ADMIN: Manda Ruby
Malrassic Park
nym-shifting killfile evader?
Ken Gardner
"Malrassic Park" wrote:
> Anybody have a clue as to how this forum should deal with Amanda the
> nym-shifting killfile evader?
Is waterboarding an option?
Manda Ruby
> Anybody have a clue as to how this forum should deal with Amanda the
> nym-shifting killfile evader?
It is your opinion that I was nym-shifting. The admin knew that I lost
my password to my previous account (b/c I changed it to be consistent
with a group passwords I was going to use, creating new ones for
different types, and then not using it right away and forgot. No I do
not wrote down my passwords.)
It is interesting that you're hell bent on making it look like it's
the whole group against me while it's you against me for PERSONAL
reason. Let's be honest, It's not about my view on things that bothers
you. It's about youer ego getting hurt when you tested me by askign me
whether I got the email you sent implying that you sent me a private
email, to see whether I would rush and checked and communicate with
you instead of replying that I do not check emails in that account.
(Not that you sent any but you're testing me like a low life would
do.) I have a rule/policy I follow not to communicate privately with
people I meet in forums (except if it relates to education (academic
as well as job related) and hence do not check emails on a regular
basis.
The mature thing for you to do it to get over your hurt ego which got
worsen as you vindictively attacked me and got what you desrved. The
other choice is to eat your shit. Good grief, you are a parent. Grow
the fxxk up!
Malrassic Park
wrote:
>On Dec 13, 9:48�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Anybody have a clue as to how this forum should deal with Amanda the
>> nym-shifting killfile evader?
>
>
>It is your opinion that I was nym-shifting. The admin knew that I lost
>my password to my previous account
Accounts are not required to log on to this forum. Your name changes
every time you come back here.
Exactly three years ago this forum had a similar discussion on what to
do about Amanda.
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 17:06:24 +0000 (UTC)
Agent Cooper wrote [addressing shh.. AKA Amanda]:
>I really don't want to get drawn into this again. If the only reason
>why you [Amanda] come here is to get into these sort of discussions, knowing
>that many, though not all, Objectivists are sympathetic to Israel, and
>some have Jewish ancestry themselves, couldn't you take it to
>alt.politics.nationalism.white or soc.culture.jewish or something? This
>is supposed to be a discussion forum for the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
>I've never heard you say a single word about Ayn Rand in the couple of
>years I've seen you here.
I fully second these remarks. And likewise, I don't remember "Shh"
(a/k/a Amanda) ever saying a single word about Objectivism (or, for
that matter, philosophy generally).
Ken
>> I should apologize to the rest of you. I was posting via Google, which
>> doesn't have a killfile feature, and ordinarily I don't read her [shh.. AKA Amanda]
>> now, but she's changed her handle for a third time in as many weeks. (I
>> don't know if that qualifies under the HPO rules,
I'm pretty sure it does. And if not, I suggest we change the rules so
that it does. It is misleading to the rest of us who want to killfile
Amanda for her to keep hiding her identity. She has a long and very
annoying history of posting on topics that are either totally
irrelevant to this newsgroup and/or totally offensive even to those of
us who are not Jewish.
Ken
Jim Klein
> I'm pretty sure it does. And if not, I suggest we change the rules so
> that it does. It is misleading to the rest of us who want to killfile
> Amanda for her to keep hiding her identity. She has a long and very
> annoying history of posting on topics that are either totally
> irrelevant to this newsgroup and/or totally offensive even to those of
> us who are not Jewish.
>
> Ken
Who's Ken?
It's bad enough that Jerry got barred off here,
thus causing me to not send Tim a check. Why
would you want more of that?
jk
Malrassic Park
wrote:
>> Ken
>
>Who's Ken?
Ken Gardener. Who else?
>It's bad enough that Jerry got barred off here,
Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO. These
words in that post were approved through Tim's server, which implies
that Tim approved those words - which is false, so Jerry earned a ban.
>thus causing me to not send Tim a check. Why
>would you want more of that?
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Malrassic Park
<male...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO. These
>words in that post were approved through Tim's server, which implies
>that Tim approved those words - which is false, so Jerry earned a ban.
It may not have been "kill Bush" but he did write "hang Bush" on a
couple of occasions.
acar
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:39:09 -0800, Malrassic Park
>
>
> >Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO. These
> >words in that post were approved through Tim's server, which implies
> >that Tim approved those words - which is false, so Jerry earned a ban.
>
> It may not have been "kill Bush" but he did write "hang Bush" on a
> couple of occasions.
If he hangs without dying he will suffer for a very long time. This
would be unconstitutional, since it would be quite unusual and very
cruel.
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Malrassic Park
The long and short of it is that, in my experience, nobody gets banned
from HPO unless two conditions are met: 1. there is a rule broken -
even if that rule isn't in the guidelines but involves, in this case,
breaking the laws of the land, and 2. there is a consensus among the
forum regulars that the poster needs to be banned.
This means that Amanda's constant nym-shifting to avoid killfiles,
while against HPO rules, won't take effect unless enough of the
regulars complain about it.
However, as you can see, regulars here complained about Amanda exactly
three years ago, and yet nothing happened.
Malrassic Park
wrote:
..
>"Malrassic Park" wrote:
..
>> Anybody have a clue as to how this forum should deal with Amanda the
>> nym-shifting killfile evader?
>
>Is waterboarding an option?
No. But perhaps we can manipulate her into threatening the president.
Jim Klein
> The long and short of it is that, in my experience, nobody gets banned
> from HPO unless two conditions are met: 1. there is a rule broken -
> even if that rule isn't in the guidelines but involves, in this case,
> breaking the laws of the land, and 2. there is a consensus among the
> forum regulars that the poster needs to be banned.
Where do you get this stuff? What consensus was there
to have Jerry banned, at least for what he was banned for?
> This means that Amanda's constant nym-shifting to avoid killfiles,
> while against HPO rules, won't take effect unless enough of the
> regulars complain about it.
Well, at least I can concede that you're consistent with
the historical basis of hpo. It was created to gratify a
bunch of whiners and apparently it still serves as home
to some.
> However, as you can see, regulars here complained about Amanda exactly
> three years ago, and yet nothing happened.
Sure it did---you got three years older. Of course, you
probably won't grow up unless you first choose to wake up.
jk
Charles Bell
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:58:03 -0800, Jim Klein <rum...@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
> >It's bad enough that Jerry got barred off here,
>
> Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO.
No he was banned because he alluded to Potatohead as someone who would
take away his guns and that anyone threatening to take away his guns
should be shot.
Tim Skirvin called this "threatening the President", notwithstanding
the fact that Jerry and some others said in various ways "kill
Bush".
Malrassic Park
<cbe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 12:39�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:58:03 -0800, Jim Klein <rum...@ix.netcom.com>
>> wrote:
..
>> >It's bad enough that Jerry got barred off here,
..
>> Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO.
..
>No he was banned because he alluded to Potatohead as someone who would
>take away his guns and that anyone threatening to take away his guns
>should be shot.
And how did Skirv find out about this Jerry post? He's not a regular
reader of this forum.
>Tim Skirvin called this "threatening the President", notwithstanding
>the fact that Jerry and some others said in various ways "kill
>Bush".
Yes.
Ray
news:328b3a9a-1d0c-41c9...@j9g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 14, 1:39 pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sure it did---you got three years older. Of course, you
> probably won't grow up unless you first choose to wake up.
>
Boy, you're in a mood! Complaining about HPO rules.
EPA just declared CO2 as a toxic gas.
Now that's something to bitch about.
Ray
Tim Skirvin
>> Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO.
> No he was banned because he alluded to Potatohead as someone who would
> take away his guns and that anyone threatening to take away his guns
> should be shot.
I interpreted Jerry's words back in February as a threat against
the president. There was some ambiguity, but the posts were enough to
worry me; I've seen the Secret Service respond to emailed threats in the
past, and it wasn't pretty or discriminate. So I'm a bit touchy on this
issue. Still, I figured a warning would suffice; unfortunately, he did
it again shortly thereafter.
I really hope that case doesn't require its own rule in the Group
Guidelines. The short version of it, though, is "please don't put your
friendly moderator at risk".
All of that said, I want to reiterate that I can see the ambiguity
here. I made a judgement call here, and while my call may be final, it's
not necessary immutable. Talk with me if you want to change my mind.
And, as for Manda Ruby - I haven't looked too closely, but while I
certainly see why y'all would like her to play a bit nicely, I don't see
any reason at this point to get involved.
- Tim Skirvin (tski...@killfile.org)
Moderator, humanities.philosophy.objectivism
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Charles Bell
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:14:10 -0800, Charles Bell
>
>
>
> <cbel...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >On Dec 14, 12:39�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:58:03 -0800, Jim Klein <rum...@ix.netcom.com>
> >> wrote:
> ..
> >> >It's bad enough that Jerry got barred off here,
> ..
> >> Jerry Story was banned for typing the words "kill Bush" to HPO.
> ..
> >No he was banned because he alluded to Potatohead as someone who would
> >take away his guns and that anyone threatening to take away his guns
> >should be shot.
>
> And how did Skirv find out about this Jerry post? He's not a regular
> reader of this forum.
>
I'd like to know. AFAIK only the imbecile Richard Lawrence complained
publically. And the original, more specific, threat Jerry made was
treated by Ken Gardner and others pretty much as it needed to be:
"Jerry, you idiot, the FBI will come knocking on your door . . "
> >Tim Skirvin called this "threatening the President", �notwithstanding
> >the fact that Jerry and some others �said in various ways "kill
> >Bush".
>
> Yes.
Perhaps, Jerry needed to be warned the first time, in that clear
threats against a President can conceivably bring everyone in hpo
under government scrutiny, but the final reason for his banning was
utterly asinine as there was no specific threat whatsoever.
Malrassic Park
wrote:
Great news, Manda Ruby! After trolling and nym-shifting on HPO for 5
years, Tim Skirvin says that at this time you're free to continue
fucking up this forum with your anti-semitic, racist, pro-terrorist
anti-American nonsense!!
YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Malrassic Park
<cbe...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>On Dec 14, 6:32�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:14:10 -0800, Charles Bell
..
..
>> And how did Skirv find out about this Jerry post? He's not a regular
>> reader of this forum.
..
>I'd like to know. AFAIK only the imbecile Richard Lawrence complained
>publically. And the original, more specific, threat Jerry made was
>treated by Ken Gardner and others pretty much as it needed to be:
>"Jerry, you idiot, the FBI will come knocking on your door . . "
Not when this is a moderated forum where posts such as those are
APPROVED piecemeal through Tim's server. In other words, if
threatening the president gets the FBI's attention, then Skirvin might
also get their attention because he runs the server that approves
those posts.
>> >Tim Skirvin called this "threatening the President", �notwithstanding
>> >the fact that Jerry and some others �said in various ways "kill
>> >Bush".
>>
>> Yes.
>Perhaps, Jerry needed to be warned the first time, in that clear
>threats against a President can conceivably bring everyone in hpo
>under government scrutiny, but the final reason for his banning was
>utterly asinine as there was no specific threat whatsoever.
I think you've seen Tim's post by now in which he says he did warn
Jerry only to have it continue.
Manda Ruby
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:45:16 -0800, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com>
Since you seem to be very cluless (that you will not succeed in
intimidating me just as you didn't succeed in trying to play with my
mind), let me clearify that I am writing this post because I am very
amused to know that you are this low to have headed this direction of
digging up the accusation that nationalist Cooper initiated it to
imply that my intention was to offend the Jewish people in this group.
Kolker, typical of intelligent Jewish people, OTOH knew that I just
wanted the damn clearification formt he experts (like Kolker) BECAUSE
my subconscious mind couldn't accept it as a component of a major
world religion like Judaism. Of coures, I was too lazy to do research
on my own and instead relied on the likes of Bob Kolker, giving
opportunity to the nationalist Cooper to attack me, and now giving
you, the low life, the opportunity to do the same. But no regrets as
this exposes you just as it did Cooper. What a small midn you people
are.
I consider it good practise becaue there are small-minded people like
Copper and you everywhere that I have to watch out for, namely, at
work. For each one of you, there are 3 times as many who likes me (at
work for my more than competent work) but still, keeping that in mind
would help me be prepared to not get surprised this time if I get this
new job in Environmental Health. Interview pending.
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Manda Ruby
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:45:16 -0800, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Great news, Manda Ruby! After trolling and nym-shifting on HPO for 5
> years, Tim Skirvin says that at this time you're free to continue
> fucking up this forum with your anti-semitic, racist, pro-terrorist
> anti-American nonsense!!
>
> YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Little boy pouting because his mean attempt didn't succeed.
For the record, I missed that previous account. That's my favorite of
all accounts used in non-official environment. I also miss the
account I used in Soc.Culture.Burma which password I changed along
with that AmandaF37 account. Those two were the only two accounts I
carefully chose to mean something (to me) unlike manda.ruby with ruby
referring to the rubies of Burma. Quite boring to think about it.
I give you once more chance to grow up and earn a reputation of not a
small-minded man. Damn, I am late to get ready for work b/c I did
spell check a little bit.
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Malrassic Park
wrote:
>On Dec 14, 7:57�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:45:16 -0800, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
..
>> Great news, Manda Ruby! After trolling and nym-shifting on HPO for 5
>> years, Tim Skirvin says that at this time you're free to continue
>> fucking up this forum with your anti-semitic, racist, pro-terrorist
>> anti-American nonsense!!
..
>> YAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
..
>Little boy pouting because his mean attempt didn't succeed.
You don't know what I was attempting. I did not expect Skirvin to ban
you "at this time* when most of your rule-breaking occurred three
years ago. So why don't you just go troll your way back to Myanmar and
shut the fuck up.
Ken Gardner
"Malrassic Park" wrote:
>>> Anybody have a clue as to how this forum should deal with Amanda the
>>> nym-shifting killfile evader?
>>Is waterboarding an option?
> No. But perhaps we can manipulate her into threatening the president.
All this will accomplish is getting her invited to a state dinner. What
good would that do? However, you had good intentions (Kantian pun fully
intended).
acar
>
> And how did Skirv find out about this Jerry post? He's not a regular
> reader of this forum.
>
been others as well.)
Outright banning was not the right thing to do IMO. Just tell him
"That is not acceptable. Don't do it again or you will be banned. In
any case I am one of the fuss-budgets who blew the whistle. I would do
it again.
Malrassic Park
>On Dec 14, 6:32�pm, Malrassic Park <malen...@hotmail.com> wrote:
..
>> And how did Skirv find out about this Jerry post? He's not a regular
>> reader of this forum.
..
>I brought it to his attention in a private e-mail. (There may have
>been others as well.)
..
>Outright banning was not the right thing to do IMO. Just tell him
>"That is not acceptable. Don't do it again or you will be banned. In
>any case I am one of the fuss-budgets who blew the whistle. I would do
>it again.
..
Jerry WAS warned, then he did it again. End of Story for Jerry.
acar
Amen
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