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Romney could be the ticket to take out Obama.
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Paul Wharton
Mar 29, 2012, 10:45:00 PM3/29/12
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I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
This obviously shows that the last three plus years have all been a
bad dream, as I explained in my 4/28/11 post in
humanities.philosophy.objectivism--titled "Barack Obama Never Was
President":
http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.philosophy.objectivism/msg/0360de8
0d0400a8e
What Obama obviously plans to do is to use Romney's desire for
executive power as a pardon for Obama's anti-americanism. If the
Republicans excuse Romney, Obama's silver bullet will remain in its
chamber.
Everyone knows that the Republican race is in essence a vehicle to
remove Obama. If Romney can be disqualified by the citizenship issue,
use that to take out Obama.
Paul Wharton
Objectivist Capitalist Medicine Promoter
Special thanks to Eli Lilly & Co. (LLY) for being the fuel of my mind
born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
This obviously shows that the last three plus years have all been a
bad dream, as I explained in my 4/28/11 post in
humanities.philosophy.objectivism--titled "Barack Obama Never Was
President":
http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.philosophy.objectivism/msg/0360de8
0d0400a8e
What Obama obviously plans to do is to use Romney's desire for
executive power as a pardon for Obama's anti-americanism. If the
Republicans excuse Romney, Obama's silver bullet will remain in its
chamber.
Everyone knows that the Republican race is in essence a vehicle to
remove Obama. If Romney can be disqualified by the citizenship issue,
use that to take out Obama.
Paul Wharton
Objectivist Capitalist Medicine Promoter
Special thanks to Eli Lilly & Co. (LLY) for being the fuel of my mind
Paul Robinson
Apr 10, 2012, 9:23:32 PM4/10/12
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On Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:45:00 PM UTC-4, Paul Wharton wrote:
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
> The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
> except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
> the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
As I have pointed out multiple times to Ding Dong Bell, and to those who want to raise the same sort of Birther arguments to exclude Obama as being a candidate, that the United States Supreme Court has made the citizenship of one's parents completely irrelevant to the citizenship of someone born in the United States.
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
> The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
> except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
> the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
As the Republican-hated 14th Amendment points out, there are only two classes of citizenship, persons born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction, and nationalized citizens. The first means you were born here and you do not have diplomatic immunity as a result of being not subject to the laws of the united states because your parents are diplomats, then you're a natural-born citizen. There are no restrictions or limitations on your citizenship regardless of whether your parents are citizens or are immigrants visiting here; if you're born here and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, you're a full citizen and are a natural-born citizen.
Congress can, by legislation, add to this, which is why John McCain, who isn't even a natural-born citizen (he was born in the Canal Zone), is considered to be one because both his parents were American Citizens.
I have gone over the issue exhaustively in this article from April 10, 2011:
http://groups.google.com/group/humanities.philosophy.objectivism/msg/b13fde1502a9aa8f?hl=en
"This was settled by the last paragraph of United States v. Wong Kim
Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 705 (1898):
"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative." "
Unless your parents have diplomatic immunity, their citizenship has no bearing at all on yours. If you're born here and your parents aren't diplomats you're a natural-born citizen.
Besides, if it was that important, why weren't the people who opposed Obama - or Romney - filing challenges with their state elections boards when he applied to be the nominee of the party. At that time as an elector you do have standing to challenge his candidacy and if you lose you do have standing to sue.
And I know why. Someone would sue to try to keep Obama off the democratic ballot (or Romney off the Republican), the court would ask for the candidate's birth certificate, having seen it, would dismiss as irrelevant any argument about the citizenship of his parents unless it was provable they had diplomatic immunity, then find for the candidate AND award them court costs and attorneys fees. The Birthers and all the people trying to claim Obama (or Romney) isn't a natural-born citizen would get their ass handed to them for a hat for raising completely frivolous arguments having about as much validity as a tax protester trying to claim that the Income Tax is unconstitutional.
Paul Robinson
Apr 10, 2012, 9:26:03 PM4/10/12
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On Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:45:00 PM UTC-4, Paul Wharton wrote:
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
Romney has admitted his Father was from Mexico. Romney was born in Detroit.
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
Charles Bell
Apr 24, 2012, 6:07:15 AM4/24/12
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http://www.mindmelding.com/natural_born.htm
"'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the
constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children
born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became
themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or
natural-born citizens,
Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168."
in re: McCain, Senate Resolution 511, 2008, voted in the affirmative
by Sen. Obama
It was the resolved opinion of the Senate that a man not born in the
U.S. but to two U.S. citizens overseas *is* a natural born citizen
under the circumstances John McCain was born, and thus as to the only
decided case in history on the matter of what is natural-born
eligibility for the Presidency, not location of birth in the U.S. but
rather to U.S. citizen parents was held as true.
2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.
<<Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the
Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that
"natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the
geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of
circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be
born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal
parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race,
were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born
abroad, were not.>>
On the other hand, as was the argument forced on McCain by his
Democrat opponents, it is not unreasonable, by force of law, to have
asked/expected that Obama show evidence to his own assertion that, on
being the son of an resident-alien student passing through the U.S.,
does not make him ineligible to run for the Presidency even if statue
has made him a citizen. This issue has always been that being merely a
citizen by statute, born on U.S. soil, not natural born of citizens,
unless of the first-generation of Presidents who made an exception for
themselves, is insufficient to be President.
"'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the
constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children
born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became
themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or
natural-born citizens,
Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168."
in re: McCain, Senate Resolution 511, 2008, voted in the affirmative
by Sen. Obama
It was the resolved opinion of the Senate that a man not born in the
U.S. but to two U.S. citizens overseas *is* a natural born citizen
under the circumstances John McCain was born, and thus as to the only
decided case in history on the matter of what is natural-born
eligibility for the Presidency, not location of birth in the U.S. but
rather to U.S. citizen parents was held as true.
2 Bancroft Hist. U.S. Const. 193.
<<Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the
Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that
"natural-born citizen" applied to everybody born within the
geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of
circumstances, and that the children of foreigners, happening to be
born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal
parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race,
were eligible to the Presidency, while children of our citizens, born
abroad, were not.>>
On the other hand, as was the argument forced on McCain by his
Democrat opponents, it is not unreasonable, by force of law, to have
asked/expected that Obama show evidence to his own assertion that, on
being the son of an resident-alien student passing through the U.S.,
does not make him ineligible to run for the Presidency even if statue
has made him a citizen. This issue has always been that being merely a
citizen by statute, born on U.S. soil, not natural born of citizens,
unless of the first-generation of Presidents who made an exception for
themselves, is insufficient to be President.
Charles Bell
Apr 26, 2012, 6:30:06 AM4/26/12
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On Mar 29, 10:45 pm, Paul Wharton <paulwhar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
Romney's grandfather, who had five wives, was part of a religious cult
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
that refused to accept Utah's legal prohibition against polygamy and
emigrated to Northern Mexico without renouncing U.S. citizenship, then
possible. George Romney, his father, was a U.S. citizen, even if
born in Mexico [his NBC status was questioned when he ran for
President in 1968], and Mitt Romney was born in the U.S. to U.S.
citizens.
It is possible to be a NBC even if born in another country, John
McCain and Senate Resolution 511 (2008) , but it is impossible to be a
NBC if not born to persons not U.S. citizens.
http://www.mindmelding.com/natural_born.htm
[The first immigration act in 1790 prohibited citizenship to children
whose fathers never gave intent to permanently reside in the United
States, and a Natural Born Citizen was defined as being one "that may
be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States,
provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons
whose fathers have never been a resident in the United States:"]
Jordy Chase
Apr 28, 2012, 2:51:23 PM4/28/12
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WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GALAXIES and THE
UNIVERSES!!! THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!
Puppet_Sock
May 1, 2012, 4:25:47 PM5/1/12
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On Apr 28, 2:51 pm, Jordy Chase <icn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GALAXIES and THE
> UNIVERSES!!! THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!
Cheese and crackers, you go away for a few months and look
> WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GALAXIES and THE
> UNIVERSES!!! THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!
what wanders in.
Socks
Bert
May 1, 2012, 4:39:52 PM5/1/12
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In news:hpo.20120428185302$34...@news.killfile.org Jordy Chase
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
<icn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GALAXIES
> and THE UNIVERSES!!!
Show me your papers.
> WE ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE EARTH, THE SOLAR SYSTEM, THE GALAXIES
> and THE UNIVERSES!!!
--
be...@iphouse.com St. Paul, MN
Bert
May 1, 2012, 4:43:35 PM5/1/12
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In news:d52b4add-e420-47f0...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com
George Romney was born of US citizens, which makes him a "natural born
citizen" regardless of where he was born.
Mitt Romney was born in Michigan.
Paul Wharton <paulw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
> The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
> except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
> the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
Is the second paragraph supposed to have some relation to the first?
> I have been reading and hearing rumors that Mitt Romney's father was
> born in Mexico; and he may have been born there, too.
>
> The Constitution of the United States of America says: "No Person
> except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at
> the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to
> the Office of President..."(Article II, Section 1)
George Romney was born of US citizens, which makes him a "natural born
citizen" regardless of where he was born.
Mitt Romney was born in Michigan.
Bert
May 1, 2012, 4:44:25 PM5/1/12
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In news:d52b4add-e420-47f0...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com
Paul Wharton <paulw...@comcast.net> wrote:
Paul Wharton <paulw...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Everyone knows that the Republican race is in essence a vehicle to
> remove Obama.
Every campaign is "a vehicle" to remove the incumbent.
> remove Obama.
Charles Bell
May 2, 2012, 5:28:03 AM5/2/12
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On May 1, 4:43 pm, Bert <b...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> George Romney was born of US citizens, which makes him a "natural born
> citizen" regardless of where he was born.
>
Where have you heard that? That sounds preposterous. Something even
> George Romney was born of US citizens, which makes him a "natural born
> citizen" regardless of where he was born.
>
Faux News would ignore. The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
has the words "natural born citizen shall thus be sired by a Kenyan
communist travelling the U.S. on a student visa" right there in it!
> Mitt Romney was born in Michigan.
>
should we care in any case?
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