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From: 南嘉生 <alim...@gmail.com>
To: tai...@cinci.rr.com
Cc: GlobalF...@yahoogroups.com; I Love Taiwan <i_love...@googlegroups.com>; BATA <bay-area-taiw...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [I Love Taiwan] 殖民主子心態
From: 南嘉生Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 7:46 AM
Hello, Taitzer 你發表這樣的感想,若再重讀,會不會覺得好像跟統派、統派媒體的期待完全一樣,仇日. Well said.
As our young writer said, aren’t you mixed up something? You even cannot distinguish horse (ba) and deer (ka), just follow the 殖民主子. May I ask you how do you call yourself? Ha ha ha. Is this a殖民主子心態, or tell me what is your 殖民主子心態?
I guess you immense too much in the dubious BATA group, you have changed, and you even have殖民主子心態 and do not realize the problem yourself.
I suggest you come back to ILT, and try your twisted logic, you should gratefully find many different views and find yourself why you cannot distinguish horse and deer. By the way, as you might know, the origin of horse-dear is China, not Japan.
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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 5:46 AM
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殖民主子心態
Whoa, you are really mad and barking at a wrong tree. You are out of focus again and again.
What do you mean 爲派系而設? What派系? 派系之爭,放屎無卵,霸淩無趣,臺灣前途斷送論壇之前。Wah, big mouth again. 沒別的話好用,偏偏要操殖民過臺灣的low class uneducated 的Chinese 粗話來謾駡自己的臺灣人;臺灣人如此東施效顰,表現出來的Chinese (僞日人) "殖民主子心態" ,心中無道,罪加三等,自古至今,令人痛心。
Next What無中生有? Didn’t you follow 殖民主子心態 of Chinese propaganda? You read my message carefully. Don’t be so mad, if you are mad, you are 真是一派胡言,狂妄之至! And what wrong if I said “I suggest you come back to ILT to debate?” 真是一派胡言,狂妄之至! Indeed, I already said you cannot distinguish horse and deer by siding with the colonial masters, 在鏡子裏看不見自己的殖民主子心態 (colonial master mentality),令人不齒‼
By the way, stupidity of unable to distinguish between horse and deer can occur whether you have殖民主子心態 or not, or it is Japanese or Chinese or American.
I am just using your words, TT. Good words to describe yourself. Any more words? I like to hear more, ha ha ha.
Hi Taitzer - -
Once F___Hsiao e-mailed in NATPA and ILT "J. Wang does not even know what is Chankoro, (Therefore) he is not a Taiwanese."
I did not know what he is talking about. Can you understand what his logic is ?
For those kind of " . . signifying nothing sounds and furious . . " I doubt BATA can 澄清 for you !
I believe you know how to treat junk e-mails.
J. Wang
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----- Original Message -----From: Sidney ChenSent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:18 PMSubject: Re: [BATA] Re: [I Love Taiwan] 殖民主子覺
泰澤兄:言葉の使う事は「殖民主子の知性」が関係ない!語言的使用跟殖民主子心態毫無關係!如果台灣人罵人只用日語,那台灣人的文明將會大大的提昇;因為日語就只有這麼一個髒話:「馬鹿郎」(ばかろう),不像「中華民國」的罵人用語的多樣刺激!你引用的例子是頗牽強的,我也覺的很「仇日」。如果要談「殖民主子心態」:想想今天台灣又回到「恩庇侍從」的時代、五院院長除立院外,和行政院副院長,國安會秘書長皆為外省人,而立法院副院長則為深藍超級打手、當初她羞辱前交大校長,中研院士228受難者張俊彥、你們這些鬥士怎麼都沒聲音?現今文化部長龍應台仇日又充滿大中國思想,她的書「大江大海」完全從「外省人」角度看台灣,把台灣的成就都歸功於從一個從落後國家來的腐敗的流亡政府與她的殖民者 -- 外省人。這本書還空前暢銷,科技大老聯發科老闆還將之列為推薦書第一名。你說是不是太多台灣人有殖民主子心態!我是1950 以後才出生,畢業於台灣「偽交大」,業電子工程。我覺的臺灣交通,清華大學很「殖民主子心態」,應合併改為新竹大學。我50歲後才在美國加州學曰語,而且是「困而學之」,一生懸命(いっしょうけんめい)的學習。很榮幸的4年前還接了兩次日語翻譯(法律文件)。學先進國家語言很有用;我的中文這麼棒,但從來沒有財務收入上的好處,因為中國公司從來不告外國公司。我學日語完全是喜歡她的文化,非常優質!我的父母生前懷念日本,以曾為曰本國民為榮,我了解也尊重他們。就像我的孩子以當美國人為榮一樣。
有人要當日本人跟殖民主子心態也毫無關係;因為人往高處爬。當「中華民國」的臺灣人才真的像殖民主子的「子」。那個「總統」一家人都是美國人,無能還高票再當選。我跟那些400多萬的殖民主子的「子」's為伍感到非常遺憾(剩的是殖民主子的「主」)。
Aha, Frank is 有點可愛. I hope I am not as cute as the 8 years old J Wang, “how ke pa wo”!
Didn’t I already said “the problem of being unable to distinguishing horse and deer can occur whether you have殖民主子心態 or not, or it is Japanese or Chinese or American “and indeed, or Taiwanese. Sidney has a good atama. Although “我有時覺得 “Sidney” 有點「馬鹿郎」(ばかろう) ,不過我覺的他有點可愛.” In fact, I found Sidney sometimes has very good ideas and good thinking.
Now, what wrong I said to TT that TT is “ ILT 的人;你以前是 ILT 的人,現在誤入 BATA 統派。回到 ILT 來吧!”No, I just said “Dubious BATA”. You put your words to other people to demean other people using your “語文造詣.” But if you say “BATA 統派”then I have no objection. They indeed talk like統派, act like統派, raising green flags to attack the green. That why you “現在誤入 BATA 統派”cannot discern horse from deer. Besides, I cannot send my responses to you through BATA. Allen Kuo control the group. He is worse than KMT (using Lee Hsiao Fong’s words).
One thing I should clarify is you TT said “以前他公開誣衊取笑說我囘台灣助選是要囘台灣看健保.”No, this is indeed you are 無中生有,無理取鬧, and may be the reason of your unnecessarily violent reaction against me. No, I never誣衊取笑you 囘台灣助選是要囘台灣看健保. Since you were debating with me somebody said so and so … at that time, I said to you “Even if somebody say that you 囘台灣助選是要囘台灣看健保, It doesn’t matter to me at all. Important thing is 囘台灣助選, and I take off my hat to you”I still remember I reminded you that you must 助選 TIW, not any green candidate, since you were going to join Aquia group. Well my hat is still off to you for your 囘台灣助選.
故意用日本殖民者的粗話罵同被殖民過的自己臺灣人 is equivalent to偏偏要操殖民過臺灣的low class uneducated 的Chinese 粗話來謾駡自己的臺灣人. 放屎無卵,霸淩無趣? As Sidney said “我對你的語文造詣十分敬佩” But you said“駡一個人和論一件事的粗話也要分別考慮”What do you mean? You are as usual dead duck hard beak cantankerous old man. Ha ha ha, I feel you both are also 有點可愛.
Sidney has made it very clear: “語言的使用跟殖民主子心態毫無關係!”
Taitzer should now leave his traumatic childhood experience behind him, or, at least stop sharing the wrong lesson he learned from it with Frank and others.
This short reply also serves as a rebuttal to Taitzer’s dubious assertion: “The longer the mail, the longer the response.”
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泰澤兄:
如果龍應台的書「大江大海」裏描述了外省族群的悲情,而讓許多讀者感動流淚,媒體也大肆宣揚。而另一方面台灣人談到 228 和白色恐怖的悲情,就被扣帽子為「製造仇恨」和「族群分裂」這是殖民心態的現象,也是一種隱性的歷史消滅。我從來都認為不管在任何場所都要明辯。臺灣人的善良有「鄉愿」的一面。
日治時代日本對台灣的貢獻是可討論很久的題材。不知大家有沒有注意反日份子絕大部份是仕紳階級,他們在清治時代是特權階級。舉例來說,他們才受教育。我父親說沒有日治的義務教育,他必是文盲。我的老家魚池鄉東光村,至今還是農村。我祖母是清治的思維,她認為兒子是勞力的提供者,不需上學。日本人校長警告我祖母,不讓小孩上學就把她關到監獄裡,因為那是「義務」教育。這也是台灣人認為日本人很兇之一例。我在 96年時翻譯了一篇 1904年New York Times 倫敦特派員寫的一篇有關日本統治台灣的文章,我抱歉中文沒翻好,因為一天內就將之完成而且打中文字很辛苦,所以馬虎了一點 See attached.
「殖民統治」今天在台灣是現在進行式;這可從外省族群掌控了國家資源和社會輿論價值的詮識權來印証。我已厭倦也沒興趣去聽政論節目或文章討論 KMT有多壞,多邪惡。重點是我們有何行動去改變。當初黃信介在花蓮立委有辦法讓 KMT 認錯;因為他派人到每個票所去監票,把票數報給他。隔天起床發現他被作掉了,因為他手中有數字所以他馬上動員包圍縣政府。
最後我要呼應 Rocky Tsao 請泰澤兄怎了那根「秋亳」不要浪費大家的時間!
請多指教
弟 陳新輝
Ok, I will be short, there are many more important things to do But I think we need a conclusion.
Now, where is the topic of 殖民主子 now? You guys are out of focus again. It appears both TT and Sidney love and admire 殖民主子? Ha ha ha.
The conclusion from this exchange is that one can see a bottle half empty, or half full. I am glad both of you now see the bottle is half full and both see the horse and deer clearly at the same time without confusion. Hat of to you guys. But be discrete, not everything about Japan is good.
If you like, I can send both of you a good Japanese Gunka (check Google) “Shanghai tayori” (A letter from Shanghai (the War Front)) which I translated into Taiwanese with some input from Taitzer some times ago.
By the way, don’t you think Taitzer owes an apology to Luby and the ILT readers for rushing out the violent and dirty words in this ILT? Do you? Guys?