RE: [HG-new] Digest for hurdygurdy@googlegroups.com - 19 Messages in 7 Topics
michael
On the matter of capos I am inclined to agree with C W Hill and keep it simple. The hurdy-gurdy is not designed for such complexity and by trying to play in many keys you will store up trouble for yourself by going outside the instrument’s intention. We went through this some decades ago when electronic hurdy-gurdies became available which could vary the drones and tonality at will. Few players had the musical knowledge to make good use of this facility and most of the instruments were sold off in due course.
If you want to play in all keys you would find the fiddle much more versatile. I am sure it is no more difficult to play than the HG and is much less troublesome. The clarinet, too, has much to offer for rock and other loud musics.
The reason the hurdy-gurdy is so satisfying is that it contains its own harmonic accompaniment, much simpler than the piano to be sure, but perfect for certain types of music where the harmony is not developed, i.e. goes no further than the dominant. The repertoire is almost endless. In the last few minutes I have counted 18 musical forms in music lying around, and that is by no means the total.
So although we are not rustics it would seem sensible to treat our instrument as a rustic one.
MPM
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§ Gotschy Phoenix for sale [1 Update]
§ Hello from a new member with a question! [4 Updates]
§ traditional french folk tunes... [7 Updates]
§ traditional french folk tunes... [3 Updates]
§ other good tunes for the hurdy [2 Updates]
§ other good tunes for the hurdy [1 Update]
§ Hello from a new member with a question! [1 Update]
MITC...@aol.com
Feb 10 08:15PM -0500
I'm selling a Gotschy Phoenix gurdy for a friend. It's $2200, in D/G
tuning, she's the second owner. It's about 6 years old. Cosmetically it's in
very nice shape except for one very small chip in the veneer on the peghead.
Geared tuning pegs, very reliable and compact, comes with hard case. I think
these are really terrific starter-to-intermediate instruments. Have a look
at the YouTube video below, and contact me off-list if interested.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI-iGwLa8Bo_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI-iGwLa8Bo)
Mitch Gordon
Guerneville, California
Samantha
Riffle <samr...@gmail.com> Feb 10 12:29PM +0100
Hey Luke!
I'm personally a fan of capos. I think they give you the flexibility to
play several different styles on the same instrument, and if you're
interested in using the gurdy to play rock music (like I am!), I think
they're a must. ;) I only have one capo on my current gurdy (to take the
trompette up from C to D), but I'm getting a new gurdy at the end of the
year, and both trompettes and both drones will be capoed.
The capos do have to be in just the right place (which your luthier should
make sure of), but it's not the most painful thing in the world to have to
do a bit of tuning after you turn your capo on. The capo I have now
probably isn't in the right place (it was put on by someone who isn't a
luthier or an expert player), and I usually have to tune when I use it, but
I've seen plenty of much more professional capos where the player basically
just flips a switch and is good to go. Of course, if you're worried about
needing to tune a lot, maybe the gurdy isn't the best instrument for you...
;) Because capos or no capos, you will need to tune pretty much constantly!
It's one of the joys of the gurdy. ;)
Best,
Sam
Ulrich
Joosten <ulrich....@t-online.de> Feb 10 03:01PM
+0100
Hello Luke,
welcome to the group.
I really underline what Samantha said! If you do have the possibility to get
capoes added to your gurdy: YES! Go for it. As Samantha says it is really
important that somebody attaches the capoes who know what he does. But it is
really a nice thing to have the possibility to switch e.g. from a G drone to
A (for playing in A-Minor) or from C to D.
What I would suggest is to ask the luthier if he can make you sone tiny
hooks to block the A-Key and e.g. the C-Key from behind, so you can push the
respective key and block it, so they act as a capo of the chanterelles. So
lock the A-Key of the G-Chanterelle, put a Capo on C drone and C trumpet to
play in DŠ There are so many fun possibilites Š
So my recommendation: better to invest a little more money right from the
beginning rather than to regret later when it is not easy to get some once
the instrument is in your hands.
Good luck!
Ulrich
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Datum: Sonntag, 10. Februar 2013 12:29
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Betreff: Re: [HG-new] Hello from a new member with a question!
Hey Luke!
I'm personally a fan of capos. I think they give you the flexibility to play
several different styles on the same instrument, and if you're interested in
using the gurdy to play rock music (like I am!), I think they're a must. ;)
I only have one capo on my current gurdy (to take the trompette up from C to
D), but I'm getting a new gurdy at the end of the year, and both trompettes
and both drones will be capoed.
The capos do have to be in just the right place (which your luthier should
make sure of), but it's not the most painful thing in the world to have to
do a bit of tuning after you turn your capo on. The capo I have now probably
isn't in the right place (it was put on by someone who isn't a luthier or an
expert player), and I usually have to tune when I use it, but I've seen
plenty of much more professional capos where the player basically just flips
a switch and is good to go. Of course, if you're worried about needing to
tune a lot, maybe the gurdy isn't the best instrument for you... ;) Because
capos or no capos, you will need to tune pretty much constantly! It's one of
the joys of the gurdy. ;)
Best,
Sam
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Elizabeth
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On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Ulrich Joosten
MITC...@aol.com
Feb 10 07:24PM -0500
Depends also on the tuning of your instrument. I find that I don't have any
need for capos on a D/G, but on a G/C, I consider a capo between C and D
notes on the trompette string to be pretty essential, and similarly on the
C/D drone string.
Mitch Gordon
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Just a few thoughts until the more experienced add theirs.
I've never (up to now) needed a capo (although I've tried a home made
one just to see what it was like). You really only need one if you are
playing in keys other than the basic ones or in unusual modes etc.
Personally I'd stick to playing in the basic keys (C/G etc) before
trying to play in Eb :)
Also remember that most of the videos are of professional players so
don't expect to emulate them out of the box.
No harm in having a capo but not required under normal circumstances if
you are playing alone (if you are playing with others and need the key
changes then yes, you probably need one). It'll take a while to learn
the instrument (well, you never will really, always something else to
learn) so we'll say "basics".
I was the same as you - never seen or heard a HG in person but loved the
sound and not really in a position to have lessons or a meet-up with
other players and buying a gurdy was the best thing I ever did (I was in
my mid 50's) and I do play lots of other instruments (picked up during
the folk revival of the 60's and 70's). The HG is the most fun to play
of them all if you practice and learn all the fiddly bits (cottoning,
applying rosin and the list goes on)!
You'll love it I'm sure, just take your time and enjoy it - and keep
asking here. We all started somewhere and had questions to ask. No
question is too simple or silly.
Colin Hill
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Scott
<vonh...@aol.com> Feb 10 12:51PM -0800
There are two books generally referred to as the pink and blue books. Another
source is a set of tunes put together by Mitch, he is on the list.
Where are you located? What types of dances do you intend to teach?
Scott
Elizabeth
Gilmore <gilm...@eou.edu> Feb 10 01:20PM -0800
HI Scott, I am in La Grande,
Oregon... I already teach
international
/balkan to our small group here but only once a month... I remember doing
some bourees in the past but have forgotten all of them and hope to put
some together with the help of people and youtube....(and I have emailed
Yves Moreau of Canada
who has provided me with a good site to refer to)
We also have a small local country dance band that our community has put
together... and we play occasionally for contra dances that we have
here.... i am hoping to be able to work in the hurdy at some point, and
perhaps some of the songs for dances I do in international... so far all
they have done music for is contra dances.... its more familar and
popular... but I could squeak some french dances in the contra dancing,
dont you think?
"Derek
Lofthouse" <dloft...@shaw.ca> Feb 10 02:35PM
-0700
unfortunately, the pink and blue ( aka the massif central tune books no. 1 and
no. 2) have been out of print for years.
Dave Mallinson has reissued the non-copy righted material in a book called 'Bal
Folk' www.mally.com - search tunebooks by genre then french.
Blowzabella have reissued encyclopedia blowzabellica themselves and have a
second book of tunes also. www.blowzabella.com
The interwebs are also a great source of tunes. Try the Cambridge french dance site. http://www.cambridgefolk.org.uk/cam-french/
under music is a PDF with a ton of tunes. I would download that file, it hasnt
been updated in a couple of years. who knows when it might dissappear.
Derek
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Subject: Re: [HG-new] traditional french folk tunes...
There are two books generally referred to as the pink and blue books. Another
source is a set of tunes put together by Mitch, he is on the list.
Where are you located? What types of dances do you intend to teach?
Scott
emeraldemma <gilm...@eou.edu> wrote:
Hi All... I am looking for good sources...books, youtube... for french folk
tunes that I can learn to play on my hurdy... I also teach some folkdancing and
would like to possibly music for my dancers.... it would be fun.... thanks Beth
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Feb 10 01:38PM -0800
Much better than my vague answer. Thanks Derek.
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"Kevin
Hughes" <brun...@hotmail.com> Feb 10 02:31PM
-0800
There is an excellent set of tunes put together by Ian Law on the Lark Camp
website:
http://www.larkcamp.com/LarkLibrary/French/IanLaw/IanLawFrenchMusic.pdf
Martin
Lodahl <lod...@calwisp.com> Feb 10 02:48PM -0800
And there are many thousands of French folk tunes here:
> http://www.aepem.com/Biblio.php
- Martin
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Dave
Holland <da...@biff.org.uk>
Feb 10 11:33PM
I maintain the Cam-French tune book - glad you like it, I have no
intention of letting it disappear! I've just got back from the Halsway
Manor hurdy-gurdy and bagpipes weekend and I have another bunch of
tunes to add. I should get to it this week.
Cheers,
Dave
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 02:35:50PM -0700, Derek Lofthouse wrote:
emeraldemma
<gilm...@eou.edu> Feb 10 12:42PM -0800
Hi All... I am looking for good sources...books, youtube... for french folk
tunes that I can learn to play on my hurdy... I also teach some folkdancing
and would like to possibly music for my dancers.... it would be fun....
thanks Beth
mike
gilpin <hurdygu...@gmail.com> Feb 10 02:48PM -0800
Hi Beth - I compiled a tunebook of French dance tunes from the
Morvan a few years ago.You can find it here :
http://www.hurdygurdy.biz/tunebook.htm
Cheers
Mike
www.hurdygurdy.biz
On Sunday, February 10, 2013 8:42:47 PM UTC, emeraldemma wrote:
Robert
Caldwell <musi...@gmail.com> Feb 10 06:12PM -0500
Mel Bay has available a pretty good book BAL FOLK Traditional Dance Music from
Central France that is pretty easy to get your hands on, it is now distributed
in the USA
Musica
17 North 4th Street
Hudson NY
12534
518-828-1045
www.goodmusica.com
Scott
<vonh...@aol.com> Feb 10 01:15PM -0800
Hi Beth,
Search for "bourree hurdy gurdy" on YouTube and you'll get a long
list of tunes. Also, look up La Chavanee, Patrick Bouffard, Le Chien Jeune,
Gille Chabenat, and Blowzabella. There are more but that is a good starting
point.
Scott
Elizabeth
Gilmore <gilm...@eou.edu> Feb 10 01:21PM -0800
Scott.. thank you! I will do just that! thanks! Beth
emeraldemma
<gilm...@eou.edu> Feb 10 12:45PM -0800
I should have added... any other good folk tunes for hurdy along the lines
of medieval, european, eastern european tunes for the hurdy...ks or good
examples on youtube... I want traditional... if possible... I love the old
stuff..... thanks! Beth
cwhill
<cwh...@santa-fe.freeserve.co.uk>
Feb 10 12:46PM
Just a few thoughts until the more experienced add theirs.
I've never (up to now) needed a capo (although I've tried a home made
one just to see what it was like). You really only need one if you are
playing in keys other than the basic ones or in unusual modes etc.
Personally I'd stick to playing in the basic keys (C/G etc) before
trying to play in Eb :)
Also remember that most of the videos are of professional players so
don't expect to emulate them out of the box.
No harm in having a capo but not required under normal circumstances if
you are playing alone (if you are playing with others and need the key
changes then yes, you probably need one). It'll take a while to learn
the instrument (well, you never will really, always something else to
learn) so we'll say "basics".
I was the same as you - never seen or heard a HG in person but loved the
sound and not really in a position to have lessons or a meet-up with
other players and buying a gurdy was the best thing I ever did (I was in
my mid 50's) and I do play lots of other instruments (picked up during
the folk revival of the 60's and 70's). The HG is the most fun to play
of them all if you practice and learn all the fiddly bits (cottoning,
applying rosin and the list goes on)!
You'll love it I'm sure, just take your time and enjoy it - and keep
asking here. We all started somewhere and had questions to ask. No
question is too simple or silly.
Colin Hill
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