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Re: Farey challenge gives some life to FoA

2010-01-03T03:01:13Z

That's because it didn't come from me.
Art Neuendorffer

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-03T02:20:30Z

Elizabeth,
"Writers" did not insult Alleyn in print, Robert Greene did, within
days of his death, when he had absolutely nothing to lose. It's like
telling off your boss after you win the lottery -- there was no longer
any need for Greene to hold his tongue.
He said what the other writers would have liked to say, but couldn't,

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-03T02:05:02Z

On Jan 2, 5:33 pm, "bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net" <bobgrum...@nut-n-
Bob,
Your 3 points:
1. The first is meant as comedy. Good one.
2. As for the second, let me recite the following famous line from a
movie, "Say hello to my leeetle friend!" Okay, who just came to your
mind? Oliver Stone right? It must have been Oliver Stone, because he

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-03T01:35:37Z

On Jan 3, 6:33 am, "bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net" <bobgrum...@nut-n-
As you well know, 'Shake" has several interpretations other than the
one you prefer to give to it.
Correction: The authors of 3H6 - or its precursor - were responsible
for the tyger line. Moreover Alleyn played Richard (Duke of York) in

Re: Shakespeare Wasn't the Author of Marlowe's Plays

2010-01-03T01:27:16Z

He just does his God given duty. What are you doing?

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-03T00:35:45Z

On 2 Jan, 20:33, "bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net" <bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net>
wrote:
Bob, you're a proper caution, you are! Nobody can match your wit and
down-to-earth logic!
You did a fine job, as you are with Diana Price.
SB.

Re: Farey challenge gives some life to FoA

2010-01-03T00:31:07Z

Farey challenge gives some life to HLAS?
I find that damned ironic coming from
you, Art.

Taylor & Wells: The Author An Experimenter.

2010-01-03T00:24:13Z

______________________________ __________
I was staring at Farey's list taken from
Elliot and Valenza and was amazed by
the consistency of the incremental
changes from play to play. Only one
play, Antony and Cleopatra, deviates from
the order.
I want to make the point that this is
probably what Wells and Taylor were

Re: Farey thrashes Oxfordians

2010-01-03T00:06:06Z

[...]
A thousand times? According to modern
studies of archived Elizabethan documents,
at least 98% of the male population of England
was illiterate in that era. The researchers
distinguish between reading illiteracy and
"signature literacy." Shaksper apparently
could not read but he could scratch out his

Re: Farey thrashes Oxfordians

2010-01-02T23:59:04Z

On 30 Dec 2009, 11:19, "bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net" <bobgrum...@nut-n-
I formally studied ideological movements including
romantic ideological movements like Oxfordianism.
These movements don't get their "truths" from
actual evidence, the "truth" is what they affirm
to each other.
When these "truths" are challenged, most of

Re: Farey thrashes Oxfordians

2010-01-02T23:29:57Z

That's a powerful argument. The evidence
for Farey's position piles up.

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-02T23:09:08Z

On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 04:03:10 -0800 (PST), Ovid among the
An interesting article, Daryl.
A couple of questions arising from the first few pages:
You write that Greene's "....dislike of Alleyn dates back
to 1590 when he chastised Alleyn..." in Greene's
"Francesco's Fortunes". How certain are we that Alleyn was

Re: Strats Have Got Farey's Back.

2010-01-02T22:30:09Z

On 2 Jan, 06:46, "bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net" <bobgrum...@nut-n-but.net>
wrote:
That's right, Bob. Strat stylometrics are so
exactly consistent from test to test that
they do confirm that one principle author
wrote the plays.
The only thing they do not confirm is the
authorship of any candidate who was deceased

Re: Farey thrashes Oxfordians

2010-01-02T22:03:34Z

OK, 'dramatically' was too strong. But, on
this I support Peter. My point stands that
he is making a stronger case than you ever
did.
Your phrase " . . just happened . ." suggests chance.
So what is the distinct answer that you've
been claiming to make?
God help us. Poets and playwrights around
1600 were fully aware of these differences.

Re: Oxfordian Interpretive Model (Groatsworth of Wit)

2010-01-02T20:33:11Z

3 big reasons the Crow was not Alleyn are:
1. Alleyn's name was not Shakelyn
2. Alleyn was not responsible for the tyger line,
Will Shakespeare was (see the First Folio)
3. Greene, on his death bed was warning his
fellow playwrights to watch out for actors in
general because those actors would dump
them first chance they got. Look, he says,