??) to receive the old T23 connectors - that way my
> two old
> Universal power supplies will still work. Obviously I will also
> have to solder on a new T23 connect onto the T60 wires to the
> power supply brick too. Thus I will have my 3 power supplies
> again - one for each office.
That would not be wise.
The "old" T series power bricks, being 16V out at 4.5A, can't provide the
20V and 80W of power the T60 series wants.
Barry Watzman
BillW50
Never say can't! As with the right tools, you can get anything apart.
:D
Although I was thinking about those isn't molded together and has lots
of open vents. But even a sealed one with a fan blowing on it should be
able to push a bit more wattage as well. :)
--
Bill
Steve Stone
"Barry Watzman" <Watzma...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:451B0C7...@neo.rr.com...
> Most laptop AC adapters are sealed and cannot be opened.
>
A vice with at least 4 inch jaws does wonders cracking them open (but you
may break something in the process)
So do hacksaws and dremel tools.
cmdrdata
ship wrote:
> "Mobility Electronics iGo iTip S31 for IBM X60/T60/Z60 Notebooks"
> http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=138983&partner=froogle
> But it's somewhat over engineered with about 6 connectors build into it
> (what the HECK are those all for?) and as a result it's quite expensive
> at £9.45 each.
The iGo tips as you noticed are a bit larger than typical tip. Inside
that tip
is a setof resistor divider network that tells the iGo brick what
output voltage
to generate. Therefore, you cannot just cut off your IBM brick tip and
solder
the iGo tip until you determine how these resistors are configured.
google
iGo tip and you'll see someone that has done this previously to fix a
malfunctioning tip.
ship
Hmm I'll probably just rip out all the resistors too.
But I still am struck by - what a lot of hassle just to get a
connector!
Ship
Shiperton Heneth
ship
I'm not sure I COMPLETELY understand your rationale.
Lets go back to basics.
Watts = Volts x Amps
My new T60 power supply is rated at 20Volts and 4.5 amps
i.e. 90 Watts.
Presumably as the battery charges up, presumably the power it draws
will
decrease.
And presumably the 90 Watts rating is the maximum rating of power that
the
thing is designed to kick out.
Now my "universal" Trust power bricks are rated at 120 watts.
(Up to 6 amps at 20 Volts.)
So what's the problem?!
Or will it put too much current (6 amps instead of 4.5 amp) through
the battery?
Well... even if it does, frankly the damned battery that came with the
T60 is a laggard.
It drains in about 1.5 hours (this dispite being new and in "good
condition" my thinkpad tells me) and it charges INCREDIBLY slowly
on the original Thinkpad T60 charger. In fact I reckon it chargest in
at least 1.5 hours. i.e. DAMNED SLOW!
Call me cavalier but even if I cook the battery so long as it doesnt
burst into flames (something unlikely I suspect) I dont really care
because I may as well buy a better battery in any case for those
longer train journeys.
Furthermore it seems that IBM cheerfully sell chargers for T60 laptops
of various power ratings - ranging from 65 to 90 watts!
(See:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-62743
)
I undersand that there is a much better - if somewhat heavier
battery that we can buy from Lenovo/IBM(??)
I think my battery is 6-cell - I would take it out now - but I'm using
it! Whereas you can buy a 9-cell thing kicks out 7.8 amp hours
instead of 5.2 amp hours.
IBM *claim* the 9-cell battery will last for 6 hours - but this is
clearly
a joke - the same joke that claimed that the 6 cell battery lasts for
four hours - mine lasts for about 1.5 hours - although I concede that
if I turn the screen down it will last for maybe 2 hours. Except that
(on bright train journey) I can no longer read the screen properly so
that's not much use...!
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-61219
One thing I cant find is how much heavier this 9-Cell battery is - must
be
on the site somewhere - darn.
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
P.S.
I did just install that bit of bloatware from Lenovo and it tells
me that Battery Bar Code: is 1ZAW165601J and that I dont need
to put it in for the recall, btw.
PPS Can anyone tell me how to add a new power management scheme??
My software wont let me for some reason.
Thinkvantage button > Device configuration > Manage power Schemes
is doing some DAMNED stranage things.
It produces a list of about 50 powerschemes - the history of what I've
used??
But if I then select "> Manage Settings" the New button remains greyed
out.
So I thus cant seem to add any more power schemes.
I really cant work out why that big drop-down list of "power schemes"
repeats itself
either...?
Do I need to reinstall somethin?!
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
ship
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/uk/products.nsf/$wwwPartNumLookup/_40Y6797?OpenDocument
Basically a spare 6 cell battery cost GBP 101 from IBM
and a spare 9 cell battery costs a wacking GBP 156.28
plus weight an extra 0.15Kg (though in theory it should last
a third longer - i.e. another 50% depending on how you do
your percentages)
Anyone know somewhere cheaper for the 9-cell batteries
- or where I can get BETTER batteries for the T60 Thinkpad?
The 9-cell battery that fits the "Z60m" thinkpad slot appears
to have a 7.8 AmpHour life. It's rated at 10.8 volts and is
Lithium Ion - is there anything BETTER/CHEAPER out there?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe
sapper
ship wrote:
> I must confess to being a fraction puzzled by the Watts aspect.
> My universal adapter (from Trust) just talks about the voltage which
> is adjustable with a screwdriver on the front of the thing.
> What happens if it doesnt have a high enough Wattage?
> (I cant image its a BIG problem because the IBM T60 takes
> and INCREDIBLY long time to charge - it's almost as slow
> to change as it is to discharge!)
>
be fed thru the circuit of a given resistance.
If you use the 90W power supply with a fully charged T60 in an AA plane
then the drain is just to run the thinkpad. On the other hand if you
do this with a discharged battery then the load based on running
thinkpad and charging the battery is enough over the 75 watts supply
that the folks at American Airlines factored in to trip that particular
socket.
So it really is based on safety. I do not think that any company hires
people who sit around thinking 'lets see how we can bugger the customer
today'. People make unthinking errors of course.
Case in point - the touchpad provided is based on customer demand (I
personally never use it and disable it) - but they kept the Thinkpad
joystick in spite of the extra cost of duplicate pointing devices.
mike
> ship wrote:
>
>
>>"Mobility Electronics iGo iTip S31 for IBM X60/T60/Z60 Notebooks"
>>http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=138983&partner=froogle
>>But it's somewhat over engineered with about 6 connectors build into it
>>(what the HECK are those all for?) and as a result it's quite expensive
>>at £9.45 each.
>
>
> The iGo tips as you noticed are a bit larger than typical tip. Inside
> that tip
> is a setof resistor divider network that tells the iGo brick what
> output voltage
> to generate. Therefore, you cannot just cut off your IBM brick tip and
> solder
> the iGo tip until you determine how these resistors are configured.
Could you please point with a sharper stick? Igo tip gets 90,000 hits.
My attention span ran out after the first few thousand.
mike
ship
> > The iGo tips as you noticed are a bit larger than typical tip. Inside
> > that tip
> > is a setof resistor divider network that tells the iGo brick what
> > output voltage
> > to generate. Therefore, you cannot just cut off your IBM brick tip and
> > solder
> > the iGo tip until you determine how these resistors are configured.
>
> Could you please point with a sharper stick? Igo tip gets 90,000 hits.
> My attention span ran out after the first few thousand.
> mike
Ye wot?
S
E Brown
>> Could you please point with a sharper stick? Igo tip gets 90,000 hits.
>> My attention span ran out after the first few thousand.
>> mike
>
>Ye wot?
So no one tried www.igo.com? Because that leads directly to their
site...
epbrown
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Carl Farrington
"E Brown" <three...@att.net> wrote in message
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> On 1 Oct 2006 12:24:06 -0700, "ship" <shi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Could you please point with a sharper stick? Igo tip gets 90,000 hits.
>>> My attention span ran out after the first few thousand.
>>> mike
>>
>>Ye wot?
>
> So no one tried www.igo.com? Because that leads directly to their
> site...
Yeah but I think he was referring specifically to this:
> google iGo tip and you'll see someone that has done this previously to fix
> a malfunctioning tip.
ship
> > site...
A). It's a USA site - I'm UK based so I cant buy stuff
B). It appears that you HAVE to buy other stuff
"Must be added with iGo Wall160"
"Must be purchased for use with ice90, EverywherePower 7500 and
everywhere130 power adapters"
> Yeah but I think he was referring specifically to this:
> > google iGo tip and you'll see someone that has done this previously to fix
> > a malfunctioning tip.
Which link were you thinking of?
Ship
Shiperton Henethe