RE: [HG-new] Digest for hurdygurdy@googlegroups.com - 2 Messages in 1 Topic plus accidentals
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§ branle de C hevaux [2 Updates]
"michael"
<mic...@muskett-music.co.uk> Dec 22 12:28PM
Here's a video snippet of the dance we do to Branle des Chevaux...not
rocket science, but enjoyable.
_http:// <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI>
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[M: congrats. Good rhythm & flow, the best I've heard. But the flattened
7th is intrusive and unnatural (oops. pun is accidental) and is not in the
original! It's awkward to sing, too. This is not 14th cent plainsong , and
even if it were..! the dance looks enjoyable, too. M: end.]
Graham
Whyte <gra...@altongate.co.uk> Dec 22 01:17PM
Michael,
The flattened 7th IS IN Abeau's original version
See Orchesography pp 165-167 (Dover
Edition)
Its scored in G with no F#s except for the penultimate
note which Arbeau clearly marks as F# as a cadence
Graham
Dear Graham,
Permit me to explain.
Music notation in the 16th & 17th centuries was still developing and was not expressed as it is today.
In quoting from the most authoritative book on the subject, the Interpretation of Early Music, Robert Donington, Faber 1977, I find it hard to decide which of many relative paragraphs I should quote, so I will simply distil it into my own words.
The first accidental is commonly omitted where we would expect to find a key signature, and only the 2nd and subsequent accidentals would be shown, so D maj would show only c sharp, but the final note would be d, thus confirming the key of the piece.
By the same rule if the piece is in G the f# would not be shown but the music leaves no doubt about the keynote. A change was taking place from the old modal notation where f natural would be the norm and the newer style where f sharp is the norm and by putting a sharp at the end he is showing that there should not be a whole tone cadence. This assisted the slow development of modulation of key.
G Zarlino 1558. (p 137) there are some who in singing sharpen or flatten a melody in a case where the composer never intended – as when they sing a tone instead if a semitone or the other way about… By this they not only offend the ear… Singers should take care to sing only what is written according o the mind of the composer.
‘The ear is the best judge.’
P 129 in baroque music, a key signature may often show one sharp or one flat short of the number required, the deficiency being subsequently made good by accidentals throughout the piece a required.
I hope this misunderstanding is now resolved.
Michael plus
On 22/12/12 12:28, michael wrote:
Here's a video snippet of the dance we do to Branle des Chevaux...not
rocket science, but enjoyable.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in
> &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in
dex=17_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in
dex=17> &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&index=17)
[M: congrats. Good rhythm & flow, the best I've heard. But the flattened 7
th is intrusive and unnatural (oops. pun is accidental) and is not in the
original! It's awkward to sing, too. This is not 14 th cent plainsong , and
even if it were..! the dance looks enjoyable, too. M: end.]
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