The hurdy gurdy in medieval art.

[Andrew Orrison]

I will be working on a research paper about the Hrudy gurdy and was wondering if you all know of locations of the hurdy gurdy in art besides the following pieces. 

c.1100 (11th century?) Wolfenbiittel Gud. lat. 334 (Augsburg) 

measurement treatise 

1149-1154 Visio Tnugdali (Regensburg) 

c.1160 Paris, Notre Dame 

c.1170 Boscherville 

c.1170 (late 12th century) Soria 

c.1173 York Psalter 

c.1175-I205 Hortus Deliciarum 

c.1188 St. Iago de Compostella (Cathedral) 

late 12th century St. Louis Psalter (York) 

late 12th century Riotiron 

late 12th century Moradillo de Sedano 

late 12th century Toro 

late 12th century Estella 

late 12th century St. Iago de Compostella (Bishop's palace) 

12th century Honnecourt-sur-l'Escaut 

12th century Luttrell Psalter 

There is also of course the Bosch piece as well. 

Thanks for your assistance!

--Andrew Orrison

[Ernic Kamerich]

Hello Andrew,

What a nice plan!
The subject says "medieval", but according to your list, you seem to restrict yourself to the time before 1200. But you mention the much later painting of Jeroen Bosch as well. What period are you interested in?

And, please, will you let us know when you are ready and if there is a way to read your paper?

Ernic kamerich

2013/2/17 Andrew Orrison <ahor...@gmail.com>

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[Andrew Orrison]

I will definitely share my paper when I finish it. The sources in my list are just some of the ones I found from a really cool paper(I am attaching a PDF). I am looking at a wider range of times. The 1600s and later are past the time period I am looking for.

Some other pieces I located:

11th Centuary Abby of St. George at Boscherville Normandy (carving of an organistrum 
1170 Hunterian Psalter
1221 The Cantigas de Santa Maria

1240 Banquet with Musicians, from the 'Bible Moralisee

1339-44 Romance of Alexander

--Andrew

[Ernic Kamerich]

Hello Andrew,

Thank you for sending the article of Christopher Page.
I suppose you know Marianne Bröcker's books "Die Drehleier 1, 2", cited several times in the article you sent, with many (black and white, often in moderate quality) pictures, partly from before 1600.
I have a small collection of pictures. I will make them available in some way (tomorrow or at last one day later).
I am looking out for your paper in the future!
Ernic

[Wolodymyr Smishkewych]

Hi Andrew,

Hoping I can help you out here a bit. Some of the representations you describe--Toro (there's two of them), Santiago, Moradillo (S. Esteban Protomartir), Estella, Soria, Palacio de Gelmirez (that's your "bishop's palace"), Rio Tirón (are you perhaps referring to Ahedo del Butrón?), and more--the "Art" for them is in the location itself. THey are stone carvings in the church in the very town, so the only way to get an image is to photograph it (or ask permission of a photographer whose images you can use).

Don't forget the following Spanish churches:

-Cathedral of Burgos

-Cathedral of Leon

-Santa Maria de la Hiniesta

-Ourense Cathedral

-Burgo de Osma

-Virgen de la Peña (Segovia)

In art, there is a representation of a single-person, later organistrum, played by an angel. It is in a triptych originally from the monastery of Piedra, ca. 1390 (making it later medieval, of course). 

You might want to check out the following secondary sources, this is just a very basic list to get you started:

 

Christian Rault (1985). L'organistrum, les origines de la vielle à roue. París, Ed. Aux amateurs de livres.

Marianne Bröcker (1976). Die Drehleier, ihr Bau und ihre Geschichte (The hurdy Gurdy, its construction & history) Verlag für systematische Musikwissenschaft, Bonn

 

Antonio Poves, Iconology of the Organistrum in Spanish Medieval Art, Thesis (Index available at http://www.organistrum.com/indiceTesis.pdf)

Although I never recommend Wiki-anything for bonafide research, you can at least use it to get you started with references, and besides, the Spanish Organistrum page has a nice collection of the photos you might find useful--I'm not sure it's easy to find proper credits for them all, but they might be under a Creative Commons license:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organistrum

Plus there is more in the way of a bilbiography there, including a link to the text and translation of the Odo of Cluny medieval manuscript "how to build a hurdy gurdy" (Quomodo Organistrum Construatur).

Best of luck!

Vlad

Wolodymyr Smishkewych

Course Director, MA Ritual Chant and Song

Irish World Academy of Music and Dance

University of Limerick

vl...@ul.ie

wolodymyrsmishkewych.com

<The Medieval Organistrum and SymphoniaA Legacy from the East.pdf>

[Geoff Turner]

There are various carvings in some English churches. I do not have a list of them, but I do know that Nantwich in Cheshire has a carving of a symphony, and York minster has an angel playing a hurdy-gurdy.

Geoff

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I'm sure you have already seen http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organistrum, which lists, cites, and shows several you did not name in your email. You may have seen http://musicaenlaspiedras.blogspot.com/2012/09/organistrum-or-keyed-fiddle.html, with its extreme attention to detail and many pictures?

Always best to check your topic in other languages: zanfonía, vielle a roue, drehleier, etc.

Please note: date on Cantigas is wrong. Alfonso was BORN in 1221, so the book could not have originated during his reign if it was 1221.

Please note: misspelling of Wolfenbüttel

Please note: misspelling in Visio Tnugdali, otherwise known as Visions of Tundal.

Please note: [1175-I205] Hortus Deliciarum was the work of Herrad, abbess of Hohenbourg in Alsace between 1176-1196 (see:http://books.google.com/books?id=0803AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false)

Please note: misspelling of Compostela: c.1188 St. Iago de Compostella (Cathedral) -- and note multiple other spellings of same name: Santiago, for instance

Interesting topic,

Alice

[ernic]

Hello Andrew,

Much later than I promissed, but now, here is a link to a set of pictures of hurdy gurdies before 1650:
www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=DLOPTEIY
The link is only temporary, after some weeks it will be deleted.
Apart from some pictures that I took from internet, it contains several 5MB photos made by me (essentially 9 objects plus a copy from a book), and these are for privat use. Publication is not allowed unless the owner of the painting, print or sculpture (see title) grants permission for publication, (You don't need my personal permission.)

One of the photographs is from a print by Pieter van der Heyden, which refers to a print of Jeroen Bosch, you will know probably: see
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Jheronimus_Bosch/Copies_and_paraphrases
http://kunstgeschichte.univie.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/inst_kunstgeschichte/Texte/Bosch_s_Cripples_and_Drawings_by_His_Imitators.pdf
I have seen an original but, alas, I have no photograph of it.

I hope that this will help and i am very interested in your results.

Personally, I have some questions that interest me:
 - I suppose that the origin of the hurdy gurdy was an instrument that supplied a variable set of drones (playing all 2 or 3 strings together with fifth/octave distance). I think that, apart from the organistrum, also smaller hurdy gurdies might have been of this type. Is there any evidence how long this type has lived?
Anyhow, I think that an instrument with 4 (or more) strings is of the melody plus drone type: four parallel strings are not very useful and would have a very broad tangentbox because of the necessary distance between the strings. And, obviously, the keyless hurdy gurdies must have been of the melody plus drone type (see also one of my pictures).
This question might be enigmatic forever.
 - From the pictures I have seen, I got an impression that, in late medieval and early renaissance, there might have been two general types of hurdy gurdies: one with a rather smal body for religious and more serious music (especially for accompanying singing?) and one with a large body for folk/dance music (functioning as a parallel of the bagpipe). Both in several shapes. Is this just an impression, or might it be true or is it false?

I wish you good luck with your research, and you might see (part of) an answer to these questions.

Ernic Kamerich

Op zondag 17 februari 2013 09:38:41 UTC+1 schreef Andrew Orrison het volgende: