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Subject: Re: Quiz on plot in Hamlet
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On Apr 6, 11:57=A0pm, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2011-04-06 04:43:40 -0400, spinoza1111 said:
>
> > On Apr 4, 9:47=A0am, John W Kennedy <jwke...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Committing a sin while thinking, =94It=92s OK, I=92ll repent later,=94=
 makes
> >> the original sin worse and, in most cases, makes the repentance
> >> worthless.
>
> > That isn't Catholic theology, just North American Jansenism.
>
> As exemplified by such North American Jansenists as St. Alphonsus Liguori=
?

Let's see, St Alphonsus wasn't a Jansenist. Therefore no North
American Catholics were Jansenists, nor influenced by this 17th
century French heresy? Fallacy of composition?
>
> > The fact is that complementary to "cum vix justus sit
> > securus", even Adolf Hitler would be saved in the unlikely event he
> > made a perfect act of Contrition in the interval between blowing his
> > brains out and actually dying.
>
> Unlikely indeed. =93And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
> it shall be forgiven him: but to him that shall blaspheme against the
> Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven.=94

Most of the Bible makes no sense for the very good reason that it was
written by man. Which means that we can and must pick and choose our
texts carefully. Care to expound what you think this means? If there
were unpardonable offenses this would detract from the power of
Confession. Besides, did Hitler blaspheme against the Holy Ghost?
Maybe you should make a Hitler video on YouTube and have him doing so.

Much of North American Catholicism is way to Protestant for my taste,
but I am not a good Catholic. I miss Michael who tried to speak of
forgiveness and humanity in this newsgroup and fought the real devils
here.
>
> Or, to put it another way:
>
> =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0If I say
> =A0 =A0=93Here is a sword of steel; I give It you
> =A0 =A0On one condition: that you treat it first
> =A0 =A0With the most powerful corrosive known
> =A0 =A0To alchemy=94, what will the sword be like
> =A0 =A0By the time you claim it?
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Dorothy L. Sayers: =93The Devil to Pay=94
> --
> John W Kennedy
> "The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and
> Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes.
> The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being
> corrected."
> =A0 -- G. K. Chesterton