Islam Redux / S D Rodrian
SD
in New York City...
I say give Muslims the holidays they want;
and honor their faith by letting them chop
off the heads of a few non-Muslims as
commanded in the Koran. Maybe lop off
a few infidel hands as well. Encourage
Muslim children to rape their victims'
women (and boys), and to steal all the
non-Muslims they slaughtered once owned
--again, as explicitly commanded in the
Koran by Allah Himself. Otherwise, let's
not insult Muslims by pretending that
their "religion" is anything bearing any
resemblance to any of the genuine religions
of the civilized modern world:
I don't believe there's any religion today
except Islam in which killing someone is
the one thing which can guarantee the
killer goes directly to the bosom of God
no questions asked, although I could be
wrong--The ancient Aztecs also butchered
those not of their religion (cutting the
hearts out of their living victims) as part
of their faith. Although the Aztecs didn't
rape their victims' women (or boys) or
steal their properties as an act of religious
faith like Muslims. In fact, if I remember
correctly, the corpses of the victims of
the Aztecs were then used to feed the
less fortunate in Aztec society--certainly
a lot less wasteful a practice than the
Muslims' (who merely leave their victims'
corpses to be eaten by wild animals).
But Aztec butchery is not a modern
religious practice anywhere in the world,
of course, while Islamic butchery, on
the other hand, still is... everywhere not
protected by Western cops & armies.
In any case, Islamic suicide bombers and
other Muslim mass murderers all commit
their butchery as a religious duty--unlike,
say, an American soldier who may jump
on a grenade to save his buddies (he is not
expecting any religious reward whatever
for his ultimate sacrifice): Before going out
to commit mass murder, Muslim suicide
bombers have been known to wrap their
penes in satin so these may be protected
in the explosions they cause and can thus
"arrive in Paradise" ready to be used on
their allotment of 72 virgins undamaged.
Part of this planet earth lives under the real
"God of Light" (of "enlightenment," of wisdom,
of Moses, Jesus, of Isaac, & Israel)... and part
lives under the god of Perdition (of Hell, of
the infernal regions of the Dark). And it's all
too often too easy for Lucifer (who, as you
can see, cynically styles himself "The God of
Light") to confuse people. But let's understand
this: One god drags you to Perdition against
your will, and one God would like to see you
choose the Right Path of your own free will:
This is why the Muslims' cult is called "Submit"
(the English translation of the word "Islam").
Do you still doubt who Allah is? Then take
this question into consideration: "Can one
sin in Heaven?" Say you manage to reach
Heaven, God is walking by, and you spit on
Him. What do you think would happen? If
you believe you would have sinned and
must be sent to Hell then you are evidently
NOT a Muslim, because Muslims believe
one cannot sin in Paradise (Heaven). And
now you understand how Muslims may
rape 72 virgins in "Paradise" with complete
impunity. Coincidentally, Christians, on
the other hand, believe that one cannot sin
in Hell (in fact, Christians believe that the
more evil one does in Hell the more one is
rewarded by "the god of hell")... and that
the most sinful of all the inhabitants of Hell,
in fact, those who go the extra mile and
like to torture their fellow captives: become
Satan's little helpers (otherwise known as
his demons). And now you too understand
who Allah is, no matter what he may be
called up here on earth by his Muslims.
Ya know, a lot of people (under-educated
Americans mostly) are under the mistaken
impression that Islamic terrorism and mass
butchery is a post-World War II phenomenon
invented by Osama bin Laden or somebody
(whom they all also believe is the ONLY bad
Muslim who ever lived). But, actually, even
including the Armenian and Kashmiri and
African Islamic genocides (and so many,
many others)... today's Islamic genocides
can't even begin to compare with the truly
spectacular ones which history has been
recording since the time of Mohammed:
SURPRISE!
In spite of what you might imagine, we are
actually living in a time in history when there
is rather a nice absence of Islamic genocide
and mass murder (there was one particularly
infamous Muslim ruler in India hundreds of
years ago who used to "celebrate" his birthday
every year by slaughtering ONE HUNDRED
THOUSAND Hindus. Yes... every single year
--I mean, if such a thing were to happen
even once today it'd probably make all the
papers (although Islam itself would probably
not be condemned for it by President Obama
and others like him... even though that
infamous Islamic ruler I mentioned before
performed his "little" celebratory genocides
strictly as an Islamic duty fully sanctioned
and encouraged by his Islamic imams and
religious scholars). This was also the case
with the Armenian Genocide, of course,
where peasant Turks (some of whom can
be seen testifying to this fact on filmed
documentaries) were encouraged to kill
fleeing Armenian refugees, to rape their
women, and sons, and to steal all their
properties/possessions by Turkish imams
quite correctly interpreting the Koran. Of
course, not all Nazis were evil (millions
of Germans voted FOR Hitler... there must
have been very nice people among them
just like so many people today say there
are very nice Muslims here & there); and
yet for some unexplainable reason which
forever eludes me, unlike Islam (where
the evil Muslims do in the name of Islam
is NEVER blamed on Islam itself, despite
the everywhere-available & unequivocally
evil Koran), Nazism IS blamed for the evil
that Nazis did...!! A most puzzling thing!
I certainly can't explain it. Can you?
Yep: Throw in a bit of comparative religion
studies too--It could all be very instructive
indeed. [Why don't we see Muslims chopping
non-Muslims' heads all over Manhattan? (For
instance.) That is a very good question, which
could also be addressed in class during show-
and-tell: Does anybody know the answer?
Could I see some raised hands?... Mister
Bloomberg in front? The cops in the back?]
We could also explain to pupils why it is
that the one group which consistently seems
to need no coercion or compulsion to become
Muslims today seems to be, yep: incarcerated
criminals, of all people... Gee, I wonder why.
And do please let me know if any of the core
beliefs of Islam I am stipulating here are...
misrepresented in any way, and are NOT what
Muslims believe (as I have taken them directly
from the Koran itself and from the practice of
Muslims in general): Therefore, if you know
for a fact that most Muslims believe that their
Koran is full of shit, I would certainly want to
know that. Otherwise you are stipulating that
I have indeed stated the core beliefs of Islam
truthfully and without any inaccuracy here.
Now... many Christians (including myself)
acknowledge that the Bible is quite pixilated
and seriously full of silly bunk--Although I'll
grant you there ARE a number of Christians,
mainly here in the United States, who take
the Bible literally--but, of course, everybody
knows that these poor souls are mostly incest-
polluted baboons, home-schooled maybe
[albeit, this reminds me reading that there is
an unusually high rate of genetic diseases
caused by inbreeding among far too many
Arabs due to a tendency in them to marry
1st cousins.] Oh, well... This really isn't the
venue for that biology lesson. Class dismissed.
Bell~!
S D Rodrian
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Only science is universal.
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bv <bv6bv6...@gmail.com> wrote:
You do not know about Islam !.....
If you want to know about Islam,
please visit the following websites:
http://bugsbunny.com
http://UGH.com
http://elbigzapato.com
http://daffyduck.com
http://aguacate.org
http://twoeyedtosee.com
http://imstuffed.com
http://stoosforfools.org
http://thechulosarecoming.org
http://tomatoesforsale.com/quran
http://islamordeath.com
http://biteme--ibityou.com
Yes, nice sites. However, I see that you
could not refute anything I said; and for
your brave acknowledgement that I
spoke the truth about Islam: I thank you.
I do know about Islam. Too much, in fact.
And I certainly don't have to visit Islamic
propaganda sites to pick up lies. (I listen
to enough speeches by politicians as it is.)
One can start ferreting out a little of THE
TRUTH about the horrors of Islam here:
And that's just a little bit of the truth.
The whole horrific and gory truth about
Islam can be found in the careful reading
of history and/or the world's present-day
newsprint.
I advice you to do it, to save yourself
and your family: Please do study Islam
(just not from Islamist propagandists).
The Koran orders Muslims to lie, lie, lie.
In fact, it advises Muslims to hide the
Koran from non-Muslims because they
(non-Muslims) might eventually come to
grasp that it's really a master plan for
their conquest or obliteration... in spite
of all the tonnes & tonnes of propaganda
telling them it's some sort of "religion."
I guess the Koran never foresaw the net.
Let the sad tragic true story of all the once
glittering civilizations of the ancient world
which have been swallowed up by Islam and
spat up into the present-day devastation
that is the Muslim World today serve as a
terrible warning to you & your children...
S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
http://caruso.sdrodrian.com
All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
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zookumar yelubandi
> Muslims Demand Islamic School Holidays
> in New York City...
This propagandameister ... well, meister implies mastery...
let's say peddler ... rails against the chosen religion of 25% of the
world's population. Either he is mentally-challenged or a yokel who
stares the mathematics confronting his position with a fool's disdain.
Even if *all* his accusations had some basis in reality (which
is not the case, indeed, all are gross caricatures of Moslems and
Islam); they pale in comparison to the warring, the murdering, the
raping, the pillaging, the crimes of humanity, the crimes of usury,
and general-all-around mendacity exhibited by a subgroup from within his
*own* ethnicity, the Ashkenazis. The Jewish ethnicity of the Ashkenazis
is contentious, to say the least; with many *nonmainstream* sources
claiming predominant East and Central European origins (the warring,
barbaric Khazars) and many *mainstream* sources claiming South European
and North African origins. With their track record of mainstream
history revisionism and ongoing journalistic mendacity, I find
mainstream sources less compelling. In any event, whether predominantly
Khazarian, or predominantly South European, the Ashkenazi ethnicity is
best understood as that ethnicity that has given us the bankster class,
or at least, a significant portion of it. This bankster class, of
course, has funded and directed the great wars of modern history; the
great tyrants; the great ethnic cleansings; the great lootings of the
treasury; the great scams and Ponzi schemes; the great false flag
events; etc. Makes the argument for barbarian origins a virtual slam
dunk, IMO.
Getting back to this SD Rodrian ... ask him about his origins.
Being the shameless propagandist that he is, my best intuition tells me
that he is a myrmidon of the bankster class. To be sure, righteous Jews
and righteous Ashkenazis form the vast majority of their respective
groupings; and many Ashkenazis are, indeed, righteous practicing Jews.
Having said that, the bankster class is thick with mendacious Ashkenazis
and phony Jews (e.g. the Zionists aka False Flag Jews).
SD Rodrian is a Zionist. He is no righteous Jew. And he is no
righteous Ashkenazi. He is what he is ... a propaganda peddler.
Uncle Zook
SD
> SD wrote [see my post below]:
>
> This propagandameister ... well,
> meister implies mastery...
> let's say peddler ... rails against the
> chosen religion of 25% of the
> world's population.
Well, history records that Islam is not now
nor has it ever been a "religion" strictly
spread on its merits, but has always been
spread by the sword, fear, and intimidation.
And, in fact, Muslims are rather proud of this
gruesome fact. There's no controversy there.
Christians, on the other hand, call their bible
the Gospels ("the good word") and are more
than glad to have everyone read it. Muslims
call their cult Islam ("Submit!" as in "or else!").
And now you know why the Koran itself advises
Muslims to hide the Koran from non-Muslims.
> Either he is mentally-challenged
I am often made crazy by insane things
(like Islam). I'll give you that one.
> or a yokel who
> stares the mathematics confronting his
> position with a fool's disdain.
I stole that disdain from him, basically,
because... he was obviously a fool (it would
have been very difficult to steal it from a
wiseguy). Don't you agree?
> Even if *all* his accusations had some
> basis in reality (which
> is not the case,
Your case might have been stronger had,
instead of merely insulting me, you would
have countered the facts I stated in my
post with some substantial lies or other
(preferably funny lies, as I like to laugh).
> indeed, all are gross caricatures
> of Moslems and
Muslims are caricatures of human beings:
I'm glad your subconscious acknowledges
that indisputable fact.
> Islam); they pale in comparison to the
> warring, the murdering, the
> raping, the pillaging, the crimes of
> humanity,
Ah! Your defense of Islam is "since every-
body else does it, why call Islam on it!"
Thank you for subconscious/unconsciously
acknowledging Islam is as rotten/scummy
as I pointed out it is. Your cooperation is
greatly appreciated (probably not by Muslims).
And here I thought for sure you were going
to say something mildly anti-Semitic! Well,
you certainly had me fooled. [sarcasm]
> Getting back to this SD Rodrian
Could there possibly be another one?!?!
> ... ask him about his origins.
I don't boast about my origins but as long as
you'd like to examine them you're in luck, I
recently had my DNA tested and here are the
results (you can now call me on them):
Country/Matches/Comment/TotalSample%
Algeria 1 - 1 62 N/A
Australia 5 - 5 132 3.8%
Austria 5 - 6 542 1.1%
1 Styria
Bahamas 1 - 1 85 N/A
Belarus 2 - 2 593 0.3%
Belgium 17 - 17 458 3.7%
Bermuda 1 - 1 4 N/A
Bolivia 1 - 1 10 N/A
Brazil 3 - 3 43 N/A
Bulgaria 1 - 1 132 0.8%
Canada 4 - 6 224 2.7%
1 French
1 MDKO: Canada
Croatia 1 - 1 195 0.5%
Cuba 2 - 3 74 N/A
1 MDKO: Cuba
Czech 9 - 10 610 1.6%
1 Czechoslovakia
Denmark 18 - 18 746 2.4%
Ecuador 1 - 1 17 N/A
England 859 - 861 21,321 4.0%
1 MDKO: Canada
1 Saxony
Ethiopia 1 - 1 28 N/A
Finland 3 - 3 1,525 0.2%
France 135 - 136 2,976 4.6%
1 Alsace
Germany 292 - 301 10,826 2.8%
1 Ashkenazi
1 Bavaria
1 Beindersheim, Pfaltz
1 Hesse
1 Lower Saxony
1 Prussia
1 Rhineland-Palatinate
1 Saarland
1 Wurttenburg
Greece 2 - 2 637 0.3%
Guyana 1 - 1 11 N/A
Hungary 6 - 6 1,023 0.6%
Iceland 4 - 4 144 2.8%
India 1 - 1 1,236 0.1%
Iran 1 - 1 231 0.4%
Iraq 1 - 1 79 N/A
Ireland 798 - 800 12,433 6.4%
1 Galway
1 Great Britain
Italy 40 - 49 3,078 1.6%
2 Lombardy
1 Marche
1 Northern
1 Piemonte
4 Sicily
Jamaica 1 - 1 43 N/A
Lithuania 1 - 3 888 0.3%
2 Ashkenazi
Luxembrg 1 - 1 49 N/A
Mexico 10 - 12 666 1.8%
2 MDKO: Mexico
Netherlnds 43 - 44 1,502 2.9%
1 Holland
N Zealand 2 - 2 45 N/A
No Ireland 28 - 28 648 4.3%
Norway 33 - 33 1,195 2.8%
Poland 13 - 17 3,233 0.5%
1 Ashkenazi
1 Pomeranian Voivodeship
2 Prussia
Portugal 13 - 15 700 2.1%
1 Azores
1 Sephardic
Puerto Rico 3 - 3 181 1.7%
Russ Fed 8 - 13 2,724 0.5%
3 Ashkenazi
2 Native Siberian
Scotland 535 - 537 9,981 5.4%
1 Orkney Islands
1 Shetland
Slovakia 2 - 2 460 0.4%
Slovenia 1 - 1 131 0.8%
Spain 119 - 128 3,047 4.2%
1 Basque
4 Canary Islands
3 MDKO: Mexico
1 MDKO: Puerto Rico
Sweden 42 - 43 1,468 2.9%
1 Scandinavia
Switzerlnd 61 - 66 1,587 4.2%
1 Aargau
1 Bern
1 Möhlin
1 St. Gallen
1 Zurich
Ukraine 3 - 8 1,366 0.6%
5 Ashkenazi
Un Kingdm 360 - 409 9,471 4.3%
42 Great Britain
7 Shetland Islands
US 6 - 6 898 0.7%
Wales 80 - 80 1,799 4.4%
Yemen 1 - 1 86 N/A
Except for one German great-grandfather
(who, as you can see wasn't much Ashkenazi)
I'm pretty much a Western European mongrel.
> Being the shameless propagandist that
> he is, my best intuition tells me
> that he is a myrmidon of the bankster
> class. To be sure, righteous Jews
> and righteous Ashkenazis form the vast
> majority of their respective
> groupings; and many Ashkenazis are,
> indeed, righteous practicing Jews.
I do have some Ashkenazi matches, but this
might be that the Ashkenazis in the sampling
match me (as there are so few of them): A
couple of Ashkenazis here & there merely
mean "they" probably had a lot of European
DNA and not that the Europeans had lots of
Ashkenazi DNA.] Your racial theory doesn't
hold. Sorry! Also: No Chinese, Japanese, or
Martians, for some reason... I enjoy your
anti-Semitism almost as much as you do,
just for different reasons.
> Having said that, the bankster class is thick
> with mendacious Ashkenazis
> and phony Jews (e.g. the Zionists aka
> False Flag Jews). SD Rodrian is a Zionist.
> He is no righteous Jew. And he is no
> righteous Ashkenazi. He is what he is
> ... a propaganda peddler. Uncle Zook
Well, I know what I am (see DNA sampling
above). And you know what you are (as we
now all know)... And you didn't even have to
have your DNA sampled!
S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
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All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
RE:
GO TO http://islamisbad.com before it's too late.
There you will find all you need to know about
the Evil that is Islam, both historically and in
the modern world. And you won't have to wrack
your brain over why GOD should command war,
death, torture, and rape, genocide, and terror
against human beings (as Mohammed said He did).
Muslims are today engaged in a great battle
throughout the West (to try to extinguish
freedom of expression/freedom of the press)
specifically designed to keep YOU from having
access to the relevant deadly facts about Islam.
Some skirmishes they have lost, but some other
skirmishes they have definitely won (as shown in
the --March 30, 2007-- Reuters report above).
But make no mistake about this: their aim is above
all to stifle YOUR right to hold an open debate on
the merits/demerits of Islam because they KNOW
they can not win such a debate. The bastards will
claim an article like this one as "an example of the
defamation of Islam" TO WESTERNERS ... but they
will NEVER print this article in any Muslim country's
newspaper to show their own peoples an example of
such a "defamation" because an article like this one
would inform ordinary Muslims on the true nature
of Islam (if it were lies they would be only too eager
to print it everywhere). And Muslim populations are
all kept horrifically ill informed on the true
historical and moral vileness that is Islam: Evil
depends on lies. And they all know that Islam can
not survive the light of TRUTH being turned on it
--from ANY direction.
It shall be most interesting to see whether human
civilization survives or is eventually subsumed and
destroyed as thoroughly as all those once great
and mighty civilizations which once thrived (where
now only the devastation in which most Muslims
live exists). Compare the wealthy Taiwanese with
the many & many beggar peoples of Islamic countries.
I suspect it shall come down to whether we insist
that the truth is infinitely more important than any
hurt feelings, or we permit lies to go unchallenged
just to spare the liars.
S D Rodrian
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Muslims Demand Islamic School Holidays
in New York City...
I say give Muslims the holidays they want;
SURPRISE!
Bell~!
S D Rodrian
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http://music.sdrodrian.com
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bv wrote:
You do not know about Islam !.....
If you want to know about Islam,
please visit the following websites:
http://bugsbunny.com
http://UGH.com
http://elbigzapato.com
http://daffyduck.com
http://aguacate.org
http://twoeyedtosee.com
http://imfullofit.com
http://stoolsforfools.org
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
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wrote: Mosques and Islam 'not going away'
That's quite true: They had to be stopped
once by all the military might that Europe
could muster. What I see happening in
Europe now, I'm sorry to say, is what must
have happened in the once Christian 'fertile
crescent' civilizations of the Middle East:
Places that were perhaps too powerful for
Islam to confront head-on were gradually
strangled by Muslim immigration until one
day the peoples of the Middle East woke up
to discovered that they had been taken
over by Islam... body & soul.
I don't see the will in Europe (or America)
today for standing up against this gradual
strangulation by Islam. Therefore I must
regretfully conclude that it's only a matter
of time before all of Western Civilization
is consumed by sharia and goes the way of
the ancient Christian civilizations that once
thrived in what is now the unending Islamic
slum of the Middle East.
The only good thing in all this is that
I am an old man, and I will not have to
watch the incalculable treasures of my
Western Civilization [of art, philosophy,
poetry, music, science, of democracy...
and that free exercise of will that has
produced such unparalleled human
achievements] all, all being burned to
oblivion for their imagined affront to
some stupid desert god (by the frenzied
shamans of a sadistic cult) in bonfires
of their incomprehensible superstition.
S D Rodrian
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'Will Muslims impose Shariah?'
You don't have to wonder like a dope about
this: Muslims have imposed Sharia everywhere
they are the majority population (except
where there are violent conflicts trying to
prevent it, as in the Southern Sudan).
[Exceptions like Egypt and Turkey are/were
military dictatorships which are under great
pressure from Islamist to impose Sharia.]
Just take the time to look at what's happening
in Thailand and Indonesia, where Islam is
a recent import: Read of the injustices, crimes,
and wrongs which Muslims are imposing on
non-Muslims as their numbers have taken
over the population. Soon those two countries
will look like Syria and Iraq. And that is the
way it has always been everywhere Islam
has become the majority religion, and that
is the way Islam will be everywhere it
becomes the majority religion. If that
happens here it will either be Sharia or
the Constitution, because the civil rights
which are such a second nature to us
that they seem to be as much ours as
the right to breathe... and all the other
"constitutional guarantees" we have come
to enjoy in this country are absolutely
incompatible with Sharia and and unheard
of anywhere where Sharia is the law of the
land. Look it up: The answer is obvious.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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jc wrote:
> You've apparently never read the Bible,
> have you?
> Where do you want me to start? Killing?
> Rape? Murder of infidels?
> -jc
I'm afraid it is you who has self-evidently
never read the Bible: In the Bible God
commands the Hebrews to perform some
heinous actions indeed; but God never
commands them to be heinous forever.
The Koran, on the other hand, commands
Muslims to be butchers, murderers, rapists,
and thieves then, now, and forever. That's
the whole problem right there, you see.
[Or probably not.] But... that's why the
peoples of the Bible have "gotten over it"
and why the Muslims have been heinous
ever since Mohammed taught them to be
as heinous as himself, with no end in sight.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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ljsprojects (t.schmidt.te...@gmail.com) wrote:
> These WebTV people are a good example
> of the thieving, exhausting, evil Catholicism.
> Don't believe anything they say, they are evil
> and sow terror and hate.
> They must be Zionists. --T.Schmidt
In fact: Don't believe anything people say:
Not a one! Believe only what you see: You
see Catholic terrorism? You see the murders
caused by Baptist suicide bombers? You see
the butchery of the Buddhist assassins...?
Ah! Then you see everything.
The thieving, evil, & exhausting,
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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The Christians and The Jews...
One of the old predictions concerning the Messiah
is that he would raise a mighty power among the
gentiles and that this mighty power would found
Israel and make her invulnerable to her enemies.
Well, it was not so much ben-Gurion and a handful
of dusty Jewish irregulars who founded Israel but
Harry Truman, who in spite of the anti-Semitism of
his own cabinet, Pentagon, and State Department
(the American Ambassador to the U.N. made a
speech there against recognizing Israel just before
Truman cast America's vote to recognize the state
of Israel!), and the impressive opposition in the
U.N. by the petro-Arabs and their allies... Harry
Truman decided, almost exclusively due to his own
Christian beliefs, that God wanted him to push the
creation of the state of Israel: Which he proceeded
to do, and then made the U.S. the first country to
officially recognize the new state of Israel. Can't
imagine the anti-Semitic Nixon doing that (and yet
it was this same Nixon who proceeded to "save"
Israel during the six-day war!). Are there not
miracles in the world for those with eyes to see
them? Christians or Jews...
The relation between the Christians and the Jews
is a two-way historical inevitability: There can be
no Christians without there first having been Jews,
and there might not be (rabbinical) Jews today
without Christian intervention. [The notion that the
Nazis were "Christians" is as obnoxiously idiotic
as the idea of Hitler pondering the invasion of
Poland with... "Ja, now, what would Jesus do...?"]
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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Religious liberty should prevail
near Ground Zero? Try:
That's not where any question has
to be asked about religious liberty
needing to prevail: Where religious
liberty REALLY needs to prevail is
in Saudi Arabia and all the other
Islamic nations in which it is ILLEGAL
to practice Christianity or where
Christians are murdered in the street
every day with complete impunity
day after day after day.
Qatari Ghanim al-Naimi said the right
to build mosques anywhere in the world
should be guaranteed.
How about the right to build churches
anywhere om the world--should that also
be guaranteed? Then how about talking
to the Saudis and others who have made
it illegal to build a church ANYWHERE
in their countries...
Try, just try to bring your Bible into
Saudi Arabia, a country for which
Americans shed their blood: You'll be
lucky if you get out of it without
some serious prison time (unless
you're Jimmy Carter or some other
such really fat ass and don't mind
that only fat asses like yourself are
the sole Christians able to escape
the Sharia law brutalizing all human
rights there).
Trust me on this: There's no need to
debate whether anyone needs religious
liberty ANYWHERE in New York City.
Just don't build a monument to Islam
on the graves of Islam's victims: Is
that too much to ask for the murdered
of 9/11? Do you also have to insult
the memory of the murdered by having
an objection to their graves being
desecrated declared religious bigotry?
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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NY cab driver SEZ he was stabbed by a guy
after he told him he was Muslim...
Wow! One mentally unbalanced guy stabs
a Muslim because of Islam and it's PAGE
ONE: But, seriously,
When's the last time anyone read on ANY
page hereabouts anything concerning the
ongoing Muslim genocides? Because, baby,
everywhere there are Muslims on this earth
they are engaged in butchering scores of
non-Muslims, or murdering other Muslims
not members of their own sect. So, where
is the ongoing PAGE ONE scores & scores
on that one?
When's the last time anyone heard the
unending onslaught of Muslims killing
Muslims in Iraq, Pakistan, and elsewhere
BECAUSE the murdered were not
members of the murderers' particular
Islamic cult called what it is: inspired
by Islam rather than "civil strife" as if
it were a dispute over workers' comp?!
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
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Rabbi Brad Hirschfield wrote: "Please stop
the Nazi comparisons"
If we can not compare something to something
else, how are we going to measure anything?!?
How are we ever going to compare the Islamic
Genocide which has been going on for 1,600
years and has claimed the lives of hundreds
of millions of innocents if we do not compare
it to the worse Genocide in our immediate
experience? To which other genocide are we
supposed to compare the Islamic Genocide?
It is the most monstrous and unimaginably
immense Genocide in all human history, and
a comparison to the Genocide of the Nazis is
about the only thing which can really put its
terrible immensity in perspective. What else
can one to compare it to, a duck run over by
a truck?!?
Instead of trying to thwart our understanding
of exactly how monstrous the Islamic Genocide
is (by such cheap tricks as trying to prevent its
comparison to the Nazi Genocide)... we should
instead be expending our efforts trying to explain
how otherwise perfectly "normal" human beings
can engage in such unimaginable murder and
brutality... and in trying to find ways to prevent
genocide in the future.
And begin right here: Everywhere on this earth
Muslim youth are taught practically from the day
they are born that every word in the Koran is
the indisputable sacred word of God, that the
commandments of God were conveyed by the
angel Gabriel to Mohammed and set down into
the Koran without one single error in its
transmission: every word. Islamic "scholars"
have even produced "proofs" that the Koran is
a mathematically perfect algorithm whose every
part "proves" the "truth" of every other part!!!
Under these circumstances what do you suppose
will happen when "good, pious" Muslim youths
who wish to get closer to their "religion" come
across passages in the Koran such as these:
Qur'an 8.1 "They ask you about the benefits
of capturing the spoils of war. Tell them: ‘The
benefits belong to Allah and to His Messenger.'
So fulfill your duty to Allah and the Prophet."
Qur'an 8.5 "Your Lord sent you from your
homes to fight for the true cause." Qur'an 8.7
"Allah wished to confirm the truth by His
words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an 8.12 "I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.
Qur'an 8.15 "Believers, when you meet the
unbelievers in battle, do not turn your back
on them for any Muslim who retreats will
bring the wrath of Allah on himself and will
abide in Hell." Qur'an 8.72 "Those who
accepted Islam and left their homes to fight
in Allah's Cause with their possessions and
persons, and those who gave them shelter
and aided them are your allies. You are
only called to protect Muslims who fight."
Qur'an 8.73 "The infidels aid one another.
Unless you do the same there will be
anarchy in the land. Those who accepted
Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah's
Cause are good Muslims." Qur'an 8.57 "If
you meet them in battle, inflict on them
such a defeat as would be a lesson for
those who come after them, that they may
be warned." Qur'an 8.59 "The infidels
should not think that they can get away
from us. Prepare against them whatever
arms and weaponry you can muster so
that you may terrorize them. They are
your enemy and Allah's enemy." Qur'an
8.71 "He will give you mastery over them."
Qur'an 8.39 " So, fight them till all
opposition ends and the only religion is
Islam."
Please explain to me and to everyone else in
this world (most especially of all the victims
of Islamic butchery) how any "good, pious"
Muslim youth can avoid becoming convinced
that God commands him to become a terrorist
of Islam's enemies once he comes across
such passages in a Koran he has all his life
been taught every last word of it (without
a single exception) is the express demands
& orders of God?!? Because I don't know.
But now you know that when some Western
patsy, apologist, or enabler of Islamic genocide
tells you Osama bin Laden is a crazy extremist
who "perverts and misinterprets Islam" (and
that Islam is really all about "love and peace"):
they are lying to you, and they are setting you
up for ruin, enslavement, death, and worse.
S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
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[A couple of Christians Fundamentalists
called for a "Burn The Quran Day" and the
Washington Post chided Christianity itself
for demanding Muslims stop their genocide
but not demanding that the Quran be
respected by all Christians as a holy book!]
Yeah! The darn poor Muslims are expected to
denounce the mass-murder, brutality, human
slavery, robbing, and raping they've been
engaging in unrelentingly for the past 1600
years AND are engaging in all over the world
today... while those evil Christians get a pass
on their flaming book burning! Outrageous!
Quick, some enabler of Islamic genocide:
write a column! [sarcasm 101]
"Among Muslims there are emerging
efforts beyond press releases to engage
Islamist fanatics and Muslims, especially
young Muslims, at risk of radicalization."
Why don't you try engaging all Muslims world-
wide, because there is nowhere in this planet
earth a place where there are Muslims and
Muslims are not engaged in brutalizing, abusing,
murdering, intimidating and/or harassing [etc.]
non-Muslims (and even other Muslims where
there is a scarcity of non-Muslims available
because they've butchered all there once were):
From the United States, Egypt, Africa, Asia,
Europe, Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan,
Iraq, Bali, you name it. Could this just merely
be a coincidence? Or is it not more likely two
indisputable FACTS tragically coming together:
ONE: The Koran is a war-mongering
document created by a despicable and
murderous highwayman for the purpose
of inspiring his gang of cutthroats to
their loathsome vocation religiously.
And,
TWO: There are NO MUSLIMS anywhere
in the world willing to or capable (for fear
of being butchered by their fellow-Muslims)
of denouncing the monstrosities which lurk
in the Koran and every now and again inspire
Muslims who venture to take as a religion the
unimaginable atrocities it enshrines: NONE.
Ask the Muslims you know to please condemn
NOT the Quran itself and all it says BUT only
those portions of it that command Muslims to
"put terror into the hearts of non-Muslims" and
see if they are brave/decent enough to do it.
The Islamic genocides will go on & on until
such time as the world, and specifically Muslims
themselves place their own humanity above
the inhuman outrages of the Quran and at last
denounce it for the rank evil it undeniably is.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
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I am not all that sure that to the apologists
for Islam it would much matter if Feisal Abdul
Rauf [the really creepy Muslim imam behind
the New York mosque] had funded the 9/11
attacks. Just as it doesn't much matter to
them now that Islam is CLEARLY the ONLY
justification for them.
Why they appear to be so convinced that
"Islam means Peace," or that Islam is as
innocuous a "religion" as Buddhism, when
the truth against this is so impossible to
avoid ... cries out for some psychological
explanation (since there doesn't seem to
be any evidence that Saudi Arabia or some
other such nefarious entity is suborning
most of them).
What is unclear to me is how then Nazism
is indicted as the cause of what a handful
of Nazi extremists did back in the 30s & 40s.
After all, read the Koran and it as clearly
advocates the murder of non-Muslims as
Mein Kampf advocates the murder of Jews
(and perhaps even more explicitly). What
would people think if they had to listen to
a continuous litany about how "only 18 or
28 (tops)" Nazis were really responsible
for the Holocaust, and that "most Nazis"
were really decent, honorable citizens of
the world? Have they not the Constitutional
right to build their beerhalls where they
wish!?
Certainly history provides us with many
more incidents of much greater Islamic
genocides than it ever does of the infamous
Nazi one (there's one region in India alone
where Muslims butchered as many as, yes:
60,000,000 Hindus. And it's not as if Muslims
themselves are trying to hide all this horror,
either (except for the Turks trying to deny
the Armenian Genocide): There are many
places in Afghanistan and Pakistan named
Hindu-kush-something to this day... or, the
place where the Hindus were slaughtered).
Entire cities of many millions of souls in
the Indian subcontinent were butchered
without mercy down to the last man, woman,
and child by the Muslims in their heyday of
Islamic conquest. But I imagine that's far
too distant in the past for all those victims
of Islamic genocide to be of much relevance
to the present day liberals & defenders of
religious freedom hollering: Long live the
freedom of Muslims to continue to practice
their "religion!" forever as ever they've done!
I'll just go hide under my bed now.
S D Rodrian
http://poems.sdrodrian.com
http://physics.sdrodrian.com
http://music.sdrodrian.com
http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
*us*
>Christians ...
The history of Christianity is
rife with violent atrocities.
The Old Man
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT), SD <Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
> >Christians ...
>
> The history of Christianity is
> rife with violent atrocities.
True, but we try to appologize for our mistakes. Moslims revel in them.
*us*
>On Sep 6, 6:26 am, * US * wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT), SD <Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
>> >Christians ...
>>
>> The history of Christianity is
>> rife with violent atrocities.
>
>True, but we try to appologize [sic] for our mistakes.
Do you?
How about you go to Iraq
and apologize for the way
born-again Bush had so
many innocents killed
there for no reason.
Then make that claim.
> Moslims [sic]
You don't know anything
about them, do you.
The Old Man
> On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 05:29:32 -0700 (PDT), The Old Man <Braung...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sep 6, 6:26 am, * US * wrote:
> >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT), SD <Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
> >> >Christians ...
>
> >> The history of Christianity is
> >> rife with violent atrocities.
>
> >True, but we try to appologize [sic] for our mistakes.
>
> Do you?
>
> How about you go to Iraq
> and apologize for the way
> born-again Bush had so
> many innocents killed
> there for no reason.
I can't because I don't represent the government. I DO bitterly regret
our involvement anywhere in the Middle East with any of those losers.
But it was all about the oil and the profits of war.
> > Moslims [sic]
>
> You don't know anything
> about them, do you.
I know more about them than I care to. I saw a former best friend who
became a Moslim deliberately try to ruin the lives of several former
friends (mine included) for no other reason that that we were
"infidals" and he had the right to do as he pleased with us. His
Turkish wife laughed when I confronted him with the evidence that I
had put together, telling me that I was "less than nothing" because I
didn't believe as THEY did. That was the last time that I ever spoke
to either. And I am dropping this converstaion as well. Enjoy your
"religion"; after we both cross the western gate, we'll both know who
was right and who was wrong. Have a good life.
<<<PLONK>>>
Bradipus
"All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and must never be
accepted by self-respecting persons as final."
-- Hypatia of Alexandria
--
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SD
in Florida to curtail their Constitutional right to
freedom of expression here in America (as the
Taliban and other Islamists are demanding)
because it might damage the war effort!
Well, if "winning the war" requires that we
tear up our Constitution (and that America's
Constitutional rights to freedom of expression
be curtailed)... then I say it's far, far better
that the war itself be curtailed & the troops
finally brought home:
What are we doing still in Afghanistan?!?
There are no American troops in Pakistan
and yet not only are most of our enemies
there, but America is involved in striking at
them where they are (and rather effectively):
That is a rather persuasive argument for no
troops being required to fight our enemies
in Afghanistan itself--And if you look closely
at what American troops are fighting for &
dying for in Afghanistan... you will realize
that they are there protecting one of the
most corrupt regimes on this planet, and
a regime which were it not because of all
the foreign troops there now would now
be either our enemy itself, or an ally of our
Taliban & al-Qaida enemies... exactly as
they will be immediately after our troops
pull out anyway, no matter when they pull
out. So the sooner they pull out the better.
And for those who, perhaps having lost
a beloved family member in this war, now
may believe that the best way for them
not to have "died in vain" is for this war
to continue... let me just say that it is
never the nature of the war in which they
die that makes their ultimate sacrifice
worthwhile but the fact that they nobly
answered their country's call: One of
the critical factors that makes a nation
great is indeed its citizenry's willingness
to give even their lives for her without
question. What greater call can there be
for a citizen of the United States than
to fight to make his country great? Not
everyone has the courage or principles
to answer the call--those who do form
the thin line that defines the nation.
And, without regard to which battle they
fought in... every ultimate sacrifice by
an American serviceman has undeniably
made this country the great nation it is.
S D Rodrian
http://sdrodrian.com
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On Aug 22, 2:52 pm, rfisc...@sonic.net
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
> It's amusing how Christians claim to be
> better because they ignore
> most of their Holy Book.
>
> If a man commits adultery with
> another man's wife - with the
> wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer
> and the adulteress
> must be put to death.
> Lev 20:9
> Ray Fischer rfisc...@sonic.net
Yes! It is true, Ray: Christians ARE better
because they now ignore barbarities of
2000 years ago even if ancient barbarians
who wrote the bible told everyone it was
"the word of God." And Muslims are worse
BECAUSE they are still, to this very day,
the same mind-numbing barbarians as
the mind-numbing barbarians who wrote
the Koran. You are a perceptive Muslim!
SDR
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What are the consequences for America
if those evangelicals burn the Koran?
Well, Voltaire once said: "I do not agree
with what you have to say, but I'll defend
to the death your right to say it." An if a
Frenchie (!) can lay his life on the line
like that for freedom of expression...
don't you thank that a people like us
(who have freedom of expression
guaranteed in our American Constitution)
can go the extra mile and abide a few
books being burned by some private
citizens (the book-burning is not being
proposed by the Congress, you know)?
S D Rodrian
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On Aug 27, 2:39 pm, "Sanders Kaufman"
<bu...@kaufman.net> wrote: "SD"
<Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
> > You're going to have to explain how
>
> No, he will not.
> Noone has to explain your bigotry to you.
> Furthermore, since bigotry is based in
> extreme ignorance, it's pointless to try.
Well, you're still going to have to explain
(even if only to yourself) how simply stating
the indisputable facts is bigotry. If a man
states that 2 plus 2 equals 4 you will ALWAYS
and forever be required to explain how that
makes him a bigot, were you to call him a
bigot for merely stating an indisputable fact
as you have done to me here.
And, you will also have to explain the ignorance
of a chap like Sir Winston Churchill for writing:
How dreadful are the curses which
Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is
as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic
apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries.
Improvident habits, slovenly systems of
agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce,
and insecurity of property exist wherever
the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its
grace and refinement; the next of its dignity
and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan
law every woman must belong to some man
as his absolute property, either as a child, a
wife, or a concubine, must delay the final
extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam
has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities,
but the influence of the religion paralyses the
social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.
Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is
a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already
spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless
warriors at every step; and were it not that
Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of
science, the science against which it had vainly
struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might
fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first
edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London:
Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).
Or perhaps you might but look with your own eyes
upon the catastrophe (world wide) that Islam has
brought down upon the lives of the Muslims and
all their neighbors. And then you might come to
understand that Churchill, as both politician and
historian, was obviously trying to be civil/diplomatic
in his studied assessment of the dreadful cult of
death, conquest, and destruction that is Islam.
You have to understand that one of the principal
reasons Islam is not wracked by internal revolts
against its disastrous brutality, cruelty, and
homicidal destructiveness is because most Muslims
worldwide are kept from considering how bad they
have it by the most sinister mind-control system
ever devised to keep people from thinking for
themselves: Most Muslims really believe that their
atrociously horrendous existence is ordained by
God from above and is the direct fault of their
neighboring non-Muslims here below!
S D Rodrian
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RE:
> Either he is mentally-challenged
Nethrlnds 43 - 44 1,502 2.9%
1 Holland
N Zealnd 2 - 2 45 N/A
No Irelnd 28 - 28 648 4.3%
Norway 33 - 33 1,195 2.8%
Poland 13 - 17 3,233 0.5%
1 Ashkenazi
1 Pomeranian Voivodeship
2 Prussia
Portugal 13 - 15 700 2.1%
1 Azores
1 Sephardic
Puert Rico 3 - 3 181 1.7%
Russ Fed 8 - 13 2,724 0.5%
3 Ashkenazi
2 Native Siberian
Scotland 535 - 537 9,981 5.4%
1 Orkney Islands
1 Shetland
Slovakia 2 - 2 460 0.4%
Slovenia 1 - 1 131 0.8%
Spain 119 - 128 3,047 4.2%
1 Basque
4 Canary Islands
3 MDKO: Mexico
1 MDKO: Puerto Rico
Sweden 42 - 43 1,468 2.9%
1 Scandinavia
Switzrlnd 61 - 66 1,587 4.2%
1 Aargau
1 Bern
1 Möhlin
1 St. Gallen
1 Zurich
Ukraine 3 - 8 1,366 0.6%
5 Ashkenazi
UnKngdm360 - 409 9,471 4.3%
S D Rodrian
All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
RE:
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SURPRISE!
Bell~!
S D Rodrian
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bv wrote:
You do not know about Islam !.....
If you want to know about Islam,
please visit the following websites:
http://bugsbunny.com
http://UGH.com
http://elbigzapato.com
http://daffyduck.com
http://aguacate.org
http://twoeyedtosee.com
http://imfullofit.com
http://stoolsforfools.org
S D Rodrian
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purple
What kind of an upside world is that?
Up yours, you lying Pakistani.
*us*
>On Sep 7, 5:55 am, * US * wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 05:29:32 -0700 (PDT), The Old Man <Braung...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 6, 6:26 am, * US * wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT), SD <Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
>> >> >Christians ...
>>
>> >> The history of Christianity is
>> >> rife with violent atrocities.
>>
>> >True, but we try to appologize [sic] for our mistakes.
>>
>> Do you?
>>
>> How about you go to Iraq
>> and apologize for the way
>> born-again Bush had so
>> many innocents killed
>> there for no reason.
>
>I can't because I don't represent the government.
You're supposed to be the government.
Do you want to kneel before a king
with divine right, or something?
>I DO bitterly regret
>our involvement anywhere in the Middle East with any of those losers.
The real losers are the American
taxpayers, robbed by neocons.
>But it was all about the oil and the profits of war.
True.
>> > Moslims [sic]
>>
>> You don't know anything
>> about them, do you.
>
>I know more about them than I care to.
You know that millions of them have been
harmed by the traitor war profiteer neocons.
Do you expect them to be grateful for it?
>I saw a former best friend who
>became a Moslim deliberately try to ruin the lives of several former
>friends
One biased anecdote? Not good enough.
>...I am dropping this converstaion [sic]
You hadn't held up your end of it anyway.
>...Enjoy your
>"religion";
I needn't have one to point out that the
demonization of Muslims isn't right.
Run along, now, bigot.
Don't you have some Qu'rans to burn?
*us*
>It is OK to burn US flags but not a Koran?
You're merely burning a straw man.
You'd have supported burning Talmuds
during the Third Reich.
>Up yours, you lying Pakistani.
You seem entirely confused.
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 04:51:08 -0700 (PDT), The Old Man <Brau...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Sep 7, 5:55 am, * US * wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 05:29:32 -0700 (PDT), The Old Man <Braung...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sep 6, 6:26 am, * US * wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:57:15 -0700 (PDT), SD <Rodr...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
>> >> >Christians ...
>>
>> >> The history of Christianity is
>> >> rife with violent atrocities.
>>
>> >True, but we try to appologize [sic] for our mistakes.
>>
>> Do you?
>>
>> How about you go to Iraq
>> and apologize for the way
>> born-again Bush had so
>> many innocents killed
>> there for no reason.
>
>I can't because I don't represent the government.
You're supposed to be the government.
Do you want to kneel before a king
with divine right, or something?
>I DO bitterly regret
>our involvement anywhere in the Middle East with any of those losers.
The real losers are the American
taxpayers, robbed by neocons.
>But it was all about the oil and the profits of war.
True.
>> > Moslims [sic]
>>
>> You don't know anything
>> about them, do you.
>
zookumar yelubandi
> On Aug 18, 11:07 am, zookumar yelubandi <zooku...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > SD wrote [see my post below]:
> >
> > This propagandameister ... well,
> > meister implies mastery...
> > let's say peddler ... rails against the
> > chosen religion of 25% of the
> > world's population.
>
> Well, history records that Islam is not now
> nor has it ever been a "religion" strictly
> spread on its merits, but has always been
> spread by the sword, fear, and intimidation.
> And, in fact, Muslims are rather proud of this
> gruesome fact. There's no controversy there.
> Christians, on the other hand, call their bible
> the Gospels ("the good word") and are more
> than glad to have everyone read it. Muslims
> call their cult Islam ("Submit!" as in "or else!").
> And now you know why the Koran itself advises
> Muslims to hide the Koran from non-Muslims.
There's no stop-button on your Propaganda Pram is there?
Christian Crusades. 'Nuff said.
> > Either he is mentally-challenged
> I am often made crazy by insane things
> (like Islam). I'll give you that one.
Thanks, but I *took* that one from you.
> > or a yokel who
> > stares the mathematics confronting his
> > position with a fool's disdain.
> I stole that disdain from him, basically,
> because... he was obviously a fool (it would
> have been very difficult to steal it from a
> wiseguy). Don't you agree?
Trivially amusing, your penchant for the trivial.
> > Even if *all* his accusations had some
> > basis in reality (which
> > is not the case,
> Your case might have been stronger had,
> instead of merely insulting me, you would
> have countered the facts I stated in my
> post with some substantial lies or other
> (preferably funny lies, as I like to laugh).
My case might have been stronger had I countered with
substantial lies?? I guess for a false flag mindset like yourself,
there's a bit of truth in what you say.
> > indeed, all are gross caricatures
> > of Moslems and
> Muslims are caricatures of human beings:
> I'm glad your subconscious acknowledges
> that indisputable fact.
This, from a titwit who likes tossing charges of anti-Semitism
as if it were salad. Of course, antiSemitism is a shibboleth that is
hurled for effect whereas antiMuslim is an instance of xenophobia.
> > Islam); they pale in comparison to the
> > warring, the murdering, the
> > raping, the pillaging, the crimes of
> > humanity,
> Ah! Your defense of Islam is "since every-
> body else does it, why call Islam on it!"
Not at all. I've no defense of (or offense against) Islam.
I merely (and rightfully) offend those who actually promulgate the
culture of lying and warring. A strong case can be made for your roots
in that culture.
> Thank you for subconscious/unconsciously
> acknowledging Islam is as rotten/scummy
> as I pointed out it is. Your cooperation is
> greatly appreciated (probably not by Muslims).
I seek truths. Whoever offends truth shall hear from me be it
Muslims, Zionists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. ... will be offended
by me.
Khazars/Ashkenazis are not a Semitic peoples. Therefore, an
offense against Khazars/Ashkenazis is not an offense against Semites,
i.e. not antiSemitic. See how logic flows? Btw, I'd junk that
sarcasm-meter of yours. It's broke.
> > Getting back to this SD Rodrian
> Could there possibly be another one?!?!
We're thankful for the one ... and really, really thankful that
there's just the one.
> > ... ask him about his origins.
> I don't boast about my origins but as long as
> you'd like to examine them you're in luck, I
> recently had my DNA tested and here are the
> results (you can now call me on them):
All I want to know is your cultural identity, you know,
where were you born? What is your religion? But let's cut to the chase
.. are you now or ever have been a Zionist or Zionist associate?
If it feels like an inquisition, it is. But then, you started this by
making broadbrush statements against Muslims. Methinks you earned your
inquisition.
Me? I was brought up in a Hindu family. I was born in India.
I respect all peoples and all religions, though I practice no religion.
I believe in spirituality and a direct relation with our Creator. I
don't subscribe to the notion that spirituality is best filtered/managed
by intermediaries, e.g. by a priesthood class.
Mongrel? Perhaps. But I'm not interested in your genetic
profile (assuming that the above is a valid profile ... I mean, it seems
incredible that such detailed DNA analytical techiques would be
avaliable to the average consuming Joe or Jimmy, much less a
stupendously ridiculous Rodrian).
> > Being the shameless propagandist that
> > he is, my best intuition tells me
> > that he is a myrmidon of the bankster
> > class. To be sure, righteous Jews
> > and righteous Ashkenazis form the vast
> > majority of their respective
> > groupings; and many Ashkenazis are,
> > indeed, righteous practicing Jews.
> I do have some Ashkenazi matches, but this
> might be that the Ashkenazis in the sampling
> match me (as there are so few of them): A
> couple of Ashkenazis here & there merely
> mean "they" probably had a lot of European
> DNA and not that the Europeans had lots of
> Ashkenazi DNA.] Your racial theory doesn't
> hold. Sorry! Also: No Chinese, Japanese, or
> Martians, for some reason... I enjoy your
> anti-Semitism almost as much as you do,
> just for different reasons.
Another instance of the "antiSemitism" shibboleth. Repeat it
loud and repeat it in refrain, and those of legerdebrain will fall for
it time and again.
> > Having said that, the bankster class is thick
> > with mendacious Ashkenazis
> > and phony Jews (e.g. the Zionists aka
> > False Flag Jews). SD Rodrian is a Zionist.
> > He is no righteous Jew. And he is no
> > righteous Ashkenazi. He is what he is
> > ... a propaganda peddler. Uncle Zook
> Well, I know what I am (see DNA sampling
> above). And you know what you are (as we
> now all know)
Hey, truthseeking may not be coded into your molecules, but some
of us can't help it.
> ... And you didn't even have to
> have your DNA sampled!
> S D Rodrian
> http://sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3.sdrodrian.com
> http://caruso.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
[deletia: much drivel from the stupendously ridiculous rodrian)
cheers
Uncle Zook
Aardvark
wrote:
> American Muslims today occupy the same
> role as the Japanese Americans
> during W.W. II. > David H
> ~~~~~~
Actually, the Japanese were real/actual victims
of American racism: The Italian-Americans
and the German-Americans were not interned
in camps "for their own protection." NOTE:
The Japanese Shinto religion does not advocate
the murder of those who do not practice Shinto;
nor does it demand that anyone become a
follower of Shinto (who doesn't want to) under
penalty of death. And, like the Japanese,
neither the Italians nor the Germans were
under any religious duty to murder Americans
simply because of who/what they were. In this
sense, they were nothing like Muslims today:
Islam, the Islam that every Muslim MUST
follow under penalty of death, demands that
non-Muslims either be forced to become
Muslims or that they be slaughtered.
YOU WILL NEVER EVER SEE ANY MUSLIM
CONDEMN OR OPPOSE any of the passages
in the Koran demanding Muslims murder non-
Muslims: NEVER. Such a condemnation would
draw an instant/automatic sentence of death
which is the duty of EVERY (other) Muslim
to administer (and that includes that Muslim's
parents and/or children, friends and/or family
members, and/or any/every casual Muslim
at hand).
This is what most non-Muslims do not
understand/appreciate, as they ask why more
Muslims do not condemn "terrorism" ...
Muslims perpetrate against non-Muslims:
What non-Muslims call "terrorism" (against
non-Muslims) the Koran calls the duty of
every Muslim.
The only "terrorism" condemned by Muslim
authorities & others (is the terrorism carried
out against them or that which damages
their standing in the West, or their pockets).
But, again, not ONE Muslim will condemn
the passages in the Koran advocating
Terrorism (of non-Muslims) themselves.
That should tell you all you need to know
about Islam... and your Muslim neighbors.
S D Rodrian
http://gotopoems.com
http://thesolutionisthis.com
http://verseplace.com
http://islamisbad.com
The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:
All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
.
Aardvark
gradually develop greater tolerance
for Muslims as they have for gays?
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/26/islamophobia-and-homophobia/?hp
I answer:
Of course. The instant the Muslim
genocide of non-Muslims goes down
to. oh, around the level of the genocide
being carried out by gays against non-
gays... I don't see why non-Muslims
couldn't find a little more tolerance
for Muslims. We're all humans.
And, while I have never been the victim
of a Muslim attack, more than once have
I been the victim of gay attacks: Just a
month ago a gay guy (I assume he was
gay, although truth be told he didn't come
out & state it for a fact) stopped me in the
street and asked me whether I'd like a blow
job! (I have no idea what attracts gay guys
to me, but I'd sure like to find out so I can
fix it, for God's sake!) I declined his offer.
Now. Of course, the gay genocide of non-
gays pretty much hasn't even gotten
started yet... while the Muslim genocide
of non-Muslims dates back to Mohammed
himself, who started it off (what, going
on 14 or 15 centuries now). So it's gonna
be a might hard for Muslims to let go of
this habit of killing non-Muslims of theirs.
http://islamisbad.com/islamicterrorism.html
But, there's always hope. And pipe dreams.
And, of course, the current strategy of
dodging the Muslim bombs, and keeping
an eye out for their suicide bombers &
whatnot, trying to bring them to court when
they murder us, and just plain learning
to live with grenades being tossed at ya
while you walk back & forth like ducks
at the fairground shooting galleries. I guess
it's the only politically correct thing to do
in our modern civilized world... before it
goes the way of the Roman Empire.
S D Rodrian
http://verseplace.com
The path to Wisdom
always follows that of Truth:
All religions are local.
Only science is universal.
.
BruceS
<snip>
> S D Rodrian
<snip>
I have one simple question for you. Are you (Aardvark) the same
person as SD, aka SD Rodrian?
If the answer to that is "yes", I have the followup "why are you
posting under two nyms in the same thread?"
If the answer to the first is "no", my followup is "then why do you
use the 'S D Rodrian' sig?"
As long as I'm asking simple questions, I have one for the nameless
poster and zookumar. SD (or Aardvark) claims that no Muslim will
condemn the portions of the Koran that advocate killing those who
won't convert to Islam. Will either of *you* two do so? I'm not
claiming that either of you are Muslim, just asking if you'll condemn
the Koran passages that advocate murder.
Aardvark
> On Oct 28, 3:34 pm, Aardvark <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
> <snip>> S DRodrian
>
> <snip>
>
> I have one simple question for you. Are you (Aardvark) the same
> person as SD, aka SDRodrian?
>
> If the answer to that is "yes", I have the followup "why are you
> posting under two nyms in the same thread?"
>
> If the answer to the first is "no", my followup is "then why do you
> use the 'S DRodrian' sig?"
The answer to this eternal riddle
can be found in.... WHOSE signature
is to be found at the end of each post!
The "sig" to which you're referring is
merely a Google identifier. And has
no bearing on the name of the person
posting: Look at who signed the post.
There! Now I've given you the solution
to the Riddle of The Century! Damn! Damn!
Well, enjoy it, at any rate....
SDR
> As long as I'm asking simple questions, I have one for the nameless
> poster and zookumar. SD (or Aardvark) claims that no Muslim will
> condemn the portions of the Koran that advocate killing those who
> won't convert to Islam. Will either of *you* two do so? I'm not
> claiming that either of you are Muslim, just asking if you'll condemn
> the Koran passages that advocate murder.
Here: If this Zook is posting under some anonymous
name, I don't see why he shouldn't do that (if only
to be irritating. But my claim stands: NO MUSLIM
WHO WISHES TO REMAIN A MUSLIM WILL EVER
GO OUT AMONGST OTHER MUSLIMS (IN PUBLIC)
AND CONDEMN ANY PART OF THE KORAN, and no
matter how egregious or preposterous, deplorable
or heinous, nefarious or downright monstrous.
Occidental
> S D Rodrian
http://islamisbad.com
Links to:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm
"Slave-girls as sexual property in the Quran, James M. Arlandson
Would you join a religion that permitted men to have sex with their
slave-girls throughout their enslavement—if this religion codified
this act in its holy book?"
Bible, Numbers 31:
QUOTE
And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto
Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the
children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by
Jordan near Jericho.
And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the
congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains
over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the
battle.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of
Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and
there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves.
END QUOTE
Aardvark
As a Christian I vehemently condemn
all those passages in the Bible. And I have
heard Jews condemn them as well.
It's too bad that Muslims are not yet able
to condemn the egregious passages in
the Koran, isn't it!
Occidental
> > Bible, Numbers 31:
>
> > QUOTE
> > And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto
> > Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
> > woman that hath known man by lying with him.
>
> > But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with
> > him, keep alive for yourselves.
> > END QUOTE
On Nov 1, 10:48 am, Aardvark <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
> As a Christian I vehemently condemn
> all those passages in the Bible. And I have
> heard Jews condemn them as well.
"Condemn" on what basis? Does the Bible contradict itself? What is in
the Bible (OT or NT) that justifies rejecting something else that is
in the Bible? If you reply "nothing, that's just how I feel" then
there is no difference between atheists and believers in the moral
sphere. So what is left of Christianity?
> It's too bad that Muslims are not yet able
> to condemn the egregious passages in
> the Koran, isn't it!
But they cannot, since the Koran is the infallible word of Allah,
transmitted without error to his Last Prophet and Perfect Man,
Mohammad. This is part of the theological core of Islam. How can it be
wrong? What could justify a Muslim in "correcting" it? A "moderate
Muslim" (ie one who claims to embrace a version of Islam shorn of its
depravity) is actually a non-Muslim, whether he recognizes it or not.
Aardvark
> > On Oct 31, 5:08 pm, Occidental <Occiden...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Bible, Numbers 31:
>
>>> QUOTE
>>> And they brought the captives, and the
>>> prey, and the spoil, unto
> snip
>>> Now therefore kill every male among
>>> the little ones, and kill every
>>> woman that hath known man by lying
>>> with him.
>
>>> But all the women children, that have
>>> not known a man by lying with
>>> him, keep alive for yourselves.
>>> END QUOTE
>
> On Nov 1, 10:48 am, Aardvark
>>> <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote:
>
> > As a Christian I vehemently condemn
> > all those passages in the Bible. And I have
> > heard Jews condemn them as well.
>
> "Condemn" on what basis?
On the basis that I am a moral guy
and Moses was an unwashed barbarian.
(Being an Egyptian.)
> Does the Bible contradict itself?
Everywhere! God says You shall not kill
on one page and orders killings galore
on every other page!
> What is in
> the Bible (OT or NT) that justifies
> rejecting something else that is
> in the Bible?
Hello!
> If you reply "nothing, that's just how I feel" then
> there is no difference between atheists and
> believers in the moral
> sphere. So what is left of Christianity?
Forgive thy enemy. (Course, I don't
practice this. I love revenge myself!)
Guess I'm not that different from Moses
after all: Religious monkeys never evolve!
> > It's too bad that Muslims are not yet able
> > to condemn the egregious passages in
> > the Koran, isn't it!
>
> But they cannot, since the Koran is the
> infallible word of Allah,
Now, why would the moon god Allah
use words? The moon hath no air.
> transmitted without error to his Last
> Prophet and Perfect Man,
Who checked this?!?!?
> Mohammad.
Mohammed was a child molester
and unimaginably brutal psychopath.
> This is part of the theological core
> of Islam. How can it be
> wrong?
Easily.
> What could justify a Muslim in "correcting" it?
It's horse puckies.
> A "moderate
> Muslim" (ie one who claims to embrace
> a version of Islam shorn of its
> depravity) is actually a non-Muslim, whether
> he recognizes it or not.
There are NO moderate Muslims.
By definition a moderate Muslim
is one that has been executed
by his fellow Muslims.
We almost agreed there!
BruceS
I once had a shirt with my name on the back and "Aavenging Aardvarks"
on the front. OK, so it was actually someone else's name, but he had
the same name as me, so you couldn't tell. With the above claim of
loving revenge, you've really caught my attention. Could it be that
*you* were on the team? In any case, this post made me laugh several
times.
> > > It's too bad that Muslims are not yet able
> > > to condemn the egregious passages in
> > > the Koran, isn't it!
>
> > But they cannot, since the Koran is the
> > infallible word of Allah,
>
> Now, why would the moon god Allah
> use words? The moon hath no air.
>
> > transmitted without error to his Last
> > Prophet and Perfect Man,
>
> Who checked this?!?!?
>
> > Mohammad.
>
> Mohammed was a child molester
> and unimaginably brutal psychopath.
Your imagination just isn't good enough. Sure he was a brutal psycho
and a child molester, but some of us can imagine just how bad he was.
I bet someone could turn it into a successful movie, if they just
changed his name so his followers didn't murder everyone who had a
part in making it.
> > This is part of the theological core
> > of Islam. How can it be
> > wrong?
>
> Easily.
>
> > What could justify a Muslim in "correcting" it?
>
> It's horse puckies.
>
> > A "moderate
> > Muslim" (ie one who claims to embrace
> > a version of Islam shorn of its
> > depravity) is actually a non-Muslim, whether
> > he recognizes it or not.
>
> There are NO moderate Muslims.
> By definition a moderate Muslim
> is one that has been executed
> by his fellow Muslims.
Or will be. Don't forget that they haven't managed to murder
*everyone* they disagree with. Give them time.
> We almost agreed there!
So the Koran and the Bible are both full of savagery and lies, and
neither should be taken literally. The only people who take either
one literally are lunatics who should be kept away from sharp
objects. Is that about it?
Aardvark
<bruce...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I once had a shirt with my name
> on the back and "Aavenging Aardvarks"
> on the front. OK, so it was actually
> someone else's name, but he had
> the same name as me, so you
> couldn't tell. With the above claim of
> loving revenge, you've really
> caught my attention. Could it be that
> *you* were on the team?
No. I just like to hunt ants.
> In any case, this post made me
> laugh several
> times.
Maybe it was the post, maybe
it was a brain tumor: I'd have it
checked out if I were you.
>>>> It's too bad that Muslims are not yet able
>>>> to condemn the egregious passages in
>>>> the Koran, isn't it!
>
>>> But they cannot, since the Koran is the
>>> infallible word of Allah,
>
>> Now, why would the moon god Allah
>> use words? The moon hath no air.
>
>>> transmitted without error to his Last
>>> Prophet and Perfect Man,
>
>> Who checked this?!?!?
>
>>> Mohammad.
>
>> Mohammed was a child molester
>> and unimaginably brutal psychopath.
>
> Your imagination just isn't good enough.
> Sure he was a brutal psycho
> and a child molester, but some of us
> can imagine just how bad he was.
Imagination doesn't come into it, mate:
This guy was REAL-ly bad.
> I bet someone could turn it into a
> successful movie, if they just
> changed his name so his followers
> didn't murder everyone who had a
> part in making it.
Only if we could get a few idiotic actors
like Will Farrell (an others) to act in it:
That way they could all lose their heads
maybe. And everybody wins.
Yep. The distinction is fundamental,
though: I've seen interviews of priests
and rabbis on TV where they "explain"
that a lot of the Bible is history. Some of
it is "the word of god," yes, but there's
also a lot of middle east mythology in it
(like the story of Adam & Eve" and "Noah
and the flood" etc. You NEVER hear
Muslims admitting that a lot of the Koran
is crap, like that.
Muslims who criticize ANY part of the Koran
for whatever reason are under an instant
and automatic sentence of death. And since
a lot of the Koran involves dehumanizing
non-Muslims, and promotes their murder,
torture, and terrorizing. This is a problem.
A definite problem. Especially for us non-
Muslims, my friend.
Occidental
> I've seen interviews of priests
> and rabbis on TV where they "explain"
> that a lot of the Bible is history.
Or an allegory...or metaphor...or parable...or.... Anything but accept
the truth.
Strange thing is - Christians who believe in the Virgin Birth,
Christ's Miracles, and the Resurrection dismiss or explain away the
depravity of the Bible, even though murder, rape, massacre,
enslavement were commonplace in ancient history.
> Some of
> it is "the word of god," yes, but there's
> also a lot of middle east mythology in it
> (like the story of Adam & Eve" and "Noah
> and the flood" etc. You NEVER hear
> Muslims admitting that a lot of the Koran
> is crap, like that.
...because they can't, as I explained. The Bible, it can be claimed,
was written by fallible mortals trapped in the preconceptions of their
time. The Koran was transmitted directly from Allah to the perfect
human being, so there is no way to make any of it go away. (And no, I
am not a Muslim or a Muslim apologist. What I mean is that, "from the
Muslim POV, The Koran was transmitted directly....")
> Muslims who criticize ANY part of the Koran
> for whatever reason are under an instant
> and automatic sentence of death. And since
> a lot of the Koran involves dehumanizing
> non-Muslims, and promotes their murder,
> torture, and terrorizing. This is a problem.
>
> A definite problem. Especially for us non-
> Muslims, my friend.
It is the number one problem of the age.
Ala
"Aardvark" <a...@sdrodrian.com> wrote in message
news:4709ff48-bcd4-471c...@j25g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 28, 4:56 am, "Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidholi...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> American Muslims today occupy the same
>> role as the Japanese Americans
>> during W.W. II. > David H
>> ~~~~~~
>
> Actually, the Japanese were real/actual victims
> of American racism:
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/01/28/the-end-of-black-history-month.html
The End of Black History Month?
by Raina KelleyJanuary 29, 2010
When did everybody start hating on Black History Month? I have yet to find a
person, black or white or anything else, looking forward to the February
festivities. At one point, when speaking to a well-known black intellectual
about participating in a video NEWSWEEK is putting together, I was stunned
by the vehemence of his refusal. It's not as if I was asking him to march to
Birmingham. But I get it. It seems ghettoizing and patronizing to spend one
month of every year proving that black history is a holistic part of
American history. As Morgan Freeman once famously told Mike Wallace, "You're
going to relegate my history to a month? . Which month is White History
Month? . I don't want a Black History Month. Black history is American
history." Because today the divisions between black and white are not as
cavernous or ugly as they once were. The contributions of famous black
Americans, from Frederick Douglass to Oprah Winfrey, are widely known.
Martin Luther King Jr. has his own federal holiday. The president of the
United States is black. If tens of millions of white people voted for Barack
Hussein Obama, the lesson has been learned, right? As if. Despite the
election of Obama, African-Americans still live in a culture that is
overreliant on stereotype and slow to explore the complexity of racialized
issues such as the ghetto or Haiti. So you can complain about Black History
Month all you want. But there's still work to be done.
When Carter G. Woodson began Negro History Week in 1926, he chose the second
week of February to encompass the birth dates of both Frederick Douglass and
Abraham Lincoln. Its purpose then was to teach some and remind others that
the history of black people in America was not simply the story of
subjugation. Woodson recognized that, shell-shocked from slavery and
demoralized by Jim Crow, black Americans had to build a vision that would
give them the confidence to partake in the fruits of freedom. "We have a
wonderful history behind us," Woodson said. "If you are unable to
demonstrate to the world that you have this record, the world will say to
you, 'You are not worthy to enjoy the blessings of democracy or anything
else.' " But Woodson-himself a historian and only the second
African-American to receive a Ph.D. from Harvard (W.E.B. Du Bois being the
first)-recognized the radicalism inherent in a call to educate and inspire
African-Americans. For, if Negro History Week asked blacks to slough off the
scars of oppression, it also demanded that whites acknowledge their role as
oppressors. Woodson's aim was also to rebut the inaccurate and insulting
stereotyping that then passed for knowledge about African-Americans-such as
the canards that black people aren't as intelligent as other races and are
more prone to criminality and dancing. And sadly, nearly 100 years and a
civil-rights movement later, too many people still believe that.
Instead of using Black History Month to demand that the promise of freedom
inherent in the Constitution be given to all its citizens, our culture has
given in to the impulse to see the month as the commemoration of "a civic
fairy tale," as NEWSWEEK editor Jon Meacham wrote in his book Voices in Our
Blood. "Everything came together in August 1963, when Martin Luther King Jr.
stood on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and conjured his Promised Land .
A moment later, it seems now, the 'White Only' signs came down, the polling
booths opened up, and the Dream was more or less fulfilled." For Black
History Month to once again seem culturally relevant, part of its time must
be spent asking why there are still so many negative portrayals of black
people in our culture-we can't just spend all 28 days talking about the nice
ones. And rather than wasting time bemoaning the existence of Black History
Month, why don't we use it to proselytize for the issues that need to be
more fully covered and understood the other 337 days of the year-such as
failing inner-city public schools, institutionalized poverty, health-care
disparities, and job discrimination?
Ala
"BruceS" <bruc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>Or will be. Don't forget that they haven't managed to murder
>*everyone* they disagree with. Give them time.
Bomb kills 3 US military trainers in NW Pakistan
By SHERIN ZADA and MUNIR AHMAD
Associated Press Writer
SHAHI KOTO, Pakistan (AP) - A roadside bomb killed three U.S. soldiers and
partly destroyed a girls' school in northwest Pakistan on Wednesday in an
attack that drew attention to a little-publicized American military training
mission in the al-Qaida and Taliban heartland.
They were the first known U.S. military fatalities in Pakistan's lawless
tribal regions near the Afghan border and a major victory for militants who
have been hit hard by a surge of U.S. missile strikes and a major Pakistani
army offensive.
The blast also killed three schoolgirls and a Pakistani soldier who was
traveling with the Americans. Two more U.S. soldiers were wounded, along
with more than 70 other people, mostly students at the school, officials
said.
The attack took place in Lower Dir, which like much of the northwest is home
to pockets of militants. The Pakistani army launched a major operation in
Lower Dir and the nearby Swat Valley last year that succeeded in pushing the
insurgents out, but isolated attacks have continued.
The Americans were traveling with Pakistani security officers in a five-car
convoy that was hit by a roadside bomb close to the Koto Girls High School.
The blast flattened much of the school, leaving books, bags and pens strewn
in the rubble.
``What was the fault of these innocent students?'' said Mohammed Dawood, a
resident who helped police dig the injured from the debris.
The soldiers were part of a small contingent of American soldiers training
members of the paramilitary Frontier Corps, Pakistan's army and the U.S.
Embassy said. The mission is trying to strengthen the ill-equipped and
poorly trained outfit's ability to fight militants.
The soldiers were driving to attend the inauguration of a girl's school,
which had been renovated with U.S. humanitarian assistance, the embassy said
in a statement. The school that was flattened in the blast was not the one
where the convoy was heading, though it had been damaged by a militant
attack last year, security officials said.
The blast was detonated by remote control, police said. It hit the vehicle
in which the Americans were traveling along with members of the Frontier
Corps, suggesting the attackers were targeting the Americans, according to
Amjad Ali Shah, a local journalist traveling with the convoy to cover the
school opening.