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Leroy N. Soetoro

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Dec 2, 2011, 3:34:14 AM12/2/11
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The Salvation Army’s annual red kettle fundraising campaign is not getting
a ringing endorsement from gays and lesbians.

Gay-rights groups are urging a boycott of donations to the iconic holiday
bell-ringers, saying the Salvation Army has a history of discriminating
against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people -- a charge the
charity denies.

“As the holidays approach, the Salvation Army bell ringers are out in
front of stores dunning shoppers for donations. If you care about gay
rights, you'll skip their bucket in favor of a charity that doesn't
actively discriminate against the LGBT community,” Bil Browning, editor-
in-chief of The Bilerico Project, a national LGBT blog, wrote in a recent
post titled "Why You Shouldn't Donate to the Salvation Army Bell Ringers."

"While you might think you're helping the hungry and homeless by dropping
a few dollars in the bright red buckets, not everyone can share in the
donations. Many LGBT people are rejected by the evangelical church charity
because they're ‘sexually impure.'”

“We are urging a boycott of the Salvation Army because it uses its
selective interpretation of the Bible to promote discrimination against
LGBT people in employment benefits and leadership positions within the
Army,” Andy Thayer, co-founder, Gay Liberation Network, told msnbc.com in
an email.

"Of all the very many, often bizarre, prohibitions mentioned in Leviticus,
the Army chooses to single out and promote the few prohibitions against
gays, which suggests to us that it is bigotry, not literal Bible belief,
that motivates their actions."

The Salvation Army, a charitable evangelical Christian organization that
provides aid and services to the needy, denies that it discriminates
against anyone.

"Nothing can be further from the truth," Lt. Col. Ralph Bukiewicz,
divisional commander of the Salvation Army Metropolitan Division, told
msnbc.com on Wednesday.

The charitable organization notes that its services are available to all
who qualify, without regard to sexual orientation.

“In our policies, in our practices, in our programs and in our eligibility
for any service within the Salvation Army, there is not a request for any
details concerning sexual orientation,” says Bukiewicz.

Gay-rights advocates contend the organization has a history of lobbying
for “anti-gay” policies and legislation. As an example, Browing says that
in 2004 the Salvation Army threatened to close all their soup kitchens for
the homeless in New York to protest the city's decision to require vendors
and charities doing business with the city to adhere to the state’s civil
rights laws forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation.

Gays and celibacy
On its national website, the Salvation Army says it holds "a positive view
of human sexuality" and does not consider same-sex orientation
"blameworthy in itself.”

The position statement on homosexuality goes on to say: “Scripture forbids
sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army
believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily
or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of
life. There is no scriptural support for same-sex unions as equal to, or
as an alternative to, heterosexual marriage.

“Likewise, there is no scriptural support for demeaning or mistreating
anyone for reason of his or her sexual orientation. The Salvation Army
opposes any such abuse.”

Browning says the Salvation Army has denied services to LGBT people unless
they renounce their sexuality or end their same-sex relationships -- a
charge Bukiewicz denies.

"I've seen the discrimination the Salvation Army preaches first hand,”
Browning wrote. “When a former boyfriend and I were homeless, the
Salvation Army insisted we break up before they'd offer assistance. We
slept on the street instead and declined to break up as they demanded.”

Browning, Thayer and other gay-rights activists are urging people to
ignore the sidewalk and storefront red kettle bell-ringers and instead
redirect their holiday donations to other charities.

Bukiewicz says the campaign by gay-rights groups is based on “erroneous
understanding.” He notes their boycott actions in previous years haven’t
put a crimp in holiday donations.

Last year, Salvation Army raised a record $142 million during its
Christmas appeal campaign, the most noticeable component of which are the
red kettles. That was a 5 percent increase over the previous year.



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Wayne

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"Leroy N. Soetoro" wrote in message
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>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9143097-gay-groups-boycott-
>salvation-army-red-kettle-drive?google_editors_picks=true
>
>The Salvation Army’s annual red kettle fundraising campaign is not getting
>a ringing endorsement from gays and lesbians.
>
>Gay-rights groups are urging a boycott of donations to the iconic holiday
>bell-ringers, saying the Salvation Army has a history of discriminating
>against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people -- a charge the
>charity denies.
>
<snip>
>Last year, Salvation Army raised a record $142 million during its
>Christmas appeal campaign, the most noticeable component of which are the
>red kettles. That was a 5 percent increase over the previous year.
-
When I go in a supermarket and pass a SA red kettle I try to drop in a $20.
With opposition trying to boycott them, I'll drop a $20 in the kettle on the
way out of the supermarket too.

You might have issues with some organizations such as the Red Cross, but it
takes a real dirtbag to oppose the Salvation Army.

Michael Ejercito

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Dec 2, 2011, 1:49:02 PM12/2/11
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On Dec 2, 12:34 am, "Leroy N. Soetoro" <leroysoet...@usurper.org>
wrote:
> Gays and celibacy
> On its national website, the Salvation Army says it holds "a positive view
> of human sexuality" and does not consider same-sex orientation
> "blameworthy in itself.
>
> The position statement on homosexuality goes on to say: Scripture forbids
> sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army
> believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily
> or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of
> life. There is no scriptural support for same-sex unions as equal to, or
> as an alternative to, heterosexual marriage.
>
> Likewise, there is no scriptural support for demeaning or mistreating
> anyone for reason of his or her sexual orientation. The Salvation Army
> opposes any such abuse.
>
> Browning says the Salvation Army has denied services to LGBT people unless
> they renounce their sexuality or end their same-sex relationships -- a
> charge Bukiewicz denies.
That rule also applies to straight people in same-sex
relationships. There is no discrimination there.


Michael

David Johnston

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Dec 2, 2011, 2:00:44 PM12/2/11
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It is just as illegal for a rich man to sleep under a bridge as it is
for a poor man.

Ashton Crusher

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Dec 4, 2011, 12:57:45 AM12/4/11
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:34:14 +0000 (UTC), "Leroy N. Soetoro"
<leroys...@usurper.org> wrote:

>http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/01/9143097-gay-groups-boycott-
>salvation-army-red-kettle-drive?google_editors_picks=true
>
>The Salvation Army’s annual red kettle fundraising campaign is not getting
>a ringing endorsement from gays and lesbians.

I've been boycotting them for years. They are bigoted homophobes.

Mike Cullinan

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Dec 4, 2011, 12:52:42 PM12/4/11
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On Dec 2, 11:45 am, "Wayne" <mygarbage...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Leroy N. Soetoro"  wrote in messagenews:Xns9FAF5CD2C...@202.177.16.121...
Me, too. I'm going to make it a point to kick in some extra dollars
into their kettles this year. Everytime I hear about the gay
supremacists boycotting an establishment or business (Chic Fil A,
Target, etc) I always go the extra mile to be their customer.

Michael Ejercito

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Dec 4, 2011, 4:09:39 PM12/4/11
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Only if he does not own the bridge.


Michael

Truth Exponent

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Mar 14, 2012, 7:37:54 AM3/14/12
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"Ashton Crusher" <de...@moore.net> wrote in message
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You mean Biblical Conscientious Objectors against what Almighty God has
condemned as being very sinful acts.
Remember Sodom & Gomorrah!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/John_Martin_-_Sodom_and_Gomorrah.jpg




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