The difference between a man rising to greatness and a traitor . . .
Charles Bell
President Bush: Thank you all. I want you all to know -- it [bullhorn] can't
go any louder -- I want you all to know that American today, American today
is on bended knee, in prayer for the people whose lives were lost here, for
the workers who work here, for the families who mourn. The nation stands
with the good people of New York City and New Jersey and Connecticut as we
mourn the loss of thousands of our citizens
Rescue Worker: I can't hear you!
President Bush: I can hear you! I can hear you! The rest of the world hears
you! And the people -- and the people who knocked these buildings down will
hear all of us soon!
Rescue Workers: [Chanting] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
President Bush: The nation -- The nation sends its love and compassion --
Rescue Worker: God bless America!
President Bush: -- to everybody who is here. Thank you for your hard work.
Thank you for makin' the nation proud, and may God bless America.
Rescue Workers: [Chanting] U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
[and]
September 19 2001
Barack Obama: "We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of
understanding the sources of such madness. The essence of this tragedy, it
seems to me, derives from a fundamental absence of empathy on the part of
the attackers: an inability to imagine, or connect with, the humanity or
suffering of others. Such a failure of empathy, such numbness to the pain of
a child or the desperation of a parent is not innate; nor, history tells us,
is it unique to a particular culture, religion or ethnicity. It may find
expression in a particular brand of violence, it may be channeled by
particular demagogues or fanatics.
"Most often, though, it grows out a climate of poverty and ignorance,
helplessness and despair.
"We will have to make sure, despite our rage, that any U.S. military action
takes into account the lives of innocent civilians abroad. We will have to
be unwavering in opposing bigotry or discrimination directed against
neighbors and friends of Middle-Eastern descent. Finally, we will have to
devote far more attention to the monumental task of raising the hopes and
prospects of embittered children across the globe - children not just in the
Middle East, but also in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe and within our own
shores."
November 5 2009
[First remarks on the terrorist attack at Ft Hood]
OBAMA: Please, everybody, have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken
and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an
extraordinary conference.
I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who
participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow was around, and so I
want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It's
good to see you.
(APPLAUSE)
My understanding is is that you had an extremely productive conference. I
want to thank all of you for coming and for your efforts, and I want to give
you my solemn guarantee that this is not the end of a process, but the
beginning of a process and that we are going to follow up.
(APPLAUSE)
We are going to follow up. Every single member of my team understands that
this is a top priority for us. I want you to know that, as I said this
morning, this -- this is not something that we just give lip service to. And
we are going to keep on working with you to make sure that the first
Americans get the best possible chances in life in a way that's consistent
with your extraordinary traditions and culture and values.
Now, I have to say, though, that beyond that, I had planned to make some
broader remarks about the challenges that lay ahead for Native Americans as
well as collaboration with our administration.
But as some of you might have heard, there has been a tragic shooting at the
Fort Hood Army base in Texas. We don't yet know all the details at this
moment. We will share them as we get them.
[. . . and there's more, of course, but who could possibly remember that
cant from all the rest of his cant?]
Piet de Arcilla
> [. . . and there's more, of course, but who could possibly remember that
> cant from all the rest of his cant?]
You don't seem to have a sense of scale. How many people died on 9/11
for every one who died at Fort Hood? How many people have died in Iraq
for every one who died on 9/11?
Piet de Arcilla
> cant from all the rest of his cant?]
I just noticed that you're comparing Obama's reaction on the day the
Fort Hood shooting happened to Bush's speech three days after 9/11.
Shouldn't you compare Obama's mention of the shooting to what Bush
said _on 9/11_?
Tomm Carr
Sense of scale?!? Over here you have over 3000 people murdered and over
there you have 13 people murdered. And the difference between the two is
WHAT exactly?
Does this sense of scale mean we should have withdrawn from Iraq the
moment 3000 Iraqis died? But how many Iraqis were saved from being
murdered by their own government? How many Iraqis have a better, longer
life because there are no more death squads, mass graves, rape rooms,
children's prisons...
Say that last out loud, slowly -- feel how it rolls off your tongue:
CHIL-DREN'S PRI-SONS.
What on Earth have we done that we should regret or apologize for doing?
WHERE can you possibly equate what we have done with what has been done
to us or has been done to other innocent people we have saved?
--
Tomm Catt
http://www.examiner.com/x-26551-Phoenix-Freethought-Examiner
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
practice, there is.
Charles Bell
This may seem trite, but what the hell! you deserve no better: the
lost of a single life to islamo-fascism is too many. And Obama's crime
is not that he was directly responsible for the loss of the 13 but
that he just does not care to act in his capacity as the U.S.
Commander-in-Chief to rid the U.S. of the problem and furthermore
seeks to excuse the act and belittle its significance. Engaging the
U.S. military (and risk the loss of American soldiers) to fight islamo-
fascism is what the Commander-in-Chief ought to do and is empowered to
do and which President Bush legally and justly did in Iraq.
Charles Bell
No, a sense of timing itself is important. No one can claim that
either President Bush or Obama spoke too early, not apprising each
himself of the facts beforehand. It is what each said and how he said
it that provided the contrast. What Obama said in the later photo-op
Ft Hood memorial (when certainly all the facts were known to him) was
cant and nothing other than cant; whereas President Bush's formal
speech to the nation on 9/11 was as deep from his heart and inspiring
to the nation as his spontaneous the bullhorn ground-zero speech I
quoted.
acar
>
> September 19 2001
>
> Barack Obama: "We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of
> understanding the sources of such madness.
You are exaggerating on both cases. Obama's words were appropriate but
saying that he rose to greatness is over the top. Bush's words with
the bull horn are pretty much what any American would have said in his
place. On what basis are you calling him a traitor? Is it because he
kept telling the children about the goat after he was informed that
the US was under attack? That may be incompetence but certainly not
treason. I don't understand.
Mark N
:-D
Mark
x
x
Charles Bell
> On Nov 16, 7:26�pm, Charles Bell <cbel...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > September 19 2001
>
> > Barack Obama: "We must also engage, however, in the more difficult task of
> > understanding the sources of such madness.
>
> You are exaggerating on both cases.
Nope. Bush rose to the occasion and Obama then and now sinks to the
depths of treachery.
> Obama's words were appropriate
Appropriate for what? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy who must be
understood rather than reviled for the sub-human vermin they are?
> but
> saying that he rose to greatness is over the top. �Bush's words with
> the bull horn are pretty much what any American would have said in his
> place.
Yes, Bush was an American President for Americans. Obama is an
unconstitutional President not fit for Americans.
Charles Bell
RichD
> >Bush's words with the bull horn are pretty much what any
> >American would have said in his place.
>
> Yes, Bush was an American President for Americans.
You mean, an alcoholic who spoke, and
listened to, the Old Guy in the Sky, who
shot first and asked questions later, a bullet
dodging chicken hawk, business failure,
who climbed to the top on the family name,
then bloated imperial spending and regulations
more than anyone since LBJ?
yep, he was a real american, agreed....
--
Rich
Charles Bell
<Libertarian bullshit propaganda>
. . . is the reason why we have the traitor in the Whitehouse. Go
suck David Friedman's tiny dick and spread your legs for an ACLU gang
bang to further expedite your "intellect" down into anarchist
collectivism.
Mark N
Jeez, a guy can't even laugh at a joke around here without getting
called nasty names by Charles. :-(
Mark
Charles Bell
I think the time for that kind of joking is over. Where are the
"jokes" about Obama in any case? Where was the banning of anybody from
hpo for saying words to the effect "Kill Bush" even though Jerry was
banned for metaphorically suggesting the same for Obama? Maybe I have
been Cassandra-esque about HRH Potatohead, but I have also been right
so far about him (racist, nationalist, socialist, narcissist), while
it is also true that no libertarian (both strict and loose) has
apologized for his tacit support of him against McCain or Bush while
finding it necessary to continue with the nonsense of exaggeration of
Bush's faults, political and personal.
Certainly, there is something which I did not predict and that is
Obama's treachery with respect to military defense (with his being
treasonous rather than merely Carter-Clinton negligent), and I admit
there is no proof of that still. However, such hard proof would come
only after the damage would be done. Obama has no constitutional right
to be President and should be removed irrespective of an unproven
charge of treason. Why is that *never* discussed?
Moreover, I quite frankly have come to believe that to anarchists like
David Friedman treason against constitutional and just military
defense would be a good thing and coercion towards domestic anarchy
(of the kind that necessarily comes alongside socialism) is not such a
bad thing. All in that is the leftist, anarcho-libertarian ridicule
of the century-old status quo of American democracy, with all its
faults, as best represented by President Bush and the 1995-2007 GOP
Congress. Oh, how important was it to point out how Bush pronounced
"nuclear" or that he was a high-church Protestant Christian or that
he severed honorably in the Texas National Guard or that his father
was a decent President or that earlier in life by two decades drank
too much or that he as President and the GOP Congress maintained,
rather than preferably changed, the 40-year federal spending habit
(through 8 presidents and 20 Congresses) of about 20% of the GDP,
never mentioning that Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
accent, that he was a pothead and coke addict and maintains a nicotine
habit, that he belonged to a belligerently anti-American, racist,
Marxism-oriented church, that he never served honorably in anything
nor ever engaged in enterprise of any kind, that his father (the
original Kenyan one) was an dead-beat Dad, alcoholic polygamist
narcissist insignificant socialist bureaucrat, that he hides all
traces of his affirmative-action academic "achievement", that he has
succeeded in less than a year to triple the already historically high
federal deficit bringing the fraction of the GDP in federal spending
up to 30%, not seen since WWII.
acar
precaution. If you go with them peacefully everything will be fine.
Charles Bell
> The white coats are just uniforms. The straight jacket is just a
> precaution. If you go with them peacefully everything will be fine.
You're the asshole. Anti-semitic prick, too.
x.
xx.
xxx.
xx.
x.
Jim Klein
> The white coats are just uniforms. The straight jacket is just a
> precaution. If you go with them peacefully everything will be fine.
When you're done with them, come back and find
something false there, especially about Obama.
That would be interesting. This is just watching
you gurgle.
jk
acar
> On Nov 20, 2:51�pm, acar <acarm...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > The white coats are just uniforms. The straight jacket is just a
> > precaution. If you go with them peacefully everything will be fine.
>
> You're the asshole.
Make up your mind. Or is Mark off the hook?
>Anti-semitic prick, too.
Like I said - if you quiet down everything will be fine.
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acar
Now there's two of them.
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Ken Gardner
"Mark N" wrote:
> Jeez, a guy can't even laugh at a joke around here without getting
> called nasty names by Charles. :-(
You know you love being called nasty names by Charles. Admit it. Confess.
Jim Klein
> > When you're done with them, come back and find
> > something false there, especially about Obama.
>
> > That would be interesting. This is just watching
> > you gurgle.
>
> Now there's two of them.
I think this reads, "I can't find anything false there,
especially about Obama." Do I have that right? I
didn't know he was an out-and-out "coke addict,"
but apparently you don't know that the charge is
false.
Oh...in case you can't remember the charges,
they were:
------------------------------------------
...Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
accent, that he was a pothead and coke addict and maintains a nicotine
habit, that he belonged to a belligerently anti-American, racist,
Marxism-oriented church, that he never served honorably in anything
nor ever engaged in enterprise of any kind, that his father (the
original Kenyan one) was an dead-beat Dad, alcoholic polygamist
narcissist insignificant socialist bureaucrat, that he hides all
traces of his affirmative-action academic "achievement", that he has
succeeded in less than a year to triple the already historically high
federal deficit bringing the fraction of the GDP in federal spending
up to 30%, not seen since WWII.
-------------------------------------------
I suppose "pothead" is open to degree, and the "coke
addict" charge has been supported only by your
silence, but otherwise everything else seems a
matter of public record.
Or can you find something false in there, but just
don't feel like sharing?
jk
Charles Bell
> I suppose "pothead" is open to degree, and the "coke
> addict" charge has been supported only by your
> silence, but otherwise everything else seems a
> matter of public record.
>
In DoMF, Obama said he "did some blow" . . . which of itself does not
mean an addiction in a clinical sense if his admission is what to go
by, but it was part of a pot-booze-coke habit he said he had
throughout high school and college until about 20. I suppose I found
the casualness of the confession troubling (he was to sure to mention
that he drew the line at heroin), but that is part of my standard
against drug use, and his pathetic attempt to blame "hurt" and
"disaffection" [by his mixed race, of course] was a bogus
justification which he does a lot.
acar
> by, but it was part of a pot-booze-coke habit he said he had
> throughout high school and college until about 20. �
... And not even an American!, It sounds like Charles is onto
something! :--))
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acar
>
> Oh...in case you can't remember the charges,
> they were:
> ------------------------------------------
> ...Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
> accent, that he was a pothead and coke addict and maintains a nicotine
> habit, that he belonged to a belligerently anti-American, racist,
> Marxism-oriented church, that he never served honorably in anything
> nor ever engaged in enterprise of any kind, that his father (the
> narcissist insignificant socialist bureaucrat, that he hides all
> traces of his affirmative-action academic "achievement", that he has
> succeeded in less than a year to triple the already historically high
> federal deficit bringing the fraction of the GDP in federal spending
> up to 30%, not seen since WWII.
>
> don't feel like sharing?
>
OK. I don't know why but I'll share.
Charles litany of charges are stupid. Here's why:
> ...Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
> accent,
This a serious charge. (!) Not that you and Charles are bigots of
course. For your information the US was populated by European
immigrants most of which spoke English with an accent. I have a
Spanish accent. Rand had a Russian accent. John Kennedy had a New
England accent. What regional or ethnic accents do you think are
superior to other acccents and (especially) why?
> that he was a pothead and coke addict and maintains a nicotine
> habit,
Charles is a Bush admirer, so past addictions should not count.
Regarding the nicotine -- I have not seen him smoke but nicotine
addiction is legal. My advise to Obama - Don't be so much like
Roosevelt. Quit, if you have not already done so.
> that he belonged to a belligerently anti-American, racist,
> Marxism-oriented church,
The charge of church affiliation was also leveled against John
Kennedy, even though the Catholic Church has a non-democratic
government and like Objectivism, claims precedence in every aspect of
life. The church that Obama quit was neither anti-American nor
Marxist. Was it racist? No more and no less than a lot of other
churches.
> that he never served honorably in anything
Obama served honorably in a lot of organizations. He did not serve in
the Armed Forces but there is no evidence that he dodged the draft,
like so many of Charles' admirees.
> nor ever engaged in enterprise of any kind,
He engaged in various non-business enterprises. Failure to work in
business does not give us as much information as failing at business;
yet Charles admires W. Bush.
> that his father (the
> original Kenyan one) was an dead-beat Dad, alcoholic polygamist
> narcissist insignificant socialist bureaucrat,
This sounds like praise to me. If everything that he says is correct,
Obama has overcome a lot.
> that he hides all
> traces of his affirmative-action academic "achievement",
Doesn't hide the traces very well unless Charles has an inside track
to "hidden" information. By the way, why is "achievement" between
quotation marks?
> that he has
> succeeded in less than a year to triple the already historically high
> federal deficit bringing the fraction of the GDP in federal spending
> up to 30%, not seen since WWII.
He has a stable of top-notch economic advisors. If they know what they
are talking about, Charles and you don't.
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Bert Hyman
news:59e36507-52ee-4f7d...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com
acar <acar...@mail.com> wrote:
> What regional or ethnic accents do you think are
> superior to other acccents and (especially) why?
Do you think a speaker should intentionally adopt the accent and speech
patterns of his intended audience when he normally speaks in an entirely
different way?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Charles Bell
>
> OK. I don't know why but I'll share.
> Charles litany of charges are stupid. Here's why:
>
> > ...Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
> > accent,
>
> This a serious charge. (!) Not that you and Charles are bigots of
> course.
His accent -- from time to time in his speechifying mode --- is as
genuine as mine would be if I tried to do that. Notice the "phony"
part of the description. I do not mind genuine regional or ethnic
accents at all, though I draw the line at "ebonics" or "jive" or
whatever excuse blacks use for really bad English. The criticism was
aimed against the tired old complaint that Bush pronounced certain
words like "nuclear" as a Texan typically would. His accent was
genuine, not at all annoying to ordinary people not interested in
manufacturing some phony fault in him.
In fact, all of my points made against Obama were intended to match
one-for-one those leveled at Bush. That is something I am sure you
failed to notice.
Like: Bush was in the Texas Air National Guard instead of the armed
forces in Vietnam. So? Obama did nothing to put his life on the line
for his country in any way.
Like: Bush was not quite the successful businessman that Andrew
Carnegie was. So? Obama is allegic to hard work in a genuine
enterprise. His career as a working lawyer mostly involved some minor
paper-pushing in very easy civil litigation.
>
> Charles is a Bush admirer, so past addictions should not count.
> Regarding the nicotine -- I have not seen him smoke but nicotine
> addiction is legal. My advise to Obama - Don't be so much like
> Roosevelt. Quit, if you have not already done so.
Totally misses the point. Bush has been called an alcoholic because
it is well known that twenty+ years ago he got a DUI and messed up in
some other ways. Again, it is about the hypocrisy of those who think
it is so important to remind people of this over and over again when
drug-habituated Obama -- during a time when his brain was still
growing -- is given a pass.
>
> Doesn't hide the traces very well unless Charles has an inside track
> to "hidden" information. By the way, why is "achievement" between
> quotation marks?
Really? What grades did he get at any of his institutions of
learning? We know that Bush was C student at Yale with a G.P.A. a
little better than John Kerry. What was Obama's G.P.A. at at
Occidental? At Columbia? At Harvard? Where is a copy of his senior
thesis? What was it about? We do know that he was an affirmative-
action and compromise choice to be editor of the Harvard Law Review
because he promised that conservatives could get a rare chance to get
some of their articles published, but unlike any other Editor in
recent memory, he did not publish a single article written by himself,
not did he ever publish a single paper as a "Law Professor" (actually,
lecturer) at Chicago.
The fact of the matter he strikes me as a remarkably dim-witted
individual with an unusual ability to read well words placed before
him -- like an English-language idiot savant.
acar
> Innews:59e36507-52ee-4f7d...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com
>
> Do you think a speaker should intentionally adopt the accent and speech
> patterns of his intended audience when he normally speaks in an entirely
> different way?
>
-- he's pandering. I say no, but I don't think that it is an egregious
fault.
I'm not happy about his deep bows to foreign dignitaries but that may
be my American arrogance. Following protocol may create good will, and
God knows we need it. None of that compares to losing the respect of
the world, letting businesses run amok and sending young men to die,
propelled by unrealistic expectations, in an unnecessary war.
acar
All blacks are stupid?
Bert Hyman
news:7b4ed070-598e-4824...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
acar <acar...@mail.com> wrote:
> None of that compares to losing the respect of
> the world, letting businesses run amok and sending young men to die,
> propelled by unrealistic expectations, in an unnecessary war.
>
What?
I thought that Obama was supposed to be winning the respect of the
world.
He's certainly doing all the rest of the things you accuse him of
though.
Bert Hyman
news:c4318935-2d72-44c5...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
acar <acar...@mail.com> wrote:
Hmm?
My copy of the post doesn't say anything remotely suggestive of that; I
even went back and looked at the original. All I see is "remarkably
dim-witted individual", although I don't find Obama to be all that
remarkable in that respect for a politician.
Where do you buy your news? Maybe you need a new provider.
Jim Klein
> > Or can you find something false in there, but just
> > don't feel like sharing?
>
> OK. I don't know why but I'll share.
> Charles litany of charges are stupid.
Trouble reading?
> Here's why:
>
> > ...Obama frequently lapses into a phony old negro
> > accent,
>
> This a serious charge. (!) Not that you and Charles are bigots of
> course. For your information the US was populated by European
> immigrants most of which spoke English with an accent. I have a
> Spanish accent. Rand had a Russian accent. John Kennedy had a New
> England accent. What regional or ethnic accents do you think are
> superior to other acccents and (especially) why?
I guess so, since this doesn't address the point at all. As
Bert already pointed out, it's the phoniness which is focal.
Also, I'm on the record as /defending/ so-called "non-
standard English" as superior to standard English in
many cases. This is something with which Charles
definitely doesn't agree.
It seems that one thing Charles and I have
in common, is not being read closely at all, by you.
> > that he was a pothead and coke addict and maintains a nicotine
> > habit,
>
> Charles is a Bush admirer, so past addictions should not count.
> Regarding the nicotine -- I have not seen him smoke but nicotine
> addiction is legal. My advise to Obama - Don't be so much like
> Roosevelt. Quit, if you have not already done so.
I read this as, "Okay, that wasn't false."
> > that he belonged to a belligerently anti-American, racist,
> > Marxism-oriented church,
>
> The charge of church affiliation was also leveled against John
> Kennedy, even though the Catholic Church has a non-democratic
> government and like Objectivism, claims precedence in every aspect of
> life. The church that Obama quit was neither anti-American nor
> Marxist. Was it racist? No more and no less than a lot of other
> churches.
I read this as, "Okay, that wasn't false."
> > that he never served honorably in anything
>
> Obama served honorably in a lot of organizations.
What organizations and what leads you to believe
he served honorably? I guess you're saying this is
false, but a drop of specifics would be nice.
And don't bring up ACORN---it's impossible to serve
in that organization honorably!
> He did not serve in
> the Armed Forces but there is no evidence that he dodged the draft,
> like so many of Charles' admirees.
Oh...maybe you're saying it's not false.
> > nor ever engaged in enterprise of any kind,
>
> He engaged in various non-business enterprises. Failure to work in
> business does not give us as much information as failing at business;
> yet Charles admires W. Bush.
Eating dinner is an "enterprise," and I'm guessing Obama
does that nearly every night. Obviously, that wasn't the
intended meaning.
Hence, I read this as, "Okay, that wasn't false."
> > that his father (the
> > original Kenyan one) was an dead-beat Dad, alcoholic polygamist
> > narcissist insignificant socialist bureaucrat,
>
> This sounds like praise to me. If everything that he says is correct,
> Obama has overcome a lot.
I read this as, "Okay, that wasn't false."
> > that he hides all
> > traces of his affirmative-action academic "achievement",
>
> Doesn't hide the traces very well unless Charles has an inside track
> to "hidden" information. By the way, why is "achievement" between
> quotation marks?
Probably because getting a degree is different, especially
these days, from achieving a degree. So once again,
I read this as, "Okay, that wasn't false."
> > that he has
> > succeeded in less than a year to triple the already historically high
> > federal deficit bringing the fraction of the GDP in federal spending
> > up to 30%, not seen since WWII.
>
> He has a stable of top-notch economic advisors.
So you think borrowing us into oblivion is "top-notch"?
Interesting POV, I'll give you that.
> If they know what they
> are talking about, Charles and you don't.
Well, I didn't make the claim that I do. Charles wrote
something about Obama and you clearly implied that
what he wrote was false.
I'll take this post of yours as a retraction. It appears
that your conclusion is, "Okay, it's almost all true but
he's got a boatload of excuses."
But then, I wasn't asking for excuses since I already know
the reason. He was educated with the same bullshit
philosophy that you were. So much the worse for all of us.
jk
acar
>
> But then, I wasn't asking for excuses since I already know
> the reason. �He was educated with the same bullshit
> philosophy that you were. �So much the worse for all of us.
>
could add: "... and I mean it." I believe that you mean it, also. Very
sad.
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acar
> Innews:c4318935-2d72-44c5...@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com
>
> Where do you buy your news? Maybe you need a new provider.
It's not the news. The brain is the problem.
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acar
> Innews:7b4ed070-598e-4824...@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com
>
> acar <acarm...@mail.com> wrote:
> > None of that compares to losing the respect of
> > the world, letting businesses run amok and sending young men to die,
> > propelled by unrealistic expectations, in an unnecessary war.
>
> What?
>
> I thought that Obama was supposed to be winning the respect of the
> world.
>
> He's certainly doing all the rest of the things you accuse him of
> though.
>
Fighting the Taliban and AlQaeda is still necessary.
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Mark N
OK, I'll admit it. I do derive some comfort from the fact that Charles
cares about me enough to call me nasty names. :-)
Mark