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Elisabeth Riba

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Oct 24, 2005, 11:10:58 AM10/24/05
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The London Times review of Park Honan's new Marlowe book adds an
interesting piece of information to the story of the Corpus Christi
portrait:

According to http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2102-1822217,00.html :

One of the many cruxes of Marlowe biography concerns the supposed
portrait of him, discovered at Corpus Christi College, Cambridge,
in the 1950s. There is no name on the portrait, but Corpus was
Marlowe's own college, and the dating inscription (1585, Aetatis
suae 21) is right for him, and many believe this handsome,
brown-haired young man with the quizzical gaze and snazzy velvet
doublet is indeed Marlowe. Honan provides some fascinating new
material on this puzzle. It seems the painting was not found, as
hitherto reported, in the Master's Lodge at Corpus. In a letter of
May 2000, a former undergraduate, Peter Hall, described how the
panel was discovered in his rooms in 1952, by workmen stripping out
an old gas fire. His rooms stood on the southeast corner of Old
Court -- precisely where the "Parker Scholars", of whom Marlowe was
one, had their quarters. This adds another touch of plausibility to
the identification.

"the panel was discovered ... where the Parker Scholars had their quarters"

If this is true, wow.

But a friend wondered when gas fires were installed, and why the painting
wasn't discovered at that time.
And I checked Riggs, who describes Marlowe's rooms thus:
John Parker renovated a storeroom on the north-western corner of
the college quadrangle to house the students who held the last of
the scholarships that his father had endowed.

Northwest corner of the quadrangle vs. southeast corner of Old Court??

This may be an avenue for further investigation, both for where the room
was located, and the history of work done on that room.

Park Honan will be speaking in London about his new Marlowe book
* 2 Nov 6pm @ Cottlesloe Theatre, http://www.nt-online.org/?lid=14123
* 8 Nov 8pm @ Waterstone's Gower St.
if anybody can attend and wishes to ask.

--
------> Elisabeth Riba * http://www.osmond-riba.org/lis/ <------
"[She] is one of the secret masters of the world: a librarian.
They control information. Don't ever piss one off."
- Spider Robinson, "Callahan Touch"

Art Neuendorffer

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Oct 24, 2005, 4:33:45 PM10/24/05
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Elisabeth Riba wrote:

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Xrob wrote:

> Urry tells us of quite a number of scholarships established by
> Matthew Parker. As I recall, three scholarships were for students
> from Norwich and and five were for students from Canterbury.
> He even mentioned another Parker scholar(by name) who was
> at Corpus Christi at the same time as Marlowe.
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PREFACE to the BISHOP'S BIBLE by Matthew Parker
http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/HERITAGF/Issuenos/chl043.shtml
http://www.gospelcom.net/chi/HERITAGF/Issuenos/chl043p.shtml

PARKER, MATTHEW (1504-75), Archbishop of Canterbury was educated
at Corpus Christi College, Cambridge, where he was elected a Fellow in
1527. Parker identified himself with moderate reformers. Under Henry
VIII and Edward VI he received several preferments, and in the later
reign took advantage of the permission to the clergy to marry. Under
the Catholic Queen Mary he was deprived of his preferments, and
lived in obscurity until 1559, when Elizabeth I chose him to fill
the vacancy for Archbishop of Canterbury. He accepted the post with
much reluctance & was consecrated at Lambeth Palace on 17 December
1559 by four bishops who had held sees in Edward VI's reign.

As archbishop, he took part in the issue of the Thirty-Nine Articles
and of the Bishops' Bible, both intended to hold the "old" line, and
published in 1566 his 'Advertisements' on ritual matters, which
commanded the use of the surplice. Henceforward he had to face
considerable opposition from the Puritan party, which embodied its
aims in the Admonition to Parliament (1572). Parker was a wise and
tolerant, though hardly a forceful, archbishop, preferring scholarship
to controversy. He issued editions of the works of many medieval
chroniclers, among them Matthew of Westminster (1567-70), Matthew
Paris (1571) and Thomas of Walsingham (1574). The most considerable
of his own writings was his De Antiquitate Britannicae Ecclesiae et
Privilegiis Ecclesiae Cantuariensis cum Archiepiscopis eius lxx (1572).
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The original Nosey Parker, Matthew Parker, was born [in Norwich]
on Aug.6 1504. As Archbishop of Canterbury under Elizabeth I,
he supervised the revision of Cranmer's 42 doctrinal articles
to produce the definitive 39 Articles of Religion
which defined the doctrine of the Church of England.
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http://www.gilanet.com/jrservice/biblef.html

A) The Bug Bible, 1551, printed Ps. 91:5,
"Thou shalt not be afraid of bugs by night."

B) The Breeches Bible, 1560, printed Gen. 3:7,
"make themselves breeches."

C) The Placemakers' Bible, 1562, printed Matt. 5:9,
"Blessed are the placemakers."

D) The Treacle Bible, 1568, printed Jer. 8:22,
"Is there no treacle in Gilead?"

E) The Rosin Bible, 1609, printed the same verse,
"Is there no rosin in Gilead?"

F) The Vinegar Bible, 1717, called the parable of
Luke 20:9-16 " the Parable of the Vinegar."

G) The Printers' Bible, 1702, printed Ps. 119:161,
"Printers have persecuted me."

H) The Murderers' Bible, 1801, printed Jude 16,
"These are murderers, complainers."
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_Finnegans Wake_ -- "Bigamy Bob and his old Shanvocht!
The Blackfriars treacle plaster outrage be liddled!"
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Transfiguration(/OLD LAMMAS) Day August 6
"Nosey" Parker [Archb. of Cant.] born Aug.6, 1504
Thomas Trussell commits highway robbery Aug.6, 1585
Armada prevented from Dutch reinforcement Aug.6, 1588
Rutland released from Tower Aug.6, 1601
Anne Hathaway's death Aug.6, 1623
Ben Jonson's death Aug.6, 1637
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UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS
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http://justus.anglican.org/resources/pc/orders/orders1.html

<<The fraudulent Nag's Head Fable was not known until 1604 (about 45
years after the consecration and near 30 years after Parker's death).
The fable was distinctly denied and repudiated in 1616 by the Earl of
Nottingham present at the actual consecration in 1559. Of this public
denial we have a record by the Rev. William Hampton, Rector of Worth:

"In the beginning of King James his reigne there came out a
book UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS with the story of the Nagg?s
head ordination. This book was showed to King James
and upon his reading of it it stratled (sic) him.">>
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<<Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday,
Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself
UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS.
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Art Neuendorffer

Robert Stonehouse

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Oct 25, 2005, 2:32:24 AM10/25/05
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On 24 Oct 2005 13:33:45 -0700, "Art Neuendorffer"
<aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:

>-------------------------------------------------------------------
> UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://justus.anglican.org/resources/pc/orders/orders1.html
>
><<The fraudulent Nag's Head Fable was not known until 1604 (about 45
>years after the consecration and near 30 years after Parker's death).
>The fable was distinctly denied and repudiated in 1616 by the Earl of
>Nottingham present at the actual consecration in 1559. Of this public
>denial we have a record by the Rev. William Hampton, Rector of Worth:
>
> "In the beginning of King James his reigne there came out a
> book UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS with the story of the Nagg?s
> head ordination. This book was showed to King James
> and upon his reading of it it stratled (sic) him.">>
>------------------------------------------------------------------­-
><<Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday,
> Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself
> UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS.
>----------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you! I have wondered for sixty years or more where
A.A. Milne got Sanders from!

But haven't you a quotation from the Wicked Bible?

--
Robert Stonehouse
To mail me, replace invalid with uk. Inconvenience regretted

Art Neuendorffer

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Oct 25, 2005, 6:45:45 AM10/25/05
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> <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> > UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS
> >-------------------------------------------------------------------
> >http://justus.anglican.org/resources/pc/orders/orders1.html
> >
> ><<The fraudulent Nag's Head Fable was not known until 1604 (about 45
> >years after the consecration and near 30 years after Parker's death).
> >The fable was distinctly denied and repudiated in 1616 by the Earl of
> >Nottingham present at the actual consecration in 1559. Of this public
> >denial we have a record by the Rev. William Hampton, Rector of Worth:
> >
> > "In the beginning of King James his reigne there came out a
> > book UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS with the story of the Nagg?s
> > head ordination. This book was showed to King James
> > and upon his reading of it it stratled (sic) him.">>
> >------------------------------------------------------------------­-
> ><<Once upon a time, a very long time ago now, about last Friday,
> > Winnie-the-Pooh lived in a forest all by himself
> > UNDER THE NAME OF SANDERS.
> >----------------------------------------------------------------

Robert Stonehouse wrote:

> Thank you! I have wondered for sixty years or more
> where A.A. Milne got Sanders from!

You are most welcome, Robert.

Robert Stonehouse wrote:

> But haven't you a quotation from the Wicked Bible?

Not really...but I do have the following:
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*under the name of Richard Saunders*;
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_Autobiography_ - Benjamin Franklin

<<In 1732,
I first publish'd my Almanack, *under the name of Richard Saunders*;
it was continu'd by me about twenty-five years,
commonly call'd Poor Richard's Almanac.
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Winnie-The-Pooh

Description: A bear of very little brain.

Alias: Pooh Bear, Winnie-the-Pooh, and Edward Bear.
Known to live "under the name of Sanders."
"It means he had the name (Sanders) over the door
in gold letters, and (Pooh) lived under it."

Honors: Knighted "Sir Pooh de Bear" by Christopher Robin.
Discoverer of the North Pole.

Address: 100 Aker Wood West
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under the name of Sanders (Aker Wood)
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_The Antiquary_ - Sir Walter Scott

<<And, ohon! I wish that and the like o' that
had been the warst o't! Whiles they wad hae heard
the din we were making in the very bowels o' the earth,
when SANDERS AIKWOOD, that was forester in thae days,
the father o' Ringan that now is, was gaun daundering
about the wood at e'en, to see after the Laird's game and
whiles he wad hae seen a glance o' the light frae the door o' the
cave, flaughtering against the hazels on the other bank;---and
then siccan stories as Sanders had about the worricows and
gyre-carlins that haunted about the auld wa's at e'en, and the
lights that he had seen, and the cries that he had heard, when
there was nae mortal e'e open but his ain; and eh! as he wad
thrum them ower and ower to the like o' me ayont the ingle
at e'en, and as I wad gie the auld silly carle grane for grane,
and tale for tale, though I ken'd muckle better about it than
ever he did.>>
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"Good [Mr. MAR-L.O.]," Mr. Saunders replied
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Fox's Book of Martyrs

<<When they had arrived at Coventry, a poor shoemaker, who used to
serve him with shoes, came to him, and said, "O my good master, God
strengthen and comfort you." "Good shoemaker," Mr. Saunders replied, "I
desire thee to pray for me, for I am the most unfit man for this high
office, that ever was appointed to it; but my gracious God and dear
Father is able to make me strong enough." The next day, being the
eighth of February, 1555, he was led to the place of execution, in the
park, without the city. He went in an old gown and a shirt, barefooted,
and oftentimes fell flat on the ground, and prayed. When he was come to
nigh the place, the officer, appointed to see the execution done, said
to Mr. Saunders that he was one of them who *MARred* the queen's realm,
but if he would recant, there was pardon for him. "Not I," replied the
holy *MARtyr*, "but such as you have injured the realm. The blessed
Gospel of Christ is what I hold; that do I believe, that have I taught,
and that will I never revoke!" Mr. Saunders then slowly moved towards
the fire, sank to the earth and prayed; he then rose up, embraced the
stake, and frequently said, "Welcome, thou cross of Christ! welcome
everlasting life!" Fire was then put to the fagots, and, he was
overwhelmed by the dreadful flames, and sweetly slept in the Lord
Jesus.>>
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A.A. Milne
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The DOUBLE AA (_Folio_) headpiece:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~paul/shakespeare/1623Folio/front8.html

The DOUBLE AA (_Venus & Adonis_) headpiece:
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~paul/new.html

The DOUBLE AA (_Faerie Queene_) headpiece.
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PIGLET

Description: A timid pink pig.

Address: Trespassers Will, 100 Aker Wood S.W.,
In a Beech Tree, South of Pooh's House

Next to Piglet's house on a broken board: "Trespassers W".
and it was short for "Trespassers Will",
which was short for "Trespassers William".
(Piglet says this was his grandfather's name)
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Would Piglet lie?

Art Neuendorffer

Art Neuendorffer

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Oct 25, 2005, 12:02:37 PM10/25/05
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Wednesday 9 May 1660 This morning came Mr. Saunderson,
that writ the story of the King, hither, who is going over
to the King. He calls me cozen and seems a very knowing man.
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'Twas on a Wednesday morning the electrician came.
He called me Mr. Sanderson, which isn't quite the name.
He couldn't reach the fuse box without standing on the bin
And his foot went through a window so I called the glazier in.

Oh, it all makes work for the working man to do. - Flanders & Swann
-----------------------------------------------------

Peter Farey

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Oct 26, 2005, 4:59:34 AM10/26/05
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Given that the rooms already had fireplaces and flues (Kuriyama,
p.41) the installation of a gas fire is unlikely to have affected
any nearby wall. It sounds as if the 'stripping out' of the gas
fire was accompanied by rather more renovation work to the fire-
place and flu than just the removal of the gas fire itself.

> And I checked Riggs, who describes Marlowe's rooms thus:
> John Parker renovated a storeroom on the north-western corner of
> the college quadrangle to house the students who held the last of
> the scholarships that his father had endowed.

Kuriyama seems to put the room in the north-western corner too,
based upon her picture of the southern wing (p.42). Other bio-
graphers (e.g. Wraight and Stern, p.57) seemed to think that
the specific location of Marlowe's room was unknown.

> Northwest corner of the quadrangle vs. southeast corner of Old
> Court??

The quadrangle and the Old Court are the same thing. The
southeast corner was where the old Master's Lodge was (see
the photo in Wraight and Stern, p.62), which is where Hoffman
originally said that the portrait had come from.

> This may be an avenue for further investigation, both for where
> the room was located, and the history of work done on that room.
>
> Park Honan will be speaking in London about his new Marlowe book
> * 2 Nov 6pm @ Cottlesloe Theatre, http://www.nt-online.org/?lid=14123
> * 8 Nov 8pm @ Waterstone's Gower St.
> if anybody can attend and wishes to ask.

I'll be going to the first of them. Also to a 'book launch'
reception afterwards to which he has kindly invited me, so
I'll try and grab a word with him then.


Peter F.
pet...@rey.prestel.co.uk
http://www2.prestel.co.uk/rey/index.htm

Elisabeth Riba

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Oct 27, 2005, 1:51:08 PM10/27/05
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Peter Farey <Peter...@prst17z1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Park Honan will be speaking in London about his new Marlowe book
> > * 2 Nov 6pm @ Cottlesloe Theatre, http://www.nt-online.org/?lid=14123
> > * 8 Nov 8pm @ Waterstone's Gower St.
> > if anybody can attend and wishes to ask.

> I'll be going to the first of them. Also to a 'book launch'
> reception afterwards to which he has kindly invited me, so
> I'll try and grab a word with him then.

So I miss the opportunity to meet you as well. :(

Clearly my timing on this trip leaves a little to be desired.
I arrive in London the morning of the 3rd and fly out about 5pm on the
8th, neatly missing both signings along with the opening of Tamburlaine.
As a positive, I may have managed to arrange a viewing of the Rose Theatre site.

Elisabeth Riba

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Nov 9, 2005, 11:52:47 AM11/9/05
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Peter Farey <Peter...@prst17z1.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Elisabeth Riba wrote:
> > This may be an avenue for further investigation, both for where
> > the room was located, and the history of work done on that room.
> >
> > Park Honan will be speaking in London about his new Marlowe book

> I'll be going to the first of them. Also to a 'book launch'


> reception afterwards to which he has kindly invited me, so
> I'll try and grab a word with him then.

Did you find anything further out?
How were the talks?

Peter Farey

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Nov 10, 2005, 12:57:36 AM11/10/05
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Elisabeth Riba wrote:

>
> Peter Farey wrote:
> >
> > Elisabeth Riba wrote:
> > >
> > > This may be an avenue for further investigation, both for where
> > > the room was located, and the history of work done on that room.
> > >
> > > Park Honan will be speaking in London about his new Marlowe book
>
> > I'll be going to the first of them. Also to a 'book launch'
> > reception afterwards to which he has kindly invited me, so
> > I'll try and grab a word with him then.
>
> Did you find anything further out?
> How were the talks?

I posted this while you were away:

As we were discussing earlier, Park Honan has come up with
more evidence supporting the Marlowe identification. The
portrait was apparently found neither in the old or new
Master's Lodge, nor in Marlowe's original room in the north-
west corner of the Old Court. Where it turned up was in a
room at the southern end of the east wing, the wing where
the Parker scholars (as he was) were usually housed.

The wood had been used as a support for a gas-fire which
was installed in an old fireplace, but nail holes in it
suggested that even before that it had been used for some
other unportrait-like use!

I got this from the book itself rather than from him, however,
as in the event I was prevented from attending the launch. He
tells me that upon his arrival he was told by the theatre that
they didn't want a talk after all, but would rather make it an
interview (by Sue McGregor, a well-known broadcaster). This
took place onstage amid the ruins of Damascus, already set
up for that evening's production of "Saul", which also meant
that they were given 45 minutes, and not a moment longer!

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